Re: Re: Vaccine lot number information

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We all need to be careful that we are absolutely sure that what we say is factual in order to maintain our credibility. Although the announcement about thimerosal occurred in 1999, and the thimerosal free Hep B was remarkably already available from Merck, the other vaccines needed years to reformulate and take the thimerosal out. No one said that the thimerosal was out in 2000. I don't believe that the actual lot numbers where the thimerosal came out were ever communicated to the general public. It was phased out over several years after the announcement.

HAPI did do their independent testing fairly recently, (2004?) which showed that the vaccines they tested had thimerosal in them. We would have to review their findings to ensure that these vaccines were not manufactured in 2001 for example and were just sitting on the shelf, these vaccines have a long shelf life.

Their is plenty of outrage here, believe me, I have my moments. But we need to be certain that our advocacy faces are perceived as credible and professional, not emotional nutjobs. This morning on Imus, Sen Santorum labeled us as "difficult". We must be careful not to give them anything worse to call us.

Heidi

From: "" <cathykay@...>Reply-EOHarm To: "EOHarm" <EOHarm >Subject: Re: Vaccine lot number informationDate: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:28:03 -0500

>No one (I'm aware of) had received a response from AP until about 6 months ago when someone got confirmation that the HIB and DTaP from 2003 contained the full 25 mcgs of thimerasol. Other people (especially those asking for thimerasol content on AP Connaught vaccines administered in 2004 -- which according to the NVIC contained the full amount of thimerasol) have received form letters from AP that explain the benefits of vaccination and never address the request for the thimerasol information.<

Shouldn't this pi... off our lawmakers who were told that it was removed in 2000? This should be a criminal offense. So all the parents who opted to cave to the pressure and give their infants all the shots because the substance that has been alleged to cause autism wasn't in THEIR kids shots (think again) can join the rest of us whose children are mercury poisoned. Where is the outrage?

C.

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To be fair to Santorum, he did try to pass the autism act and help the families with autistic children.

From his perspective, he split the baby, which was an appropriate thing for him to do. He was trying to do right by us. It wasn't all manipulation. He knows this issue has to be addressed.

For us, it wasn't enough because of the damage we have suffered. Most likely, it will never be enough.

But Santorum should be appropriately congratulated for having moved the ball forward and getting unanimous consent on this issue.

And Deirdre should be congratulated for making sure the game does not end here.

Re: Vaccine lot number informationDate: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:28:03 -0500

>No one (I'm aware of) had received a response from AP until about 6 months ago when someone got confirmation that the HIB and DTaP from 2003 contained the full 25 mcgs of thimerasol. Other people (especially those asking for thimerasol content on AP Connaught vaccines administered in 2004 -- which according to the NVIC contained the full amount of thimerasol) have received form letters from AP that explain the benefits of vaccination and never address the request for the thimerasol information.<

Shouldn't this pi... off our lawmakers who were told that it was removed in 2000? This should be a criminal offense. So all the parents who opted to cave to the pressure and give their infants all the shots because the substance that has been alleged to cause autism wasn't in THEIR kids shots (think again) can join the rest of us whose children are mercury poisoned. Where is the outrage?

C.

[Guest guest]

We can be factual and we can be difficult at the same time. I'd like to be labeled difficult and more difficult and a whole lot of other labels that i couldn't care less about. I don't think credible is even an issue at this point. We are credible-they are the ones that aren't credible-the difference is that they have the political power and the money . Where is your outrage?????? Maurineelevatordance <elevatordance@...> wrote: We all need to be careful that

we are absolutely sure that what we say is factual in order to maintain our credibility. Although the announcement about thimerosal occurred in 1999, and the thimerosal free Hep B was remarkably already available from Merck, the other vaccines needed years to reformulate and take the thimerosal out. No one said that the thimerosal was out in 2000. I don't believe that the actual lot numbers where the thimerosal came out were ever communicated to the general public. It was phased out over several years after the announcement. HAPI did do their independent testing fairly recently, (2004?) which showed that the vaccines they tested had thimerosal in them. We would have to review their findings to ensure that these vaccines were not manufactured in 2001 for example and were just sitting on the shelf, these vaccines have a long shelf life. Their is plenty of outrage here, believe me, I have my

moments. But we need to be certain that our advocacy faces are perceived as credible and professional, not emotional nutjobs. This morning on Imus, Sen Santorum labeled us as "difficult". We must be careful not to give them anything worse to call us. Heidi From: "" <cathykayearthlink (DOT) net>Reply-EOHarm To: "EOHarm" <EOHarm >Subject: Re: Vaccine lot number informationDate: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:28:03 -0500 >No one (I'm aware of) had received a response from AP until about 6 months ago when someone got confirmation that the HIB

and DTaP from 2003 contained the full 25 mcgs of thimerasol. Other people (especially those asking for thimerasol content on AP Connaught vaccines administered in 2004 -- which according to the NVIC contained the full amount of thimerasol) have received form letters from AP that explain the benefits of vaccination and never address the request for the thimerasol information.< Shouldn't this pi... off our lawmakers who were told that it was removed in 2000? This should be a criminal offense. So all the parents who opted to cave to the pressure and give their infants all the shots because the substance that has been alleged to cause autism wasn't in THEIR kids shots (think again) can join the rest of us whose children are mercury poisoned. Where is the outrage? C.

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The fact that you are labeled "difficult" is perhaps the best name you can hopefully engender from Santorum.

Because it means you're not easy- as this negotiation moves along.

We are just about finished with phase I.

Re: Vaccine lot number informationDate: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:28:03 -0500

>No one (I'm aware of) had received a response from AP until about 6 months ago when someone got confirmation that the HIB and DTaP from 2003 contained the full 25 mcgs of thimerasol. Other people (especially those asking for thimerasol content on AP Connaught vaccines administered in 2004 -- which according to the NVIC contained the full amount of thimerasol) have received form letters from AP that explain the benefits of vaccination and never address the request for the thimerasol information.<

Shouldn't this pi... off our lawmakers who were told that it was removed in 2000? This should be a criminal offense. So all the parents who opted to cave to the pressure and give their infants all the shots because the substance that has been alleged to cause autism wasn't in THEIR kids shots (think again) can join the rest of us whose children are mercury poisoned. Where is the outrage?

C.

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To be honest about Santorum, He's a lying weasel jerk hopefully headed directly to his excessively high paying job where he will be prominently displayed as yet another pharma-politico puppet on the drug company trophy shelf. He's known as one of the "preservative" republicans for a reason.

His record of child neglect and bias on the mercury matters speaks for itself. Number three is full of number two (bovine).

Re: Vaccine lot number informationDate: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:28:03 -0500

>No one (I'm aware of) had received a response from AP until about 6 months ago when someone got confirmation that the HIB and DTaP from 2003 contained the full 25 mcgs of thimerasol. Other people (especially those asking for thimerasol content on AP Connaught vaccines administered in 2004 -- which according to the NVIC contained the full amount of thimerasol) have received form letters from AP that explain the benefits of vaccination and never address the request for the thimerasol information.<

Shouldn't this pi... off our lawmakers who were told that it was removed in 2000? This should be a criminal offense. So all the parents who opted to cave to the pressure and give their infants all the shots because the substance that has been alleged to cause autism wasn't in THEIR kids shots (think again) can join the rest of us whose children are mercury poisoned. Where is the outrage?

C.

[Guest guest]

I'm not arguing.

I'm simply providing observations within the context of the longer negotiation.

Santorum will be a lobbyist come January.

Other bills to come as the Republicans are picked off.

Momentum in our favor.

Re: Vaccine lot number informationDate: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:28:03 -0500

>No one (I'm aware of) had received a response from AP until about 6 months ago when someone got confirmation that the HIB and DTaP from 2003 contained the full 25 mcgs of thimerasol. Other people (especially those asking for thimerasol content on AP Connaught vaccines administered in 2004 -- which according to the NVIC contained the full amount of thimerasol) have received form letters from AP that explain the benefits of vaccination and never address the request for the thimerasol information.<

Shouldn't this pi... off our lawmakers who were told that it was removed in 2000? This should be a criminal offense. So all the parents who opted to cave to the pressure and give their infants all the shots because the substance that has been alleged to cause autism wasn't in THEIR kids shots (think again) can join the rest of us whose children are mercury poisoned. Where is the outrage?

C.

[Guest guest]

This is not a time to be timid. We need only rely on the documentary

evidence - it says it all. The facts are out there - and we need to

keep reminding everyone of the facts. We are " difficult " because the

facts backing up are arguments are difficult, or impossible, to answer.

Sen. Santorum's describing parents as " difficult " is a great compliment

and a badge of honor that I would wear proudly.

May we continue to be " difficult. "

Here are some of the documented facts about removal of thimerosal from

vaccines - a tale of delay, deceit and denial:

http://www.a-champ.org/misledaboutthimerosal.html

From a Merck 1999 press release:

" Now, Merck's infant vaccine line -- including its combination vaccine

against hepatitis B and Haemophilus influenzae type b (COMVAX®) -- is

free of all preservatives. "

To see the Merck press release, the FDA letter to Weldon showing that

vaccines were manufactured with thimerosal long after the 1999 PHS/AAP

announcement, the LA Times article by Myron Levin on the subject,

" Merck Lied, Some Say " , as well as the 1999 PHS/AAP anncouncement go to

this url for links to pdf files. More to be posted along with other

information.

The FDA letter to Dr. Weldon clearly shows that thimerosal vaccines

were still on the market for infants in 2001 and 2002.

The 1999 Merck announcement states that Merck's Hep B vaccine line for

infants will be Hg-free going forward. However, page 3 of the FDA

letter reveals that they were still selling and shipping Hg Hep B in

2000 and 2001, and the expiration date was not until 2002.

Was Merck giving false information to parents?

Many of us are aware of this but it serves us well to be reminded and

remind others.

On Aug 16, 2006, at 1:21 PM, elevatordance wrote:

> We all need to be careful that we are absolutely sure that what we say

> is factual in order to maintain our credibility.  Although the

> announcement about thimerosal occurred in 1999, and the thimerosal

> free Hep B was remarkably already available from Merck, the other

> vaccines needed years to reformulate and take the thimerosal out.  No

> one said that the thimerosal was out in 2000.  I don't believe that

> the actual lot numbers where the thimerosal came out were ever

> communicated to the general public.  It was phased out over several

> years after the announcement. 

>

> HAPI did do their independent testing fairly recently, (2004?) which

> showed that the vaccines they tested had thimerosal in them.  We would

> have to review their findings to ensure that these vaccines were not

> manufactured in 2001 for example and were just sitting on the shelf,

> these vaccines have a long shelf life. 

>

> Their is plenty of outrage here, believe me, I have my moments.  But

> we need to be certain that our advocacy faces are perceived as

> credible and professional,  not emotional nutjobs.  This morning on

> Imus, Sen Santorum labeled us as " difficult " .   We must be careful not

> to give them anything worse to call us.

>

> Heidi

>

>

>  

>> From: " " <cathykay@...>

>> Reply-EOHarm

>> " EOHarm " <EOHarm >

>> Subject: Re: Vaccine lot number information

>> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:28:03 -0500

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> >No one (I'm aware of) had received a response from AP until about 6

>> months ago when someone got confirmation that the HIB and DTaP from

>> 2003 contained the full 25 mcgs of thimerasol. Other people

>> (especially those asking for thimerasol content on AP Connaught

>> vaccines administered in 2004 -- which according to the NVIC

>> contained the full amount of thimerasol) have received form letters

>> from AP that explain the benefits of vaccination and never address

>> the request for the thimerasol information.<

>>  

>> Shouldn't this pi... off our lawmakers who were told that it was

>> removed in 2000?  This should be a criminal offense.  So all the

>> parents who opted to cave to the pressure and give their infants all

>> the shots because the substance that has been alleged to cause autism

>> wasn't in THEIR kids shots (think again) can join the rest of us

>> whose children are mercury poisoned.  Where is the outrage?

>>  

>> C.

>>

>>

>>

>

J. Krakow

Attorney At Law

2001 Marcus Avenue, Suite N125

Lake Success, New York 11042

(516) 354-3300

(646) 349-1771 (fax)

(212) 227-0600 (NYC telephone)

[Guest guest]



Channel the rage.

Re: Vaccine lot number informationDate: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:28:03 -0500>No one (I'm aware of) had received a response from AP until about 6 months ago when someone got confirmation that the HIB and DTaP from 2003 contained the full 25 mcgs of thimerasol. Other people (especially those asking for thimerasol content on AP Connaught vaccines administered in 2004 -- which according to the NVIC contained the full amount of thimerasol) have received form letters from AP that explain the benefits of vaccination and never address the request for the thimerasol information.< Shouldn't this pi... off our lawmakers who were told that it was removed in 2000? This should be a criminal offense. So all the parents who opted to cave to the pressure and give their infants all the shots because the substance that has been alleged to cause autism wasn't in THEIR kids shots (think again) can join the rest of us whose children are mercury poisoned. Where is the outrage? C. J. KrakowAttorney At Law2001 Marcus Avenue, Suite N125Lake Success, New York 11042(516) 354-3300 (646) 349-1771 (fax)(212) 227-0600 (NYC telephone)

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the party. Vaccines with Hg

expire in 2007. L

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of King

Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006

10:10 PM

EOHarm

Subject: Re: Vaccine lot

number information

In reading what Bob Krakow just posted, Merck was

still shipping and manufacturing Hg

HepB in 2000 and 2001, contrary to what they stated publicly in 1999. Which

means

theoretically it could still be on the shelves until the end of this year.

[Guest guest]

Does anybody know conclusively who's checking the vials for Hg content right now?

In California, the ban on thimerosal-containing vaccines didn't take effect until this past month. That means there is a high probability that thimerosal-containing vaccines were in full use right up to the ban. Also, what about the practices that "cut" the adult vials, which are TCVs, down to infant and toddler doses?

Re: Vaccine lot number information

In reading what Bob Krakow just posted, Merck was still shipping and manufacturing Hg HepB in 2000 and 2001, contrary to what they stated publicly in 1999. Which means theoretically it could still be on the shelves until the end of this year.

[Guest guest]

If you're merely "difficult", you're not trying hard enough.

Got to raise that decibel level.

Re: Vaccine lot number information

....Especially when mercury-free means "trace-amounts." And, "Oh, yeah. We accidentally added too much mercury to your kid's shots."Carolyn>> I believe the reason we are seen is difficult has nothing to do with> any error or misrepresentation of facts; it's that we won't go away> that is so difficult. The facts are when we quote the facts we are> most annoying, because they never have any scientific rebuttal to> scientific fact. That's what's difficult.> > As to vaccines containing mercury, I've said all along we don't know> if mercury-free is mercury-free. Who's the indepent researcher> consistently testing lots? To my knowledge there is no one. Until I> know of a reputable, respectable researcher who tests them and finds> consistently no mercury, I'm assuming it's still in most of them.> > Debi>

[Guest guest]

Some of the information being posted on the list was incorrect. I wanted to remind everyone that it is important to be factual. Yes, it is okay to be difficult, as long as you remain credible. It is too easy to be emotional and lose credibility.

From: " J. Krakow" <rkrakow@...>Reply- EOHarm EOHarm Subject: Re: Re: Vaccine lot number informationDate: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:05:05 -0400>This is not a time to be timid. We need only rely on the documentary >evidence - it says it all. The facts are out there - and we need to >keep reminding everyone of the facts. We are "difficult" because the >facts backing up are arguments are difficult, or impossible, to >answer. Sen. Santorum's describing parents as "difficult" is a great >compliment and a badge of honor that I would wear proudly.>>May we continue to be "difficult.">>Here are some of the documented facts about removal of thimerosal >from vaccines - a tale of delay, deceit and denial:>>http://www.a-champ.org/misledaboutthimerosal.html>>From a Merck 1999 press release:>"Now, Merck's infant vaccine line -- including its combination >vaccine against hepatitis B and Haemophilus influenzae type b >(COMVAX®) -- is free of all preservatives.">>To see the Merck press release, the FDA letter to Weldon showing >that vaccines were manufactured with thimerosal long after the 1999 >PHS/AAP announcement, the LA Times article by Myron Levin on the >subject, "Merck Lied, Some Say", as well as the 1999 PHS/AAP >anncouncement go to this url for links to pdf files. More to be >posted along with other information.>>The FDA letter to Dr. Weldon clearly shows that thimerosal vaccines >were still on the market for infants in 2001 and 2002.>> The 1999 Merck announcement states that Merck's Hep B vaccine line >for infants will be Hg-free going forward. However, page 3 of the >FDA letter reveals that they were still selling and shipping Hg Hep >B in 2000 and 2001, and the expiration date was not until 2002.>>Was Merck giving false information to parents?>>Many of us are aware of this but it serves us well to be reminded >and remind others.>>On Aug 16, 2006, at 1:21 PM, elevatordance wrote:>>>We all need to be careful that we are absolutely sure that what we >>say is factual in order to maintain our credibility. Although the >>announcement about thimerosal occurred in 1999, and the thimerosal >>free Hep B was remarkably already available from Merck, the other >>vaccines needed years to reformulate and take the thimerosal out. >>No one said that the thimerosal was out in 2000. I don't believe >>that the actual lot numbers where the thimerosal came out were ever >>communicated to the general public. It was phased out over >>several years after the announcement. >>>>HAPI did do their independent testing fairly recently, (2004?) >>which showed that the vaccines they tested had thimerosal in >>them. We would have to review their findings to ensure that these >>vaccines were not manufactured in 2001 for example and were just >>sitting on the shelf, these vaccines have a long shelf life. >>>>Their is plenty of outrage here, believe me, I have my moments. >>But we need to be certain that our advocacy faces are perceived as >>credible and professional, not emotional nutjobs. This morning >>on Imus, Sen Santorum labeled us as "difficult".   We must be >>careful not to give them anything worse to call us.>>>>Heidi>>>>>> >>> From: "" <cathykay@...>>>>Reply-EOHarm >>>"EOHarm" <EOHarm >>>>Subject: Re: Vaccine lot number information>>>Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:28:03 -0500>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >No one (I'm aware of) had received a response from AP until >>>about 6 months ago when someone got confirmation that the HIB and >>>DTaP from 2003 contained the full 25 mcgs of thimerasol. Other >>>people (especially those asking for thimerasol content on AP >>>Connaught vaccines administered in 2004 -- which according to the >>>NVIC contained the full amount of thimerasol) have received form >>>letters from AP that explain the benefits of vaccination and never >>>address the request for the thimerasol information.<>>> >>>Shouldn't this pi... off our lawmakers who were told that it was >>>removed in 2000? This should be a criminal offense. So all the >>>parents who opted to cave to the pressure and give their infants >>>all the shots because the substance that has been alleged to >>>cause autism wasn't in THEIR kids shots (think again) can join >>>the rest of us whose children are mercury poisoned. Where is the >>>outrage?>>> >>> C.>>>>>>>>>>>> J. Krakow>Attorney At Law>2001 Marcus Avenue, Suite N125>Lake Success, New York 11042>(516) 354-3300>(646) 349-1771 (fax)>(212) 227-0600 (NYC telephone)>>

[Guest guest]

Some of the information being posted on the list was incorrect. I wanted to remind everyone that it is important to be factual. Yes, it is okay to be difficult, as long as you remain credible. It is too easy to be emotional and lose credibility.

From: " J. Krakow" <rkrakow@...>Reply- EOHarm EOHarm Subject: Re: Re: Vaccine lot number informationDate: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:05:05 -0400>This is not a time to be timid. We need only rely on the documentary >evidence - it says it all. The facts are out there - and we need to >keep reminding everyone of the facts. We are "difficult" because the >facts backing up are arguments are difficult, or impossible, to >answer. Sen. Santorum's describing parents as "difficult" is a great >compliment and a badge of honor that I would wear proudly.>>May we continue to be "difficult.">>Here are some of the documented facts about removal of thimerosal >from vaccines - a tale of delay, deceit and denial:>>http://www.a-champ.org/misledaboutthimerosal.html>>From a Merck 1999 press release:>"Now, Merck's infant vaccine line -- including its combination >vaccine against hepatitis B and Haemophilus influenzae type b >(COMVAX®) -- is free of all preservatives.">>To see the Merck press release, the FDA letter to Weldon showing >that vaccines were manufactured with thimerosal long after the 1999 >PHS/AAP announcement, the LA Times article by Myron Levin on the >subject, "Merck Lied, Some Say", as well as the 1999 PHS/AAP >anncouncement go to this url for links to pdf files. More to be >posted along with other information.>>The FDA letter to Dr. Weldon clearly shows that thimerosal vaccines >were still on the market for infants in 2001 and 2002.>> The 1999 Merck announcement states that Merck's Hep B vaccine line >for infants will be Hg-free going forward. However, page 3 of the >FDA letter reveals that they were still selling and shipping Hg Hep >B in 2000 and 2001, and the expiration date was not until 2002.>>Was Merck giving false information to parents?>>Many of us are aware of this but it serves us well to be reminded >and remind others.>>On Aug 16, 2006, at 1:21 PM, elevatordance wrote:>>>We all need to be careful that we are absolutely sure that what we >>say is factual in order to maintain our credibility. Although the >>announcement about thimerosal occurred in 1999, and the thimerosal >>free Hep B was remarkably already available from Merck, the other >>vaccines needed years to reformulate and take the thimerosal out. >>No one said that the thimerosal was out in 2000. I don't believe >>that the actual lot numbers where the thimerosal came out were ever >>communicated to the general public. It was phased out over >>several years after the announcement. >>>>HAPI did do their independent testing fairly recently, (2004?) >>which showed that the vaccines they tested had thimerosal in >>them. We would have to review their findings to ensure that these >>vaccines were not manufactured in 2001 for example and were just >>sitting on the shelf, these vaccines have a long shelf life. >>>>Their is plenty of outrage here, believe me, I have my moments. >>But we need to be certain that our advocacy faces are perceived as >>credible and professional, not emotional nutjobs. This morning >>on Imus, Sen Santorum labeled us as "difficult".   We must be >>careful not to give them anything worse to call us.>>>>Heidi>>>>>> >>> From: "" <cathykay@...>>>>Reply-EOHarm >>>"EOHarm" <EOHarm >>>>Subject: Re: Vaccine lot number information>>>Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:28:03 -0500>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >No one (I'm aware of) had received a response from AP until >>>about 6 months ago when someone got confirmation that the HIB and >>>DTaP from 2003 contained the full 25 mcgs of thimerasol. Other >>>people (especially those asking for thimerasol content on AP >>>Connaught vaccines administered in 2004 -- which according to the >>>NVIC contained the full amount of thimerasol) have received form >>>letters from AP that explain the benefits of vaccination and never >>>address the request for the thimerasol information.<>>> >>>Shouldn't this pi... off our lawmakers who were told that it was >>>removed in 2000? This should be a criminal offense. So all the >>>parents who opted to cave to the pressure and give their infants >>>all the shots because the substance that has been alleged to >>>cause autism wasn't in THEIR kids shots (think again) can join >>>the rest of us whose children are mercury poisoned. Where is the >>>outrage?>>> >>> C.>>>>>>>>>>>> J. Krakow>Attorney At Law>2001 Marcus Avenue, Suite N125>Lake Success, New York 11042>(516) 354-3300>(646) 349-1771 (fax)>(212) 227-0600 (NYC telephone)>>