Re: Holly; Picket an ASA conference???

[Guest guest]

In the 1960's when we disagreed with the war in Vietnam we didn't phone and write our legislators and wait for a miracle to happen, we rallied in DC 100,000 strong, had sit ins, closed down universities, burned draft cards, cheered Bobby Dylan. Compared to that-what's 150 people standing in front of the CDC building for 3 hours with posters????Vera <sircarlito@...> wrote: Hi I don't know if it is a good idea in the long run, but it sure gave me my first chuckle in days! It would be fun to stand outside an ASA conference and hand out the thimerasol MSDS with a copy of Deadly Immunity to all who attend. VeraHolly Bortfeld <maximom@...> wrote: I agree, because we let them. Because these pseudo-advocacy orgs allow it, because they attend CDC press conferences and even their presence is an endorsement of all the lies spewed. When was the last time we picketed an ASA conference? An AutismSpeaks/NAAR event? Until and unless all the groups stand together, we’ll never get federal funding. The way to fix it? Shut down or take over the

groups who stand in the way of real research. Teach the new parents how to research for themselves and make up their own minds, teach them how to deal with legislators, teach them that a little frickin’ anarchy is good for the soul. it’s time to choose sides. It’s time to kick a little ass. From: EOHarm

[mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of BarrySent: Friday, July 07, 2006 10:53 PMEOHarm Subject: Re: ASA Expresses Support to HELP Committee (CAA Bill) IMO, the Senate HELP committee will strike the vaccine language fromCAA all by themselves, without help from any autism advocacyorganizations. >> The ASA broke ranks because...> > "Moms Against Mercury is asking each organization represented on this > email to fully disclose all contributions of any type, source, or > nature from the pharmaceutical industry. Please disclose not only > vaccine makers, but ALL donations received by pharmaceutical companies > and amounts. Please include the pharmaceutical company name or > representatives linked to a pharmaceutical company in your > organization's statement as this information is not listed on many of > your tax forms".> > ...they're obviously hiding something!> > Charlie> __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Think big. Think complete public audit. Think "research dollar" lawsuits. Think full personal financial disclosure. NPO sharks deserve all the public humiliation for what they do to the victims.

Why wouldn't Congress want to hold collusion hearings?

RE: Re: Holly; Picket an ASA conference???

Hi

I don't know if it is a good idea in the long run, but it sure gave me my first chuckle in days!

It would be fun to stand outside an ASA conference and hand out the thimerasol MSDS with a copy of Deadly Immunity to all who attend.

VeraHolly Bortfeld <maximom@...> wrote:

I agree, because we let them. Because these pseudo-advocacy orgs allow it, because they attend CDC press conferences and even their presence is an endorsement of all the lies spewed. When was the last time we picketed an ASA conference? An AutismSpeaks/NAAR event? Until and unless all the groups stand together, we’ll never get federal funding. The way to fix it? Shut down or take over the groups who stand in the way of real research. Teach the new parents how to research for themselves and make up their own minds, teach them how to deal with legislators, teach them that a little frickin’ anarchy is good for the soul. it’s time to choose sides. It’s time to kick a little ass.

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of BarrySent: Friday, July 07, 2006 10:53 PMEOHarm Subject: Re: ASA Expresses Support to HELP Committee (CAA Bill)

IMO, the Senate HELP committee will strike the vaccine language fromCAA all by themselves, without help from any autism advocacyorganizations. >> The ASA broke ranks because...> > "Moms Against Mercury is asking each organization represented on this > email to fully disclose all contributions of any type, source, or > nature from the pharmaceutical industry. Please disclose not only > vaccine makers, but ALL donations received by pharmaceutical companies > and amounts. Please include the pharmaceutical company name or > representatives linked to a pharmaceutical company in your > organization's statement as this information is not listed on many of > your tax forms".> > ...they're obviously hiding something!> > Charlie>

[Guest guest]

Maureen, a little historical prospective

is due. Yes those rallies had an effect – running out of

office - but they also drove Nixon to be more secretive, having the opposite

effect intended. Also, it took years of those rallies, it wasn’t

just one. But it took Walter Cronkite saying the war is lost before shit

broke loose. And despite the rallies, those boys didn’t come home,

they still stayed, they still died. Rallies are as much for the attendees

to blow off steam as they are to deliver a message.

We have hindrances and powers you all

didn’t have back then. Our greatest tool is the internet. We don’t

have to rely on word of mouth, we can reach millions from the comfort of our

couches. Our biggest hindrance (and source of strength) is our

kids. We cannot ever go and rally 100,000 strong. We just can’t

get that kind of childcare. And we are so broke from treating them that

we cannot afford to go to rallies. But we have a tangible, constant

reminder of the reason we fight jumping on the couch next to us. J

Standing in front of the CDC may not

produce a full senate investigation but if just one of the CDC workers starts

looking into it (anonymously of course) then it’s worth it.

Just my 2 cents.

Holly, who was born in 1967

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of Maurine Meleck

Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 11:34

PM

EOHarm

Subject: RE: Re: Holly;

Picket an ASA conference???

In the 1960's when we

disagreed with the war in Vietnam we didn't phone and write our legislators and

wait for a miracle to happen, we rallied in DC 100,000 strong, had sit ins,

closed down universities, burned draft cards, cheered Bobby Dylan. Compared

to that-what's 150 people standing in front of the CDC building for 3 hours

with posters????

[Guest guest]

I don't remember as many PR men in 1964. Now they have slick spin

down-however like you mentioned if just one more employee can be

turned.

google or dogpile: Tom Skinner & CDC several big problems pop up.

Mr Skinner knows where the bodies are buried.

How could he present just the right edge w/o knowing.

Katrina & the Gulf coast, The Veterns & Gulf war syndrome, How panels

are chosen, use of a expensive Gulfstream III Jet.

I was born in 1943 and worked thru the 60's but am now doing my

small bit to rebel rouse. Nixon was always secretive and was

a completly political animal and saw change coming. Oh by the way

the power is still to the people he,he.

>

> Maureen, a little historical prospective is due. Yes those

rallies had an

> effect - running out of office - but they also drove Nixon

to be

> more secretive, having the opposite effect intended. Also, it

took years of

> those rallies, it wasn't just one. But it took Walter Cronkite

saying the

> war is lost before shit broke loose. And despite the rallies,

those boys

> didn't come home, they still stayed, they still died. Rallies are

as much

> for the attendees to blow off steam as they are to deliver a

message.

>

>

>

> We have hindrances and powers you all didn't have back then. Our

greatest

> tool is the internet. We don't have to rely on word of mouth, we

can reach

> millions from the comfort of our couches. Our biggest hindrance

(and source

> of strength) is our kids. We cannot ever go and rally 100,000

strong. We

> just can't get that kind of childcare. And we are so broke from

treating

> them that we cannot afford to go to rallies. But we have a

tangible,

> constant reminder of the reason we fight jumping on the couch next

to us.

> :-)

>

>

>

> Standing in front of the CDC may not produce a full senate

investigation but

> if just one of the CDC workers starts looking into it (anonymously

of

> course) then it's worth it.

>

>

>

> Just my 2 cents.

>

>

>

> Holly, who was born in 1967

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On

Behalf Of

> Maurine Meleck

> Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 11:34 PM

> EOHarm

> Subject: RE: Re: Holly; Picket an ASA conference???

>

>

>

> In the 1960's when we disagreed with the war in Vietnam we didn't

phone and

> write our legislators and wait for a miracle to happen, we rallied

in DC

> 100,000 strong, had sit ins, closed down universities, burned

draft cards,

> cheered Bobby Dylan. Compared to that-what's 150 people standing

in front

> of the CDC building for 3 hours with posters????

>

[Guest guest]

Well, I know how complicated this all is. It just gets frustrating because it is taking so long---and I know those small rallies are still important-I was there with my grandson and will be at the next one.Holly Bortfeld <maximom@...> wrote: Maureen, a little historical prospective is due. Yes those rallies had an effect – running out of office - but

they also drove Nixon to be more secretive, having the opposite effect intended. Also, it took years of those rallies, it wasn’t just one. But it took Walter Cronkite saying the war is lost before shit broke loose. And despite the rallies, those boys didn’t come home, they still stayed, they still died. Rallies are as much for the attendees to blow off steam as they are to deliver a message. We have hindrances and powers you all didn’t have back then. Our greatest tool is the internet. We don’t have to rely on word of mouth, we can reach millions from the comfort of our couches. Our biggest hindrance (and source of strength) is our

kids. We cannot ever go and rally 100,000 strong. We just can’t get that kind of childcare. And we are so broke from treating them that we cannot afford to go to rallies. But we have a tangible, constant reminder of the reason we fight jumping on the couch next to us. J Standing in front of the CDC may not produce a full senate investigation but if just one of the CDC workers starts looking into it (anonymously of course) then it’s worth it.

Just my 2 cents. Holly, who was born in 1967 From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of Maurine MeleckSent: Friday, July 07, 2006 11:34 PMEOHarm Subject: RE: Re: Holly; Picket an ASA conference??? In the 1960's when we disagreed with the war in Vietnam we didn't phone and write our legislators and wait for a miracle to happen, we rallied in DC 100,000 strong, had sit ins, closed down universities, burned draft cards, cheered Bobby Dylan. Compared to that-what's 150 people standing in front of the CDC building for 3 hours with posters????

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[Guest guest]

Well, I know how complicated this all is. It just gets frustrating because it is taking so long---and I know those small rallies are still important-I was there with my grandson and will be at the next one.Holly Bortfeld <maximom@...> wrote: Maureen, a little historical prospective is due. Yes those rallies had an effect – running out of office - but

they also drove Nixon to be more secretive, having the opposite effect intended. Also, it took years of those rallies, it wasn’t just one. But it took Walter Cronkite saying the war is lost before shit broke loose. And despite the rallies, those boys didn’t come home, they still stayed, they still died. Rallies are as much for the attendees to blow off steam as they are to deliver a message. We have hindrances and powers you all didn’t have back then. Our greatest tool is the internet. We don’t have to rely on word of mouth, we can reach millions from the comfort of our couches. Our biggest hindrance (and source of strength) is our

kids. We cannot ever go and rally 100,000 strong. We just can’t get that kind of childcare. And we are so broke from treating them that we cannot afford to go to rallies. But we have a tangible, constant reminder of the reason we fight jumping on the couch next to us. J Standing in front of the CDC may not produce a full senate investigation but if just one of the CDC workers starts looking into it (anonymously of course) then it’s worth it.

Just my 2 cents. Holly, who was born in 1967 From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of Maurine MeleckSent: Friday, July 07, 2006 11:34 PMEOHarm Subject: RE: Re: Holly; Picket an ASA conference??? In the 1960's when we disagreed with the war in Vietnam we didn't phone and write our legislators and wait for a miracle to happen, we rallied in DC 100,000 strong, had sit ins, closed down universities, burned draft cards, cheered Bobby Dylan. Compared to that-what's 150 people standing in front of the CDC building for 3 hours with posters????

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[Guest guest]

I disagree. I think if enough of us stand in front of the CDC long

enough, it will do just that, open the doors to the truth. And, we can

bring our kids. There were several at the last rally.

This isn't just an EOHarm rally, either. All those SIDS families need

to be invited. All those Persian Gulf Illness families need to be

invited. What about the families of those whose kids went anaphilaxic

after shots and have CP? They need an invite. I don't see any reason

why we can't easily double or triple the last event. After all, the

thimerosal issue wasn't just done to the autism community, it was done

to lots of other communities, and those are the ones we partner with,

not the autism groups that don't like to talk about what's really

going on.

We are making a diff. Like my future niece and her pre-med class,

she's now informed an entire biology dept of a major university of the

thimerosal issue, along with a class of young people. No doubt, most

of those young people told others about what they heard. Just Friday I

was in our local children's hospital proudly proclaiming throughout

medical records that my youngest has never been vaccinated after the

ped gave my daughter a hepB shot at 9 mos while scabbed from chicken

pox. They were listening, and not with looks that I was a freak; they

were listening with looks of fear, looks that they wanted to learn

more. I gave a mini-lesson right there, right next to the doctor's

lounge. Sure some thought I was nuts, but many more understood.

The rallies need to happen, but in my op, not an ASA group. The

national ASA is like a submissive little housewife who sits and says

nothing while her husband is chewing out someone. She serves a

purpose, but don't depend on her to stand up for anything.

Debi

[Guest guest]

I disagree. I think if enough of us stand in front of the CDC long

enough, it will do just that, open the doors to the truth. And, we can

bring our kids. There were several at the last rally.

This isn't just an EOHarm rally, either. All those SIDS families need

to be invited. All those Persian Gulf Illness families need to be

invited. What about the families of those whose kids went anaphilaxic

after shots and have CP? They need an invite. I don't see any reason

why we can't easily double or triple the last event. After all, the

thimerosal issue wasn't just done to the autism community, it was done

to lots of other communities, and those are the ones we partner with,

not the autism groups that don't like to talk about what's really

going on.

We are making a diff. Like my future niece and her pre-med class,

she's now informed an entire biology dept of a major university of the

thimerosal issue, along with a class of young people. No doubt, most

of those young people told others about what they heard. Just Friday I

was in our local children's hospital proudly proclaiming throughout

medical records that my youngest has never been vaccinated after the

ped gave my daughter a hepB shot at 9 mos while scabbed from chicken

pox. They were listening, and not with looks that I was a freak; they

were listening with looks of fear, looks that they wanted to learn

more. I gave a mini-lesson right there, right next to the doctor's

lounge. Sure some thought I was nuts, but many more understood.

The rallies need to happen, but in my op, not an ASA group. The

national ASA is like a submissive little housewife who sits and says

nothing while her husband is chewing out someone. She serves a

purpose, but don't depend on her to stand up for anything.

Debi

[Guest guest]

> The national ASA is like a submissive little housewife . . .

There really is no call for this kind of disparaging comparison. Why

is it necessary to put down a group of people who in their hearts are

only trying to do the right thing the best they know how? Debi, you

owe submissive little housewives everywhere an apology.

Lenny

[Guest guest]

> The national ASA is like a submissive little housewife . . .

There really is no call for this kind of disparaging comparison. Why

is it necessary to put down a group of people who in their hearts are

only trying to do the right thing the best they know how? Debi, you

owe submissive little housewives everywhere an apology.

Lenny

[Guest guest]

Good point. Next time there's a rally, we need to inform all those

who have been injured by vaccines. Here are a few groups:

http://www.vaccine-a.com/forum.html

dpt-epilepsy/

/

[Guest guest]

Good point. Next time there's a rally, we need to inform all those

who have been injured by vaccines. Here are a few groups:

http://www.vaccine-a.com/forum.html

dpt-epilepsy/

/

[Guest guest]

Well, I guess I'm a housewife who wants the others to know they have a

voice too and can still be married at the same time.

Debi, if you are a member of the Chapter Leaders Network on ASA, you

will hopefully see what I wrote about how disgusted I am that the ASA

backed down. I said we need to be more like Bernie Rimland, who

founded the ASA. I told Pratt not to speak for me or my hard

work with the ASA. I said it's time for new blood. Now, let's see if

my message gets posted... sometimes they don't post my messages on

there, but rather screen them so as to not upset the others.

Sally

>

> > The national ASA is like a submissive little housewife . . .

>

>

> There really is no call for this kind of disparaging comparison. Why

> is it necessary to put down a group of people who in their hearts are

> only trying to do the right thing the best they know how? Debi, you

> owe submissive little housewives everywhere an apology.

>

> Lenny

>

[Guest guest]

No, I don't see that I do. I wasn't insulting a " submissive little

housewife " . I happen to be a housewife. It was a simple analogy. Your

own statement, that in the hearts of housewives doing the right thing

they best they know how furthers the comparison, as that is what the

national ASA is doing, the right thing the best they know how. So,

would it be an insult I owe the ASA?

Debi

>

> > The national ASA is like a submissive little housewife . . .

>

>

> There really is no call for this kind of disparaging comparison. Why

> is it necessary to put down a group of people who in their hearts are

> only trying to do the right thing the best they know how? Debi, you

> owe submissive little housewives everywhere an apology.

>

> Lenny

>

[Guest guest]

I think you missed Lenny’s humor

Debi. It was a JOKE. It’s time to laugh. J

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of Debi

Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 4:09

PM

EOHarm

Subject: Re: Holly;

Picket an ASA conference???

No, I don't see that I do. I wasn't insulting a

" submissive little

housewife " . I happen to be a housewife. It was a simple analogy. Your

own statement, that in the hearts of housewives doing the right thing

they best they know how furthers the comparison, as that is what the

national ASA is doing, the right thing the best they know how. So,

would it be an insult I owe the ASA?

Debi

>

> > The national ASA is like a submissive little housewife . . .

>

>

> There really is no call for this kind of disparaging comparison. Why

> is it necessary to put down a group of people who in their hearts are

> only trying to do the right thing the best they know how? Debi, you

> owe submissive little housewives everywhere an apology.

>

> Lenny

>

[Guest guest]

Sally, congrats for standing up for what you believe! As I posted in

my reply to Lenny's comment, I too am a housewife. I, too, am very

active in stating my thoughts, and I totally agree with you about Bernie.

The best way for us to change the orgs is to participate in them, join

up with them, and change them, unlike the submissive little housewife

or the tyrant husband (Lenny, no I'm not insulting anyone who's a

husband and trying to do what they know the best they can, lol) who we

can't change.

Debi

>

> Well, I guess I'm a housewife who wants the others to know they have a

> voice too and can still be married at the same time.

> Debi, if you are a member of the Chapter Leaders Network on ASA, you

> will hopefully see what I wrote about how disgusted I am that the ASA

> backed down. I said we need to be more like Bernie Rimland, who

> founded the ASA. I told Pratt not to speak for me or my hard

> work with the ASA. I said it's time for new blood. Now, let's see if

> my message gets posted... sometimes they don't post my messages on

> there, but rather screen them so as to not upset the others.

> Sally

>