'Give' pregnant women flu vaccine

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Yikes.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5241778.stm 'Give' pregnant women flu vaccine Pregnant women in the UK should be given jabs to ward off seasonal flu, government advisers say. The flu subgroup of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) said the vaccine would help protect women and their unborn babies. The subgroup said mothers-to-be should get the jab in their second and third trimesters if they are due to give birth during the flu season. The move still has to get the agreement of JCVI leaders and then ministers. FLU Flu is estimated to kill several thousand people in the UK each year 10-15% of the population develop flu each year 100,000 flu particles can be projected into the air with just one sneeze In 12 hours, the flu virus can invade 1 million nose and throat cells The flu vaccine is currently offered to all over 65s and certain at risk groups such as people with diabetes and respiratory disease. The experts also recommended extending the at risk group to people with degenerative diseases such as Alzheimer's. If the recommendations are ratified later this year, the vaccine will be made available in 2007. In previous years there have been shortages of flu vaccine for those who are already eligible. The subgroup, led by Simon Kroll, professor of paediatrics and infectious diseases at Imperial College, London, said: "The majority of published work showed that pregnant women are at higher risk of mortality and morbidity in influenza pandemic years. "In addition to the risk of influenza infection to pregnant women, there may be potential benefits in maternal vaccination to the foetus or newborn." The sub group noted there was a risk of side-effects, but analysis in the US where pregnant women are given a flu vaccine showed this was small. Kill It recommended women who are over three months pregnant and due to give birth between

November and March should get the jab. Flu is estimated to kill several thousand people in the UK each year and affects 10 to 15% of the population each year. Rosie Dodds, of the National Childbirth Trust, said: "Pregnant women are at greater risk of contracting infections because there immune system is compromised by being pregnant. "But I think if this does happen the risks of side effects will need to be fully explained to women so they can make a choice as there are some vaccines pregnant women are advised not to have." A Department of Health spokesman said it was still awaiting the JCVI decision, which is expected later this year. Story from BBC NEWS:

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,

Thank you for your email.

The following is a copy of the response

email I sent to the BBC web site's

general comments site:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/newswatch/ukfs/hi/newsid_3990000/newsid_3993900/399390

9.stm

>I read your opinion post, " 'Give'

>pregnant women flu vaccine " , with

>interest because the safety and

>effectiveness of the " flu " vaccine is

>one of the areas if interest in my

>research into vaccines that MAY

>contain Thiomersal (Thimerosal), a

>mercury-based compound that has been

>and is still being added to the " flu "

>vaccines in the US where more than 90 %

>of the US-licensed inactivated-virus

>vaccine doses contain some level of

>Thiomersal (Thimerosal).

>

>Based on the published articles and

>the US government's published data, the

>current human " flu " vaccines licensed in

>the US are NEITHER effective in preventing

>the spread of the " flu " NOR in preventing

>anyone vaccinated from getting the " flu " .

>

>In addition, Thiomersal(Thimerosal)-preserved

> " flu " jabs have been found to be hazardous to

>the unborn child when their mother is

>vaccinated with such.

>

>Finally, there are no published reproductive

>toxicity studies that have proven the safety

>to the fetus when the " flu " vaccine jab is

>given to pregnant women.

>

>Hopefully, there are NO licensed Thiomersal

>(Thimerosal)-preserved " flu " vaccines in the

>United Kingdom or, if there are still are

>such, no one will permit these to be given

>to pregnant women because US experience, as

>reported in the US Vaccine Adverse Events

>Reporting System's database, has resulted in

>fetal damage and miscarriage after some

>pregnant mothers were given a Thiomersal

>(Thimerosal)-preserved " flu " vaccine jab.

>

>Finally, since the published studies clearly

>indicate that the inactivated " flu " vaccines

>are not effective and that the US death rate

>figures have been greatly inflated and fail

>to fully disclose that almost all deaths are

>in the elderly, I would caution you to

>investigate the " Flu is estimated to kill

>several thousand people in the UK each year "

>factoid.

>

>I make this recommendation to you because

>similar dubious claims are routinely

>reported in the US media when no such numbers

>of " flu " deaths occur (pneumonia deaths

>occurring in the " flu " season are simply called

> " flu " or " flu related " deaths without, in most

>cases, any proof that the persons dying

>actually had had the human influenza virus and

>not some other virus [like the common cold] or

>bacterial infection).

>

>In the US, the Thiomersal(Thimerosal)-preserved

>flu jab has been used as a backdoor means for

>the continued mercury poisoning of the fetus

>and children 6 months of age and older so that

>the observed US decreases in autism (autistic

>disorder) and the other PDDs (ASDs) are

>suppressed in their magnitude.

>

>

Hopefully, someone will read it and check

into the facts -- but this is just a hope.

Thank you again for all your efforts to

keep the group aware of what is going on

elsewhere.

Respectfully,

Dr. King

http://www.dr-king.com

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

At 08:09 8/3/06 -0700, wrote:

>

>Yikes..

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5241778.stm

>

> 'Give' pregnant women flu vaccine

> Pregnant women in the UK should be given

>jabs to ward off seasonal flu, government

>advisers say.

> The flu subgroup of the Joint Committee on

>Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) said the

>vaccine would help protect women and their

>unborn babies.

> The subgroup said mothers-to-be should get

>the jab in their second and third trimesters

>if they are due to give birth during the flu

>season.

> The move still has to get the agreement of

>JCVI leaders and then ministers.

>

>

> FLU

>

> Flu is estimated to kill several thousand

> people in the UK each year

> 10-15% of the population develop flu each year

> 100,000 flu particles can be projected into

> the air with just one sneeze

> In 12 hours, the flu virus can invade 1 million

> nose and throat cells

>

>

> The flu vaccine is currently offered to all

>over 65s and certain at risk groups such as

>people with diabetes and respiratory disease.

> The experts also recommended extending the at

>risk group to people with degenerative diseases

>such as Alzheimer's.

> If the recommendations are ratified later this

>year, the vaccine will be made available in 2007.

> In previous years there have been shortages of

>flu vaccine for those who are already eligible.

> The subgroup, led by Simon Kroll, professor of

>paediatrics and infectious diseases at Imperial

>College, London, said: " The majority of published

>work showed that pregnant women are at higher risk

>of mortality and morbidity in influenza pandemic

>years.

> " In addition to the risk of influenza infection

>to pregnant women, there may be potential benefits

>in maternal vaccination to the foetus or newborn. "

> The sub group noted there was a risk of side-effects,

>but analysis in the US where pregnant women are given

>a flu vaccine showed this was small.

>

>Kill

>

> It recommended women who are over three months

>pregnant and due to give birth between November

>and March should get the jab.

> Flu is estimated to kill several thousand people

>in the UK each year and affects 10 to 15% of the

>population each year.

> Rosie Dodds, of the National Childbirth Trust,

>said: " Pregnant women are at greater risk of

>contracting infections because there immune system

>is compromised by being pregnant.

> " But I think if this does happen the risks of

>side effects will need to be fully explained to

>women so they can make a choice as there are some

>vaccines pregnant women are advised not to have. "

> A Department of Health spokesman said it was still

>awaiting the JCVI decision, which is expected later

>this year.

> Story from BBC NEWS:

>

>

>

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I notice this was approved by a "sub committee" of the JCVI

That smallpox contract to a Blair crony was also awarded by a sub committee, and they refused to disclose 2 of its members http://www.whale.to/vaccines/omb.html

Ms Branigan originally asked DoH for a number of pieces of information relating to the awarding of a contract to PowderJect Technologies PLC to supply a stock of smallpox vaccine. She then asked 17 Government Departments, including DoH, for information relating to contacts between their respective Ministers and representatives of PowderJect. Finally, she asked DoH for several pieces of information relating to the work of the sub- group of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation, which had given advice on the choice of the particular smallpox vaccine strain. DoH declined to release most of the information sought by Ms Branigan and cited a number of code exemptions in justification. After a protracted investigation, beset by DoH delays, the Ombudsman recommended that almost all the information sought by Ms Branigan be released. Following a further exchange of correspondence, DoH agreed to the release of information which had already entered the public domain but either refused to address the remaining recommendations or refused to release the information recommended for disclosure. The Ombudsman criticised the manner in which DoH had handled Ms Branigan's information requests and for their failure to engage effectively with her own investigation. .......In respect of the letter of 29 May 2002, DoH: have continued to refuse to confirm the identities of the second and third members of the JCVI sub-group even though the identity of the second member is already in the public domain ; have refused to release the names of the organisations to whom the other members of the sub-group belonged, and have apparently refused to release the information contained in the document headed 'Main Points', which summarises that meeting.

Re: 'Give' pregnant women flu vaccine

,Thank you for your email.The following is a copy of the responseemail I sent to the BBC web site'sgeneral comments site:http://news.bbc.co.uk/newswatch/ukfs/hi/newsid_3990000/newsid_3993900/3993909.stm>I read your opinion post, "'Give' >pregnant women flu vaccine", with >interest because the safety and >effectiveness of the "flu" vaccine is >one of the areas if interest in my >research into vaccines that MAY >contain Thiomersal (Thimerosal), a >mercury-based compound that has been >and is still being added to the "flu" >vaccines in the US where more than 90 % >of the US-licensed inactivated-virus >vaccine doses contain some level of >Thiomersal (Thimerosal).>>Based on the published articles and >the US government's published data, the >current human "flu" vaccines licensed in >the US are NEITHER effective in preventing >the spread of the "flu" NOR in preventing>anyone vaccinated from getting the "flu".>>In addition, Thiomersal(Thimerosal)-preserved>"flu" jabs have been found to be hazardous to >the unborn child when their mother is >vaccinated with such.>>Finally, there are no published reproductive>toxicity studies that have proven the safety>to the fetus when the "flu" vaccine jab is >given to pregnant women.>>Hopefully, there are NO licensed Thiomersal >(Thimerosal)-preserved "flu" vaccines in the >United Kingdom or, if there are still are >such, no one will permit these to be given >to pregnant women because US experience, as >reported in the US Vaccine Adverse Events >Reporting System's database, has resulted in >fetal damage and miscarriage after some >pregnant mothers were given a Thiomersal>(Thimerosal)-preserved "flu" vaccine jab.>>Finally, since the published studies clearly >indicate that the inactivated "flu" vaccines >are not effective and that the US death rate>figures have been greatly inflated and fail >to fully disclose that almost all deaths are >in the elderly, I would caution you to >investigate the "Flu is estimated to kill >several thousand people in the UK each year" >factoid.>>I make this recommendation to you because >similar dubious claims are routinely >reported in the US media when no such numbers>of "flu" deaths occur (pneumonia deaths >occurring in the "flu" season are simply called >"flu" or "flu related" deaths without, in most >cases, any proof that the persons dying >actually had had the human influenza virus and >not some other virus [like the common cold] or >bacterial infection).>>In the US, the Thiomersal(Thimerosal)-preserved>flu jab has been used as a backdoor means for >the continued mercury poisoning of the fetus >and children 6 months of age and older so that >the observed US decreases in autism (autistic >disorder) and the other PDDs (ASDs) are >suppressed in their magnitude.>>Hopefully, someone will read it and check into the facts -- but this is just a hope.Thank you again for all your efforts to keep the group aware of what is going on elsewhere.Respectfully,Dr. Kinghttp://www.dr-king.com++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++At 08:09 8/3/06 -0700, wrote:>>Yikes..> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5241778.stm> > 'Give' pregnant women flu vaccine > Pregnant women in the UK should be given >jabs to ward off seasonal flu, government >advisers say. > The flu subgroup of the Joint Committee on >Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) said the >vaccine would help protect women and their >unborn babies. > The subgroup said mothers-to-be should get >the jab in their second and third trimesters >if they are due to give birth during the flu >season. > The move still has to get the agreement of >JCVI leaders and then ministers. > > > FLU > > Flu is estimated to kill several thousand > people in the UK each year > 10-15% of the population develop flu each year > 100,000 flu particles can be projected into> the air with just one sneeze > In 12 hours, the flu virus can invade 1 million > nose and throat cells > > > The flu vaccine is currently offered to all >over 65s and certain at risk groups such as >people with diabetes and respiratory disease. > The experts also recommended extending the at >risk group to people with degenerative diseases >such as Alzheimer's. > If the recommendations are ratified later this>year, the vaccine will be made available in 2007. > In previous years there have been shortages of >flu vaccine for those who are already eligible. > The subgroup, led by Simon Kroll, professor of >paediatrics and infectious diseases at Imperial >College, London, said: "The majority of published >work showed that pregnant women are at higher risk>of mortality and morbidity in influenza pandemic >years. > "In addition to the risk of influenza infection >to pregnant women, there may be potential benefits>in maternal vaccination to the foetus or newborn." > The sub group noted there was a risk of side-effects, >but analysis in the US where pregnant women are given >a flu vaccine showed this was small. >>Kill >> It recommended women who are over three months >pregnant and due to give birth between November >and March should get the jab. > Flu is estimated to kill several thousand people >in the UK each year and affects 10 to 15% of the>population each year. > Rosie Dodds, of the National Childbirth Trust, >said: "Pregnant women are at greater risk of >contracting infections because there immune system >is compromised by being pregnant. > "But I think if this does happen the risks of >side effects will need to be fully explained to >women so they can make a choice as there are some >vaccines pregnant women are advised not to have." > A Department of Health spokesman said it was still >awaiting the JCVI decision, which is expected later >this year. > Story from BBC NEWS:> > >

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sorry for the pooched link - hope this one works better...

http://www.cbc.ca/story/science/national/2006/05/02/flu-shots060502.html

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> > I really often wonder just how many people are " saved " each year

> by the flu shot.? How many would die if it didn't exist ? how much

> money is spent on it?

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