Guest guest Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4876226,00.html Piecing together serial killer puzzle Psychiatrists, others find commonality in criminals' minds Ridgway, the Green River Killer: 48 STORY TOOLS Email this story | Print By Lou Kilzer, Rocky Mountain News July 28, 2006 One thing they almost all have in common is an intense, out-of-control fantasy life that involves sex. But that alone doesn't explain why they kill. Forensic psychiatrists are digging deep to find what else makes serial killers kill. And they say what was old hat yesterday is being challenged or modified today. Dr. Arturo Silva, of San , Calif., is in the middle of a study of 50 of the nation's most prolific killers. He says he has spotted something intriguing: autism. Not in all, he says, but some. And many of the others are borderline. Silva says he finds two distinct groups - those who are withdrawn and disorganized, with longstanding social problems, like Henry Lee Lucas. Others appear to function well in society, including Ted Bundy, Wayne Gacy and the BTK killer, Dennis Rader. But once you get to know them, even this second group, you would get the impression that they "are kind of weird," said Silva. "You would say, 'This guy is off the wall.' " He says the killers have some traits shared with most males: They tend to "deconstruct" objects and are more at ease in understanding those objects rather than emotions. Except that serial killers end up deconstructing women. For Johanna Gallers, a Denver psychologist and criminal profiler, some things are clear: Serial killers are psychopaths - they feel no remorse. And they have something physically wrong in an area in the brain called the amygdala, where emotions are directed, she says. "They seek power and control," she said, "over life and death." Gallers says they often have some traits in common as children: cruelty to animals, fire-setting and bed- wetting in later childhood. California forensic psychiatrist Mohan Nair is not so certain all serial killer feel no remorse. Some can, he believes. But then the sexual fantasy takes over. He says that one theory is that many were terrorized and abused as children, and they later try to recreate that scene of terror. And in some cases, as with Browne, in which they appear to randomly pick their victims, there is still some order to the madness. Nair says that even when a specific victim is not stalked, a fantasy is. "If a person decides to do a school girl at 7:30 a.m., that kind of scene will be thought of again and again." One frightening thing, he says, is that people like Browne - who claims 49 victims - do not frequently exaggerate. Bad company Browne's claimed 49 killings, if true, would rank him among the worst serial killers in this country in modern times. Among the others and their victim count: Ted Bundy: 20+ (Some say it may be as high as 35) Dahmer: 17 Wayne Gacy: 33 Dennis Rader, the BTK Killer: 10 Ridgway, the Green River Killer: 48 kilzerl@... or 303-892-2644 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 http://www.whale.to/b/serial_killers_h.html Piecing together serial killer puzzle - (autism blamed!!) http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4876226,00.html Piecing together serial killer puzzle Psychiatrists, others find commonality in criminals' minds Ridgway, the Green River Killer: 48 STORY TOOLS Email this story | Print By Lou Kilzer, Rocky Mountain News July 28, 2006 One thing they almost all have in common is an intense, out-of-control fantasy life that involves sex. But that alone doesn't explain why they kill. Forensic psychiatrists are digging deep to find what else makes serial killers kill. And they say what was old hat yesterday is being challenged or modified today. Dr. Arturo Silva, of San , Calif., is in the middle of a study of 50 of the nation's most prolific killers. He says he has spotted something intriguing: autism. Not in all, he says, but some. And many of the others are borderline. Silva says he finds two distinct groups - those who are withdrawn and disorganized, with longstanding social problems, like Henry Lee Lucas. Others appear to function well in society, including Ted Bundy, Wayne Gacy and the BTK killer, Dennis Rader. But once you get to know them, even this second group, you would get the impression that they "are kind of weird," said Silva. "You would say, 'This guy is off the wall.' " He says the killers have some traits shared with most males: They tend to "deconstruct" objects and are more at ease in understanding those objects rather than emotions. Except that serial killers end up deconstructing women. For Johanna Gallers, a Denver psychologist and criminal profiler, some things are clear: Serial killers are psychopaths - they feel no remorse. And they have something physically wrong in an area in the brain called the amygdala, where emotions are directed, she says. "They seek power and control," she said, "over life and death." Gallers says they often have some traits in common as children: cruelty to animals, fire-setting and bed- wetting in later childhood. California forensic psychiatrist Mohan Nair is not so certain all serial killer feel no remorse. Some can, he believes. But then the sexual fantasy takes over. He says that one theory is that many were terrorized and abused as children, and they later try to recreate that scene of terror. And in some cases, as with Browne, in which they appear to randomly pick their victims, there is still some order to the madness. Nair says that even when a specific victim is not stalked, a fantasy is. "If a person decides to do a school girl at 7:30 a.m., that kind of scene will be thought of again and again." One frightening thing, he says, is that people like Browne - who claims 49 victims - do not frequently exaggerate. Bad company Browne's claimed 49 killings, if true, would rank him among the worst serial killers in this country in modern times. Among the others and their victim count: Ted Bundy: 20+ (Some say it may be as high as 35) Dahmer: 17 Wayne Gacy: 33 Dennis Rader, the BTK Killer: 10 Ridgway, the Green River Killer: 48 kilzerlRockyMountainNews or 303-892-2644 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.4/402 - Release Date: 27/07/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 There is a HUGE difference between a schizoid personality and autism. > > > http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_48762\ > 26,00.html > <http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4876\ > 226,00.html> > Piecing together serial killer puzzle Psychiatrists, others find > commonality in criminals' minds > [http://mas.scripps.com/DRMN/2006/07/28/4655158-_o.jpg] > Ridgway, the Green River Killer: 48 STORY TOOLS Email this story | > Print By Lou Kilzer, Rocky Mountain News > July 28, 2006 One thing they almost all have in common is an intense, > out-of-control fantasy life that involves sex. > But that alone doesn't explain why they kill. > Forensic psychiatrists are digging deep to find what else makes serial > killers kill. And they say what was old hat yesterday is being > challenged or modified today. > Dr. Arturo Silva, of San , Calif., is in the middle of a study of 50 > of the nation's most prolific killers. He says he has spotted something > intriguing: autism. > Not in all, he says, but some. And many of the others are borderline. > Silva says he finds two distinct groups - those who are withdrawn and > disorganized, with longstanding social problems, like Henry Lee Lucas. > Others appear to function well in society, including Ted Bundy, > Wayne Gacy and the BTK killer, Dennis Rader. > But once you get to know them, even this second group, you would get the > impression that they " are kind of weird, " said Silva. " You would say, > 'This guy is off the wall.' " > He says the killers have some traits shared with most males: They tend > to " deconstruct " objects and are more at ease in understanding those > objects rather than emotions. > Except that serial killers end up deconstructing women. > For Johanna Gallers, a Denver psychologist and criminal profiler, some > things are clear: Serial killers are psychopaths - they feel no remorse. > And they have something physically wrong in an area in the brain called > the amygdala, where emotions are directed, she says. > " They seek power and control, " she said, " over life and death. " > Gallers says they often have some traits in common as children: cruelty > to animals, fire-setting and bed- wetting in later childhood. > California forensic psychiatrist Mohan Nair is not so certain all serial > killer feel no remorse. Some can, he believes. > But then the sexual fantasy takes over. He says that one theory is that > many were terrorized and abused as children, and they later try to > recreate that scene of terror. > And in some cases, as with Browne, in which they appear > to randomly pick their victims, there is still some order to the > madness. > Nair says that even when a specific victim is not stalked, a fantasy is. > " If a person decides to do a school girl at 7:30 a.m., that kind of > scene will be thought of again and again. " > One frightening thing, he says, is that people like Browne - who claims > 49 victims - do not frequently exaggerate. > Bad company > Browne's claimed 49 killings, if true, would rank him > among the worst serial killers in this country in modern times. Among > the others and their victim count: > Ted Bundy: 20+ (Some say it may be as high as 35) > Dahmer: 17 > Wayne Gacy: 33 > Dennis Rader, the BTK Killer: 10 > Ridgway, the Green River Killer: 48 > kilzerl@... <mailto:kilzerl@...> or > 303-892-2644 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Oh my God! First of all, I doubt that any of the killers he named had ever been diagnosed with autism. Ted Bundy could not have been in my opinion. I heard his interview done shortly before his execution. He was much to articulate and savvy to have autism. That they are saying such things about men with autism does not surprise me though. C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 This is a bunch of B.S. Serial killers are cold and calculating. People with autism are very loving. Psychopaths are not the same as people with autism. I'm sick of the " autism made me do it " scenario defense attorneys are using more and more. We HAVE to get autism out of the DSM-IV!!! Debi > > > http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_48762\ > 26,00.html > <http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4876\ > 226,00.html> > Piecing together serial killer puzzle Psychiatrists, others find > commonality in criminals' minds > [http://mas.scripps.com/DRMN/2006/07/28/4655158-_o.jpg] > Ridgway, the Green River Killer: 48 STORY TOOLS Email this story | > Print By Lou Kilzer, Rocky Mountain News > July 28, 2006 One thing they almost all have in common is an intense, > out-of-control fantasy life that involves sex. > But that alone doesn't explain why they kill. > Forensic psychiatrists are digging deep to find what else makes serial > killers kill. And they say what was old hat yesterday is being > challenged or modified today. > Dr. Arturo Silva, of San , Calif., is in the middle of a study of 50 > of the nation's most prolific killers. He says he has spotted something > intriguing: autism. > Not in all, he says, but some. And many of the others are borderline. > Silva says he finds two distinct groups - those who are withdrawn and > disorganized, with longstanding social problems, like Henry Lee Lucas. > Others appear to function well in society, including Ted Bundy, > Wayne Gacy and the BTK killer, Dennis Rader. > But once you get to know them, even this second group, you would get the > impression that they " are kind of weird, " said Silva. " You would say, > 'This guy is off the wall.' " > He says the killers have some traits shared with most males: They tend > to " deconstruct " objects and are more at ease in understanding those > objects rather than emotions. > Except that serial killers end up deconstructing women. > For Johanna Gallers, a Denver psychologist and criminal profiler, some > things are clear: Serial killers are psychopaths - they feel no remorse. > And they have something physically wrong in an area in the brain called > the amygdala, where emotions are directed, she says. > " They seek power and control, " she said, " over life and death. " > Gallers says they often have some traits in common as children: cruelty > to animals, fire-setting and bed- wetting in later childhood. > California forensic psychiatrist Mohan Nair is not so certain all serial > killer feel no remorse. Some can, he believes. > But then the sexual fantasy takes over. He says that one theory is that > many were terrorized and abused as children, and they later try to > recreate that scene of terror. > And in some cases, as with Browne, in which they appear > to randomly pick their victims, there is still some order to the > madness. > Nair says that even when a specific victim is not stalked, a fantasy is. > " If a person decides to do a school girl at 7:30 a.m., that kind of > scene will be thought of again and again. " > One frightening thing, he says, is that people like Browne - who claims > 49 victims - do not frequently exaggerate. > Bad company > Browne's claimed 49 killings, if true, would rank him > among the worst serial killers in this country in modern times. Among > the others and their victim count: > Ted Bundy: 20+ (Some say it may be as high as 35) > Dahmer: 17 > Wayne Gacy: 33 > Dennis Rader, the BTK Killer: 10 > Ridgway, the Green River Killer: 48 > kilzerl@... <mailto:kilzerl@...> or > 303-892-2644 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 When I read the article (before I rolled my eyes and spit w/disgust), the first thought I had was that the writer saw some bullet points on autism and wanted to make some commotion. It doesn't even make sense. Carolyn www.asno.org > > Oh my God! First of all, I doubt that any of the killers he named had ever been diagnosed with autism. Ted Bundy could not have been in my opinion. I heard his interview done shortly before his execution. He was much to articulate and savvy to have autism. That they are saying such things about men with autism does not surprise me though. > > C. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 While it is unlikely the individuals mentioned were ever given dx's of autism and unlikely they had all the symptoms to be given the dx, the following is a book that may address any connections. Certainly worth reading in my opinion. Vaccination, Social Violence, and Criminality: The Medical Assault on the American Brain by L. Coulter Michele > > > > Oh my God! First of all, I doubt that any of the killers he named > had ever been diagnosed with autism. Ted Bundy could not have been in > my opinion. I heard his interview done shortly before his execution. > He was much to articulate and savvy to have autism. That they are > saying such things about men with autism does not surprise me though. > > > > C. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 There is a huge difference between a sociopath and an autistic and any good psychiatrist would know that. > > Oh my God! First of all, I doubt that any of the killers he named had ever been diagnosed with autism. Ted Bundy could not have been in my opinion. I heard his interview done shortly before his execution. He was much to articulate and savvy to have autism. That they are saying such things about men with autism does not surprise me though. > > C. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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