Re: RETRACTION REQUESTED ASA Signals Congress: OK to Dump Vaccine Research i

[Guest guest]

I know if my comments about the ASA were posted on the Schafer Report,

which are different from posting here, I would be deeply embarassed.

It's one thing in a discussion board, where everyone knows the context

of the discussion. It's quite another to have the entire autism

community, including the local chapters, to read those comments

without the benefit of the conversation. Reading her comments from the

SAR gave a different feel than what she had posted, it was as if she

was commenting on a public story to the SAR, not a message board

discussion. I would venture most reading think she made a the

statement for the SAR, not a conversational comment.

I don't think Lenny bashed her, either, just maybe wasn't the most

appropriate of places to put part of a cyber conversation is all.

Debi

>

> Some of us on this list don't think Lenny bashed her at all-he

disagreed with her stance. So????????

>

>

[Guest guest]

.. . .Reading her comments from the

> SAR gave a different feel than what she had posted, it was as if she

> was commenting on a public story to the SAR, not a message board

> discussion. I would venture most reading think she made a the

> statement for the SAR, not a conversational comment.

Debi,

The attribution clearly stated that her comment was made to the EOHarm

list in response to concerns from coalition members who had posted

here and not that she was making a statement for the SAR. I do not

know how to make it more clearly for you. ly, it doesn't make

much difference, anyway.

As a journalist, in addition to being a parent, I will inform you and

anyone else who wants to listen, if you are a public community figure,

as Carolyn identified herself to be, and you make a public statement,

conversational or otherwise, no matter where in public you make it, do

not then complain about it later when you are quoted, by me or by

anyone else. There are plenty of things that many other people on this

list have said that are far more embarrassing than what Carolyn said,

but none of them are public figures, so none of those comments end up

in the press -- and that's what makes quoting her in the SAR appropriate.

It would be nice if you were to show more concern about my son and

other like him who were injured and disabled from mercury poisoning in

this matter, than your concern for ASA national board members and

members-elect embarrassing themselves over their roles in it. To

others who have expressed their support publicly and privately at my

efforts to reveal the truth, I thank you!

Lenny

[Guest guest]

I had wanted to comment but was afraid my anger about ASA would be too

much for a public forum. Instead I will summarize:

-taking out the language is allowing the injured to again go without

help and others to continue to be injured

-completely denying, again, the MEDICAL evidence

-closing the door on research into treatments again

-allowing parties that are responsible for negligence to again avoid

public scrutiny

-waste money, time and our children's health

-most probably, close the door on table injury via thimerosal and

negligence/endangerment/criminal intent/causation in a court of law

-deny, deny, deny the continual science that there is evidence of harm

-again, put politics, protection and dishonesty ahead of the children

Any of the orgs that allow this to happen are perpetuating the harm.

You have to wonder why?

-

>

> . . .Reading her comments from the

> > SAR gave a different feel than what she had posted, it was as if she

> > was commenting on a public story to the SAR, not a message board

> > discussion. I would venture most reading think she made a the

> > statement for the SAR, not a conversational comment.

>

> Debi,

> The attribution clearly stated that her comment was made to the EOHarm

> list in response to concerns from coalition members who had posted

> here and not that she was making a statement for the SAR. I do not

> know how to make it more clearly for you. ly, it doesn't make

> much difference, anyway.

>

> As a journalist, in addition to being a parent, I will inform you and

> anyone else who wants to listen, if you are a public community figure,

> as Carolyn identified herself to be, and you make a public statement,

> conversational or otherwise, no matter where in public you make it, do

> not then complain about it later when you are quoted, by me or by

> anyone else. There are plenty of things that many other people on this

> list have said that are far more embarrassing than what Carolyn said,

> but none of them are public figures, so none of those comments end up

> in the press -- and that's what makes quoting her in the SAR

appropriate.

>

> It would be nice if you were to show more concern about my son and

> other like him who were injured and disabled from mercury poisoning in

> this matter, than your concern for ASA national board members and

> members-elect embarrassing themselves over their roles in it. To

> others who have expressed their support publicly and privately at my

> efforts to reveal the truth, I thank you!

>

> Lenny

>

[Guest guest]

Wonderful post again by Redhead!

I no longer wonder why.

I haven't for some time.

Re: RETRACTION REQUESTED ASA Signals Congress: OK to Dump Vaccine Research i

I had wanted to comment but was afraid my anger about ASA would be toomuch for a public forum. Instead I will summarize:-taking out the language is allowing the injured to again go withouthelp and others to continue to be injured-completely denying, again, the MEDICAL evidence-closing the door on research into treatments again-allowing parties that are responsible for negligence to again avoidpublic scrutiny-waste money, time and our children's health-most probably, close the door on table injury via thimerosal andnegligence/endangerment/criminal intent/causation in a court of law-deny, deny, deny the continual science that there is evidence of harm-again, put politics, protection and dishonesty ahead of the childrenAny of the orgs that allow this to happen are perpetuating the harm. You have to wonder why?-> > . . .Reading her comments from the> > SAR gave a different feel than what she had posted, it was as if she> > was commenting on a public story to the SAR, not a message board> > discussion. I would venture most reading think she made a the> > statement for the SAR, not a conversational comment.> > Debi, > The attribution clearly stated that her comment was made to the EOHarm> list in response to concerns from coalition members who had posted> here and not that she was making a statement for the SAR. I do not> know how to make it more clearly for you. ly, it doesn't make> much difference, anyway.> > As a journalist, in addition to being a parent, I will inform you and> anyone else who wants to listen, if you are a public community figure,> as Carolyn identified herself to be, and you make a public statement,> conversational or otherwise, no matter where in public you make it, do> not then complain about it later when you are quoted, by me or by> anyone else. There are plenty of things that many other people on this> list have said that are far more embarrassing than what Carolyn said,> but none of them are public figures, so none of those comments end up> in the press -- and that's what makes quoting her in the SARappropriate. > > It would be nice if you were to show more concern about my son and> other like him who were injured and disabled from mercury poisoning in> this matter, than your concern for ASA national board members and> members-elect embarrassing themselves over their roles in it. To> others who have expressed their support publicly and privately at my> efforts to reveal the truth, I thank you!> > Lenny>

[Guest guest]

My question is, why did anyone think this would not happen? The ASA

has *never* supported real biomedical research into autism. As well,

the gov is *never* gonna agree to spend money to investigate a crime

the committed. Am I wrong in wondering why anyone thought it would

turn out any diff? Now everyone in CDC is really happy because they

got the ASA to go along with their plan, everyone's mad at ASA, and

they get to come out, once again, with no notice of damage.

Debi

> >

> > . . .Reading her comments from the

> > > SAR gave a different feel than what she had posted, it was as if she

> > > was commenting on a public story to the SAR, not a message board

> > > discussion. I would venture most reading think she made a the

> > > statement for the SAR, not a conversational comment.

> >

> > Debi,

> > The attribution clearly stated that her comment was made to the EOHarm

> > list in response to concerns from coalition members who had posted

> > here and not that she was making a statement for the SAR. I do not

> > know how to make it more clearly for you. ly, it doesn't make

> > much difference, anyway.

> >

> > As a journalist, in addition to being a parent, I will inform you and

> > anyone else who wants to listen, if you are a public community figure,

> > as Carolyn identified herself to be, and you make a public statement,

> > conversational or otherwise, no matter where in public you make it, do

> > not then complain about it later when you are quoted, by me or by

> > anyone else. There are plenty of things that many other people on this

> > list have said that are far more embarrassing than what Carolyn said,

> > but none of them are public figures, so none of those comments end up

> > in the press -- and that's what makes quoting her in the SAR

> appropriate.

> >

> > It would be nice if you were to show more concern about my son and

> > other like him who were injured and disabled from mercury poisoning in

> > this matter, than your concern for ASA national board members and

> > members-elect embarrassing themselves over their roles in it. To

> > others who have expressed their support publicly and privately at my

> > efforts to reveal the truth, I thank you!

> >

> > Lenny

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Debi,

We all work in some or many capacities for our own children and the

innocents yet to be born. My question, why would anyone give their

time to the archaic and denying ASA? If you have a child injured by

thimerosal/vaccines, how is it possible to work for and endorse an

organization who is not as passionate as you are, for your child and

all children? There are many organizations that are doing just that.

Why not start an NAA or A-Champ group?

In addition, calling names to anyone on the list is not ok. Here is

the description of why we are all here as it seems some have forgotten:

highlights re this issue:

-issues of government public health negligence and corruption and the

various political efforts by parents to end the spectrum of epidemics

that is being revealed as mercury poisoning

-The focus is on the good guys, the bad guys, what they're up to,

who've they hurt, who they saved and what they might do next.

-be polite, not rude to your neighbors. Everyone can post anything

they want to this list as long as they are not rude in doing so.

-While the EOHarm list is membership moderated, it is a political and

public forum. All postings to this list should be considered public,

and not private or confidential statements

Description

This is Evidence of Harm, the discussion list. The purpose is to track

and discuss the progress of events as told by Kirby in his book

of the same name. Loosely, we will try to pick up on events since the

end of the book's time line November of 2004. Of keen interest to

participants are the issues of government public health negligence and

corruption and the various political efforts by parents to end the

spectrum of epidemics that is being revealed as mercury poisoning,

especially autism. It will also track the progress of the book itself

and relevant goings-on by it's author. This list is sponsored by the

Schafer Autism Report as a community service and is independent of

Kirby or the book publisher, or any commercial interests. The

focus of this group is not vaccines, although it is a core element in

these events. The focus is on the good guys, the bad guys, what

they're up to, who've they hurt, who they saved and what they might do

next. Vaccines don't hurt people, to borrow a slogan, people hurt

people. Red herring anti-vaccine campaigners are not warmly welcomed.

There is only one rule of behavior: be polite, not rude to your

neighbors. Everyone can post anything they want to this list as long

as they are not rude in doing so. Crossposting, unauthorized action

alerts, and off-topic political announcements are rude and therefore

prohibited. While the EOHarm list is membership moderated, it is a

political and public forum. All postings to this list should be

considered public, and not private or confidential statements.

> >

> > . . .Reading her comments from the

> > > SAR gave a different feel than what she had posted, it was as if she

> > > was commenting on a public story to the SAR, not a message board

> > > discussion. I would venture most reading think she made a the

> > > statement for the SAR, not a conversational comment.

> >

> > Debi,

> > The attribution clearly stated that her comment was made to the EOHarm

> > list in response to concerns from coalition members who had posted

> > here and not that she was making a statement for the SAR. I do not

> > know how to make it more clearly for you. ly, it doesn't make

> > much difference, anyway.

> >

> > As a journalist, in addition to being a parent, I will inform you and

> > anyone else who wants to listen, if you are a public community figure,

> > as Carolyn identified herself to be, and you make a public statement,

> > conversational or otherwise, no matter where in public you make it, do

> > not then complain about it later when you are quoted, by me or by

> > anyone else. There are plenty of things that many other people on this

> > list have said that are far more embarrassing than what Carolyn said,

> > but none of them are public figures, so none of those comments end up

> > in the press -- and that's what makes quoting her in the SAR

> appropriate.

> >

> > It would be nice if you were to show more concern about my son and

> > other like him who were injured and disabled from mercury poisoning in

> > this matter, than your concern for ASA national board members and

> > members-elect embarrassing themselves over their roles in it. To

> > others who have expressed their support publicly and privately at my

> > efforts to reveal the truth, I thank you!

> >

> > Lenny

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>>>I sat and listed all the things I've done in the past year on this very issue,

Before you quit the list....

I found a patent or two this year. I am not a chemist, but it looks like some of the people in Tennessee who may have fought so hard to keep thimerosal in vaccines intend to profit from it. As they own the patent over those who treat MS with a heavy metal chelator.

There are several health-related web sites which mention that MS can be directly related to mercury poisoning.

Read this first.

http://www.sonic.net/~nexus/amalgam.html

There are over 125 known symptoms of mercury toxicity. Most of them are vague and nonspecific. It is not known what role mercury toxicity may play in MS (multiple sclerosis) and ALS (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis or Lou Gehrig's Disease), however Dr. Hal Huggins, a dentist in Colorado Springs, Colorado has developed a protocol for amalgam removal and replacement, and in treating large numbers of MS and ALS patients has noticed improvement of symptoms in 91%.

http://www.pharmcast.com/Patents100/Yr2005/May2005/051005/6890526_MS051005.htm

Title: Methods and reagents for the treatment of multiple sclerosis United States Patent: 6,890,526

Issued: May 10, 2005

Inventors: Stratton; W. (Nashville, TN); ; M. (Nashville, TN); Sriram; Subramaniam (Nashville, TN)

Assignee: Vanderbilt University (Nashville, TN)

A particularly effective extracellular anti-chlamydial agent within this class is DMSA, which is a chelating agent having four ionizable hydrogens and two highly charged carboxyl groups which prevent its relative passage through human cell membranes. DMSA thus remains in the extracellular fluid where it can readily encounter extracellular EBs. The two thiol (sulfhydryl) groups on the succimer molecule (DMSA) are able to reduce disulfide bonds in the MOMP of EBs located in the extracellular milieu. Penicillamine can also be used as a disulfide reducing agent to eliminate chlamydial EBs.

NOTE: The patent claims a lot of biological stuff, but isn't DMSA being used for removing heavy metals which cause things like mercury poisoning? And didn't I read somewhere that penicillamine was used by the Iraqis way back in the 1970s to treat mercury poisoning victims, who'd mistakenly eaten U.S. shipped seed grain that had been fumigated with a mercury compound?

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You need not make it any more clearly, as I stated, I got it justfine. All I said was that the general reader of SAR won't get it, itappears to be different. If that is offensive to you, so be it.You should also consider who you're telling to be more sensitive tothe mercury issue. Quite frankly, you're being an asshole. I sat andlisted all the things I've done in the past year on this very issue,but it doesn't matter, it's not about tooting my horn. I think you'rebeing overly sensitive, you and I are in the same battle. Because Isaid I can understand why she would be embarassed does not equate tome bashing you. And, next time you think I don't appreciate you, lookat where I was on the sign up list to give you my very hard to come byfunding (as I'm busy trying to treat my own mercury poisoned child,gee, you could be a little more sensitive) so you could continue yourwork. Debi> > . . .Reading her comments from the> > SAR gave a different feel than what she had posted, it was as if she> > was commenting on a public story to the SAR, not a message board> > discussion. I would venture most reading think she made a the> > statement for the SAR, not a conversational comment.> > Debi, > The attribution clearly stated that her comment was made to the EOHarm> list in response to concerns from coalition members who had posted> here and not that she was making a statement for the SAR. I do not> know how to make it more clearly for you. ly, it doesn't make> much difference, anyway.> > As a journalist, in addition to being a parent, I will inform you and> anyone else who wants to listen, if you are a public community figure,> as Carolyn identified herself to be, and you make a public statement,> conversational or otherwise, no matter where in public you make it, do> not then complain about it later when you are quoted, by me or by> anyone else. There are plenty of things that many other people on this> list have said that are far more embarrassing than what Carolyn said,> but none of them are public figures, so none of those comments end up> in the press -- and that's what makes quoting her in the SARappropriate. > > It would be nice if you were to show more concern about my son and> other like him who were injured and disabled from mercury poisoning in> this matter, than your concern for ASA national board members and> members-elect embarrassing themselves over their roles in it. To> others who have expressed their support publicly and privately at my> efforts to reveal the truth, I thank you!> > Lenny>

[Guest guest]

Why am I a member of my local ASA? Because our local chapter pays for

speakers from all over the nation to come to our local citizens. Most

of the people here would never have the opportunity to hear the

conferences, which are equally given to education and biomedical. They

have support groups and/or try to coordinate support groups across the

region. They try to help school districts get the training and

resources they need to know how to work with kids with autism. They

are constantly looking for new ways to help families on a local level,

the only thing preventing more services is the lack of parental

support. In addition, the local ASA has name recognition. I tried to

start a new org. There is power in numbers, and name recognition. On a

local level very few know of the NAA and aren't interested in

supporting a PAC like A-Champ, we get little help in this region

politically as it is.

I sent Lenny an email and apoligized to him for calling him a name. It

was very negative of me and futher explained to him that I don't

understand his provocation of my not being sensitive to him having a

mercury poisoned child. Hello, what do I have? Lol. I was in Atlanta

myself, and goodness he knows how much I tried to get thimerosal

legislation passed in my state. I've held my child and cried to sleep

over her condition like everyone else. Why does my stating I

understand why Carolyn would be embarassed equate to not being

sensitive to someone else's situation, which is essentially the same

as mine?

Nonetheless, I should not have continued to escalate, for that I'm sorry.

Debi

> > >

> > > . . .Reading her comments from the

> > > > SAR gave a different feel than what she had posted, it was as

if she

> > > > was commenting on a public story to the SAR, not a message board

> > > > discussion. I would venture most reading think she made a the

> > > > statement for the SAR, not a conversational comment.

> > >

> > > Debi,

> > > The attribution clearly stated that her comment was made to the

EOHarm

> > > list in response to concerns from coalition members who had posted

> > > here and not that she was making a statement for the SAR. I do not

> > > know how to make it more clearly for you. ly, it doesn't make

> > > much difference, anyway.

> > >

> > > As a journalist, in addition to being a parent, I will inform

you and

> > > anyone else who wants to listen, if you are a public community

figure,

> > > as Carolyn identified herself to be, and you make a public

statement,

> > > conversational or otherwise, no matter where in public you make

it, do

> > > not then complain about it later when you are quoted, by me or by

> > > anyone else. There are plenty of things that many other people

on this

> > > list have said that are far more embarrassing than what Carolyn

said,

> > > but none of them are public figures, so none of those comments

end up

> > > in the press -- and that's what makes quoting her in the SAR

> > appropriate.

> > >

> > > It would be nice if you were to show more concern about my son and

> > > other like him who were injured and disabled from mercury

poisoning in

> > > this matter, than your concern for ASA national board members and

> > > members-elect embarrassing themselves over their roles in it. To

> > > others who have expressed their support publicly and privately at my

> > > efforts to reveal the truth, I thank you!

> > >

> > > Lenny

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks , I'm aware of multiple ways those who fought against the

bill are profiting, but what do you do with it? Keep the file

expanding and wait on the prosecutor who's willing to take it on?

Debi

> >

> > . . .Reading her comments from the

> > > SAR gave a different feel than what she had posted, it was as

if she

> > > was commenting on a public story to the SAR, not a message board

> > > discussion. I would venture most reading think she made a the

> > > statement for the SAR, not a conversational comment.

> >

> > Debi,

> > The attribution clearly stated that her comment was made to the

EOHarm

> > list in response to concerns from coalition members who had posted

> > here and not that she was making a statement for the SAR. I do not

> > know how to make it more clearly for you. ly, it doesn't make

> > much difference, anyway.

> >

> > As a journalist, in addition to being a parent, I will inform

you and

> > anyone else who wants to listen, if you are a public community

figure,

> > as Carolyn identified herself to be, and you make a public

statement,

> > conversational or otherwise, no matter where in public you make

it, do

> > not then complain about it later when you are quoted, by me or by

> > anyone else. There are plenty of things that many other people

on this

> > list have said that are far more embarrassing than what Carolyn

said,

> > but none of them are public figures, so none of those comments

end up

> > in the press -- and that's what makes quoting her in the SAR

> appropriate.

> >

> > It would be nice if you were to show more concern about my son and

> > other like him who were injured and disabled from mercury

poisoning in

> > this matter, than your concern for ASA national board members and

> > members-elect embarrassing themselves over their roles in it. To

> > others who have expressed their support publicly and privately at my

> > efforts to reveal the truth, I thank you!

> >

> > Lenny

> >

>

[Guest guest]

To piggyback on what Debi has said (thanks Debi) -

Why do I RUN an ASA chapter for the past 10 years? I've done all of

what she has listed below along with the help of only 1 other

person. I also started 2 social skills programs that are free to

parents, which runs the entire spectrum and age ranges.

What many of you don't know about the ASA is this: We local

chapters do not send any money to the national. They do not give us

any money in return. It's almost as if they are their own chapter

and do their own thing, while the same goes for us chapters. They

do not support us in any way. In fact we have to buy our own

awarness materials from them, or make our own. We don't pay to use

logos, nor did the national receive any money when we became

incorporated. They also have no say in what other groups we

support, such as NAA, or A-champ or any of the others.

Knowing that I don't receive money from them, I can sleep a little

better at night, because I only practice their options policy and

stay away from the political end with the ASA.

I hope this clears it all up. I have sent on all the angry

comments, without names, places or where I got it from to the ASA,

where they are probably discussing it today at the national

conference.

Sally Colletti, President/CEO

Central NY Autism Society of America

www.cnyasa.org

> > > >

> > > > . . .Reading her comments from the

> > > > > SAR gave a different feel than what she had posted, it was

as

> if she

> > > > > was commenting on a public story to the SAR, not a message

board

> > > > > discussion. I would venture most reading think she made a

the

> > > > > statement for the SAR, not a conversational comment.

> > > >

> > > > Debi,

> > > > The attribution clearly stated that her comment was made to

the

> EOHarm

> > > > list in response to concerns from coalition members who had

posted

> > > > here and not that she was making a statement for the SAR. I

do not

> > > > know how to make it more clearly for you. ly, it

doesn't make

> > > > much difference, anyway.

> > > >

> > > > As a journalist, in addition to being a parent, I will inform

> you and

> > > > anyone else who wants to listen, if you are a public

community

> figure,

> > > > as Carolyn identified herself to be, and you make a public

> statement,

> > > > conversational or otherwise, no matter where in public you

make

> it, do

> > > > not then complain about it later when you are quoted, by me

or by

> > > > anyone else. There are plenty of things that many other

people

> on this

> > > > list have said that are far more embarrassing than what

Carolyn

> said,

> > > > but none of them are public figures, so none of those

comments

> end up

> > > > in the press -- and that's what makes quoting her in the SAR

> > > appropriate.

> > > >

> > > > It would be nice if you were to show more concern about my

son and

> > > > other like him who were injured and disabled from mercury

> poisoning in

> > > > this matter, than your concern for ASA national board

members and

> > > > members-elect embarrassing themselves over their roles in

it. To

> > > > others who have expressed their support publicly and

privately at my

> > > > efforts to reveal the truth, I thank you!

> > > >

> > > > Lenny

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

First, I think this information needs to be looked at indepth. You have to ask yourself what is really going on.

I can tell you how I thought of this.

It's a floor wax!

It's a dessert topping!

No, it's a floor wax.

It's a dessert topping you cow!

Hey, hold on there New Shimmer is a floor wax *and* a dessert topping.

The patent claim is DMSA is reacting with a bug Vandy seems to think is causing MS symptoms, but we all know DMSA is a heavy metal chelator. I also would caution DMSA is an excellent chelator so that means Vandy better not use it on MS people who still have dental amalgams in.

Re: RETRACTION REQUESTED ASA Signals Congress: OK to Dump Vaccine Research i

Thanks , I'm aware of multiple ways those who fought against thebill are profiting, but what do you do with it? Keep the fileexpanding and wait on the prosecutor who's willing to take it on?Debi> > > > . . .Reading her comments from the> > > SAR gave a different feel than what she had posted, it was asif she> > > was commenting on a public story to the SAR, not a message board> > > discussion. I would venture most reading think she made a the> > > statement for the SAR, not a conversational comment.> > > > Debi, > > The attribution clearly stated that her comment was made to theEOHarm> > list in response to concerns from coalition members who had posted> > here and not that she was making a statement for the SAR. I do not> > know how to make it more clearly for you. ly, it doesn't make> > much difference, anyway.> > > > As a journalist, in addition to being a parent, I will informyou and> > anyone else who wants to listen, if you are a public communityfigure,> > as Carolyn identified herself to be, and you make a publicstatement,> > conversational or otherwise, no matter where in public you makeit, do> > not then complain about it later when you are quoted, by me or by> > anyone else. There are plenty of things that many other peopleon this> > list have said that are far more embarrassing than what Carolynsaid,> > but none of them are public figures, so none of those commentsend up> > in the press -- and that's what makes quoting her in the SAR> appropriate. > > > > It would be nice if you were to show more concern about my son and> > other like him who were injured and disabled from mercurypoisoning in> > this matter, than your concern for ASA national board members and> > members-elect embarrassing themselves over their roles in it. To> > others who have expressed their support publicly and privately at my> > efforts to reveal the truth, I thank you!> > > > Lenny> >>

[Guest guest]

Yeah. Vandy also held a 2 or 3 day press conference (if I remember my

facts correctly) just before the thimerosal bill was up for vote in

committee. The entire press conference was about how vaccines can't

possible cause autism, how it has to be genes and genes alone.

And Vandy actually has autism families going there for treatment. I

wouldn't send my cat, who had a vaccine reaction, to Vanderbilt for

treatment.

Debi

> > >

> > > . . .Reading her comments from the

> > > > SAR gave a different feel than what she had posted, it was as

> if she

> > > > was commenting on a public story to the SAR, not a message board

> > > > discussion. I would venture most reading think she made a the

> > > > statement for the SAR, not a conversational comment.

> > >

> > > Debi,

> > > The attribution clearly stated that her comment was made to the

> EOHarm

> > > list in response to concerns from coalition members who had posted

> > > here and not that she was making a statement for the SAR. I do not

> > > know how to make it more clearly for you. ly, it doesn't make

> > > much difference, anyway.

> > >

> > > As a journalist, in addition to being a parent, I will inform

> you and

> > > anyone else who wants to listen, if you are a public community

> figure,

> > > as Carolyn identified herself to be, and you make a public

> statement,

> > > conversational or otherwise, no matter where in public you make

> it, do

> > > not then complain about it later when you are quoted, by me or by

> > > anyone else. There are plenty of things that many other people

> on this

> > > list have said that are far more embarrassing than what Carolyn

> said,

> > > but none of them are public figures, so none of those comments

> end up

> > > in the press -- and that's what makes quoting her in the SAR

> > appropriate.

> > >

> > > It would be nice if you were to show more concern about my son and

> > > other like him who were injured and disabled from mercury

> poisoning in

> > > this matter, than your concern for ASA national board members and

> > > members-elect embarrassing themselves over their roles in it. To

> > > others who have expressed their support publicly and privately

at my

> > > efforts to reveal the truth, I thank you!

> > >

> > > Lenny

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Debi,

For the email clearing the air. Your passion and energy is an asset

to all of us trying to make things happen. Thanks for being here.

Lenny

> > > >

> > > > . . .Reading her comments from the

> > > > > SAR gave a different feel than what she had posted, it was as

> if she

> > > > > was commenting on a public story to the SAR, not a message board

> > > > > discussion. I would venture most reading think she made a the

> > > > > statement for the SAR, not a conversational comment.

> > > >

> > > > Debi,

> > > > The attribution clearly stated that her comment was made to the

> EOHarm

> > > > list in response to concerns from coalition members who had posted

> > > > here and not that she was making a statement for the SAR. I do not

> > > > know how to make it more clearly for you. ly, it doesn't make

> > > > much difference, anyway.

> > > >

> > > > As a journalist, in addition to being a parent, I will inform

> you and

> > > > anyone else who wants to listen, if you are a public community

> figure,

> > > > as Carolyn identified herself to be, and you make a public

> statement,

> > > > conversational or otherwise, no matter where in public you make

> it, do

> > > > not then complain about it later when you are quoted, by me or by

> > > > anyone else. There are plenty of things that many other people

> on this

> > > > list have said that are far more embarrassing than what Carolyn

> said,

> > > > but none of them are public figures, so none of those comments

> end up

> > > > in the press -- and that's what makes quoting her in the SAR

> > > appropriate.

> > > >

> > > > It would be nice if you were to show more concern about my son and

> > > > other like him who were injured and disabled from mercury

> poisoning in

> > > > this matter, than your concern for ASA national board members and

> > > > members-elect embarrassing themselves over their roles in it. To

> > > > others who have expressed their support publicly and privately

at my

> > > > efforts to reveal the truth, I thank you!

> > > >

> > > > Lenny

> > > >

> > >

> >

>