Re: JB's Hey CDC on Autism Speaks website

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I understand that "TV guy" from Cornell is working on his next theoretical installment:

"Softball autism".

Re: JB's "Hey CDC" on Autism Speaks website

All you have to do is talk to any teacher that has worked for 20 years or more. The fear in their eyes is palpable. They will tell you that something is very very wrong.We had a first grade here a few years back with 12 autistic kids.Before Keely was born I coached High School Varsity Softball for 5 years. After 4 former athletes contacted me because they had an autistic child I went back and pulled out my old score books. I was floored to find in 5 years I had coached a total of 47 Varsity Athletes. 4 kids with autism, make that 5 counting Keely out of 48 people. This is from a town of only 1,000 people. Unless you believe that Softball somehow causes Autism, you have a random group of individuals with 1 in every 9 with a child with Autism. Our groups in Oregon say, every time you find yourself in a room of 20 people, you will find two or three of you with Autism in your direct family. The only people claiming there is not an epidemic are those not living in the real world everyday. Kendra

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Anyone have any insight on the MA number? It is by far the smallest

% increase from the two reported time frames? Just curious.

Sue M.

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> > > I am constantly running into people with ASD kids. Last night

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> > > son and I left a citywide Halloween party (no meltdowns, TG!),

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> > > struck up a conversation with a man on crutches. Their 2-year-

> old

> > > son was toddling away with his back to me in the semidarkness.

> Turns

> > > out he's autistic and thankfully getting services.

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Massachusetts is notorious for having the worse surveillance in the

U.S. I believe there are other data subsequent to 2000 that show a

marked increase. Does anyone know if Massachusetts got their

reporting data from the Harvard Pilgrim (insurance) database?

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> > > > I am constantly running into people with ASD kids. Last

night

> as

> > my

> > > > son and I left a citywide Halloween party (no meltdowns,

TG!),

> > we

> > > > struck up a conversation with a man on crutches. Their 2-

year-

> > old

> > > > son was toddling away with his back to me in the

semidarkness.

> > Turns

> > > > out he's autistic and thankfully getting services.

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> > > Now you can have a huge leap forward in email:

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Holy cow, Lenny! Were you swinging a dead cat? Heidi

From: "Chap 'n Ali" <chapnalli@...>Reply-EOHarm To: <EOHarm >Subject: Re: JB's "Hey CDC" on Autism Speaks websiteDate: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 09:05:52 -0500

What a beautiful story, it brought me to tears. My son also likes to grab onto strangers but he is 6 so occasionally he’s at the perfect height to grab something a little more mortifying. Sometimes I think our kids have a sixth sense for who the good guys are. -

schaferatsprynet <schafersprynet> wrote:

This just happened to us yesterday. On the way home from my son'safter school, we stopped in a gas station in a struggle working classneighborhood in Sacramento to get gas and goodies. In front of us atthe cou! nter was this stereotype figure: a large African American malearound 6' 10", 40ish, with a gruff voice, a jacket with a unionemblame and steel toed shoes. He turns to leave, and my son, 18, whostands just under 6" reaches up and gently touches his face makingbrief eye contact. It's a thing he does with strangers every so oftento my horror. Before the man can react I go into my rescue socialsituation with autism routine. I bark at my son "No, Izak! Don'ttouch" and then hopefully address the man with "he's autistic" beforehe can react. He blinks for a second expressionless, then a big smilecrosses his face. "I have a 4 yr old son with autism, I know! Hello,Izak, can I buy you a snack?" He turns to me and says, since my son, Ilove all kids with autism!" Turns out he has a daughter on thespectrum, too. Without me saying a word, he offers that he "thinksit's the shots they got that messed them up." We exchanged names,shook hands and left the attendant on the other end of the countersmiling. Nope, no epidemic around here, I thought. We're justanecdotal idiot strangers who don't understand better diagnosing.Lenny> I am constantly running into people with ASD kids. Last night as my > son and I left a citywide Halloween party (no meltdowns, TG!), we > struck up a conversation with a man on crutches. Their 2-year-old > son was toddling away with his back to me in the semidarkness. Turns > out he's autistic and thankfully getting services. >

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> Holy cow, Lenny! Were you swinging a dead cat? Heidi

I dunno Heidi, I have never heard that expression before, really. I

don't know what the analogy is, so I can't respond. Does swinging a

dead cat make people cry? I would think the reation would be

repulsion. .

Lenny

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OK, I'm such a word nerd, I had to go google the expression. Here's

what I found:

Cliché: You can't swing a dead cat

Explanation: 1. You can't do something without affecting or running

into something else of the same kind.

Now you comment makes sense!

Lenny

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> > Holy cow, Lenny! Were you swinging a dead cat? Heidi

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> I dunno Heidi, I have never heard that expression before, really. I

> don't know what the analogy is, so I can't respond. Does swinging a

> dead cat make people cry? I would think the reation would be

> repulsion. .

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> Lenny

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Lenny,

Thanks for looking that up. I didn't know what it meant either .

Re: JB's "Hey CDC" on Autism Speaks website

OK, I'm such a word nerd, I had to go google the expression. Here'swhat I found:Cliché: You can't swing a dead catExplanation: 1. You can't do something without affecting or runninginto something else of the same kind.Now you comment makes sense!Lenny>> > > > Holy cow, Lenny! Were you swinging a dead cat? Heidi> > I dunno Heidi, I have never heard that expression before, really. I> don't know what the analogy is, so I can't respond. Does swinging a> dead cat make people cry? I would think the reation would be> repulsion. . > > > Lenny>

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I think that you may find that massachusetts does not have the

enormous increase in percentage for a few reasons. first, Mass is

verrrrrry medically oriented and because of that mass kids were on a

very heavy vaccination program all along. second being a small state

the 92-93 numbers are actually very high so the 99-2000 numbers being

only a little higher 10%, i believe, indicates that mass hospitals

were already experiencing and diagnosing the epidemic before many of

the other states. If you read most of the really decent books out

there about our kids and all the associated topics you will find that

the research data and medical information contained sources out to

Massachusetts general hospital or beth israel deaconess or tufts

university or..... the list goes on and on and on. Massachusetts is

actually a commonwealth and as such has a very socialistic approach

to governing its citizens, the up side is better schools and

insurance etc. the down side is very proactive with vaccinations etc.

not a lot of personal choice or voice.

before my daughter was dxed I moved my family out of Mass mainly

because of the weather and quality of life issues therein derived.

now that I have an as child I debate a move back. Florida has been

reasonably tolerable so far, we have been working with a decent team

at my dd's school and although we have to drive 100 miles to get to

any real specialists, its worth it. If she were any more " needy " in

her presentation, however, I would move back in a minute. take the

financial hit, whatever, I can make more money any time.

(can I get an AMEN)

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I think that you may find that massachusetts does not have the

enormous increase in percentage for a few reasons. first, Mass is

verrrrrry medically oriented and because of that mass kids were on a

very heavy vaccination program all along. second being a small state

the 92-93 numbers are actually very high so the 99-2000 numbers being

only a little higher 10%, i believe, indicates that mass hospitals

were already experiencing and diagnosing the epidemic before many of

the other states. If you read most of the really decent books out

there about our kids and all the associated topics you will find that

the research data and medical information contained sources out to

Massachusetts general hospital or beth israel deaconess or tufts

university or..... the list goes on and on and on. Massachusetts is

actually a commonwealth and as such has a very socialistic approach

to governing its citizens, the up side is better schools and

insurance etc. the down side is very proactive with vaccinations etc.

not a lot of personal choice or voice.

before my daughter was dxed I moved my family out of Mass mainly

because of the weather and quality of life issues therein derived.

now that I have an as child I debate a move back. Florida has been

reasonably tolerable so far, we have been working with a decent team

at my dd's school and although we have to drive 100 miles to get to

any real specialists, its worth it. If she were any more " needy " in

her presentation, however, I would move back in a minute. take the

financial hit, whatever, I can make more money any time.

(can I get an AMEN)

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It doesn't make sense. If they have a very heavy vaccination schedule and good places for diagnosis, I would expect them to have more cases, not less." H. Beaulieu II" <ballou12400@...> wrote: I think that you may find that massachusetts does not have the enormous increase in percentage for a few reasons. first, Mass is verrrrrry medically oriented and because of that mass kids were on a very heavy vaccination program all along. second being a small state the 92-93 numbers are actually very high

so the 99-2000 numbers being only a little higher 10%, i believe, indicates that mass hospitals were already experiencing and diagnosing the epidemic before many of the other states. If you read most of the really decent books out there about our kids and all the associated topics you will find that the research data and medical information contained sources out to Massachusetts general hospital or beth israel deaconess or tufts university or..... the list goes on and on and on. Massachusetts is actually a commonwealth and as such has a very socialistic approach to governing its citizens, the up side is better schools and insurance etc. the down side is very proactive with vaccinations etc. not a lot of personal choice or voice.before my daughter was dxed I moved my family out of Mass mainly because of the weather and quality of life issues therein derived.now that I have an as child I debate a move back. Florida

has been reasonably tolerable so far, we have been working with a decent team at my dd's school and although we have to drive 100 miles to get to any real specialists, its worth it. If she were any more "needy" in her presentation, however, I would move back in a minute. take the financial hit, whatever, I can make more money any time.(can I get an AMEN)

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It doesn't make sense. If they have a very heavy vaccination schedule and good places for diagnosis, I would expect them to have more cases, not less." H. Beaulieu II" <ballou12400@...> wrote: I think that you may find that massachusetts does not have the enormous increase in percentage for a few reasons. first, Mass is verrrrrry medically oriented and because of that mass kids were on a very heavy vaccination program all along. second being a small state the 92-93 numbers are actually very high

so the 99-2000 numbers being only a little higher 10%, i believe, indicates that mass hospitals were already experiencing and diagnosing the epidemic before many of the other states. If you read most of the really decent books out there about our kids and all the associated topics you will find that the research data and medical information contained sources out to Massachusetts general hospital or beth israel deaconess or tufts university or..... the list goes on and on and on. Massachusetts is actually a commonwealth and as such has a very socialistic approach to governing its citizens, the up side is better schools and insurance etc. the down side is very proactive with vaccinations etc. not a lot of personal choice or voice.before my daughter was dxed I moved my family out of Mass mainly because of the weather and quality of life issues therein derived.now that I have an as child I debate a move back. Florida

has been reasonably tolerable so far, we have been working with a decent team at my dd's school and although we have to drive 100 miles to get to any real specialists, its worth it. If she were any more "needy" in her presentation, however, I would move back in a minute. take the financial hit, whatever, I can make more money any time.(can I get an AMEN)

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perhaps i didn't explain myself properly. massachusetts did have a

reasonably high case number but their rate of increase was low because

they were already experiencing the higher diagnostic rates and

occurance rates. their first number was in the 4oo's and remember

they arent a huge state like california. so when all the other states

started to notice the increase in vaccine harmed children mass was

already at the epidemic proportion.

I will try to make an analogy

if you can lift 100 pounds and work and later can lift 500 pounds your

increase is 400%

if i can lift 500 pounds and with work can lift 550 my increase is

only 10% but we are both lifting nearly the same and me a little more

but my rate of increse is smaller because i could already do more.

I hope that makes my statement a little clearer. sorry for the

ambiguity earlier.

If it wasn't ambiguity but that you just disagree, well, that i cant

help its just my opinion having lived in mass for 35 years.

Knowing that when royalty from other countries get really ill they go

to boston.

paul

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perhaps i didn't explain myself properly. massachusetts did have a

reasonably high case number but their rate of increase was low because

they were already experiencing the higher diagnostic rates and

occurance rates. their first number was in the 4oo's and remember

they arent a huge state like california. so when all the other states

started to notice the increase in vaccine harmed children mass was

already at the epidemic proportion.

I will try to make an analogy

if you can lift 100 pounds and work and later can lift 500 pounds your

increase is 400%

if i can lift 500 pounds and with work can lift 550 my increase is

only 10% but we are both lifting nearly the same and me a little more

but my rate of increse is smaller because i could already do more.

I hope that makes my statement a little clearer. sorry for the

ambiguity earlier.

If it wasn't ambiguity but that you just disagree, well, that i cant

help its just my opinion having lived in mass for 35 years.

Knowing that when royalty from other countries get really ill they go

to boston.

paul

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You can't swing a dead cat without hitting an autistic kid (or parent of one)

From: "schaferatsprynet" <schafer@...>Reply-EOHarm To: EOHarm Subject: Re: JB's "Hey CDC" on Autism Speaks websiteDate: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 02:49:35 -0000

> Holy cow, Lenny! Were you swinging a dead cat? HeidiI dunno Heidi, I have never heard that expression before, really. Idon't know what the analogy is, so I can't respond. Does swinging adead cat make people cry? I would think the reation would berepulsion. . Lenny

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on 11/4/06 7:29 AM, elevatordance at elevatordance@... wrote:

You can't swing a dead cat without hitting an autistic kid (or parent of one)

Must we involve poor cats? Can't we say something like " you can't swing a corrupt politician from Texas without hitting a kid with autism " ?

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Too funny

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on 11/4/06 7:29 AM, elevatordance at elevatordancemsn wrote:

You can't swing a dead cat without hitting an autistic kid (or parent of one)

Must we involve poor cats? Can't we say something like "you can't swing a corrupt politician from Texas without hitting a kid with autism" ?

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> You can't swing a dead cat without hitting an autistic kid (or parent of

> one)

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> Must we involve poor cats? Can't we say something like " you can't

swing a

> corrupt politician from Texas without hitting a kid with autism " ?

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Technically, a dead cat is no longer a cat. " Corrupt politician " may

be redundant. Like dead cats, they most seem to have flies, not just

ones outta Texas.

Lenny

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Hey JB,

Found this from last fall when cleaning out my mail.

Still stand by this or do you want to issue a retraction???

schaferatsprynet wrote:

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I WAS DEAD WRONG!!

JB

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Hey ,

Q. How do you hid the autism epidemic from the general public?

A. You first paint their toenails red, then hide the autistic kids in

cherry trees!

Q. Ever seen an autistic kid hiding in a cherry tree?

A. Pretty good hiders, aren't they!?!?!

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> > I am constantly running into people with ASD kids. Last night as

my

> > son and I left a citywide Halloween party (no meltdowns, TG!), we

> > struck up a conversation with a man on crutches. Their 2-year-old

> > son was toddling away with his back to me in the semidarkness.

Turns

> > out he's autistic and thankfully getting services.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> Now you can have a huge leap forward in email:

>

<http://us.rd./evt=40705/*http://mrd.mail./try_beta?

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> ca> get the new .

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