Re: Blue Cross offering $20 gift card for immunization records

[Guest guest]

WOW! I do not blame BC/BS one bit. They are paying uo

the wazooooo for BIG PHARM'S SCREW UP. I hope BC/BS

sues the pharm's who did this to our kids. Now we are

talking BIG lawyers aginst BIG lawyers and it will not

get resolved till we are old and very grey! Maybe we

can join forces with BC/BS!

--- Gretchen <gramey2000@...> wrote:

> OK, am I wrong to think that there's a privacy

> violation when Blue

> Cross offers me a $20 Wal Mart gift card if I send

> them my children's

> immunization records? Seriously...is this legal?

> My privacy is being

> violated via process of elimination.

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> What do you think?

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Just one problem... BC/BS is in favor of the immunizations. I don't

think they're going after Big Pharma...I think they're in bed with

Big Pharma. If I hadn't worked for Aetna selling insurance and

Solvay selling pharmaceuticals, I'd probably think differently.

Working for big pharma is what made me the oxymoron that I am. I

knew how to read a package insert and when I did, I wondered how the

heck these vaccines were in business. So, I think the gift card is

an effort to expose people like me who chose not to vaccinate my

children. This is where I feel my privacy violated. Anyone else

agree?

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> > OK, am I wrong to think that there's a privacy

> > violation when Blue

> > Cross offers me a $20 Wal Mart gift card if I send

> > them my children's

> > immunization records? Seriously...is this legal?

> > My privacy is being

> > violated via process of elimination.

> >

> > What do you think?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

This is very interesting. What will they do with vaccination records data? Why do they want this data accumulation? How do we know they don't already have the data and/or have used it, studied it, or provided it to someone else and are luring you into an agreement to make it legitimate?

Hidden agendas are par for the course today. I'd literally have to rent a plane and fly the entire Alaskan pipeline before I believe BP isn't using pipeline maintenance as an excuse to jack up oil prices further.

Gretchen, I wish I could be more help, but unfortunately this Blue Cross vaccination data issue raises lots of questions in my mind than I can answer.

I'll *guess* that they want to produce a study which shows something like vaccines don't cause autism by creating some sort of mirror of CDC Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) data. You may or may not know vaccines are highly favored by them because many insurance companies believe that the absence of disease spread in the face of mild outbreaks proves that vaccines are effective.

In reality like the recent mumps outbreak in Iowa using data it seems vaccines don't work very well at all. Uptake is high, but actual protection is teeny tiny.

http://www.idph.state.ia.us/adper/common/pdf/mumps/mumps_update_080106.pdf

As you can see plainly Iowa had a very significant level of MMR failure. If we can trust the stats 63% of the Iowa mumps victims had MMR history, meaning simply they'd had the shot before. That very high failure rate figure would probably be much higher since some 30% remain "unknown" months after the last case was recorded. I guess they just gave up on trying to track vaccine records. You don't live in Iowa do you?

Did you know that if anybody were to catch a cold and develop pneumonia and die CDC would automatically count this as a flu death in their statistics? Yup, it's true. Even if you never got a case of the flu at the start, CDC would still count it as a flu death. They pad numbers this way to scare people into thinking they need a flu shot to stay alive.

Read this: http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=367937 Yup. Good old sauerkraut cures bird flu and our government just gave away $7.1 billion dollars in free money to develop a bird flu vaccine, which we learned shortly after the check hit the mail already was made up. The head of CDC even said, "bird flu is a problem if you're a bird." But unfortunately she said this after Congress forwarded lots of tax dollars to the drug companies.

That's the way it always works! If you discover the real reason please let it be known, but I wouldn't cooperate for privacy reasons.

Blue Cross offering $20 gift card for immunization records

OK, am I wrong to think that there's a privacy violation when Blue Cross offers me a $20 Wal Mart gift card if I send them my children's immunization records? Seriously...is this legal? My privacy is being violated via process of elimination. What do you think?

[Guest guest]

Which is why they have our children stuck in victims' court. Everybody can hammer them in real court, but the only real victims have no voice. Keep hoping for the best, but they way they had it all planned out don't be surprised if the states got next.

Re: Blue Cross offering $20 gift card for immunization records

WOW! I do not blame BC/BS one bit. They are paying uothe wazooooo for BIG PHARM'S SCREW UP. I hope BC/BSsues the pharm's who did this to our kids. Now we aretalking BIG lawyers aginst BIG lawyers and it will notget resolved till we are old and very grey! Maybe wecan join forces with BC/BS!--- Gretchen <gramey2000bellsouth (DOT) net> wrote:> OK, am I wrong to think that there's a privacy> violation when Blue > Cross offers me a $20 Wal Mart gift card if I send> them my children's > immunization records? Seriously...is this legal? > My privacy is being > violated via process of elimination. > > What do you think?> > > > > __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Does that mean the Frist family HMO gets to sue Big Pharma as well?

Re: Blue Cross offering $20 gift card for immunization records

WOW! I do not blame BC/BS one bit. They are paying uothe wazooooo for BIG PHARM'S SCREW UP. I hope BC/BSsues the pharm's who did this to our kids. Now we aretalking BIG lawyers aginst BIG lawyers and it will notget resolved till we are old and very grey! Maybe wecan join forces with BC/BS!--- Gretchen <gramey2000bellsouth (DOT) net> wrote:> OK, am I wrong to think that there's a privacy> violation when Blue > Cross offers me a $20 Wal Mart gift card if I send> them my children's > immunization records? Seriously...is this legal? > My privacy is being > violated via process of elimination. > > What do you think?> > > > > __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

BC/BS and Big Pharma are partners in collecting this data, not

adversaries. Does this make sense? BC is not interested in hurting

big pharma, it's in their best interest to help them. It's a Big

Brother approach to find those families who choose not to vaccinate

and pressure them to do so.

Is there anyone out there who thinks this boaders on a medical

privacy violation under HIPAA?

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> > OK, am I wrong to think that there's a privacy

> > violation when Blue

> > Cross offers me a $20 Wal Mart gift card if I send

> > them my children's

> > immunization records? Seriously...is this legal?

> > My privacy is being

> > violated via process of elimination.

> >

> > What do you think?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

> __________________________________________________

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for your reply and update on MMR in Iowa. I actually live SC

and have researched vaccines for years. Ironically, I was a Rx rep

before my daughter was born so I knew how to read the vaccine

package inserts. When I looked at the adverse reactions, I was

stunned. If they were free market meds, I never would have made it

into a doctors office because of the number of deaths in their

trials. SICK! Needless to say, I'm an informed parent who chose

God's immune system over man's medicine and my children are not

vaccinated and very healthy. (I'm no longer an Rx sales rep)

The issue of the gift card makes me think they want to identify

those families who've chosen not to comply with the mandated

schedule. Maybe they want to see how many families out their are

choosing not to vacinate. I have no intention of replying to the

request. I'm just trying to see if anyone else out there thinks

this is a violation of medical privacy via process of elimination.

Perhaps its a stretch, but perhaps not. I'm sure an immunization

lawyer would know. If I find out that it does violate HIPAA, I'll

post accordingly.

Have a great day.

>

> This is very interesting. What will they do with vaccination

records data? Why do they want this data accumulation? How do we

know they don't already have the data and/or have used it, studied

it, or provided it to someone else and are luring you into an

agreement to make it legitimate?

>

> Hidden agendas are par for the course today. I'd literally have to

rent a plane and fly the entire Alaskan pipeline before I believe BP

isn't using pipeline maintenance as an excuse to jack up oil prices

further.

>

> Gretchen, I wish I could be more help, but unfortunately this Blue

Cross vaccination data issue raises lots of questions in my mind

than I can answer.

>

> I'll *guess* that they want to produce a study which shows

something like vaccines don't cause autism by creating some sort of

mirror of CDC Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) data. You may or may not

know vaccines are highly favored by them because many insurance

companies believe that the absence of disease spread in the face of

mild outbreaks proves that vaccines are effective.

>

> In reality like the recent mumps outbreak in Iowa using data it

seems vaccines don't work very well at all. Uptake is high, but

actual protection is teeny tiny.

>

>

http://www.idph.state.ia.us/adper/common/pdf/mumps/mumps_update_08010

6.pdf

>

> As you can see plainly Iowa had a very significant level of MMR

failure. If we can trust the stats 63% of the Iowa mumps victims had

MMR history, meaning simply they'd had the shot before. That very

high failure rate figure would probably be much higher since some

30% remain " unknown " months after the last case was recorded. I

guess they just gave up on trying to track vaccine records. You

don't live in Iowa do you?

>

> Did you know that if anybody were to catch a cold and develop

pneumonia and die CDC would automatically count this as a flu death

in their statistics? Yup, it's true. Even if you never got a case of

the flu at the start, CDC would still count it as a flu death. They

pad numbers this way to scare people into thinking they need a flu

shot to stay alive.

>

> Read this: http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=367937 Yup.

Good old sauerkraut cures bird flu and our government just gave away

$7.1 billion dollars in free money to develop a bird flu vaccine,

which we learned shortly after the check hit the mail already was

made up. The head of CDC even said, " bird flu is a problem if you're

a bird. " But unfortunately she said this after Congress forwarded

lots of tax dollars to the drug companies.

>

> That's the way it always works! If you discover the real reason

please let it be known, but I wouldn't cooperate for privacy reasons.

>

> Blue Cross offering $20 gift card for

immunization records

>

>

> OK, am I wrong to think that there's a privacy violation when

Blue

> Cross offers me a $20 Wal Mart gift card if I send them my

children's

> immunization records? Seriously...is this legal? My privacy is

being

> violated via process of elimination.

>

> What do you think?

>

[Guest guest]

I don't think it is a HIPAA violation because they are asking you to do this voluntarily. When you said that you thought they already mined this data and were trying to legitimize it with this, that might be closer to a violation. But in my opinion, HIPAA has done more to reduce privacy than to protect it. The HIPAA forms I've seen basically say they will do whatever they want with your records whenever they want and my signature is only required to show that they have told me so. As for BC/BC, I don't think they are paying for much of anything. They deny coverage on almost everything don't they? And since they promote and pay for vaccines they would be co-defendants not plantiffs. The same goes for the states, this is not like the tobacco lawsuits. This may be a big brother approach but I think it is more the carrot than the stick. A $20 gift

card is going to lure parents to get their kids vaccinated. Kids that have not had the same doctor and/or the parents have not kept good records will go in and get the shots including some they have already had before. We know how that goes: "We'll just make sure, it won't hurt to give it again, ..." Gretchen <gramey2000@...> wrote: BC/BS and Big Pharma are partners in collecting this data, not adversaries. Does this make sense? BC is not

interested in hurting big pharma, it's in their best interest to help them. It's a Big Brother approach to find those families who choose not to vaccinate and pressure them to do so. Is there anyone out there who thinks this boaders on a medical privacy violation under HIPAA?> > > OK, am I wrong to think that there's a privacy> > violation when Blue > > Cross offers me a $20 Wal Mart gift card if I send> > them my children's > > immunization records? Seriously...is this legal? > > My privacy is being > > violated via process of elimination. > > > > What do you think?> > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________>

[Guest guest]

As for BC/BC, I don't think they are paying for much of anything. They deny coverage on almost everything don't they? And since they promote and pay for vaccines they would be co-defendants not plantiffs. The same goes for the states, this is not like the tobacco lawsuits.

>>>>>>>> We have BCBS and they have paid for just about everything. 2 places they have not paid has been for Dr. Stanley Greenspan noted child psychologist who deals with Autism and his Speech Pathologist Diane ?????? in Bethesda,MD. otherwise everything else has been paid for including some of my DS's therapy in Branson, MO. We have been lucky. That most everything submitted including my 2ce weekly chiropractor appointments have been paid for.

Ruby

Wife to , High school American History and Gov't teacher, and political historian for future generations

SAHM to is 7 yrs old, AS, OCD, GFCFSF dye free diet. and 1st yr homeschooler

SAHM to Baby Boy due Nov. 1st

[Guest guest]

Can't be a violation if you give it up. You can get a copy of your

chart and hand it to anyone you please.

Of course, I don't recommend it. LOl!

Carolyn

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> OK, am I wrong to think that there's a privacy violation when Blue

> Cross offers me a $20 Wal Mart gift card if I send them my

children's

> immunization records? Seriously...is this legal? My privacy is

being

> violated via process of elimination.

>

> What do you think?

>