Re: NY Times Editorial - 10/12/06

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From the President of the Satanic Society?

34 actually got ill, 3 were hospitalized, one with serious complications.

So, you're saying nobody became autistic?

Sounds like success to me!

NY Times Editorial - 10/12/06

NY Times 10/12/06EditorialFoolish Vaccine Exemptions States that make it easy for parents to opt out of vaccinating their children are suffering increased disease rates as a consequence, according to an article published yesterday in The Journal of the American Medical Association. The findings should be a warning to all parents and state officials who think they can let their guards down on immunizations that are needed to protect both the children and the communities in which they live.We saw what happened in Indiana last year when measles broke out among children who had been schooled at home and thus avoided the compulsory shots required of those who attend public schools. At least 34 people became ill, of whom three were hospitalized, one with life-threatening complications. Their families had succumbed to fears that the vaccine was dangerous, forgetting that the disease itself was the real danger.Now the new article by researchers at s Hopkins University, the University of Florida and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has taken a broad look at the rates of whooping cough in the 48 states that allow people to be exempted from required shots for various nonmedical reasons. All 48 of the states allow exemptions based on religious objections, but 19 of them also allow exemptions based on philosophical or other personal beliefs. Some states make it easy for parents to claim an exemption by simply signing a prewritten statement on the school immunization form. Others make it harder by requiring a signature from a local health official, a personally written letter, notarization or annual renewal.Sadly, states that readily grant exemptions or allow personal belief exemptions have about 50 percent higher rates of whooping cough, or pertussis, compared with stricter states, after adjusting for demographics. This is disturbing given that pertussis, which can cause severe illness and death in young children, has been on the rise in recent decades.The pendulum has swung too far toward letting parents opt out. States need to work harder at educating parents about the value of vaccination and should get tougher in granting exemptions.

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NY Times Editorial - 10/12/06

NY Times 10/12/06EditorialFoolish Vaccine Exemptions States that make it easy for parents to opt out of vaccinating their children are suffering increased disease rates as a consequence, according to an article published yesterday in The Journal of the American Medical Association. The findings should be a warning to all parents and state officials who think they can let their guards down on immunizations that are needed to protect both the children and the communities in which they live.We saw what happened in Indiana last year when measles broke out among children who had been schooled at home and thus avoided the compulsory shots required of those who attend public schools. At least 34 people became ill, of whom three were hospitalized, one with life-threatening complications. Their families had succumbed to fears that the vaccine was dangerous, forgetting that the disease itself was the real danger.Now the new article by researchers at s Hopkins University, the University of Florida and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has taken a broad look at the rates of whooping cough in the 48 states that allow people to be exempted from required shots for various nonmedical reasons. All 48 of the states allow exemptions based on religious objections, but 19 of them also allow exemptions based on philosophical or other personal beliefs. Some states make it easy for parents to claim an exemption by simply signing a prewritten statement on the school immunization form. Others make it harder by requiring a signature from a local health official, a personally written letter, notarization or annual renewal.Sadly, states that readily grant exemptions or allow personal belief exemptions have about 50 percent higher rates of whooping cough, or pertussis, compared with stricter states, after adjusting for demographics. This is disturbing given that pertussis, which can cause severe illness and death in young children, has been on the rise in recent decades.The pendulum has swung too far toward letting parents opt out. States need to work harder at educating parents about the value of vaccination and should get tougher in granting exemptions.

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Fuck the New York Times.dpowell605 <POWDER914@...> wrote: NY Times 10/12/06EditorialFoolish Vaccine Exemptions States that make it easy for parents to opt out of vaccinating their children are suffering increased disease rates as a consequence, according to an article published yesterday in The Journal of the American Medical Association. The findings should be a warning to all parents and state officials who think they can let their guards down on immunizations that are needed to protect

both the children and the communities in which they live.We saw what happened in Indiana last year when measles broke out among children who had been schooled at home and thus avoided the compulsory shots required of those who attend public schools. At least 34 people became ill, of whom three were hospitalized, one with life-threatening complications. Their families had succumbed to fears that the vaccine was dangerous, forgetting that the disease itself was the real danger.Now the new article by researchers at s Hopkins University, the University of Florida and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has taken a broad look at the rates of whooping cough in the 48 states that allow people to be exempted from required shots for various nonmedical reasons. All 48 of the states allow exemptions based on religious objections, but 19 of them also allow exemptions based on philosophical or other

personal beliefs. Some states make it easy for parents to claim an exemption by simply signing a prewritten statement on the school immunization form. Others make it harder by requiring a signature from a local health official, a personally written letter, notarization or annual renewal.Sadly, states that readily grant exemptions or allow personal belief exemptions have about 50 percent higher rates of whooping cough, or pertussis, compared with stricter states, after adjusting for demographics. This is disturbing given that pertussis, which can cause severe illness and death in young children, has been on the rise in recent decades.The pendulum has swung too far toward letting parents opt out. States need to work harder at educating parents about the value of vaccination and should get tougher in granting exemptions.

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I am so sorry that wasn't supposed to go to the group, but to someone I know in New York. really sorryMaurine Meleck <maurine_meleck@...> wrote: Fuck the New York Times.dpowell605 <POWDER914aol> wrote: NY Times 10/12/06EditorialFoolish Vaccine Exemptions States that make it easy for parents to opt out of vaccinating their children are suffering

increased disease rates as a consequence, according to an article published yesterday in The Journal of the American Medical Association. The findings should be a warning to all parents and state officials who think they can let their guards down on immunizations that are needed to protect both the children and the communities in which they live.We saw what happened in Indiana last year when measles broke out among children who had been schooled at home and thus avoided the compulsory shots required of those who attend public schools. At least 34 people became ill, of whom three were hospitalized, one with life-threatening complications. Their families had succumbed to fears that the vaccine was dangerous, forgetting that the disease itself was the real danger.Now the new article by researchers at s Hopkins University, the University of Florida and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has

taken a broad look at the rates of whooping cough in the 48 states that allow people to be exempted from required shots for various nonmedical reasons. All 48 of the states allow exemptions based on religious objections, but 19 of them also allow exemptions based on philosophical or other personal beliefs. Some states make it easy for parents to claim an exemption by simply signing a prewritten statement on the school immunization form. Others make it harder by requiring a signature from a local health official, a personally written letter, notarization or annual renewal.Sadly, states that readily grant exemptions or allow personal belief exemptions have about 50 percent higher rates of whooping cough, or pertussis, compared with stricter states, after adjusting for demographics. This is disturbing given that pertussis, which can cause severe illness and death in young children, has been on the rise in recent

decades.The pendulum has swung too far toward letting parents opt out. States need to work harder at educating parents about the value of vaccination and should get tougher in granting exemptions. All-new - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. __________________________________________________

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Pass. The ink is toxic and there's the risk of paper cuts.

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NY Times 10/12/06

> Editorial

> Foolish Vaccine Exemptions

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The NY Times has shown itself to have many agendas, one of which is promoting mandatory vaccination, without regard to downside effects. Their reporting has reflected this extreme bias, as does their editorial page. Consistent with same, it's perhaps not a surprise that our two most recent Democrat Presidents, and Clinton, were the strongest pro-mandatory vaccine presidents in recent memory and their respective first ladies had a considerably active hand in promoting the mess we now find ourselves in.

The Times, perceiving the risk to universal healthcare and various government programs from the debacle created by the government's mandatory vaccine program, the trainwreck that is the result of that program and the ensuing backlash which is only just getting started, tries to muffle same. The Times is manipulating its Upper West Side Liberal base in anticipation of '08, especially to muffle any criticism should Hillary get the nod.

It's not surprising, it's just more of the same. But they're telegraphing the fact that they consider this issue to be of paramount importance. That is a good thing for this issue. Let the debate begin.

Hopefully this will foster a very interesting and heated debate within the Democrat party, if that debate is not already going on at high levels (from Maloney, Stabenow, Lieberman, and whoever Imus has whipped into a frenzy). The Times simply weighs in here. But just like in the case of the Wall Street Journal, there is probably considerable disagreement among the editorial staff as to how to handle this. The Nuremberg code violators on the Times editorial staff appear to have the upper hand for the moment.

The Republicans are actually much better positioned philosphically to exploit the autism debacle because at least a large wing of the party trends toward philosophical small government liberterianism (if not practical libertarianism- you see, they like those government controls on competition and no bid contracts). Also, strong Republican ties to the pharmaceutical industry and their requirement for limited liability works against their abilitiy to exploit this issue. And of course, the Bush administration and family have extremely strong ties to Lilly, which put this entire cycle in motion. Consequently, Joe Barton, a Republican, won't allow the CAA out of committee to be voted on. The fix is in.

So the Times recognizes the strength of this issue and the growing backlash to the government's mandatory vaccine program. They posit the utilitarian construct (the greater good) to deflect the growing backlash, despite the clear contradiction with various provisions of the Nuremberg code and its relationship to medical experimentation. They see a huge problem. Funny thing, so do we.

How ironic is it that they would find themselves on the very same side of the issue as the Bush administration, but for completely different reasons.

Re: NY Times Editorial - 10/12/06

Fuck the New York Times.dpowell605 <POWDER914aol> wrote:

NY Times 10/12/06EditorialFoolish Vaccine Exemptions States that make it easy for parents to opt out of vaccinating their children are suffering increased disease rates as a consequence, according to an article published yesterday in The Journal of the American Medical Association. The findings should be a warning to all parents and state officials who think they can let their guards down on immunizations that are needed to protect both the children and the communities in which they live.We saw what happened in Indiana last year when measles broke out among children who had been schooled at home and thus avoided the compulsory shots required of those who attend public schools. At least 34 people became ill, of whom three were hospitalized, one with life-threatening complications. Their families had succumbed to fears that the vaccine was dangerous, forgetting that the disease itself was the real danger.Now the new article by researchers at s Hopkins University, the University of Florida and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has taken a broad look at the rates of whooping cough in the 48 states that allow people to be exempted from required shots for various nonmedical reasons. All 48 of the states allow exemptions based on religious objections, but 19 of them also allow exemptions based on philosophical or other personal beliefs. Some states make it easy for parents to claim an exemption by simply signing a prewritten statement on the school immunization form. Others make it harder by requiring a signature from a local health official, a personally written letter, notarization or annual renewal.Sadly, states that readily grant exemptions or allow personal belief exemptions have about 50 percent higher rates of whooping cough, or pertussis, compared with stricter states, after adjusting for demographics. This is disturbing given that pertussis, which can cause severe illness and death in young children, has been on the rise in recent decades.The pendulum has swung too far toward letting parents opt out. States need to work harder at educating parents about the value of vaccination and should get tougher in granting exemptions.

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Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:01 pm (PST)

Fuck the New York Times.dpowell605 <POWDER914aol> wrote: NY Times 10/12/06EditorialFoolish Vaccine Exemptions States that make it easy for parents to opt out of vaccinating their children are suffering increased disease rates as a consequence, according to an article published yesterday in The Journal of the American Medical Association. The findings should be a warning to all parents and state officials who think they can let their guards down on immunizations that are needed to protect both the children and the communities in which they live.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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The NYT hates our children.

Either that, or to paraphrase Imus, they are on someone's payroll. I

don't suppose they have a lot of pharma ads?

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Ditto.

From: Maurine Meleck <maurine_meleck@...>Reply-EOHarm To: EOHarm Subject: Re: NY Times Editorial - 10/12/06Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:56:17 -0700 (PDT)

Fuck the New York Times.dpowell605 <POWDER914aol> wrote:

NY Times 10/12/06EditorialFoolish Vaccine Exemptions States that make it easy for parents to opt out of vaccinating their children are suffering increased disease rates as a consequence, according to an article published yesterday in The Journal of the American Medical Association. The findings should be a warning to all parents and state officials who think they can let their guards down on immunizations that are needed to protect both the children and the communities in which they live.We saw what happened in Indiana last year when measles broke out among children who had been schooled at home and thus avoided the compulsory shots required of those who attend public schools. At least 34 people became ill, of whom three were hospitalized, one with life-threatening complications. Their families had succumbed to fears that the vaccine was dangerous, forgetting that the disease itself was the real danger.Now the new article by researchers at s Hopkins University, the University of Florida and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has taken a broad look at the rates of whooping cough in the 48 states that allow people to be exempted from required shots for various nonmedical reasons. All 48 of the states allow exemptions based on religious objections, but 19 of them also allow exemptions based on philosophical or other personal beliefs. Some states make it easy for parents to claim an exemption by simply signing a prewritten statement on the school immunization form. Others make it harder by requiring a signature from a local health official, a personally written letter, notarization or annual renewal.Sadly, states that readily grant exemptions or allow personal belief exemptions have about 50 percent higher rates of whooping cough, or pertussis, compared with stricter states, after adjusting for demographics. This is disturbing given that pertussis, which can cause severe illness and death in young children, has been on the rise in recent decades.The pendulum has swung too far toward letting parents opt out. States need to work harder at educating parents about the value of vaccination and should get tougher in granting exemptions.

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Ditto.

From: Maurine Meleck <maurine_meleck@...>Reply-EOHarm To: EOHarm Subject: Re: NY Times Editorial - 10/12/06Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:56:17 -0700 (PDT)

Fuck the New York Times.dpowell605 <POWDER914aol> wrote:

NY Times 10/12/06EditorialFoolish Vaccine Exemptions States that make it easy for parents to opt out of vaccinating their children are suffering increased disease rates as a consequence, according to an article published yesterday in The Journal of the American Medical Association. The findings should be a warning to all parents and state officials who think they can let their guards down on immunizations that are needed to protect both the children and the communities in which they live.We saw what happened in Indiana last year when measles broke out among children who had been schooled at home and thus avoided the compulsory shots required of those who attend public schools. At least 34 people became ill, of whom three were hospitalized, one with life-threatening complications. Their families had succumbed to fears that the vaccine was dangerous, forgetting that the disease itself was the real danger.Now the new article by researchers at s Hopkins University, the University of Florida and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has taken a broad look at the rates of whooping cough in the 48 states that allow people to be exempted from required shots for various nonmedical reasons. All 48 of the states allow exemptions based on religious objections, but 19 of them also allow exemptions based on philosophical or other personal beliefs. Some states make it easy for parents to claim an exemption by simply signing a prewritten statement on the school immunization form. Others make it harder by requiring a signature from a local health official, a personally written letter, notarization or annual renewal.Sadly, states that readily grant exemptions or allow personal belief exemptions have about 50 percent higher rates of whooping cough, or pertussis, compared with stricter states, after adjusting for demographics. This is disturbing given that pertussis, which can cause severe illness and death in young children, has been on the rise in recent decades.The pendulum has swung too far toward letting parents opt out. States need to work harder at educating parents about the value of vaccination and should get tougher in granting exemptions.

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