Re: No Autism Link-

[Guest guest]

From the article:

" Well, they [the anti-vaccine hysterics] have succeeded in one

respect - pushing autism into the limelight in the battle to get more

services. "

Hoooo...hoooo...hoooo (remember the scene from Dangerous Liaisons!)

Shame on the author for this remark. Cabbage heads, tomatoes, half

eaten corn cobs - I throw them all at her for her insensitivity and

her completely disgraceful comment.

[Guest guest]

It's a News Corporation paper.

Those people don't like to part with a dollar.

Re: No Autism Link-

From the article:"Well, they [the anti-vaccine hysterics] have succeeded in one respect - pushing autism into the limelight in the battle to get more services." Hoooo...hoooo...hoooo (remember the scene from Dangerous Liaisons!) Shame on the author for this remark. Cabbage heads, tomatoes, half eaten corn cobs - I throw them all at her for her insensitivity and her completely disgraceful comment.

[Guest guest]

That's right, there's no cover up at the CDC. Fombonne is on to us-

the real conspiracy is parents, nationwide, who simultaneously

pretended their children couldn't talk to scam special ed services.

>

> In Tomorrow's Paper

> EdmontonSun.com Thu, 06 Jul 2006 1:45 AM PDT

> There is no shortage of conspiracy theorists when it comes to

claims that doctors are in cahoots with drug companies to profit at

the expense of public health.

>

>

>

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Columnists/s_Mindelle/2006/07/06

/1670500.html

>

> July 6, 2006

> No autism link By

MINDELLE JACOBS

> There is no shortage of conspiracy theorists when it

comes to claims that doctors are in cahoots with drug companies to

profit at the expense of public health.

> It is unlikely the fringe elements will ever be convinced that

vaccinations save lives and dramatically cut the risk of catching

some very nasty diseases.

> Naturally, they will view the latest study to debunk the claim

that vaccines cause autism and a range of other developmental

disorders as proof of the ongoing conspiracy.

> Hopefully, some will come to their senses and realize how much

damage they're doing by not immunizing their children.

> A Quebec study published by the journal Pediatrics has

concluded that there is no link between MMR (Measles-Mumps-Rubella)

vaccines and mercury-based immunizations and autism-related

disorders.

> " There is no relationship between the level of exposure to MMR

vaccines and thimerosal-containing vaccines and rates of autism, "

says Dr. Fombonne, lead investigator of the new study.

> In fact, according to the research, the incidence of autism was

higher in children who were vaccinated after thimerosal was

eliminated from vaccines.

> Thimerosal was used to prevent bacterial and fungal

contamination in the manufacture of various vaccines but was

eliminated from vaccine formulations in Quebec a decade ago. (In

Alberta, virtually all vaccines used on children are thimerosal-

free.)

> " In the past, concerns about a potential link between MMR

vaccinations and autism led some parents to take the drastic step

of refusing to innoculate their children against dangerous

childhood diseases like measles, " says Fombonne, director of

pediatric psychiatry at the Montreal Children's Hospital.

> That resulted in a resurgence of measles, which killed several

children in Europe, he says.

> His study shows that autism rates continued to increase even

with reductions in the use of MMR vaccinations.

> " We hope this study will finally put to rest the pervasive

belief linking vaccines with developmental diseases like autism, "

says Fombonne.

> The study assessed the link between childhood immunization and

autism-related disorders in 28,000 Montreal kids born between 1987

and 1998.

> A greater percentage of the older children had received MMR

vaccines than the younger kids. Yet pervasive developmental

disorder (PDD) rates increased significantly as the immunization

rates decreased.

> In addition, the researchers found no increased risk of PDD

associated with a second MMR dose.

> This is the first major Canadian study to explore the

prevalence of autism. Frombonne attributes the rise in the autism

rate - now at 65 per 10,000 children aged 6 to 17, according to his

data - partly to a broader definition of autism and greater

awareness of the disorder.

> Still, the anti-vaccine hysteria continues. The staunchest anti-

immunization contingent believes doctors are mere lackeys for giant

drug companies that are supposedly suppressing dozens of

alternative disease cures.

> " They are running a monopoly and they will lie and cheat to keep

it that way, " according to one rant on an anti-vaccine website.

> Well, they've succeeded in one respect - pushing autism into the

limelight in the battle to get more services.

> The fearmongering will continue until a cause for autism is

found, says Fombonne.

> " We hope that (our) study, amongst others, will help to shift

attitudes and beliefs but ... there is a core group that will not

change but what can we do? "

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Small Business.

>

[Guest guest]

This reporter wrote an smilarly insulting piece of gargbage last year

- suggesting that anyone who refuses to vaccinate their kids should be

caned.

Several people (including myself) wrote some scathing letters to her.

My original response (and her rather simple reply) are below. I

highly doubt she will ever change her tune.

-randy

_____________________________________________________________

Thanks for writing. It's obviously a controversial subject.

MJ

On Thursday, May 12, 2005 9:45 AM, randy toni <rtoni@...> wrote:

Ms s,

You write that " It is almost incomprehensible that in the West, where

vaccination programs have long been routine, there are still a few

morons who refuse to immunize their kids. "

What's incomprehensible are the shameful attempts by trusted

authorities to avoid accountability when mistakes (FDA re: thimerosal

- " asleep at the switch " ) are made. What's incomprehensible are all

the dirty politics in the US House of Representatives and the Senate

(Dick Armey, Bill Frist) and the 11th hour manipulation of the

legislative process (mysterious riders in the Homeland Security bill,

perhaps the most shameful of their ongoing schemes to deny

vaccine-injured children and their families access to due and fair

process in the civil courts). What's incomprehensible is the use of

statistical manipulation (CDC) to water down actual adverse outcomes

from their original studies, using successive iterations and data

dilution (Verstraeten). What's incomprehensible is the continued

refusal (CDC) to allow independent researchers to access this same data.

What's incomprehensible is that those who have had the great

misfortune to experience problems with immunization first hand, can

only find seem to find the important clues to their child's suffering

by becoming researchers in their own right, as their child regresses

into some horrible neurological disorder like autism, and as the

" perfectly safe " mantra suddenly fades away and they're left with no

answers to the questions that follow. What's incomprehensible is that

time and time again, people are all dropped into the so-called

" conspiracy theorist " bucket simply because they witnessed the ugly

politics and saw what some people in high places are actually capable

of. What's incomprehensible is how quickly you drag out this

stereotype, when in fact most Canadians and Americans are no longer

naive enough to discount the notion that the pharmaceutical industry

wields a tremendous amount of power and influence over Western health

care policy (according to the Harvard School of Public Health, this

same industry spends $18 billion annually in the US - roughly the

equivalent of Canada's gross GDP investment in 2004 - on marketing

efforts alone - including direct-to-consumer ads ($3 billion) as well

as $15 billion on " sampling " and " detailing " aimed directly at

physicians). What's incomprehensible is that this same industry,

with it's 12-figure annual revenues, constantly lobbies their

political allies for full immunity from product liability, citing

potential bankruptcy as their rationale, when the truth is that

vaccine-damaged families presently seem to have little real legal

recourse in Canada, and in the US, the American taxpayers have been

footing the bill for vaccine-related injuries to date, via the NVICP,

at least for those families that could get into the program. What's

incomprehensible is that these companies can aggressively market their

poisons (Vioxx - ultimately contributing to almost 140,000 deaths last

year alone, according to Dr. Graham, FDA whistelblower) with

full prior knowledge of the potential dangers (Merck), yet language

still seems to keep showing up in otherwise seemingly innocuous

legislation, particularly in the US (several times in the last 3

years), aimed at shielding them from product liability.

What's incomprehensible is that the same heatlh authorities that warn

you about eating a can of tuna appear to have no problem with the

injection of one of the most highly toxic substances on earth into the

bloodstream of newborn babies and pregnant moms. What's

incomprehensible is the staunch defense for this insanity in the West,

even though this same poison was banned in the former Soviet Union and

elsewhere as far back as two decades ago, and even though the

licensing and use of this substance is based on one single and

apparently questionable study, done on a small group of terminally ill

subjects in the 1930's. What is incomprehensible is that even though

science () is identifying certain subgroups of children who may

be particularly susceptible to vaccine damage via genetic

predisposition to heavy metal toxicity (indicating that the safety of

blanket immunization policies has clearly not been established), we

still read in articles like yours how anyone who questions the safety

of vaccines is a " moron " who deserves to be " caned " .

Perhaps what is most incomprehensible of all is that all this takes

place in the middle of the same autism epidemic which many of the

" experts " refuse to even acknowledge as fact.

Like any (invasive) medical procedure, immunization must always be

questioned. The questions will always be answered honestly and

openly, regardless of how disturbing the answers might be. Not with

deception and lies. Not with political and statistical trickery. Not

under the thumb of one of the most powerful corporate interests in the

world. Not with the express intent of supporting an existing agenda

or avoiding accountability. And certainly not with examples of

insulting rhetoric such as yours. There are a growing number of

medical professionals, and tens of thousands of well-educated,

well-informed parents (many are medical professionals themselves)

across Canada and the US, and around the world who increasingly

question the safety of vaccines, and who do so with good reason and

with noble intent. They do so because of a substantial and growing

body of scientific evidence, and because of what they are witnessing

taking place in a generation of our children. They do so because

those agencies that should be mounting an all-out clinical assault on

the epidemic of neurological disorders on behalf of our children,

would rather focus their efforts on damage control. And before you

imply a preference for simply legislating things to the point where

no-one is even allowed to question the " greater good " or make an

informed choice, remember that it was a handful of " hysterical "

parents (Barbara Loe Fisher, Lyn Redwood), who, along with a few other

" conspiracy theorists " , shook the foundation of the almighty Western

immunization agenda, and began to expose some of the flaws in that

system. They each suffer through the tragedy of a vaccine injury to

their own child, and yet, in the face of it all, they relentlessly

sacrifice their time, their energy, and pretty much their own personal

lives in support of safer immunizations (did you read the VRAN mission

statement?). Kind of ironic, isn't it? Hardly moronic, or

incomprehensible, by any stretch. Actually, pretty much heroic, when

you think about it.

Randy Toni

Ontario, Canada.

>

> From the article:

>

> " Well, they [the anti-vaccine hysterics] have succeeded in one

> respect - pushing autism into the limelight in the battle to get more

> services. "

>

>

>

> Hoooo...hoooo...hoooo (remember the scene from Dangerous Liaisons!)

> Shame on the author for this remark. Cabbage heads, tomatoes, half

> eaten corn cobs - I throw them all at her for her insensitivity and

> her completely disgraceful comment.

>

[Guest guest]

The McGill Reporter

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> Volume 34: 2001-2002

> October 25, 2001

> New profs

> Fombonne

October 25, 2001 - Volume 34 Number 04

Fombonne

Getting the facts straight on autism

Sylvain-Jacques Desjardins | Sitting in his new office, crammed with books and cluttered with a couple of unpacked boxes, Fombonne still seems a little surprised as he recalls the unexpected path that's brought him to McGill.

Just last spring, the 47-year-old was quite content working as a child and adolescent psychiatrist in London, where he'd developed an international reputation for his research into autism and depression. A native of France, Fombonne had happily crossed the English Channel in 1993, to join London's Maudsley Hospital as well as the famed Institute of Child Psychiatry. England had called, he explains, "since it's the cradle of child psychiatry and is at the forefront of research."

So when he attended a child psychiatry conference in Barcelona this past spring, the last thing he expected was to be recruited by McGill. While Fombonne didn't entertain an initial job offer, he did accept an invitation to visit the University.

Because he was scheduled to give a conference at Montreal's Ste-e Hospital during the same period, Fombonne figured he might as well see what McGill had to offer. "Although, I had no intention whatsoever of leaving London at that moment," he says.

After touring the University and meeting several McGill researchers and administrators, Fombonne changed his mind. "I was intrigued by McGill," he says. "It's a University with many strengths, where scientific research is a priority. That seduced me, along with the fact that McGill is a place where people collaborate and seem open to change."

With that in mind, he became a professor of child and adolescent psychiatry at McGill, and a Canada Research Chair recipient, this September. He was also hired as the head of child and adolescent psychiatry at the Montreal Children's Hospital site of the McGill University Health Centre.

A second factor that persuaded Fombonne to jump to our side of the pond was that his three children wished to attend American universities. , 19, has begun his first year at a Philadelphia college, while , 16, and , 14, plan on following suit.

The impending move left Fombonne's wife, Fuhrer, on the lookout for a job. She found it, at McGill, as the chair of the joint Department of Epidemiology, Biostatistics and Occupational Health. "It seemed part of our family's destiny to move to North America," Fombonne says.

Now that the fate of the Fombonne family has been settled, he can hardly wait to initiate changes at McGill. His staff at the Children's has already been alerted that patient services need to be quickly improved "to state-of-the-art" levels.

He plans on making McGill a leader in new treatment techniques and vows to provide personnel with additional training to do so. "A strategy for implementing those changes should be completed by January," he says.

Another prime mandate is to improve services for autistic individuals, not only at the MUHC, but across Quebec, and throughout their entire lifespan. "These people and their families need our help from birth onwards," he says.

A final and essential item on his to-do list includes expanding research, in autism and beyond, at his unit. Fombonne feels advancing knowledge is crucial to advancing treatment, he says, "since I'm an epidemiological researcher by training."

Indeed, Fombonne has a history of participating in or launching monster studies. One of his major studies on depression, which linked alcohol abuse to increased suicidal tendencies in boys aged 8 to 18, was conducted using data on 6,000 subjects.

And Fombonne's work often garners worldwide headlines, including last winter, when his investigations helped refute a peer's claims that autism had risen in the past three decades because of the standardized vaccination of babies for measles, mumps and rubella (MMR). Fombonne discredited that "fallacious" claim, he says, "which was an important issue, because people who are not vaccinated against measles still die."

Armed with his own research, and using the media as his tool, Fombonne quelled parental fears by countering that autism cases had risen mostly because doctors now apply a broader definition of the disease and possess better diagnostic tools.

Some parents have raised suspicions about a link because their children seemed to be developing normally prior to being vaccinated. But Fombonne says that, in about 20% of cases involving autism, children appear to develop normally up to about 18 months, then regress and show signs of autism.

"There is no scientific evidence," he insists, "that an association between MMR immunization and autism exists."

But Fombonne cautions there are still many unanswered questions that remain about autism. Not to mention other mental ailments. "My role is to investigate, while helping to bring McGill to the forefront of research in my field, and hopefully create a positive impact on society."

No Autism Link-

In Tomorrow's PaperEdmontonSun.com Thu, 06 Jul 2006 1:45 AM PDTThere is no shortage of conspiracy theorists when it comes to claims that doctors are in cahoots with drug companies to profit at the expense of public health.http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Columnists/s_Mindelle/2006/07/06/1670500.htmlJuly 6, 2006

[Guest guest]

Excellent letter!

> >

> > From the article:

> >

> > " Well, they [the anti-vaccine hysterics] have succeeded in one

> > respect - pushing autism into the limelight in the battle to get more

> > services. "

> >

> >

> >

> > Hoooo...hoooo...hoooo (remember the scene from Dangerous Liaisons!)

> > Shame on the author for this remark. Cabbage heads, tomatoes, half

> > eaten corn cobs - I throw them all at her for her insensitivity and

> > her completely disgraceful comment.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

YOU CAUGHT ME! It was the combination of the thrill of seeing my kids

ride the " short bus " and those special passes at Disney to catapult to

the front of the line. And heck, who wouldn't want to buy diapers

for a consecutive total of over 20 years for three children? A

special thrill when you can buy menstrual pads on the same day for hte

same child! And the special looks we get at the grocery store? Can't

put a price on a sneer from a 70 year old codger or better yet, the

Mom who is buying Trix and Twinkies for her toddler. Yes, the world

of autism has offered us so many advantages that I hardly feel worthy

of the privelege.

Does anyone know how to dislodge a tongue from a cheek? Mine's

permanently stuck....

Kim

>

> That's right, there's no cover up at the CDC. Fombonne is on to us-

> the real conspiracy is parents, nationwide, who simultaneously

> pretended their children couldn't talk to scam special ed services.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Face it, the powers that be faced a serious challenge when parents

started linking autism to vaccine ingredients. Sick children.

Loving, concerned parents.

How were they going to turn these folks into bad guys?

Well, you are greedy. Your children aren't really ill. Or if they

are ill it is hereditary. Any link to vaccines is completely

coincidental and delusional (simultaneously). You don't care if

everyone in the world dies of a vaccine preventable disease as long

as you get money from pharma in your silly lawsuits.

Impressive. They rose to the challenge. Parents with sick chldren

have been successfully transformed into destructive monsters, while

the people who poisoned the children crown themselves with laurel as

devoted public servants, truth-speakers and life-savers.

Deborah

>

> It's a News Corporation paper.

> Those people don't like to part with a dollar.

>

> Re: No Autism Link-

>

>

> From the article:

>

> " Well, they [the anti-vaccine hysterics] have succeeded in one

> respect - pushing autism into the limelight in the battle to get

more

> services. "

>

> Hoooo...hoooo...hoooo (remember the scene from Dangerous

Liaisons!)

> Shame on the author for this remark. Cabbage heads, tomatoes,

half

> eaten corn cobs - I throw them all at her for her insensitivity

and

> her completely disgraceful comment.

>

[Guest guest]

What, if anything, did she have to say about the recent study that

replicated Wakefield's findings? I'll bet a big fat zero, cause no

one's got the balls to comment on science that shows a correlation.

Debi

>

> In Tomorrow's Paper

> EdmontonSun.com Thu, 06 Jul 2006 1:45 AM PDT

> There is no shortage of conspiracy theorists when it comes to

claims that doctors are in cahoots with drug companies to profit at

the expense of public health.

>

>

>

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Columnists/s_Mindelle/2006/07/06/1670500.ht\

ml

>

> July 6, 2006

> No autism link By

MINDELLE JACOBS

> There is no shortage of conspiracy theorists when it

comes to claims that doctors are in cahoots with drug companies to

profit at the expense of public health.

> It is unlikely the fringe elements will ever be convinced that

vaccinations save lives and dramatically cut the risk of catching some

very nasty diseases.

> Naturally, they will view the latest study to debunk the claim

that vaccines cause autism and a range of other developmental

disorders as proof of the ongoing conspiracy.

> Hopefully, some will come to their senses and realize how much

damage they're doing by not immunizing their children.

> A Quebec study published by the journal Pediatrics has concluded

that there is no link between MMR (Measles-Mumps-Rubella) vaccines and

mercury-based immunizations and autism-related disorders.

> " There is no relationship between the level of exposure to MMR

vaccines and thimerosal-containing vaccines and rates of autism, " says

Dr. Fombonne, lead investigator of the new study.

> In fact, according to the research, the incidence of autism was

higher in children who were vaccinated after thimerosal was eliminated

from vaccines.

> Thimerosal was used to prevent bacterial and fungal contamination

in the manufacture of various vaccines but was eliminated from

vaccine formulations in Quebec a decade ago. (In Alberta, virtually

all vaccines used on children are thimerosal-free.)

> " In the past, concerns about a potential link between MMR

vaccinations and autism led some parents to take the drastic step of

refusing to innoculate their children against dangerous childhood

diseases like measles, " says Fombonne, director of pediatric

psychiatry at the Montreal Children's Hospital.

> That resulted in a resurgence of measles, which killed several

children in Europe, he says.

> His study shows that autism rates continued to increase even with

reductions in the use of MMR vaccinations.

> " We hope this study will finally put to rest the pervasive belief

linking vaccines with developmental diseases like autism, " says

Fombonne.

> The study assessed the link between childhood immunization and

autism-related disorders in 28,000 Montreal kids born between 1987 and

1998.

> A greater percentage of the older children had received MMR

vaccines than the younger kids. Yet pervasive developmental disorder

(PDD) rates increased significantly as the immunization rates

decreased.

> In addition, the researchers found no increased risk of PDD

associated with a second MMR dose.

> This is the first major Canadian study to explore the prevalence

of autism. Frombonne attributes the rise in the autism rate - now at

65 per 10,000 children aged 6 to 17, according to his data - partly

to a broader definition of autism and greater awareness of the

disorder.

> Still, the anti-vaccine hysteria continues. The staunchest

anti-immunization contingent believes doctors are mere lackeys for

giant drug companies that are supposedly suppressing dozens of

alternative disease cures.

> " They are running a monopoly and they will lie and cheat to keep

it that way, " according to one rant on an anti-vaccine website.

> Well, they've succeeded in one respect - pushing autism into the

limelight in the battle to get more services.

> The fearmongering will continue until a cause for autism is found,

says Fombonne.

> " We hope that (our) study, amongst others, will help to shift

attitudes and beliefs but ... there is a core group that will not

change but what can we do? "

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Small Business.

>

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Yes. It was all part of my "master plan" to get my kid into special ed and get the services of MR/DD. Sorry, it's Friday Carolyn

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