Re: Great Plains Lab/ Dr. Englender in Mass.

September 23, 2006

Dr Englander has been a Dan Dr for many years. I have

heard very mixed things about her. We have never used

her personally but I do know a few who did and wound

up leaving her practice.

We use Dr Hubbuch in Newton MA who is very good. She

has a waitlist into December. She accepts BC/BS

insurance.

You may want to try Dr Comia in CT. she has a shorter

wait list. She has a child with autism and is up on

the newer interventions.

Dr Lynch is in NorthHampton MA but I have heard he is

not to up on the latest interventions. He has a short

wait list also.

Dr kong is in Boston and has an older child with

autism. I think she is a new Dan doctor and have not

heard about anyone using her.

Best wishes!

--- Ed d <eddbree@...> wrote:

> Hi,

> I'm looking to you folks on this list who are in the

> New England area

> for opinions. Great Plains Labs and DAN!

> practitioner Dr. Carol

> Englender are running an Outreach clinic in Mass. in

> several weeks. Has

> anyone had any experience with either- positive or

> negative? Does

> insurance (Tufts) cover any of this stuff? Feel free

> to contact me off-

> list if neccessary. My boys are 4 and 6, on the

> spectrum, and have had

> no testing other than the patronizing and useless

> 'blood test for

> mercury levels' from their conventional

> pediatrician.

>

> thanks in advance

> Ed d

> Whitinsville, MA

>

__________________________________________________

September 23, 2006

Englander/Great Plains.....would not

recommend;

the only ones I would recommend :

1. Pam Ferro, Massachusetts, (Mattapoissett),

Hopewell

Associates...excellent

2. a DAN doctor, also an MD.:.Dr. O’Hara,

CT.........Do a google...excellent,

3. These are usually covered by insurance, but they specialize

in GI so you would want to supplement with DAN type doc)

Dr. Buie, GI specialist, may be closed to

new patients; he may be referring to Dr. Hardy, another GI specialist

at Mass Geenral, who is also good (NOT Hardy)

no one else I would personally recommend......Hubuch

I do not know, but would seriously check out.

IF YOU HAVE A DECENT

DR/SPECIALIST WHICH YOUR INSURANCE COVERS, THEY CAN SIGN OFF ON TESTS

ORDERED BY DAN DOCTORS

e-mail me off line if you want to

discuss specific details and/or medical personnel Suzanne Messina

REAACH

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of Fund

Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006

10:55 AM

EOHarm

Subject: Re: Great Plains

Lab/ Dr. Englender in Mass.

Dr

Englander has been a Dan Dr

for many years. I have

heard very mixed things about her. We have never used

her personally but I do know a few who did and wound

up leaving her practice.

We use Dr Hubbuch in Newton

MA who is very good. She

has a waitlist into December. She accepts BC/BS

insurance.

You may want to try Dr Comia in CT. she has a shorter

wait list. She has a child with autism and is up on

the newer interventions.

Dr Lynch is in NorthHampton MA but I have heard he is

not to up on the latest interventions. He has a short

wait list also.

Dr kong is in Boston

and has an older child with

autism. I think she is a new Dan doctor and have not

heard about anyone using her.

Best wishes!

--- Ed d <eddbree >

wrote:

> Hi,

> I'm looking to you folks on this list who are in the

> New England area

> for opinions. Great Plains Labs and DAN!

> practitioner Dr. Carol

> Englender are running an Outreach clinic in Mass. in

> several weeks. Has

> anyone had any experience with either- positive or

> negative? Does

> insurance (Tufts) cover any of this stuff? Feel free

> to contact me off-

> list if neccessary. My boys are 4 and 6, on the

> spectrum, and have had

> no testing other than the patronizing and useless

> 'blood test for

> mercury levels' from their conventional

> pediatrician.

>

> thanks in advance

> Ed d

> Whitinsville, MA

>

__________________________________________________

September 23, 2006

Ed; See what Andy Cutler has to say:

/

I saw Englander 5 years ago and thought she knew her stuff but she's

very expensive and wouldn't take insurance. It's my opinion that

Cutler is more expert than any doctor and it's free to learn about

chelation from him.

>

> Hi,

> I'm looking to you folks on this list who are in the New England area

> for opinions. Great Plains Labs and DAN! practitioner Dr. Carol

> Englender are running an Outreach clinic in Mass. in several weeks.

Has

> anyone had any experience with either- positive or negative? Does

> insurance (Tufts) cover any of this stuff? Feel free to contact me

off-

> list if neccessary. My boys are 4 and 6, on the spectrum, and have

had

> no testing other than the patronizing and useless 'blood test for

> mercury levels' from their conventional pediatrician.

>

> thanks in advance

> Ed d

> Whitinsville, MA

>

September 23, 2006

This post isn't really fair to Dr. Englander, although that probably

wasn't your intent. We do not see her, however, she has an

excellent reputation for the quality of her care. I've got three

kids to treat and I'm the very first to holler about the impossible

expense of helping our kids. By the way, the exalted Dr. Margaret

Baumann at Mass General's Ladders Program no longer accepts

insurance either. I got that straight from the Ladders' program

itself last Spring.

Few of the DAN! docs are able to accept insurance due to the

constraints of the insurance industry, not greed or anything about

the doc him or herself. I've grumbled to myself and to others about

this disparity myself. But it's part of the reality of autism being

an " orphan " psych diagnosis in the coding system.

A DAN! doc visit typically runs 2 - 4 hours. Pediatricians bill in

15 minute appointment increments and get reimbursement by the number

of patients they see per day. It adds up -- 16 payments in 4 hours

versus a DAN! who might get 1 payment. And don't forget, the DANS!

get no income from vaccinations -- a huge dent in their revenue as

physicians.

Plus there's the staffing required to manage insurance. Most DANS!

will code your paperwork perfectly for you so that can submit as an

out of network provider.

It's the insurance system that's broken, not the docs. Although

when you write those checks out (or put the charges on a credit

card) it's easy to say " that DAMN DAN! "

Yours in health,

Kim Stagliano

> >

> > Hi,

> > I'm looking to you folks on this list who are in the New England

area

> > for opinions. Great Plains Labs and DAN! practitioner Dr. Carol

> > Englender are running an Outreach clinic in Mass. in several

weeks.

> Has

> > anyone had any experience with either- positive or negative?

Does

> > insurance (Tufts) cover any of this stuff? Feel free to contact

me

> off-

> > list if neccessary. My boys are 4 and 6, on the spectrum, and

have

> had

> > no testing other than the patronizing and useless 'blood test

for

> > mercury levels' from their conventional pediatrician.

> >

> > thanks in advance

> > Ed d

> > Whitinsville, MA

> >

>

September 23, 2006

Parents should do their

homework and look for people who have actually used these doctors to get the

best feedback.

Equally important, one would want to research,

and google, the activities of these doctors, the events they may be engaged in,

the quality and standards of those events,

and the assurance of very specific feedback on those events, especially when money

is involved.

Expenses are high for DAN docs

many of the reasons lists by Kim; that is almost a given. What is not equal

across the board

is the delivery method and the ease of

understanding and implementation of diagnosis/protocol by parents, among other

things.

It is a given that one may be

able to find an excellent DAN doctor, but may have to travel a bit for that.

Well worth it, and this I don know from

personal experience, which is again why I recommend Pam Ferro, Hopewell

Associates, Mattapoisett, MA; AND Dr. O’Hara, CT. (DO A

GOOGLE, SHE HAS A SITE)

Suzanne Messina REAACH

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of krstagliano

Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006

12:56 PM

EOHarm

Subject: Re: Great Plains

Lab/ Dr. Englender in Mass.

This post isn't really fair to Dr. Englander, although

that probably

wasn't your intent. We do not see her, however, she has an

excellent reputation for the quality of her care. I've got three

kids to treat and I'm the very first to holler about the impossible

expense of helping our kids. By the way, the exalted Dr. Margaret

Baumann at Mass General's Ladders Program no longer accepts

insurance either. I got that straight from the Ladders' program

itself last Spring.

Few of the DAN! docs are able to accept insurance due to the

constraints of the insurance industry, not greed or anything about

the doc him or herself. I've grumbled to myself and to others about

this disparity myself. But it's part of the reality of autism being

an " orphan " psych diagnosis in the coding system.

A DAN! doc visit typically runs 2 - 4 hours. Pediatricians bill in

15 minute appointment increments and get reimbursement by the number

of patients they see per day. It adds up -- 16 payments in 4 hours

versus a DAN! who might get 1 payment. And don't forget, the DANS!

get no income from vaccinations -- a huge dent in their revenue as

physicians.

Plus there's the staffing required to manage insurance. Most DANS!

will code your paperwork perfectly for you so that can submit as an

out of network provider.

It's the insurance system that's broken, not the docs. Although

when you write those checks out (or put the charges on a credit

card) it's easy to say " that DAMN DAN! "

Yours in health,

Kim Stagliano

> >

> > Hi,

> > I'm looking to you folks on this list who are in the New England

area

> > for opinions. Great Plains Labs and

DAN! practitioner Dr. Carol

> > Englender are running an Outreach clinic in Mass. in several

weeks.

> Has

> > anyone had any experience with either- positive or negative?

Does

> > insurance (Tufts) cover any of this stuff? Feel free to contact

me

> off-

> > list if neccessary. My boys are 4 and 6, on the spectrum, and

have

> had

> > no testing other than the patronizing and useless 'blood test

for

> > mercury levels' from their conventional pediatrician.

> >

> > thanks in advance

> > Ed d

> > Whitinsville, MA

> >

>

September 23, 2006

Parents should do their

homework and look for people who have actually used these doctors to get the

best feedback.

Equally important, one would want to research,

and google, the activities of these doctors, the events they may be engaged in,

the quality and standards of those events,

and the assurance of very specific feedback on those events, especially when money

is involved.

Expenses are high for DAN docs

many of the reasons lists by Kim; that is almost a given. What is not equal

across the board

is the delivery method and the ease of

understanding and implementation of diagnosis/protocol by parents, among other

things.

It is a given that one may be

able to find an excellent DAN doctor, but may have to travel a bit for that.

Well worth it, and this I don know from

personal experience, which is again why I recommend Pam Ferro, Hopewell

Associates, Mattapoisett, MA; AND Dr. O’Hara, CT. (DO A

GOOGLE, SHE HAS A SITE)

Suzanne Messina REAACH

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of krstagliano

Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006

12:56 PM

EOHarm

Subject: Re: Great Plains

Lab/ Dr. Englender in Mass.

This post isn't really fair to Dr. Englander, although

that probably

wasn't your intent. We do not see her, however, she has an

excellent reputation for the quality of her care. I've got three

kids to treat and I'm the very first to holler about the impossible

expense of helping our kids. By the way, the exalted Dr. Margaret

Baumann at Mass General's Ladders Program no longer accepts

insurance either. I got that straight from the Ladders' program

itself last Spring.

Few of the DAN! docs are able to accept insurance due to the

constraints of the insurance industry, not greed or anything about

the doc him or herself. I've grumbled to myself and to others about

this disparity myself. But it's part of the reality of autism being

an " orphan " psych diagnosis in the coding system.

A DAN! doc visit typically runs 2 - 4 hours. Pediatricians bill in

15 minute appointment increments and get reimbursement by the number

of patients they see per day. It adds up -- 16 payments in 4 hours

versus a DAN! who might get 1 payment. And don't forget, the DANS!

get no income from vaccinations -- a huge dent in their revenue as

physicians.

Plus there's the staffing required to manage insurance. Most DANS!

will code your paperwork perfectly for you so that can submit as an

out of network provider.

It's the insurance system that's broken, not the docs. Although

when you write those checks out (or put the charges on a credit

card) it's easy to say " that DAMN DAN! "

Yours in health,

Kim Stagliano

> >

> > Hi,

> > I'm looking to you folks on this list who are in the New England

area

> > for opinions. Great Plains Labs and

DAN! practitioner Dr. Carol

> > Englender are running an Outreach clinic in Mass. in several

weeks.

> Has

> > anyone had any experience with either- positive or negative?

Does

> > insurance (Tufts) cover any of this stuff? Feel free to contact

me

> off-

> > list if neccessary. My boys are 4 and 6, on the spectrum, and

have

> had

> > no testing other than the patronizing and useless 'blood test

for

> > mercury levels' from their conventional pediatrician.

> >

> > thanks in advance

> > Ed d

> > Whitinsville, MA

> >

>

September 23, 2006

I'll be more specific. Englander charged me $325 for a one hour

appointment and $75 for 3 bottles of supplements. One of the pills

was so large, I would not have tried to swallow it myself. No chance

my son could choke it down. If she saw 8 patients per day, that's

$2,600 per day, $13,000 per week, $52,000+ per month. Let's not try

to justify that unless she can play left field and hit home runs.

My son is progressing very well and I have not paid Andy Cutler a

dime. Like I said, I think Englander knows what she's doing. Andy

also knows what he's doing. Why pay outrageous doctor bills when you

can learn it yourself for free? Oh yeah, Englander charged for phone

calls too, a certain amount for every 15 minutes.

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > > I'm looking to you folks on this list who are in the New

England

> area

> > > for opinions. Great Plains Labs and DAN! practitioner Dr. Carol

> > > Englender are running an Outreach clinic in Mass. in several

> weeks.

> > Has

> > > anyone had any experience with either- positive or negative?

> Does

> > > insurance (Tufts) cover any of this stuff? Feel free to contact

> me

> > off-

> > > list if neccessary. My boys are 4 and 6, on the spectrum, and

> have

> > had

> > > no testing other than the patronizing and useless 'blood test

> for

> > > mercury levels' from their conventional pediatrician.

> > >

> > > thanks in advance

> > > Ed d

> > > Whitinsville, MA

> > >

> >

>

September 23, 2006

It’s more Dr. Englander’s

personality that some people have a problem with. We go to her and my

husband and I like her very much. She has 20+ years experience with

chelation. It is important for every parent to do their own homework in

regards to treating their children with Autism because other parents sometimes

have suggestions that DANs may not agree with. Dr. E. partners with us

very well even though I may not agree with everything she says. She has

taken appropriate tests, been cautious when necessary, been aggressive when

necessary, etc. But I was not looking for someone warm and fuzzy.

If you are she’s not the one for you, she tough and says it like it

is. That’s what I was looking for. -

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of suzanne messina

Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006

11:27 AM

EOHarm

Subject: RE: Great Plains

Lab/ Dr. Englender in Mass.

Englander/Great Plains.....would not recommend;

the only ones I would recommend : 1. Pam Ferro, Massachusetts, (Mattapoissett), Hopewell

Associates...excellent

2. a DAN doctor, also an MD.:.Dr. O’Hara,

CT.........Do a google...excellent,

3. These are usually covered by insurance, but they

specialize in GI so you would want to supplement with DAN type doc)

Dr. Buie, GI specialist, may be closed to new patients; he may be

referring to Dr. Hardy, another GI specialist at Mass Geenral, who is

also good (NOT Hardy)

no one else I would personally recommend......Hubuch I

do not know, but would seriously check out.

IF YOU HAVE A DECENT DR/SPECIALIST WHICH YOUR INSURANCE

COVERS, THEY CAN SIGN OFF ON TESTS ORDERED BY DAN DOCTORS

e-mail me off line if you want to discuss specific details

and/or medical personnel Suzanne Messina REAACH

From: EOHarm

[mailto:EOHarm ]

On Behalf Of Fund

Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006

10:55 AM

EOHarm

Subject: Re: Great Plains

Lab/ Dr. Englender in Mass.

Dr

Englander has been a Dan

Dr for many years. I have

heard very mixed things about her. We have never used

her personally but I do know a few who did and wound

up leaving her practice.

We use Dr Hubbuch in Newton

MA who is very

good. She

has a waitlist into December. She accepts BC/BS

insurance.

You may want to try Dr Comia in CT. she has a shorter

wait list. She has a child with autism and is up on

the newer interventions.

Dr Lynch is in NorthHampton MA but I have heard he is

not to up on the latest interventions. He has a short

wait list also.

Dr kong is in Boston

and has an older child with

autism. I think she is a new Dan doctor and have not

heard about anyone using her.

Best wishes!

--- Ed d <eddbree >

wrote:

> Hi,

> I'm looking to you folks on this list who are in the

> New England area

> for opinions. Great Plains

Labs and DAN!

> practitioner Dr. Carol

> Englender are running an Outreach clinic in Mass. in

> several weeks. Has

> anyone had any experience with either- positive or

> negative? Does

> insurance (Tufts) cover any of this stuff? Feel free

> to contact me off-

> list if neccessary. My boys are 4 and 6, on the

> spectrum, and have had

> no testing other than the patronizing and useless

> 'blood test for

> mercury levels' from their conventional

> pediatrician.

>

> thanks in advance

> Ed d

> Whitinsville,

MA

>

__________________________________________________

September 23, 2006