RE: Kirby Radio Interview On Line; KFI; Bill Handel; Dr. Dean O'Dell

[Guest guest]

This should be really interesting. I have to hand it to Bill Handel. He worships Dr. Dean O'Dell and just had him on last week. Dr. Dean O'Dell said and I quote," "Vaccines are totally safe and have nothing to do the the genetic/hereditary condition called autism. To grant people the right to religious exemption from vaccine is the moral equivalent of granting people a religous exemption for waiting at red lights. It is against the law to run a red light and it should be equally against the law to refuse government mandated vaccinations for any reason whatsoever." Dr. Dean O'Dell has his own radio show on KFI and says that parents who refuse to vaccinate their children on the CDC mandated schedule are immoral. Bill Handel refers to Dr. Dean O'Dell has one of the best medical experts he has ever met and is always the medical go-to guy for KFI.

Vera Shapiro <thepaulshapiro@...> wrote: EOHarm@ . To Listen To Kirby Radio Interview On Line A Kirby, taped radio interview will be on The Bill Handel Show, KFI AM Radio, Los Angeles, Thursday, June 22, at 8:06AM, a Pacific Daylight Savings Time Here is the link to listen on line. http://www.kfi640.com/pages/streaming.html Then when window opens, Click On: Click Here To Launch __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

That's one dumb sumbitch.

Re: Kirby Radio Interview On Line; KFI; Bill Handel; Dr. Dean O'Dell

This should be really interesting. I have to hand it to Bill Handel. He worships Dr. Dean O'Dell and just had him on last week. Dr. Dean O'Dell said and I quote,"

"Vaccines are totally safe and have nothing to do the the genetic/hereditary condition called autism. To grant people the right to religious exemption from vaccine is the moral equivalent of granting people a religous exemption for waiting at red lights. It is against the law to run a red light and it should be equally against the law to refuse government mandated vaccinations for any reason whatsoever."

Dr. Dean O'Dell has his own radio show on KFI and says that parents who refuse to vaccinate their children on the CDC mandated schedule are immoral.

Bill Handel refers to Dr. Dean O'Dell has one of the best medical experts he has ever met and is always the medical go-to guy for KFI.

Vera Shapiro <thepaulshapiro@...> wrote:

EOHarm@

..

To Listen To Kirby Radio Interview On Line

A Kirby, taped radio interview will be on The Bill Handel Show, KFI AM Radio, Los Angeles, Thursday, June 22, at 8:06AM, a Pacific Daylight Savings Time

Here is the link to listen on line.

http://www.kfi640.com/pages/streaming.html

Then when window opens, Click On:

Click Here To Launch

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Let these people bark at the moon.

If the parents understand reality, this guy will have no/little effect. .

Re: Kirby Radio Interview On Line; KFI; Bill Handel; Dr. Dean O'Dell

This should be really interesting. I have to hand it to Bill Handel. He worships Dr. Dean O'Dell and just had him on last week. Dr. Dean O'Dell said and I quote,"

"Vaccines are totally safe and have nothing to do the the genetic/hereditary condition called autism. To grant people the right to religious exemption from vaccine is the moral equivalent of granting people a religous exemption for waiting at red lights. It is against the law to run a red light and it should be equally against the law to refuse government mandated vaccinations for any reason whatsoever."

Dr. Dean O'Dell has his own radio show on KFI and says that parents who refuse to vaccinate their children on the CDC mandated schedule are immoral.

Bill Handel refers to Dr. Dean O'Dell has one of the best medical experts he has ever met and is always the medical go-to guy for KFI.

Vera Shapiro <thepaulshapiro@...> wrote:

EOHarm@

..

To Listen To Kirby Radio Interview On Line

A Kirby, taped radio interview will be on The Bill Handel Show, KFI AM Radio, Los Angeles, Thursday, June 22, at 8:06AM, a Pacific Daylight Savings Time

Here is the link to listen on line.

http://www.kfi640.com/pages/streaming.html

Then when window opens, Click On:

Click Here To Launch

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I actually like Bill Handel -- he is open-minded. It just think it is interesting he his going to have Kirby on. Handel has just been exposed to only one point of view and it will be interesting to hear his reaction. The good doctor on the other hand will take his stupid opinions to his grave and has staked his reputation on it. Verahcoleman <stratpat@...> wrote: Let these people bark at the moon. If the parents understand reality, this guy

will have no/little effect. . Re: Kirby Radio Interview On Line; KFI; Bill Handel; Dr. Dean O'Dell This should be really interesting. I have to hand it to Bill Handel. He worships Dr. Dean O'Dell and just had him on last week. Dr. Dean O'Dell said and I quote," "Vaccines are totally safe and have nothing to do the the genetic/hereditary condition called autism. To grant people the right to religious exemption from vaccine is the moral equivalent of granting people a religous exemption for waiting at red lights. It is against the law to run a red light and it should be equally against the law to refuse government mandated vaccinations for any reason whatsoever." Dr. Dean O'Dell has his own radio show on KFI and says that parents who refuse to vaccinate their children on the CDC mandated schedule are immoral. Bill Handel refers to Dr. Dean O'Dell has one of the best medical experts he has ever met and is always the medical go-to guy for KFI. Vera Shapiro <thepaulshapiro@...> wrote: EOHarm@ . To Listen To Kirby Radio Interview On Line A Kirby, taped radio interview will be on The Bill Handel Show, KFI AM Radio, Los Angeles, Thursday, June 22, at 8:06AM, a Pacific Daylight Savings Time Here is the link to listen on line. http://www.kfi640.com/pages/streaming.html Then when window opens, Click On: Click Here To Launch __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Vera

That show was awful. I found myself cussing at the radio while my kid was in the car (not typical for me.)

That Dr Odell should be wopped up side the head. He has bought AAP line 100%.

The day of the radio show in question May 23. They said a lot of mistruths. I wrote a letter.

See below.

I too like Bill Handel and know will be able to change their understanding of autism. Hopefully more will be done on this topic. The Handel radio show is one of the most popular in the Southern California

All my best,

A Jeff's mom

Dear Bill Handel:

I am an avid listener of your radio show and have been for years. Today¡Çs show hit me like an unaccepted slap across the face and I had to write you.

While I appreciate the topic of autism being discussed on the Handel morning radio show for awareness, I don¡Çt appreciate the spreading of mistruths. I wanted to take the time to provide the areas that need clarification and correction for your listeners and especially for you:

1) Mercury has been out of vaccine for years.

Here is the list of vaccines from the FDA web site that contain mercury:

http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#t3

As you can see mercury is not yet out of vaccines given to children. Further the American Academy of Pediatrics JUST added to the routine schedule is the FLU vaccine starting at 6 months with an initial shot and 3 boosters before the age 5 years. Today, over 75% of the flu vaccines on the market today contain 25 micrograms of thimerosal (mercury.) So mercury is not completely out of the picture yet. It would be very nice indeed if the 2nd most neurotoxic chemical on the planet was.

The CDC and IOM both recommended mercury to be ¡Èoptionally¡É removed from vaccines in 1999. They did not recall mercury containing vaccines. Many vaccines have a 3-6 year shelf life and children did receive them. In addition mercury is not completely out of vaccines and you can see the FDA web site for yourself.

However, with the California Autism data now down three quarters in a row as mercury has been transitioned out of the vaccine stock it would appear there is a connection. See statistics below in the reference materials provided.

2) Geeks get lucky theory on the autism increase

This theory is just that a theory of antedoctal observances from Dr Simon Cohen who should stick to his specialty – behavioral therapy - not the causes of autism. What should be done is review of the autism epidemic. If you look at all the careers today – how many make use a computer versus 20 or even 10 years ago? I would say most white collar jobs use a computer as part of their daily efforts. Are you a geek? Do you have a child with autism? Actually if you review people who are considered geeks and people who collect garbage have the same occurrence for autism.

3) San / Silicon Valley Autism cluster:

Dr Dell was almost right here. The largest mercury mine in the U.S. is in San . Where it also happens to be the location of Silicon Valley and lots of geeks. Even though this mine is now closed it will remain toxic for 50 years. Could this be why the Silicon Valley has a higher occurrence of autism?

In all actuality Silicon Valley has the same diagnoses of autism as the rest of the U.S. – 1 in 166 or 1 in 180.

4) Widening of the diagnosis of autism

Several studies have disproven this theory as well including Blaxill, Baskin & Spitzer in April 2003. This is another mistruth to say we are not experiencing an epidemic. One look at the California data alone would demonstrate autism on the rise and other childhood disabilities including mental retardation are not. They are the same.

5) Mercury & autism theory is not yet proven:

It depends which study you are reading. The studies that have been done to disprove the link are actually defined as showing ¡Èno casual relationship between mercury in vaccines and autism.¡É This statement does not disprove the issue either.

What one also needs to carefully review are the studies and their funding. Three of the seven recent studies were funded and performed by vaccine manufacturers. I guess the ¡Èinnocent until proven guilty¡É applies in the court of law for individuals and in this case.

6) Autism is not experiencing an epidemic

The CDC has done a recent study and warned pediatricians of the autism occurrence now at 1 in 166 or in 1 in 180 (depending on which study you review.) What is more staggering is the CDC statistic of 1 in 6 school aged children have a developmental or behavioral disorder. See attached document warning. Parents and the public should be alarmed to find the cause of this crisis.

It is also important to note that recent studies of the Amish community who do not participate in Western medicine, including the practice of vaccinations, have demonstrated their rates of autism are substantially lower. Their rates are 1-2 in 10,000 similar to the U.S. rates in 1970 and before.

Further studies of Christian Scientists, Amish and other unvaccinated individuals are underway to verify this theory.

7) Move to Israel so we can get proper treatment?

A priority needs to be placed on autism. We are in the middle of an epidemic. It is estimated 80% of those affected with autism are under the age of 17 years. The title wave that will hit the U.S. economy will be more than what is paid for illegal immigration today.

Experts estimate the costs to care for an individual - untreated today – with autism is $3 - $5 million dollars. People with autism don¡Çt die early.

8) Certain ethnic groups don¡Çt get diagnosed with autism.

Not true. If English is your second language – regardless of ethnic background – you most likely have children slip through the cracks. The support community I run¡Çs data is a good example. White and educated families generally have their children diagnosed early – some as early as 12 months with the average by age 3. Families where English is a second language are rarely diagnosed before 4 years with an average of 6 years. I would be happy to provide this data.

In conclusion:

We – the most influential country of the world – need to put a priority here to figure out the cause so we can stop it and cure for those affected before the tsunami hits us here.

Please pick 20 schools – public and private – in Southern California and see for yourself that it does not take a study to prove this wrong. Autism is on the rise and considered by the CDC to be an epidemic.

Working with researchers to find the cause and cure would be more appropriate than spreading these mistruths. I would rather spend my time helping families help their children than battling these statements day after day.

Parents with children affected by autism need to know that through traditional therapies and treating children unique to their medical needs can yield amazing results and some experience recovery from autism. Sharing this information would be helpful and hopeful for the thousands affected.

Even if you are not personally affected by autism in your family a little research goes a long way to understanding autism is genetically driven with an environmental component. What is debated is that environmental trigger. My son disintegrated after his 15 month vaccines. He lost language, could not sleep through the night, had rashes all over his body and a myriad of new medical issues. My story unfortunately is repeated by thousands of families.

This effort would be greatly appreciated by the many families affected.

If you have Dr Dell on the program discussing his thoughts it is deserving to have someone else on the program discussing the opposite.

Thank you,

Ackerman

Proud mom of Jeff

Newport Beach CA

P.S. I have referenced the studies in this letter for your further reading.

Item 1: California Department of developmental Disorders – AUTISM DSM LEVEL FOUR DIAGNOSIS ONLY

3-5 year olds - quarterly numbers

QUARTER Total # children Net gain Change in

3-5 years old net gain

n 1Q 2003 4228 189 +81

n 2Q 2003 4466 238 +49

n 3Q 2003 4558 92 -146

n 4Q 2003 4611 53 -39

n 1Q 2004 4793 182 +129

n 2Q 2004 4894 101 -81

n 3Q 2004 4997 103 +2

n 4Q 2004 5156 159 +56

n 1Q 2005 5307 151 -8

n 2Q 2005 5446 139 -12

n 3Q 2005 5539 93 -46

n 4Q 2005 5680 141 +48

n 1Q 2006 5827 147 +6

-----------------------------------------------

But yearly trends for 3-5 year olds are down¡Ä

Year Net Gain % Change

ages 3-5

2003 572 n/a*

2004 545 -4.72%

2005 524 -3.85%

Public Warning about Thimerosal / Mercury in FLU VACCINES:

http://www.safeminds.org/pressroom/press_releases/MotherMagazinePressRelease.pdf

Reference for Item #5

LA TIMES Article: Merck Misled Public on Vaccines:

http://www.safeminds.org/pressroom/press_releases/2005-03-07-Los-Angeles-Times-Merck-Misled-on-Vaccines.pdf

A copy of Merck¡Çs Internal Memo:

http://www.safeminds.org/pressroom/press_releases/2005-02-08-LA-Times-Merck-Memo-Thimerosal-Vaccine.pdf

Studies that link Autism & Mercury and relevant studies on WHY some children are affected:

¢¢ Autism: A Novel Form of Mercury Poisoning. Medical Hypothesis, 2001.Sallie Bernard, Albert Enyati, Lynn Redwood, RN, Binstock, PhD.

¢¢ Comparison of Blood and Brain Mercury Levels in Infant Monkeys Exposed to Methylmercury or Vaccines Containing Thimerosal. Environmental Health Perspectives, Aug 2005. Burbacher, PhD [university of Washington].

¢¢ A Case Control Study of Mercury Burden in Children with Autism Spectrum Disorder.Journal of American Physicians and Surgeon, 2003. , PhD [Arizona State University].

¢¢ Thimerosal Neurotoxicity is Associated with Glutathione Depletion: Protection with Glutathione Precursors. Neurotoxicology, Jan 2005. S. Jill , PhD [university of Arkansas].

¢¢ Large Brains in Autism: The Challenge of Pervasive Abnormality. The Neuroscientist, Volume 11, Number 5, 2005. Martha Herbert, MD, PhD [Harvard University].

¢¢ Neurotoxic Effects of Postnatal Thimerosal are Mouse Strain Dependent. Molecular Psychiatry, Sep 2004. Mady Hornig, MD [Columbia University].

¢¢ Activation of Methionine Synthase by Insulin-like Growth Factor-1 and Dopamine: a Target for Neurodevelopmental Toxins and Thimerosal. Molecular Psychiatry, July 2004. C. Deth, PhD [Northeastern University].

¢¢ Neuroglial Activation and Neuroinflammation in the Brain of Patients with Autism.ls of Neurology, Feb 2005. L. Vargas, MD [s Hopkins University].

¢¢ A Two-Phased Population Epidemiological Study of the Safety of Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines: a Follow-up Analysis. Medical Science Monitor, April 2005.Mark Geier, M.D., Ph.D., A. Geier.

¢¢ National Autism Prevalence Trends From United States Special Education Data.Pediatrics, March 2005. Craig J. Newschaffer, PhD [s Hopkins University].

¢¢ Retrograde Degeneration of Neurite Membrane Structural Integrity of Nerve Growth In Vitro Exposure to Mercury. NeuroReport, 2001. Leong, MD [university of Calgary].

Reference for Item #6

Where are the Autistic Amish?http://www.generationrescue.org/pdf/news/amish3.pdf

CDC Alarm about autism and developmental disabilities (See page three of this link):

http://www.tacanow.com/latest_autism_statistics.htm

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of Vera Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:36 AMEOHarm Subject: Re: Kirby Radio Interview On Line; KFI; Bill Handel; Dr. Dean O'Dell

I actually like Bill Handel -- he is open-minded. It just think it is interesting he his going to have Kirby on. Handel has just been exposed to only one point of view and it will be interesting to hear his reaction. The good doctor on the other hand will take his stupid opinions to his grave and has staked his reputation on it.

Verahcoleman <stratpat@...> wrote:

Let these people bark at the moon.

If the parents understand reality, this guy will have no/little effect. .

Re: Kirby Radio Interview On Line; KFI; Bill Handel; Dr. Dean O'Dell

This should be really interesting. I have to hand it to Bill Handel. He worships Dr. Dean O'Dell and just had him on last week. Dr. Dean O'Dell said and I quote,"

"Vaccines are totally safe and have nothing to do the the genetic/hereditary condition called autism. To grant people the right to religious exemption from vaccine is the moral equivalent of granting people a religous exemption for waiting at red lights. It is against the law to run a red light and it should be equally against the law to refuse government mandated vaccinations for any reason whatsoever."

Dr. Dean O'Dell has his own radio show on KFI and says that parents who refuse to vaccinate their children on the CDC mandated schedule are immoral.

Bill Handel refers to Dr. Dean O'Dell has one of the best medical experts he has ever met and is always the medical go-to guy for KFI.

Vera Shapiro <thepaulshapiro@...> wrote:

EOHarm@

..

To Listen To Kirby Radio Interview On Line

A Kirby, taped radio interview will be on The Bill Handel Show, KFI AM Radio, Los Angeles, Thursday, June 22, at 8:06AM, a Pacific Daylight Savings Time

Here is the link to listen on line.

http://www.kfi640.com/pages/streaming.html

Then when window opens, Click On:

Click Here To Launch

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I actually meant the good doctor.

Re: Kirby Radio Interview On Line; KFI; Bill Handel; Dr. Dean O'Dell

This should be really interesting. I have to hand it to Bill Handel. He worships Dr. Dean O'Dell and just had him on last week. Dr. Dean O'Dell said and I quote,"

"Vaccines are totally safe and have nothing to do the the genetic/hereditary condition called autism. To grant people the right to religious exemption from vaccine is the moral equivalent of granting people a religous exemption for waiting at red lights. It is against the law to run a red light and it should be equally against the law to refuse government mandated vaccinations for any reason whatsoever."

Dr. Dean O'Dell has his own radio show on KFI and says that parents who refuse to vaccinate their children on the CDC mandated schedule are immoral.

Bill Handel refers to Dr. Dean O'Dell has one of the best medical experts he has ever met and is always the medical go-to guy for KFI.

Vera Shapiro <thepaulshapiro@...> wrote:

EOHarm@

..

To Listen To Kirby Radio Interview On Line

A Kirby, taped radio interview will be on The Bill Handel Show, KFI AM Radio, Los Angeles, Thursday, June 22, at 8:06AM, a Pacific Daylight Savings Time

Here is the link to listen on line.

http://www.kfi640.com/pages/streaming.html

Then when window opens, Click On:

Click Here To Launch

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I'm still picking my jaw up off the floor here, granted I never liked

Dr O'Dell years ago when he slammed co-sleeping and attachment

parenting, but this...wow. Talk about a way to tick off groups of

people from all sides of things politically and religiously in just 3

sentences.

Do you know which show this was from? I'd love to be able to get the

actual audio of this.

Dr. Dean O'Dell said and I quote, "

>

> " Vaccines are totally safe and have nothing to do the the

genetic/hereditary condition called autism. To grant people the right

to religious exemption from vaccine is the moral equivalent of

granting people a religous exemption for waiting at red lights. It is

against the law to run a red light and it should be equally against

the law to refuse government mandated vaccinations for any reason

whatsoever. "

>

[Guest guest]

The Bill Handel morning show May 23, 2006

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 1:10 PMEOHarm Subject: Re: Kirby Radio Interview On Line; KFI; Bill Handel; Dr. Dean O'Dell

I'm still picking my jaw up off the floor here, granted I never likedDr O'Dell years ago when he slammed co-sleeping and attachmentparenting, but this...wow. Talk about a way to tick off groups ofpeople from all sides of things politically and religiously in just 3sentences. Do you know which show this was from? I'd love to be able to get theactual audio of this.Dr. Dean O'Dell said and I quote,"> > "Vaccines are totally safe and have nothing to do the thegenetic/hereditary condition called autism. To grant people the rightto religious exemption from vaccine is the moral equivalent ofgranting people a religous exemption for waiting at red lights. It isagainst the law to run a red light and it should be equally againstthe law to refuse government mandated vaccinations for any reasonwhatsoever.">

[Guest guest]

The autism discussion was on May 23 -- I turned it off because I was driving with the kids and I thought I might crash the car. Dr. Dean's comment about equate running the red lights to vaccine refusal etc., was actually something I have heard him say on several occasions the most recent being last Sunday afternnon while running errands. I do not know if he made the second comment on the Bill Handel show also, but I heard him say it last Sunday in the afternoon. I also know that Bill Handel also interviewed the evil Dr. Dean shortly after Dr. Hornig's Columbia mice study was released. I think it was way before EOH and maybe even before my son got so sick. Dr. Dean never addressed the study except to say (paraphrasing) "you can use mice to get any result you want but the CDC studies are 'IRON CLAD.'" It was the first time I had ever heard Dr. Dean and even though I do not

believe I knew anything about ASD at the time, I knew that man was a dishonest quack. Vera <stacyc75@...> wrote: I'm still picking my jaw up off the floor here, granted I never likedDr O'Dell years ago when he slammed co-sleeping and attachmentparenting, but this...wow. Talk about a way to tick off groups ofpeople from all sides of things politically and religiously in just 3sentences. Do you know which show this was from? I'd love to be able to get

theactual audio of this.Dr. Dean O'Dell said and I quote,"> > "Vaccines are totally safe and have nothing to do the thegenetic/hereditary condition called autism. To grant people the rightto religious exemption from vaccine is the moral equivalent ofgranting people a religous exemption for waiting at red lights. It isagainst the law to run a red light and it should be equally againstthe law to refuse government mandated vaccinations for any reasonwhatsoever.">

[Guest guest]

Is it intentional or is he just a dope???

Re: Re: Kirby Radio Interview On Line; KFI; Bill Handel; Dr. Dean O'Dell

The autism discussion was on May 23 -- I turned it off because I was driving with the kids and I thought I might crash the car.

Dr. Dean's comment about equate running the red lights to vaccine refusal etc., was actually something I have heard him say on several occasions the most recent being last Sunday afternnon while running errands. I do not know if he made the second comment on the Bill Handel show also, but I heard him say it last Sunday in the afternoon.

I also know that Bill Handel also interviewed the evil Dr. Dean shortly after Dr. Hornig's Columbia mice study was released. I think it was way before EOH and maybe even before my son got so sick. Dr. Dean never addressed the study except to say (paraphrasing) "you can use mice to get any result you want but the CDC studies are 'IRON CLAD.'" It was the first time I had ever heard Dr. Dean and even though I do not believe I knew anything about ASD at the time, I knew that man was a dishonest quack.

Vera

<stacyc75@...> wrote:

I'm still picking my jaw up off the floor here, granted I never likedDr O'Dell years ago when he slammed co-sleeping and attachmentparenting, but this...wow. Talk about a way to tick off groups ofpeople from all sides of things politically and religiously in just 3sentences. Do you know which show this was from? I'd love to be able to get theactual audio of this.Dr. Dean O'Dell said and I quote,"> > "Vaccines are totally safe and have nothing to do the thegenetic/hereditary condition called autism. To grant people the rightto religious exemption from vaccine is the moral equivalent ofgranting people a religous exemption for waiting at red lights. It isagainst the law to run a red light and it should be equally againstthe law to refuse government mandated vaccinations for any reasonwhatsoever.">