ETHICAL ISSUES RELATED TO VACCINATION OF CHILDREN

[Guest guest]

This is the problem.

These people are something out of the Emperor's New Clothes.

There is no reasoning with them.

ETHICAL ISSUES RELATED TO VACCINATION OF CHILDREN

http://www.newswithviews.com/Tenpenny/sherri9.htm

"Even though I was only able to attend the second day of the conference, the agenda for the day, "Vaccine Hesitancy and Parents Who Refuse to Vaccinate Their Children," was of great interest. I wanted to hear first hand what national experts were recommending to pediatricians and local health officials." - Dr. Sherri Tenpenny

With this assessment, he dismissed a parent's ability to read medical studies and have the intelligence and skills to decipher the information correctly. - Dr. Edgar Marcuse

Article: http://www.newswithviews.com/Tenpenny/sherri9.htm

I apologize if this has already been posted.

[Guest guest]

We love Lainie Friedman Ross.

Lainie Friedman Ross for President!!!!

The only sane person in the room.

The only agnostic from the Religion of Vaccines.

ETHICAL ISSUES RELATED TO VACCINATION OF CHILDREN

http://www.newswithviews.com/Tenpenny/sherri9.htm

"Even though I was only able to attend the second day of the conference, the agenda for the day, "Vaccine Hesitancy and Parents Who Refuse to Vaccinate Their Children," was of great interest. I wanted to hear first hand what national experts were recommending to pediatricians and local health officials." - Dr. Sherri Tenpenny

With this assessment, he dismissed a parent's ability to read medical studies and have the intelligence and skills to decipher the information correctly. - Dr. Edgar Marcuse

Article: http://www.newswithviews.com/Tenpenny/sherri9.htm

I apologize if this has already been posted.

[Guest guest]

Jenna,

Right on mom!!!!. You have put the onus exactly where it belongs, on the PEDIATRICIAN.

In fact, your questions should be made into a booklet, distributed nationwide to EXPECTANT parents, PRIOR to the BIRTH of their first child. Perhaps during "La Maize" classes. How long do you think it would take PEDIATRICIANS to begin realizing THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE VACCINES THEY ROUTINELY ADMINISTER TO BABIES?

Mom, every Public School administer who demands a child's vaccination record prior to admitting that child should be asked the very same questions.

These are the targets. PEDIATRICIANS AND PUBLIC SCHOOL ADMINISTRATORS. THEY ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE WILLINGLY ASSUMED THE RESPONSIBILITY TO "ENFORCE AND ADMINISTER" OUR CHILDHOOD VACCINE POLICIES. THEY MUST BE CHALLENGED ON WHAT THEY REALLY KNOW ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

We are always focused on the CDC/FDA/AAP, etc. We should begin to refocus our education effort to PARENTS using Jenna as our example. How long do you think it would take individual pediatricians or individual public school adminstrators to begin demanding the CDC/FDA provide them with answers to these types of serious inquiry?

[Guest guest]

Well, I now have a " counterstrategy " for responding to this line from

physicians (and I've heard it many times). I tell them that my

family is full of people (physicians and scientists) that DO know how

to read the studies and that have actually READ them (unlike most

physicians), and they think the studies purporting to show no

evidence of harm are riddled with issues.

I then say something to this effect: it is not my job to prove that

vaccines are dangerous; it is your job to convince me that they are

safe. The very little safety data I have been able to find on

vaccines looks wholly inadequate. For example, the ProQuad trials

had a 4 week follow up period, which is totally inappropriate--no one

is going to diagnose a child with autism within that time period. You

couldn't even get into the office of a pediatric

neurologist/developmental pediatrian in four weeks!

Then I give the physician the opportunity to convince me to give my

child a vaccine, and while they are doing so, I pepper them with

questions like: 1/ how many subjects were in the safety studies? 2/

how old were the subjects in the safety studies? (e.g., are they

testing 5 year olds and then giving it to 2 month old infants?) 3/

what were the inclusion and exclusion criteria for the studies?

(e.g., are kids or adults with health problems, even minor ones,

excluded?) 4/ were the study groups located in the third world and/or

in inner-city areas? (where informed consent may not be meaningful

and the person reporting side effects may not be reliable or deemed

credible by an investigator)? 5/was the vaccine tested against

placebo or against another vaccine? 6/what are the side effects

exactly (don't accept that they are " rare " -what does rare mean

anyway, 1 in 100?; 1 in 100,000?) and what was the follow up period

for memorializing side effects? 7/ how long has the vaccine been on

the market? 8/ what does the post-marketing safety data look like? 9/

how was efficacy measured and how long does it last? 10/ what are the

actual morbidities associated with the disease we are trying to

prevent? (if they say that " children die " , say How many per year? and

then How many per year die or suffer serious side effects from

adminstration of the vaccine?)

The physician will never know the answer to all of these questions

because they don't know, but the point is to put the onus on THEM to

show safety, not on US to disprove safety. I am always very polite

and professional when I have this discussion, and then I tell the

doctor I will reconsider my position if they can provide me with this

data. They never do.

Jenna

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> This is the problem.

> These people are something out of the Emperor's New Clothes.

> There is no reasoning with them.

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> ETHICAL ISSUES RELATED TO VACCINATION OF

CHILDREN

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> http://www.newswithviews.com/Tenpenny/sherri9.htm

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> " Even though I was only able to attend the second day of the

conference, the agenda for the day, " Vaccine Hesitancy and Parents

Who Refuse to Vaccinate Their Children, " was of great interest. I

wanted to hear first hand what national experts were recommending to

pediatricians and local health officials. " - Dr. Sherri Tenpenny

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> With this assessment, he dismissed a parent's ability to read

medical studies and have the intelligence and skills to decipher the

information correctly. - Dr. Edgar Marcuse

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> Article: http://www.newswithviews.com/Tenpenny/sherri9.htm

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> I apologize if this has already been posted.

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[Guest guest]

Jenna:

You are way too tough.

Forcing them to prove something that relies on witchcraft, folklore and wives' tales is a tall order.

I would never let you sit in my pro-thimerosal in vaccines treehouse!!

You'd only ask me hard questions!

ETHICAL ISSUES RELATED TO VACCINATION OF CHILDREN> > > > http://www.newswithviews.com/Tenpenny/sherri9.htm> > "Even though I was only able to attend the second day of the conference, the agenda for the day, "Vaccine Hesitancy and Parents Who Refuse to Vaccinate Their Children," was of great interest. I wanted to hear first hand what national experts were recommending to pediatricians and local health officials." - Dr. Sherri Tenpenny> > With this assessment, he dismissed a parent's ability to read medical studies and have the intelligence and skills to decipher the information correctly. - Dr. Edgar Marcuse> > Article: http://www.newswithviews.com/Tenpenny/sherri9.htm> > I apologize if this has already been posted.>

[Guest guest]

Henry:

It's just that I still have a tiny shred of hope that someone will

listen--it ain't gonna be the gov't/pharma industry, but the doctors

are truly just ignorant, in my view. I'm trying to pick 'em off, one

by one (or at least get them thinking a little). My mom is head of

two different residency programs and entertains at her cabin a lot,

so I have opportunities on a pretty regular basis to sit down with

docs and talk to them about this issue....just for the record,

doctors in specialties other than internal medicine and pediatrics

are MUCH more receptive to the message (pediatricians tend to be

outright hostile). And again, the best, best strategy (I've been

through them all) is to make THEM defend the SAFETY studies.

Jenna

p.s. To the big Pharma spies in Henry's treehouse--time to put

together some vaccine Q & A cheatsheets for your physician detailers!

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> > This is the problem.

> > These people are something out of the Emperor's New Clothes.

> > There is no reasoning with them.

> >

> > ETHICAL ISSUES RELATED TO VACCINATION OF

> CHILDREN

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> >

> >

> > http://www.newswithviews.com/Tenpenny/sherri9.htm

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> > " Even though I was only able to attend the second day of the

> conference, the agenda for the day, " Vaccine Hesitancy and

Parents

> Who Refuse to Vaccinate Their Children, " was of great interest. I

> wanted to hear first hand what national experts were recommending

to

> pediatricians and local health officials. " - Dr. Sherri Tenpenny

> >

> > With this assessment, he dismissed a parent's ability to read

> medical studies and have the intelligence and skills to decipher

the

> information correctly. - Dr. Edgar Marcuse

> >

> > Article: http://www.newswithviews.com/Tenpenny/sherri9.htm

> >

> > I apologize if this has already been posted.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Don't forget this one. Which manufacturer has the fewest hot lots

or adverse events?

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> > This is the problem.

> > These people are something out of the Emperor's New Clothes.

> > There is no reasoning with them.

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> > ETHICAL ISSUES RELATED TO VACCINATION OF

> CHILDREN

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> >

> >

> > http://www.newswithviews.com/Tenpenny/sherri9.htm

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> > " Even though I was only able to attend the second day of the

> conference, the agenda for the day, " Vaccine Hesitancy and Parents

> Who Refuse to Vaccinate Their Children, " was of great interest. I

> wanted to hear first hand what national experts were recommending

to

> pediatricians and local health officials. " - Dr. Sherri Tenpenny

> >

> > With this assessment, he dismissed a parent's ability to read

> medical studies and have the intelligence and skills to decipher

the

> information correctly. - Dr. Edgar Marcuse

> >

> > Article: http://www.newswithviews.com/Tenpenny/sherri9.htm

> >

> > I apologize if this has already been posted.

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[Guest guest]

That's been my experience as well. Not that I speak to many Drs. I find nurses generally more receptive also.

Keep plugging.

ETHICAL ISSUES RELATED TO VACCINATION OF > CHILDREN> > > > > > > > http://www.newswithviews.com/Tenpenny/sherri9.htm> > > > "Even though I was only able to attend the second day of the > conference, the agenda for the day, "Vaccine Hesitancy and Parents > Who Refuse to Vaccinate Their Children," was of great interest. I > wanted to hear first hand what national experts were recommending to > pediatricians and local health officials." - Dr. Sherri Tenpenny> > > > With this assessment, he dismissed a parent's ability to read > medical studies and have the intelligence and skills to decipher the > information correctly. - Dr. Edgar Marcuse> > > > Article: http://www.newswithviews.com/Tenpenny/sherri9.htm> > > > I apologize if this has already been posted.> >>