Re: Toxicology is not in the CAA,

[Guest guest]

Kerbob,

Respectfully, the word toxicology is IN the bill. Under the Autism Centers of Excellence section, section B(i) reads as follows: (Such research shall)---"be conducted in the fields of developmental neurobiology, genetics, epigenetics, pharmacology, nutrition, immunology, neuroimmunoogy, endocrinology, gastroenterology, psychopharmacology, and toxicology."

But, I do find it very, very interesting that Bob owns GE and GE owns a thimerosal plant. Yikes!! Thanks for this information, I greatly appreciate it.

But, fighting for our kids and the children yet to be born is something none of us will ever stop doing no matter what the odds are. I wish the rich and powerful would realize that if they listened to us the cost of caring for individuals with autism would be a fraction of the cost it is projected to be currently. I believe the more productive individuals we have in the work force, the better off our country will be.

All the best,

Olsen

-----Original Message-----From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ]On Behalf Of KerbobSent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 10:59 PMEOHarm Subject: Re: Would someone post a critique of CAA citing language of the bill?

But toxicology is not in the CAA. Just try to get toxicology inserted. Bob , the owner of autism speaks, is also the owner of GE. GE owns a thimerosal plant. You have your work cut out for you.

CDC does not have any business being involved in autism. (SEE www.putchildrenfirst.org )

You may not know this, but thousands of parents have forced CDC to even admit autism was at epidemic levels some years ago. For an agency carrying the charge to be on top of diseases and epidemics they failed because they refused to stop, look, and listen. For an agency directly related to causing the 6000% increase in autism covering this up was par for the course in America these days.

CDC already works as an overlord. As an MD you understand that under CDC directives, MDs across America make their decisions. Many state level agencies rely on CDC, too. These agencies faced the epidemic alone as CDC would not admit autism was at those levels. State mental health groups had their hands tied by CDC for many years because their funding is tied into statistics.

For an example:

The Center for Autism and Related Disorders in Tampa, Florida was established by the Florida Legislature in 1986. At that time the Tampa CARD had six specialists serving a catchment of fifty families. This worked well as they were able to work with each family individually. However, when they were contacted in late 2003 they still had the same six specialists, but their catchment had swollen to 1,700 families. In short, they were swamped by the epidemic. They were no longer able to provide individual case work assistance to families and had to resort to mass orientation meetings and mailings.

When CDC, after a regime change, finally issued and Autism A.L.E.R.T. flier in February of 2004 the CARD breathed a sigh of relief. The CDC flier claimed 1 in 166 children were being diagnosed with autism. It also said 1 in 6 were now in developmentally delayed programs in schools across the country. Tampa CARD had something "bankable".

Still the state of Florida has been overwhelmed by autism. Having an uncompassionate governor also hurt the children. While the state health agency responsible for developmentally disabled services annually returns $52 to $60 million dollars of unused tax dollars, Florida for many years has 14,000+ developmentally disabled children on a waiting list for Med Waivers. There was a plan to cut the list in half by simply adding salary disqualifiers for the first time. Meaning if those on the waiting list were somewhere slightly above the poverty line, regardless of the fact that a developmental disability is involved, they would no longer qualify for services in the state.

The truth is CDC has been too busy working with their dozen or so media scholars to smother the voices of parents and hiding the real numbers (SEE Evidence of Harm)

For example:

There is a woman who I refer to as Mrs. Toast. She is a CDC staffer who was responsible for monitoring the Geiers when they were instructed to visit the Vaccine Safety Datalink by Congress. When she saw the Geiers datasets, she walked out into the hallway, looked both ways, and came back into the room shutting the door behind her.

The Geiers thought they had epi-evidence. Mrs. Toast told them to look at hers. She told them she was responsible for running weekly autism datasets. She was instructed to run datasets on HMO vaccination adverse outcomes to see what effect removing thimerosal from vaccines was having on the epidemic. She had an affected child and made sure that the Geiers understood that the rates were dropping each and every week.

Author Kirby had an interview set up, flew down to Atlanta, was in a car on the way to CDC to talk to her, but CDC had found out and they were threatening for end her career if she spoke to him.

When Congressman Dave Weldon found out about her not willing to blow the whistle on CDC's cover-up he said, "THIS WOMAN IS TOAST!" Which is were I gave her the formal name of Mrs. Toast.

At some point during Mrs. Toast's drop in autism rates CDC enlisted the help of NBC. Despite all effective awareness efforts of parents and people on the front lines of the autism epidemic there were children who'd fallen between the cracks. There are always reports about parents slamming their two year olds against the walls, etc. These ignorant parents are basically out there everyday. Finding enough of them to prop up sagging autism rates related to thimerosal removal would take national effort.

The CDC-NBC brain-child was a week-long concerted effort which had absolutely nothing to do with raising public awareness, and everything to do with instructing doctors on how to diagnose more autism. Certainly a very strange position for CDC to take in that they had claimed all along that autism rates were high as a result of better diagnosis. The effect of "Better Diagnosis Week" served the purpose of adding much needed "out of normal reach" children to the list of ASD and also giving the politically savvy pediatricians, who'd been instructed that parents of these kids are crazy, the green-light to prop up sagging autism rates.

Autism-mercury parents across the country were shocked to see that this partnership produced poor information concerning thimerosal and it's causal relationship to autism. Parents knew of the parallel increases in thimerosal-containing vaccine administration and autism. To parents who'd already lined up the symptoms of autism and mercury poisoning and the two are virtually identical twins NBC was out of order to omit mentioning thimerosal entirely.

While NBC was broadcasting this universally on their chain of networks thousands of parents, who thanks to a tip from one parent, were busy flooding NBC News anchor with E-mails expressing disgust over their lack of interest in the mercury-poisoning of their children causing their autism. said he had never received such a public out-cry for media justice before.

For all their "midnight at the computer efforts" the parents were rudely subjected to a nasty, indignant slap-down by Bob Bazellzabub on air, who claimed the "overwhelming evidence" is vaccine do not cause autism, (SEE http://www.nopointsfortrying.blogspot.com/ ), and one twenty second blip of scientist Deth stating there is a problem with some kids and thimerosal.

To an outsider not familiar with this long, drawn out saga for answers leading finally to justice for our children, sure the CAA looks OK, but to those who've been fighting honestly for our children is just another brick in the wall to defend against us.

Would someone post a critique of CAA citing language of the bill?

Having read a copy of the bill that was e-mailed to me by a health staffer of the HELP committee two days after its passage, I am still confused about why many in the autism community see the CAA as a bill they cannot accept. Could someone cite specific language from the bill and explain in English what will happen as a result of the sections they choose to cite?From what I have read so far, I do not like the idea of the director of the CDC having anything to do with autism even if it is limited to epidemiology.Secondly, I think while it is unfortunate that the vaccine language was removed, but I believe the insertion of the word "toxicology" would allow for research into mercury and vaccines.Lastly, in regards to the powers and responsibilities given to the Governors, this could be problematic depending on who the governor is. Here in Iowa, I would be scared that whomever is elected Governor in November will decide that the majority of autism information be sent out from the University of Iowa's autism center. I have heard mostly horror stories from parents who have taken their children there. I know they are oppossed to the biomedical approach. I would greatly appreciate hearing other's opinions on the CAA as long as they cite specific language from the bill. This will help focus the debate and keep it about the facts and not generalities.Thanks, OlsenP.S. Despite what I see as problems with the bill, I think spending $1 BILLION dollars on autism can't be bad. This huge sum of money has to have some positive outcomes for our children.

[Guest guest]

Um, Bob owns GE? Personally? Or did

you mean his employer NBC owns GE?

The problem with the wording for

toxicology below is that it doesn’t say EQUAL AMOUNTS. So if they spend

$5.00 on toxicology, they are still doing it, so it’s ok. (NOT) They

will keep on with the status quo and spend 99.5% on the same crap they’ve

been doing – brain and genetics – and, shockingly, this $1Billion

won’t find anything.

From:

EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of DRVOTE@...

Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 9:21

AM

EOHarm

Subject: RE:

" Toxicology is not in the CAA, "

Kerbob,

Respectfully, the word toxicology is IN the bill. Under the Autism Centers

of Excellence section, section B(i) reads as follows: (Such research shall)--- " be conducted in the fields of developmental neurobiology,

genetics, epigenetics, pharmacology, nutrition, immunology, neuroimmunoogy,

endocrinology, gastroenterology, psychopharmacology, and toxicology. "

But, I do find it very, very interesting

that Bob owns GE and GE owns a thimerosal plant. Yikes!!

Thanks for this information, I greatly appreciate it.

But, fighting for our kids and the

children yet to be born is something none of us will ever stop doing no matter

what the odds are. I wish the rich and powerful would realize that if

they listened to us the cost of caring for individuals with autism would be

a fraction of the cost it is projected to be

currently. I believe the more productive individuals we

have in the work force, the better off our country will be.

All the best,

Olsen

[Guest guest]

Toxicology of what? And who's running the centers? The same people that have had lots of air and opportunity to do the toxicology research for how many years past? Even if they finally get around to toxicology in the next twenty years or so they'll undoubtedly get it wrong as they always have.

Folks we need to remember the high level of scientific incompetence exhibited by government and their partners to date.

I guess many enjoy the idea of twenty years of pseudo science published to defend the drug companies that ultimately have had their say so in this combating autistics bill.

Go figure.

Would someone post a critique of CAA citing language of the bill?

Having read a copy of the bill that was e-mailed to me by a health staffer of the HELP committee two days after its passage, I am still confused about why many in the autism community see the CAA as a bill they cannot accept. Could someone cite specific language from the bill and explain in English what will happen as a result of the sections they choose to cite?From what I have read so far, I do not like the idea of the director of the CDC having anything to do with autism even if it is limited to epidemiology.Secondly, I think while it is unfortunate that the vaccine language was removed, but I believe the insertion of the word "toxicology" would allow for research into mercury and vaccines.Lastly, in regards to the powers and responsibilities given to the Governors, this could be problematic depending on who the governor is. Here in Iowa, I would be scared that whomever is elected Governor in November will decide that the majority of autism information be sent out from the University of Iowa's autism center. I have heard mostly horror stories from parents who have taken their children there. I know they are oppossed to the biomedical approach. I would greatly appreciate hearing other's opinions on the CAA as long as they cite specific language from the bill. This will help focus the debate and keep it about the facts and not generalities.Thanks, OlsenP.S. Despite what I see as problems with the bill, I think spending $1 BILLION dollars on autism can't be bad. This huge sum of money has to have some positive outcomes for our children.

[Guest guest]

He's the vice chairman of GE or something important like that. You aren't suggesting that good old Bob is like the poor Enron boys? You know a multi-million dollar victim of a corporate monster.

You never expect collusion is involved anyway. Nooooo.

We have to think pure thoughts like G. and Bobby W. stick to two subjects when they talk. The weather and their health. Right?

RE: RE: "Toxicology is not in the CAA,"

Um, Bob owns GE? Personally? Or did you mean his employer NBC owns GE?

The problem with the wording for toxicology below is that it doesn’t say EQUAL AMOUNTS. So if they spend $5.00 on toxicology, they are still doing it, so it’s ok. (NOT) They will keep on with the status quo and spend 99.5% on the same crap they’ve been doing – brain and genetics – and, shockingly, this $1Billion won’t find anything.

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of DRVOTE@...Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 9:21 AMEOHarm Subject: RE: "Toxicology is not in the CAA,"

Kerbob,

Respectfully, the word toxicology is IN the bill. Under the Autism Centers of Excellence section, section B(i) reads as follows: (Such research shall)---"be conducted in the fields of developmental neurobiology, genetics, epigenetics, pharmacology, nutrition, immunology, neuroimmunoogy, endocrinology, gastroenterology, psychopharmacology, and toxicology."

But, I do find it very, very interesting that Bob owns GE and GE owns a thimerosal plant. Yikes!! Thanks for this information, I greatly appreciate it.

But, fighting for our kids and the children yet to be born is something none of us will ever stop doing no matter what the odds are. I wish the rich and powerful would realize that if they listened to us the cost of caring for individuals with autism would be a fraction of the cost it is projected to be currently. I believe the more productive individuals we have in the work force, the better off our country will be.

All the best,

Olsen

[Guest guest]

Devil’s advocate alert!!!!!!!!!!

Let me defend Bob , from a business perspective.

First, do you have any idea how large General Electric is? They had

revenues of $150 billion in 2005, the ninth largest in the world and the

largest in terms of stock market value. It is bigger than the GNP of most

countries. The notion that a single executive in a company like this (one who

is not even the CEO) can control or even know anything in a company of that

size is crazy.

Second, NBC (which heads), is only about 10% of the total company. While

prominent and powerful, it is a world all of its own and has virtually nothing

to do with the rest of the company, which includes everything from locomotives

to financial services and almost every imaginable product in between.

Third, the Amersham division is a recently acquired and teensy-weensy part of

GE Med Systems, which makes MRI systems and other such devices. The last time I

checked this out (and I admit I haven't followed Robby's latest links),

Amersham had a distribution business with a catalog of lab supplies on which

thimerosal was listed. That is NOT the same thing as having a " thimerosal

factory " (these, by the way are devilishly difficult to find) and about as

consequential to GE as....well you get the point.

Finally, the idea that Bob would allow a catalog item in a tiny GE

division that may or may not have liability issues override his concern for his

daughter (by all accounts one of us) and his grandchild, just strikes me as

paranoid. OF COURSE there are issues of conflict of interest. But if you

connect everyone who has a job to the grand global conspiracy of thimerosal,

you will lose the rational audience that we must appeal to if we want to tip

public opinion in our favor.

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of Kerbob

Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 3:08

PM

EOHarm

Subject: Re: RE:

" Toxicology is not in the CAA, "

He's the vice chairman of GE or something important like that. You

aren't suggesting that good old Bob is like the poor Enron boys? You know a

multi-million dollar victim of a corporate monster.

You never expect collusion is involved anyway. Nooooo.

We have to think pure thoughts like G. and Bobby W. stick to two

subjects when they talk. The weather and their health. Right?

RE:

" Toxicology is not in the CAA, "

Kerbob,

Respectfully, the word toxicology

is IN the

bill. Under the Autism Centers of Excellence section, section B(i)

reads as follows: (Such research shall)--- " be

conducted in the fields of developmental neurobiology, genetics, epigenetics,

pharmacology, nutrition, immunology, neuroimmunoogy, endocrinology,

gastroenterology, psychopharmacology, and toxicology. "

But,

I do find it very, very interesting that Bob owns GE and GE owns a

thimerosal plant. Yikes!! Thanks for this information, I greatly

appreciate it.

But,

fighting for our kids and the children yet to be born is something none of us

will ever stop doing no matter what the odds are. I wish the rich and

powerful would realize that if they listened to us the cost of caring for

individuals with autism would be a fraction of the cost it is projected to

be currently. I believe the more productive individuals we

have in the work force, the better off our country will be.

All the best,

Olsen

[Guest guest]

>

> Devil's advocate alert!!!!!!!!!!

>

> Let me defend Bob , from a business perspective.

>

Whoe! Who are YOU and what have you done with the real Holly Bortfeld!?

Seriously, well done Holly. You don't need to be a devil's advocate to

put things into perspective. You are not defending Bob as much

as you are defending reality. If Mr. benefits from that, then

so be it.

Still, it's tough not to get suspicious about hidden agendas,

epecially since they're putting something in the water to make us all

a little paranoid.

Lenny

[Guest guest]

Holly,

No trifling please. A promise is a promise. We were promised a bill that clearly includes in writing vaccine and thimerosal research. We do not have a bill that clearly includes vaccine and thimerosal research in writing.

To suggest that Bob has no idea that his company GE is up to is trifling. He has been Vice Chairman of GE since 2000 which means he likely acquired the thimerosal operation for GE. To suggest that someone other than the brightest possible star of magnitude could have been hand-picked by Jack Welch as a GE corporate head is trifling. Sorry, but I'm not having it.

The CAA bill does not have thimerosal and vaccine research language in it. Therefore no autism organization should support CAA.

No more trifling. Get thimerosal and vaccine research in this bill in plain, distinctive language or walk away.

RE: RE: "Toxicology is not in the CAA,"

Um, Bob owns GE? Personally? Or did you mean his employer NBC owns GE?

The problem with the wording for toxicology below is that it doesn’t say EQUAL AMOUNTS. So if they spend $5.00 on toxicology, they are still doing it, so it’s ok. (NOT) They will keep on with the status quo and spend 99.5% on the same crap they’ve been doing – brain and genetics – and, shockingly, this $1Billion won’t find anything.

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of DRVOTE@...Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 9:21 AMEOHarm Subject: RE: "Toxicology is not in the CAA,"

Kerbob,

Respectfully, the word toxicology is IN the bill. Under the Autism Centers of Excellence section, section B(i) reads as follows: (Such research shall)---"be conducted in the fields of developmental neurobiology, genetics, epigenetics, pharmacology, nutrition, immunology, neuroimmunoogy, endocrinology, gastroenterology, psychopharmacology, and toxicology."

But, I do find it very, very interesting that Bob owns GE and GE owns a thimerosal plant. Yikes!! Thanks for this information, I greatly appreciate it.

But, fighting for our kids and the children yet to be born is something none of us will ever stop doing no matter what the odds are. I wish the rich and powerful would realize that if they listened to us the cost of caring for individuals with autism would be a fraction of the cost it is projected to be currently. I believe the more productive individuals we have in the work force, the better off our country will be.

All the best,

Olsen

[Guest guest]

Those are separate issues. I agree that

the bill sucks. I don’t think any autism group should support it as

written currently.

But just because one tiny subsidiary of a

huge conglomerate sells one thing that one guy in a totally different company

may or may not have issues with has nothing to do with this bill at all. they

are separate issues.

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of Kerbob

Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 9:41

PM

EOHarm

Subject: Re: RE:

" Toxicology is not in the CAA, "

Holly,

No trifling please. A promise is a promise. We were promised a bill

that clearly includes in writing vaccine and thimerosal research. We do not

have a bill that clearly includes vaccine and thimerosal research in writing.

To suggest that Bob has no idea that his company GE is

up to is trifling. He has been Vice Chairman of GE since 2000 which means he

likely acquired the thimerosal operation for GE. To suggest that someone other

than the brightest possible star of magnitude could have been hand-picked by

Jack Welch as a GE corporate head is trifling. Sorry, but I'm not having

it.

The CAA bill does not have thimerosal and vaccine research language in

it. Therefore no autism organization should support CAA.

No more trifling. Get thimerosal and vaccine research in this bill in

plain, distinctive language or walk away.

RE:

" Toxicology is not in the CAA, "

Kerbob,

Respectfully, the word toxicology

is IN the

bill. Under the Autism Centers of Excellence section, section B(i)

reads as follows: (Such research shall)--- " be

conducted in the fields of developmental neurobiology, genetics, epigenetics,

pharmacology, nutrition, immunology, neuroimmunoogy, endocrinology,

gastroenterology, psychopharmacology, and toxicology. "

But,

I do find it very, very interesting that Bob owns GE and GE owns a

thimerosal plant. Yikes!! Thanks for this information, I greatly

appreciate it.

But,

fighting for our kids and the children yet to be born is something none of us

will ever stop doing no matter what the odds are. I wish the rich and

powerful would realize that if they listened to us the cost of caring for

individuals with autism would be a fraction of the cost it is projected to

be currently. I believe the more productive individuals we

have in the work force, the better off our country will be.

All the best,

Olsen

[Guest guest]

Sure, but in general terms it is a continuation of trifling with us parents who need thimerosal and vaccine research as part of CAA to help our children. Don't defend the indomitable snowman until he's been defanged. Until he understands he has no power to bite us, and we will bite back he won't respect us nor help us.

How hard is it to sue Autism Speaks for research money. It's a good idea to start drafting a lawsuit or two. Unless this CAA is revised we aren't going to get research in our area done. There's a long list of trifling on promises from government and politicians. According to the developmental doctors with practical experience of actually doctoring on our children a very large percentage of all autistics these days are in fact mercury poisoned.

Bob and the rest of the pro-mercury world are going to take the fifth.

RE: "Toxicology is not in the CAA,"> > Kerbob,> > Respectfully, the word toxicology is IN the bill. Underthe Autism Centers of Excellence section, section B(i) reads asfollows: (Such research shall)---"be conducted in the fields ofdevelopmental neurobiology, genetics, epigenetics, pharmacology,nutrition, immunology, neuroimmunoogy, endocrinology,gastroenterology, psychopharmacology, and toxicology." > > > > But, I do find it very, very interesting that Bob owns GE and GE owns a thimerosal plant. Yikes!! Thanks for thisinformation, I greatly appreciate it.> > But, fighting for our kids and the children yet to be bornis something none of us will ever stop doing no matter what the oddsare. I wish the rich and powerful would realize that if they listenedto us the cost of caring for individuals with autism would be afraction of the cost it is projected to be currently. I believe themore productive individuals we have in the work force, the better offour country will be. > > All the best,> > Olsen>

[Guest guest]

Sure, but in general terms it is a continuation of trifling with us parents who need thimerosal and vaccine research as part of CAA to help our children. Don't defend the indomitable snowman until he's been defanged. Until he understands he has no power to bite us, and we will bite back he won't respect us nor help us.

How hard is it to sue Autism Speaks for research money. It's a good idea to start drafting a lawsuit or two. Unless this CAA is revised we aren't going to get research in our area done. There's a long list of trifling on promises from government and politicians. According to the developmental doctors with practical experience of actually doctoring on our children a very large percentage of all autistics these days are in fact mercury poisoned.

Bob and the rest of the pro-mercury world are going to take the fifth.

RE: "Toxicology is not in the CAA,"> > Kerbob,> > Respectfully, the word toxicology is IN the bill. Underthe Autism Centers of Excellence section, section B(i) reads asfollows: (Such research shall)---"be conducted in the fields ofdevelopmental neurobiology, genetics, epigenetics, pharmacology,nutrition, immunology, neuroimmunoogy, endocrinology,gastroenterology, psychopharmacology, and toxicology." > > > > But, I do find it very, very interesting that Bob owns GE and GE owns a thimerosal plant. Yikes!! Thanks for thisinformation, I greatly appreciate it.> > But, fighting for our kids and the children yet to be bornis something none of us will ever stop doing no matter what the oddsare. I wish the rich and powerful would realize that if they listenedto us the cost of caring for individuals with autism would be afraction of the cost it is projected to be currently. I believe themore productive individuals we have in the work force, the better offour country will be. > > All the best,> > Olsen>

[Guest guest]

Bob is pro-mercury. The CAA reflects his poor attitude and lack of concern for tens of thousands of families.

RE: RE: "Toxicology is not in the CAA,"

Um, Bob owns GE? Personally? Or did you mean his employer NBC owns GE?

The problem with the wording for toxicology below is that it doesn’t say EQUAL AMOUNTS. So if they spend $5.00 on toxicology, they are still doing it, so it’s ok. (NOT) They will keep on with the status quo and spend 99.5% on the same crap they’ve been doing – brain and genetics – and, shockingly, this $1Billion won’t find anything.

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of DRVOTE@...Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 9:21 AMEOHarm Subject: RE: "Toxicology is not in the CAA,"

Kerbob,

Respectfully, the word toxicology is IN the bill. Under the Autism Centers of Excellence section, section B(i) reads as follows: (Such research shall)---"be conducted in the fields of developmental neurobiology, genetics, epigenetics, pharmacology, nutrition, immunology, neuroimmunoogy, endocrinology, gastroenterology, psychopharmacology, and toxicology."

But, I do find it very, very interesting that Bob owns GE and GE owns a thimerosal plant. Yikes!! Thanks for this information, I greatly appreciate it.

But, fighting for our kids and the children yet to be born is something none of us will ever stop doing no matter what the odds are. I wish the rich and powerful would realize that if they listened to us the cost of caring for individuals with autism would be a fraction of the cost it is projected to be currently. I believe the more productive individuals we have in the work force, the better off our country will be.

All the best,

Olsen

[Guest guest]

Walk away and pound away at everyone up for election.

RE: RE: "Toxicology is not in the CAA,"

Um, Bob owns GE? Personally? Or did you mean his employer NBC owns GE?

The problem with the wording for toxicology below is that it doesn’t say EQUAL AMOUNTS. So if they spend $5.00 on toxicology, they are still doing it, so it’s ok. (NOT) They will keep on with the status quo and spend 99.5% on the same crap they’ve been doing – brain and genetics – and, shockingly, this $1Billion won’t find anything.

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of DRVOTE@...Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 9:21 AMEOHarm Subject: RE: "Toxicology is not in the CAA,"

Kerbob,

Respectfully, the word toxicology is IN the bill. Under the Autism Centers of Excellence section, section B(i) reads as follows: (Such research shall)---"be conducted in the fields of developmental neurobiology, genetics, epigenetics, pharmacology, nutrition, immunology, neuroimmunoogy, endocrinology, gastroenterology, psychopharmacology, and toxicology."

But, I do find it very, very interesting that Bob owns GE and GE owns a thimerosal plant. Yikes!! Thanks for this information, I greatly appreciate it.

But, fighting for our kids and the children yet to be born is something none of us will ever stop doing no matter what the odds are. I wish the rich and powerful would realize that if they listened to us the cost of caring for individuals with autism would be a fraction of the cost it is projected to be currently. I believe the more productive individuals we have in the work force, the better off our country will be.

All the best,

Olsen

[Guest guest]

Walk away and pound away at everyone up for election.

RE: RE: "Toxicology is not in the CAA,"

Um, Bob owns GE? Personally? Or did you mean his employer NBC owns GE?

The problem with the wording for toxicology below is that it doesn’t say EQUAL AMOUNTS. So if they spend $5.00 on toxicology, they are still doing it, so it’s ok. (NOT) They will keep on with the status quo and spend 99.5% on the same crap they’ve been doing – brain and genetics – and, shockingly, this $1Billion won’t find anything.

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of DRVOTE@...Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 9:21 AMEOHarm Subject: RE: "Toxicology is not in the CAA,"

Kerbob,

Respectfully, the word toxicology is IN the bill. Under the Autism Centers of Excellence section, section B(i) reads as follows: (Such research shall)---"be conducted in the fields of developmental neurobiology, genetics, epigenetics, pharmacology, nutrition, immunology, neuroimmunoogy, endocrinology, gastroenterology, psychopharmacology, and toxicology."

But, I do find it very, very interesting that Bob owns GE and GE owns a thimerosal plant. Yikes!! Thanks for this information, I greatly appreciate it.

But, fighting for our kids and the children yet to be born is something none of us will ever stop doing no matter what the odds are. I wish the rich and powerful would realize that if they listened to us the cost of caring for individuals with autism would be a fraction of the cost it is projected to be currently. I believe the more productive individuals we have in the work force, the better off our country will be.

All the best,

Olsen

[Guest guest]

Maybe someone should tell him about this one...

> >

> > Holly,

> >

> > No trifling please. A promise is a promise. We were promised a

bill

> that clearly includes in writing vaccine and thimerosal research.

We

> do not have a bill that clearly includes vaccine and thimerosal

> research in writing.

> >

> > To suggest that Bob has no idea that his company GE is up

to

> is trifling. He has been Vice Chairman of GE since 2000 which

means he

> likely acquired the thimerosal operation for GE. To suggest that

> someone other than the brightest possible star of magnitude could

have

> been hand-picked by Jack Welch as a GE corporate head is trifling.

> Sorry, but I'm not having it.

> >

> > The CAA bill does not have thimerosal and vaccine research

language

> in it. Therefore no autism organization should support CAA.

> >

> > No more trifling. Get thimerosal and vaccine research in this

bill

> in plain, distinctive language or walk away.

> >

> >

> > RE: " Toxicology is not in the CAA, "

> >

> > Kerbob,

> >

> > Respectfully, the word toxicology is IN the bill.

Under

> the Autism Centers of Excellence section, section B(i) reads as

> follows: (Such research shall)--- " be conducted in the fields of

> developmental neurobiology, genetics, epigenetics, pharmacology,

> nutrition, immunology, neuroimmunoogy, endocrinology,

> gastroenterology, psychopharmacology, and toxicology. "

> >

> >

> >

> > But, I do find it very, very interesting that Bob

> owns GE and GE owns a thimerosal plant. Yikes!! Thanks for this

> information, I greatly appreciate it.

> >

> > But, fighting for our kids and the children yet to be

born

> is something none of us will ever stop doing no matter what the

odds

> are. I wish the rich and powerful would realize that if they

listened

> to us the cost of caring for individuals with autism would be a

> fraction of the cost it is projected to be currently. I believe

the

> more productive individuals we have in the work force, the better

off

> our country will be.

> >

>

>

>

> All the best,

> >

>

>

>

> Olsen

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Well, the bill is also an insult to every MD pediatrician in the country. I mean they know what to do. Just tell them to do their jobs. I still strongly believe that MDs were being told by CDC to not diagnose autism for many years to conceal the epidemic. We know that nationally for years everything about this epidemic hinged on what CDC was telling clinics and practices to do. We know CDC detailed everything including what to tell parents about thimerosal. How many parents can relate to hearing a doctor tell you, "He may grow out of it", etc."

We know that MDs are aware submitting anything to VAERS is a big no-no. Look what happened to Wakefield. Can you begin to imagine the nightmare-inducing feeling of a Offit type personality in your face telling you to re-think your opinion of what happened when you gave the shot? As a result only one to ten percent of our children's adverse vaccine outcomes weren't vaporized.

CDC which to date has been a walking contradiction concerning autism obviously has cards up their sleeves. Has CDC ever examined your child before they spout about what they think?

With authority granted by CAA they can create "innovative" criteria which will broaden the spectrum where even very isolated,subtlety different children receive a full ASD diagnosis. What's it mean to rates dropping when kids that show only a tendency to stutter or kids that are just slow?

There's more that I can say, but it's time to stand our ground.

Please keep contacting the full U.S. Senate to voice your opposition to CAA.

RE: RE: "Toxicology is not in the CAA,"

Um, Bob owns GE? Personally? Or did you mean his employer NBC owns GE?

The problem with the wording for toxicology below is that it doesn’t say EQUAL AMOUNTS. So if they spend $5.00 on toxicology, they are still doing it, so it’s ok. (NOT) They will keep on with the status quo and spend 99.5% on the same crap they’ve been doing – brain and genetics – and, shockingly, this $1Billion won’t find anything.

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of DRVOTE@...Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 9:21 AMEOHarm Subject: RE: "Toxicology is not in the CAA,"

Kerbob,

Respectfully, the word toxicology is IN the bill. Under the Autism Centers of Excellence section, section B(i) reads as follows: (Such research shall)---"be conducted in the fields of developmental neurobiology, genetics, epigenetics, pharmacology, nutrition, immunology, neuroimmunoogy, endocrinology, gastroenterology, psychopharmacology, and toxicology."

But, I do find it very, very interesting that Bob owns GE and GE owns a thimerosal plant. Yikes!! Thanks for this information, I greatly appreciate it.

But, fighting for our kids and the children yet to be born is something none of us will ever stop doing no matter what the odds are. I wish the rich and powerful would realize that if they listened to us the cost of caring for individuals with autism would be a fraction of the cost it is projected to be currently. I believe the more productive individuals we have in the work force, the better off our country will be.

All the best,

Olsen

[Guest guest]

Well, the bill is also an insult to every MD pediatrician in the country. I mean they know what to do. Just tell them to do their jobs. I still strongly believe that MDs were being told by CDC to not diagnose autism for many years to conceal the epidemic. We know that nationally for years everything about this epidemic hinged on what CDC was telling clinics and practices to do. We know CDC detailed everything including what to tell parents about thimerosal. How many parents can relate to hearing a doctor tell you, "He may grow out of it", etc."

We know that MDs are aware submitting anything to VAERS is a big no-no. Look what happened to Wakefield. Can you begin to imagine the nightmare-inducing feeling of a Offit type personality in your face telling you to re-think your opinion of what happened when you gave the shot? As a result only one to ten percent of our children's adverse vaccine outcomes weren't vaporized.

CDC which to date has been a walking contradiction concerning autism obviously has cards up their sleeves. Has CDC ever examined your child before they spout about what they think?

With authority granted by CAA they can create "innovative" criteria which will broaden the spectrum where even very isolated,subtlety different children receive a full ASD diagnosis. What's it mean to rates dropping when kids that show only a tendency to stutter or kids that are just slow?

There's more that I can say, but it's time to stand our ground.

Please keep contacting the full U.S. Senate to voice your opposition to CAA.

RE: RE: "Toxicology is not in the CAA,"

Um, Bob owns GE? Personally? Or did you mean his employer NBC owns GE?

The problem with the wording for toxicology below is that it doesn’t say EQUAL AMOUNTS. So if they spend $5.00 on toxicology, they are still doing it, so it’s ok. (NOT) They will keep on with the status quo and spend 99.5% on the same crap they’ve been doing – brain and genetics – and, shockingly, this $1Billion won’t find anything.

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of DRVOTE@...Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 9:21 AMEOHarm Subject: RE: "Toxicology is not in the CAA,"

Kerbob,

Respectfully, the word toxicology is IN the bill. Under the Autism Centers of Excellence section, section B(i) reads as follows: (Such research shall)---"be conducted in the fields of developmental neurobiology, genetics, epigenetics, pharmacology, nutrition, immunology, neuroimmunoogy, endocrinology, gastroenterology, psychopharmacology, and toxicology."

But, I do find it very, very interesting that Bob owns GE and GE owns a thimerosal plant. Yikes!! Thanks for this information, I greatly appreciate it.

But, fighting for our kids and the children yet to be born is something none of us will ever stop doing no matter what the odds are. I wish the rich and powerful would realize that if they listened to us the cost of caring for individuals with autism would be a fraction of the cost it is projected to be currently. I believe the more productive individuals we have in the work force, the better off our country will be.

All the best,

Olsen