Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 YOU SLAP HER. I"LL SHAKE HER! <redhead60707@...> wrote: I'd like to slap this writer. The English and their vitriol.http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,6-2231905,00.html The Times June 19, 2006 White, middle-class, loving mums. And their stupitidy could kill your childCristina Odone It isn’t enough that my daughter has had her MMR jab. Her friends must have them too THE CHILDREN’S birthday party was in full swing: balloons, jelly, organic milk, Marmite sandwiches and rosy faces. One of the other mothers ruffles her three-year-old’s hair: “There was no way I was going to let Harry have the MMR — he’s the only child I’m going to have and I don’t want him going autistic on me.” Panic-stricken, I look around the room: nine toddlers, aged between 2 and 4. How many of their mothers share this one’s view about MMR? How many of these children have never been immunised? Given that herd protection needs a vaccination rate of 92 per cent, it is not enough that my own daughter, almost 3, has received her MMR jabs; her friends need to be vaccinated too. I want to go up to the woman and shake her: do you realise you risk hurting, even killing, your son and those he comes in contact with? Measles can kill, mumps can lead to infertility and deafness, and a pregnant woman infected with rubella has an 83 per cent chance of giving birth to a child with some deformity. Yet parents such as her get away with it. They are middle-class and clean-cut, well meaning and well spoken. We indulge them because they assure us, ever so eloquently, that they are motivated by parental love. We cut them slack because we are convinced that even irrational fear, when in such cosy packaging, cannot have dangerous consequences. We are wrong. Last week the Health Protection Agency reported the worst incidence of measles in 20 years. Three months ago the first child in 14 years was killed by the virus. Pockets of infection have surfaced in Surrey and in Yorkshire. We face a real health scare, because rogue parents fell for a bogus health scare — the one linking the MMR vaccine to autism. It is eight years since Wakefield began agitating against the MMR jab. In that time he managed to persuade hundreds of thousands to keep their children from taking part in the immunisation programme. Dr Wakefield, a former gut surgeon, was an extraordinarily convincing spokesman: when he made public his claims at a press conference at the Royal Free he throbbed with messianic ardour and heartfelt concern for those poor innocents whom the State wished to inject with poison. When he faced critics who pointed out that he built his thesis on a skewed sample of only 12 children, he played the medical martyr who risked his career for the good of others. Anxious parents, unsure of their science and suspicious of the nanny state, were Dr Wakefield’s apostles. They rushed to spread his message and live out his commandments. Boden-wearing mothers and SUV-driving fathers refused to do the authorities’ bidding and vowed to protect their children from the evil that would be perpetrated against them. The Boden sundress and capable car determined the reaction that these parents aroused. Countless mothers and fathers shivered at the images of a middle-class couple looking on as their autistic son failed to show any sign of recognition. Even some doctors took seriously their descriptions of a terrifying fear and an all-engulfing guilt: these people were obviously educated, perhaps even knew something of biology, so their experience and worries could not be dismissed out of hand. The media loved to feature their harrowing tales, relishing the contrast between these couples’ orderly and well-heeled existence and the dark, primitive fear that prompted them to rebel against the authorities. As for the Government, the Blairites didn’t dare take on this powerful and influential constituency, and opted out of forcing MMR upon all school children — a surefire method adopted already in America, where a child’s inoculation records must be presented before admission to any school. Now: imagine the brouhaha if the Wakefield weirdos had been not middle-class whites but, let’s say, Muslims. Other parents would have been up in arms, raging against the superstitious claptrap that risked landing their little one in hospital. The media would have wallowed in coverage of semi-literate households where a patriarch brandishing a well-thumbed copy of the Koran chased away the doctors, social services and all other Western busybodies. The analogy is hardly preposterous. When imams in Nigeria managed to persuade tens of thousands of followers that they should boycott the polio vaccine because it was actually a Western plot to render them infertile, the ensuing outcry was almost racist in its condescension: what, don’t they know any better? But the same can be asked of the middle-class parents who joined the anti-MMR crusade. Dr Wakefield failed to disclose that the parents of 11 of the 12 children in his original study were suing the manufacturers of the MMR vaccine; and that he had been hired to help them by a firm of solicitors. Since then scientific evidence against Dr Wakefield’s findings has been conclusive: epidemiological and virological studies, including one that examined half a million children born in Denmark, found absolutely no link between the MMR vaccine and autism. Yet middle-class mummies and daddies still wear opposition to MMR like a badge of honour. The General Medical Council last week, quite rightly, started disciplinary proceedings against Dr Wakefield. But while he could be struck off the medical register, vilified as the Abu Hamza of the medical profession, what of his followers? We need to deal with the hysterical middle-class parents who, in the name of love, risk dragging Britain back to an era of high child mortality. The answer lies in education, education, education: we cannot force parents to become scientifically literate, but we can ensure that their children’s attendance of schools, state or private, depends on their having had a complete set of jabs. Only then will the well-clad, well-heeled troops turn round their SUVs and beat a retreat. New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 Stupitidy? Get a spellchecker, stupit! From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of Maurine MeleckSent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 7:06 PMEOHarm Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: White, middle-class, loving mums. And their stupitidy could kill your child YOU SLAP HER. I"LL SHAKE HER! <redhead60707@...> wrote: I'd like to slap this writer. The English and their vitriol.http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,6-2231905,00.html The Times June 19, 2006 White, middle-class, loving mums. And their stupitidy could kill your childCristina Odone It isn’t enough that my daughter has had her MMR jab. Her friends must have them too THE CHILDREN’S birthday party was in full swing: balloons, jelly, organic milk, Marmite sandwiches and rosy faces. One of the other mothers ruffles her three-year-old’s hair: “There was no way I was going to let Harry have the MMR — he’s the only child I’m going to have and I don’t want him going autistic on me.” Panic-stricken, I look around the room: nine toddlers, aged between 2 and 4. How many of their mothers share this one’s view about MMR? How many of these children have never been immunised? Given that herd protection needs a vaccination rate of 92 per cent, it is not enough that my own daughter, almost 3, has received her MMR jabs; her friends need to be vaccinated too. I want to go up to the woman and shake her: do you realise you risk hurting, even killing, your son and those he comes in contact with? Measles can kill, mumps can lead to infertility and deafness, and a pregnant woman infected with rubella has an 83 per cent chance of giving birth to a child with some deformity. Yet parents such as her get away with it. They are middle-class and clean-cut, well meaning and well spoken. We indulge them because they assure us, ever so eloquently, that they are motivated by parental love. We cut them slack because we are convinced that even irrational fear, when in such cosy packaging, cannot have dangerous consequences. We are wrong. Last week the Health Protection Agency reported the worst incidence of measles in 20 years. Three months ago the first child in 14 years was killed by the virus. Pockets of infection have surfaced in Surrey and in Yorkshire. We face a real health scare, because rogue parents fell for a bogus health scare — the one linking the MMR vaccine to autism. It is eight years since Wakefield began agitating against the MMR jab. In that time he managed to persuade hundreds of thousands to keep their children from taking part in the immunisation programme. Dr Wakefield, a former gut surgeon, was an extraordinarily convincing spokesman: when he made public his claims at a press conference at the Royal Free he throbbed with messianic ardour and heartfelt concern for those poor innocents whom the State wished to inject with poison. When he faced critics who pointed out that he built his thesis on a skewed sample of only 12 children, he played the medical martyr who risked his career for the good of others. Anxious parents, unsure of their science and suspicious of the nanny state, were Dr Wakefield’s apostles. They rushed to spread his message and live out his commandments. Boden-wearing mothers and SUV-driving fathers refused to do the authorities’ bidding and vowed to protect their children from the evil that would be perpetrated against them. The Boden sundress and capable car determined the reaction that these parents aroused. Countless mothers and fathers shivered at the images of a middle-class couple looking on as their autistic son failed to show any sign of recognition. Even some doctors took seriously their descriptions of a terrifying fear and an all-engulfing guilt: these people were obviously educated, perhaps even knew something of biology, so their experience and worries could not be dismissed out of hand. The media loved to feature their harrowing tales, relishing the contrast between these couples’ orderly and well-heeled existence and the dark, primitive fear that prompted them to rebel against the authorities. As for the Government, the Blairites didn’t dare take on this powerful and influential constituency, and opted out of forcing MMR upon all school children — a surefire method adopted already in America, where a child’s inoculation records must be presented before admission to any school. Now: imagine the brouhaha if the Wakefield weirdos had been not middle-class whites but, let’s say, Muslims. Other parents would have been up in arms, raging against the superstitious claptrap that risked landing their little one in hospital. The media would have wallowed in coverage of semi-literate households where a patriarch brandishing a well-thumbed copy of the Koran chased away the doctors, social services and all other Western busybodies. The analogy is hardly preposterous. When imams in Nigeria managed to persuade tens of thousands of followers that they should boycott the polio vaccine because it was actually a Western plot to render them infertile, the ensuing outcry was almost racist in its condescension: what, don’t they know any better? But the same can be asked of the middle-class parents who joined the anti-MMR crusade. Dr Wakefield failed to disclose that the parents of 11 of the 12 children in his original study were suing the manufacturers of the MMR vaccine; and that he had been hired to help them by a firm of solicitors. Since then scientific evidence against Dr Wakefield’s findings has been conclusive: epidemiological and virological studies, including one that examined half a million children born in Denmark, found absolutely no link between the MMR vaccine and autism. Yet middle-class mummies and daddies still wear opposition to MMR like a badge of honour. The General Medical Council last week, quite rightly, started disciplinary proceedings against Dr Wakefield. But while he could be struck off the medical register, vilified as the Abu Hamza of the medical profession, what of his followers? We need to deal with the hysterical middle-class parents who, in the name of love, risk dragging Britain back to an era of high child mortality. The answer lies in education, education, education: we cannot force parents to become scientifically literate, but we can ensure that their children’s attendance of schools, state or private, depends on their having had a complete set of jabs. Only then will the well-clad, well-heeled troops turn round their SUVs and beat a retreat. New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 I think the article is useful. I now know that I can ignore any englishwoman named Cristina Odone! How long before she's eating her words? Anyone wanna bet? MMR is clearly a dangerous vaccine (my daughter's damaged bowels can attest) and we have research being done in different parts of the world to verify its danger. Wakefield is going to take his lumps and be scarred for these events, but he will be vindicated. > > > I'd like to slap this writer. The English and their vitriol. > > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,6-2231905,00.html > > > > > The Times June 19, 2006 > > > White, middle-class, loving mums. And their stupitidy could kill your child > > Cristina Odone > > > It isn't enough that my daughter has had her MMR jab. Her friends must have > them too > > <http://images.thetimes.co.uk/images/trans.gif> > > > > > > > THE CHILDREN'S birthday party was in full swing: balloons, jelly, organic > milk, Marmite sandwiches and rosy faces. One of the other mothers ruffles > her three-year-old's hair: " There was no way I was going to let Harry have > the MMR - he's the only child I'm going to have and I don't want him going > autistic on me. " > Panic-stricken, I look around the room: nine toddlers, aged between 2 and 4. > How many of their mothers share this one's view about MMR? How many of these > children have never been immunised? Given that herd protection needs a > vaccination rate of 92 per cent, it is not enough that my own daughter, > almost 3, has received her MMR jabs; her friends need to be vaccinated too. > I want to go up to the woman and shake her: do you realise you risk hurting, > even killing, your son and those he comes in contact with? Measles can kill, > mumps can lead to infertility and deafness, and a pregnant woman infected > with rubella has an 83 per cent chance of giving birth to a child with some > deformity. Yet parents such as her get away with it. They are middle-class > and clean-cut, well meaning and well spoken. We indulge them because they > assure us, ever so eloquently, that they are motivated by parental love. We > cut them slack because we are convinced that even irrational fear, when in > such cosy packaging, cannot have dangerous consequences. > We are wrong. Last week the Health Protection Agency reported the worst > incidence of measles in 20 years. Three months ago the first child in 14 > years was killed by the virus. Pockets of infection have surfaced in Surrey > and in Yorkshire. We face a real health scare, because rogue parents fell > for a bogus health scare - the one linking the MMR vaccine to autism. > It is eight years since Wakefield began agitating against the MMR > jab. In that time he managed to persuade hundreds of thousands to keep their > children from taking part in the immunisation programme. Dr Wakefield, a > former gut surgeon, was an extraordinarily convincing spokesman: when he > made public his claims at a press conference at the Royal Free he throbbed > with messianic ardour and heartfelt concern for those poor innocents whom > the State wished to inject with poison. > When he faced critics who pointed out that he built his thesis on a skewed > sample of only 12 children, he played the medical martyr who risked his > career for the good of others. > Anxious parents, unsure of their science and suspicious of the nanny state, > were Dr Wakefield's apostles. They rushed to spread his message and live out > his commandments. > Boden-wearing mothers and SUV-driving fathers refused to do the authorities' > bidding and vowed to protect their children from the evil that would be > perpetrated against them. > The Boden sundress and capable car determined the reaction that these > parents aroused. Countless mothers and fathers shivered at the images of a > middle-class couple looking on as their autistic son failed to show any sign > of recognition. Even some doctors took seriously their descriptions of a > terrifying fear and an all-engulfing guilt: these people were obviously > educated, perhaps even knew something of biology, so their experience and > worries could not be dismissed out of hand. The media loved to feature their > harrowing tales, relishing the contrast between these couples' orderly and > well-heeled existence and the dark, primitive fear that prompted them to > rebel against the authorities. As for the Government, the Blairites didn't > dare take on this powerful and influential constituency, and opted out of > forcing MMR upon all school children - a surefire method adopted already in > America, where a child's inoculation records must be presented before > admission to any school. > Now: imagine the brouhaha if the Wakefield weirdos had been not middle-class > whites but, let's say, Muslims. Other parents would have been up in arms, > raging against the superstitious claptrap that risked landing their little > one in hospital. The media would have wallowed in coverage of semi-literate > households where a patriarch brandishing a well-thumbed copy of the Koran > chased away the doctors, social services and all other Western busybodies. > The analogy is hardly preposterous. When imams in Nigeria managed to > persuade tens of thousands of followers that they should boycott the polio > vaccine because it was actually a Western plot to render them infertile, the > ensuing outcry was almost racist in its condescension: what, don't they know > any better? But the same can be asked of the middle-class parents who joined > the anti-MMR crusade. > Dr Wakefield failed to disclose that the parents of 11 of the 12 children in > his original study were suing the manufacturers of the MMR vaccine; and that > he had been hired to help them by a firm of solicitors. Since then > scientific evidence against Dr Wakefield's findings has been conclusive: > epidemiological and virological studies, including one that examined half a > million children born in Denmark, found absolutely no link between the MMR > vaccine and autism. Yet middle-class mummies and daddies still wear > opposition to MMR like a badge of honour. > The General Medical Council last week, quite rightly, started disciplinary > proceedings against Dr Wakefield. But while he could be struck off the > medical register, vilified as the Abu Hamza of the medical profession, what > of his followers? We need to deal with the hysterical middle-class parents > who, in the name of love, risk dragging Britain back to an era of high child > mortality. The answer lies in education, education, education: we cannot > force parents to become scientifically literate, but we can ensure that > their children's attendance of schools, state or private, depends on their > having had a complete set of jabs. Only then will the well-clad, well-heeled > troops turn round their SUVs and beat a retreat. > <http://images.thetimes.co.uk/images/trans.gif> > > _____ > > New Messenger with Voice. Call > <http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/postman5/*http://us.rd./ev > t=39666/*http://messenger.> regular phones from your PC and save > big. > > > > _____ > > > <http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/postman3/*http://us.rd./ev > t=39666/*http://messenger.> Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls > for ridiculously low rates. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 Yeah, her kid may be fine now, but I'll bet there's a 1 in 6 chance that if she keeps up that stupiD, ignorant, self-rightous attitude, she will end up with some type of " learning disability " . Sorry, that was really ugly of me- just a little steamed right now... > > > > > > I'd like to slap this writer. The English and their vitriol. > > > > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,6-2231905,00.html > > > > > > > > > > The Times June 19, 2006 > > > > > > White, middle-class, loving mums. And their stupitidy could kill your child > > > > Cristina Odone > > > > > > It isn't enough that my daughter has had her MMR jab. Her friends must have > > them too > > > > <http://images.thetimes.co.uk/images/trans.gif> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THE CHILDREN'S birthday party was in full swing: balloons, jelly, organic > > milk, Marmite sandwiches and rosy faces. One of the other mothers ruffles > > her three-year-old's hair: " There was no way I was going to let Harry have > > the MMR - he's the only child I'm going to have and I don't want him going > > autistic on me. " > > Panic-stricken, I look around the room: nine toddlers, aged between 2 and 4. > > How many of their mothers share this one's view about MMR? How many of these > > children have never been immunised? Given that herd protection needs a > > vaccination rate of 92 per cent, it is not enough that my own daughter, > > almost 3, has received her MMR jabs; her friends need to be vaccinated too. > > I want to go up to the woman and shake her: do you realise you risk hurting, > > even killing, your son and those he comes in contact with? Measles can kill, > > mumps can lead to infertility and deafness, and a pregnant woman infected > > with rubella has an 83 per cent chance of giving birth to a child with some > > deformity. Yet parents such as her get away with it. They are middle-class > > and clean-cut, well meaning and well spoken. We indulge them because they > > assure us, ever so eloquently, that they are motivated by parental love. We > > cut them slack because we are convinced that even irrational fear, when in > > such cosy packaging, cannot have dangerous consequences. > > We are wrong. Last week the Health Protection Agency reported the worst > > incidence of measles in 20 years. Three months ago the first child in 14 > > years was killed by the virus. Pockets of infection have surfaced in Surrey > > and in Yorkshire. We face a real health scare, because rogue parents fell > > for a bogus health scare - the one linking the MMR vaccine to autism. > > It is eight years since Wakefield began agitating against the MMR > > jab. In that time he managed to persuade hundreds of thousands to keep their > > children from taking part in the immunisation programme. Dr Wakefield, a > > former gut surgeon, was an extraordinarily convincing spokesman: when he > > made public his claims at a press conference at the Royal Free he throbbed > > with messianic ardour and heartfelt concern for those poor innocents whom > > the State wished to inject with poison. > > When he faced critics who pointed out that he built his thesis on a skewed > > sample of only 12 children, he played the medical martyr who risked his > > career for the good of others. > > Anxious parents, unsure of their science and suspicious of the nanny state, > > were Dr Wakefield's apostles. They rushed to spread his message and live out > > his commandments. > > Boden-wearing mothers and SUV-driving fathers refused to do the authorities' > > bidding and vowed to protect their children from the evil that would be > > perpetrated against them. > > The Boden sundress and capable car determined the reaction that these > > parents aroused. Countless mothers and fathers shivered at the images of a > > middle-class couple looking on as their autistic son failed to show any sign > > of recognition. Even some doctors took seriously their descriptions of a > > terrifying fear and an all-engulfing guilt: these people were obviously > > educated, perhaps even knew something of biology, so their experience and > > worries could not be dismissed out of hand. The media loved to feature their > > harrowing tales, relishing the contrast between these couples' orderly and > > well-heeled existence and the dark, primitive fear that prompted them to > > rebel against the authorities. As for the Government, the Blairites didn't > > dare take on this powerful and influential constituency, and opted out of > > forcing MMR upon all school children - a surefire method adopted already in > > America, where a child's inoculation records must be presented before > > admission to any school. > > Now: imagine the brouhaha if the Wakefield weirdos had been not middle-class > > whites but, let's say, Muslims. Other parents would have been up in arms, > > raging against the superstitious claptrap that risked landing their little > > one in hospital. The media would have wallowed in coverage of semi-literate > > households where a patriarch brandishing a well-thumbed copy of the Koran > > chased away the doctors, social services and all other Western busybodies. > > The analogy is hardly preposterous. When imams in Nigeria managed to > > persuade tens of thousands of followers that they should boycott the polio > > vaccine because it was actually a Western plot to render them infertile, the > > ensuing outcry was almost racist in its condescension: what, don't they know > > any better? But the same can be asked of the middle-class parents who joined > > the anti-MMR crusade. > > Dr Wakefield failed to disclose that the parents of 11 of the 12 children in > > his original study were suing the manufacturers of the MMR vaccine; and that > > he had been hired to help them by a firm of solicitors. Since then > > scientific evidence against Dr Wakefield's findings has been conclusive: > > epidemiological and virological studies, including one that examined half a > > million children born in Denmark, found absolutely no link between the MMR > > vaccine and autism. Yet middle-class mummies and daddies still wear > > opposition to MMR like a badge of honour. > > The General Medical Council last week, quite rightly, started disciplinary > > proceedings against Dr Wakefield. But while he could be struck off the > > medical register, vilified as the Abu Hamza of the medical profession, what > > of his followers? We need to deal with the hysterical middle-class parents > > who, in the name of love, risk dragging Britain back to an era of high child > > mortality. The answer lies in education, education, education: we cannot > > force parents to become scientifically literate, but we can ensure that > > their children's attendance of schools, state or private, depends on their > > having had a complete set of jabs. Only then will the well-clad, well-heeled > > troops turn round their SUVs and beat a retreat. > > <http://images.thetimes.co.uk/images/trans.gif> > > > > _____ > > > > New Messenger with Voice. Call > > <http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/postman5/*http://us.rd./ev > > t=39666/*http://messenger.> regular phones from your PC and save > > big. > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > <http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/postman3/*http://us.rd./ev > > t=39666/*http://messenger.> Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls > > for ridiculously low rates. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 What about an SUV-driving mother who wants to run her over! You guys Shake her, then slap her, and then I'll run her over with my Tahoe!!! " SUV-driving fathers " > > > > > > > > > I'd like to slap this writer. The English and their vitriol. > > > > > > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,6-2231905,00.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Times June 19, 2006 > > > > > > > > > White, middle-class, loving mums. And their stupitidy could kill your child > > > > > > Cristina Odone > > > > > > > > > It isn't enough that my daughter has had her MMR jab. Her friends must have > > > them too > > > > > > <http://images.thetimes.co.uk/images/trans.gif> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THE CHILDREN'S birthday party was in full swing: balloons, jelly, organic > > > milk, Marmite sandwiches and rosy faces. One of the other mothers ruffles > > > her three-year-old's hair: " There was no way I was going to let Harry have > > > the MMR - he's the only child I'm going to have and I don't want him going > > > autistic on me. " > > > Panic-stricken, I look around the room: nine toddlers, aged between 2 and 4. > > > How many of their mothers share this one's view about MMR? How many of these > > > children have never been immunised? Given that herd protection needs a > > > vaccination rate of 92 per cent, it is not enough that my own daughter, > > > almost 3, has received her MMR jabs; her friends need to be vaccinated too. > > > I want to go up to the woman and shake her: do you realise you risk hurting, > > > even killing, your son and those he comes in contact with? Measles can kill, > > > mumps can lead to infertility and deafness, and a pregnant woman infected > > > with rubella has an 83 per cent chance of giving birth to a child with some > > > deformity. Yet parents such as her get away with it. They are middle-class > > > and clean-cut, well meaning and well spoken. We indulge them because they > > > assure us, ever so eloquently, that they are motivated by parental love. We > > > cut them slack because we are convinced that even irrational fear, when in > > > such cosy packaging, cannot have dangerous consequences. > > > We are wrong. Last week the Health Protection Agency reported the worst > > > incidence of measles in 20 years. Three months ago the first child in 14 > > > years was killed by the virus. Pockets of infection have surfaced in Surrey > > > and in Yorkshire. We face a real health scare, because rogue parents fell > > > for a bogus health scare - the one linking the MMR vaccine to autism. > > > It is eight years since Wakefield began agitating against the MMR > > > jab. In that time he managed to persuade hundreds of thousands to keep their > > > children from taking part in the immunisation programme. Dr Wakefield, a > > > former gut surgeon, was an extraordinarily convincing spokesman: when he > > > made public his claims at a press conference at the Royal Free he throbbed > > > with messianic ardour and heartfelt concern for those poor innocents whom > > > the State wished to inject with poison. > > > When he faced critics who pointed out that he built his thesis on a skewed > > > sample of only 12 children, he played the medical martyr who risked his > > > career for the good of others. > > > Anxious parents, unsure of their science and suspicious of the nanny state, > > > were Dr Wakefield's apostles. They rushed to spread his message and live out > > > his commandments. > > > Boden-wearing mothers and SUV-driving fathers refused to do the authorities' > > > bidding and vowed to protect their children from the evil that would be > > > perpetrated against them. > > > The Boden sundress and capable car determined the reaction that these > > > parents aroused. Countless mothers and fathers shivered at the images of a > > > middle-class couple looking on as their autistic son failed to show any sign > > > of recognition. Even some doctors took seriously their descriptions of a > > > terrifying fear and an all-engulfing guilt: these people were obviously > > > educated, perhaps even knew something of biology, so their experience and > > > worries could not be dismissed out of hand. The media loved to feature their > > > harrowing tales, relishing the contrast between these couples' orderly and > > > well-heeled existence and the dark, primitive fear that prompted them to > > > rebel against the authorities. As for the Government, the Blairites didn't > > > dare take on this powerful and influential constituency, and opted out of > > > forcing MMR upon all school children - a surefire method adopted already in > > > America, where a child's inoculation records must be presented before > > > admission to any school. > > > Now: imagine the brouhaha if the Wakefield weirdos had been not middle-class > > > whites but, let's say, Muslims. Other parents would have been up in arms, > > > raging against the superstitious claptrap that risked landing their little > > > one in hospital. The media would have wallowed in coverage of semi-literate > > > households where a patriarch brandishing a well-thumbed copy of the Koran > > > chased away the doctors, social services and all other Western busybodies. > > > The analogy is hardly preposterous. When imams in Nigeria managed to > > > persuade tens of thousands of followers that they should boycott the polio > > > vaccine because it was actually a Western plot to render them infertile, the > > > ensuing outcry was almost racist in its condescension: what, don't they know > > > any better? But the same can be asked of the middle-class parents who joined > > > the anti-MMR crusade. > > > Dr Wakefield failed to disclose that the parents of 11 of the 12 children in > > > his original study were suing the manufacturers of the MMR vaccine; and that > > > he had been hired to help them by a firm of solicitors. Since then > > > scientific evidence against Dr Wakefield's findings has been conclusive: > > > epidemiological and virological studies, including one that examined half a > > > million children born in Denmark, found absolutely no link between the MMR > > > vaccine and autism. Yet middle-class mummies and daddies still wear > > > opposition to MMR like a badge of honour. > > > The General Medical Council last week, quite rightly, started disciplinary > > > proceedings against Dr Wakefield. But while he could be struck off the > > > medical register, vilified as the Abu Hamza of the medical profession, what > > > of his followers? We need to deal with the hysterical middle- class parents > > > who, in the name of love, risk dragging Britain back to an era of high child > > > mortality. The answer lies in education, education, education: we cannot > > > force parents to become scientifically literate, but we can ensure that > > > their children's attendance of schools, state or private, depends on their > > > having had a complete set of jabs. Only then will the well- clad, well-heeled > > > troops turn round their SUVs and beat a retreat. > > > <http://images.thetimes.co.uk/images/trans.gif> > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > New Messenger with Voice. 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Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 As I said at least in the UK the villains are obvious. Re: White, middle-class, loving mums. And their stupitidy could kill your child YOU SLAP HER. I"LL SHAKE HER! <redhead60707@...> wrote: I'd like to slap this writer. The English and their vitriol.http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,6-2231905,00.html The Times June 19, 2006 White, middle-class, loving mums. And their stupitidy could kill your childCristina Odone It isn’t enough that my daughter has had her MMR jab. Her friends must have them too THE CHILDREN’S birthday party was in full swing: balloons, jelly, organic milk, Marmite sandwiches and rosy faces. One of the other mothers ruffles her three-year-old’s hair: “There was no way I was going to let Harry have the MMR — he’s the only child I’m going to have and I don’t want him going autistic on me.” Panic-stricken, I look around the room: nine toddlers, aged between 2 and 4. How many of their mothers share this one’s view about MMR? How many of these children have never been immunised? Given that herd protection needs a vaccination rate of 92 per cent, it is not enough that my own daughter, almost 3, has received her MMR jabs; her friends need to be vaccinated too. I want to go up to the woman and shake her: do you realise you risk hurting, even killing, your son and those he comes in contact with? Measles can kill, mumps can lead to infertility and deafness, and a pregnant woman infected with rubella has an 83 per cent chance of giving birth to a child with some deformity. Yet parents such as her get away with it. They are middle-class and clean-cut, well meaning and well spoken. We indulge them because they assure us, ever so eloquently, that they are motivated by parental love. We cut them slack because we are convinced that even irrational fear, when in such cosy packaging, cannot have dangerous consequences. We are wrong. Last week the Health Protection Agency reported the worst incidence of measles in 20 years. Three months ago the first child in 14 years was killed by the virus. Pockets of infection have surfaced in Surrey and in Yorkshire. We face a real health scare, because rogue parents fell for a bogus health scare — the one linking the MMR vaccine to autism. It is eight years since Wakefield began agitating against the MMR jab. In that time he managed to persuade hundreds of thousands to keep their children from taking part in the immunisation programme. Dr Wakefield, a former gut surgeon, was an extraordinarily convincing spokesman: when he made public his claims at a press conference at the Royal Free he throbbed with messianic ardour and heartfelt concern for those poor innocents whom the State wished to inject with poison. When he faced critics who pointed out that he built his thesis on a skewed sample of only 12 children, he played the medical martyr who risked his career for the good of others. Anxious parents, unsure of their science and suspicious of the nanny state, were Dr Wakefield’s apostles. They rushed to spread his message and live out his commandments. Boden-wearing mothers and SUV-driving fathers refused to do the authorities’ bidding and vowed to protect their children from the evil that would be perpetrated against them. The Boden sundress and capable car determined the reaction that these parents aroused. Countless mothers and fathers shivered at the images of a middle-class couple looking on as their autistic son failed to show any sign of recognition. Even some doctors took seriously their descriptions of a terrifying fear and an all-engulfing guilt: these people were obviously educated, perhaps even knew something of biology, so their experience and worries could not be dismissed out of hand. The media loved to feature their harrowing tales, relishing the contrast between these couples’ orderly and well-heeled existence and the dark, primitive fear that prompted them to rebel against the authorities. As for the Government, the Blairites didn’t dare take on this powerful and influential constituency, and opted out of forcing MMR upon all school children — a surefire method adopted already in America, where a child’s inoculation records must be presented before admission to any school. Now: imagine the brouhaha if the Wakefield weirdos had been not middle-class whites but, let’s say, Muslims. Other parents would have been up in arms, raging against the superstitious claptrap that risked landing their little one in hospital. The media would have wallowed in coverage of semi-literate households where a patriarch brandishing a well-thumbed copy of the Koran chased away the doctors, social services and all other Western busybodies. The analogy is hardly preposterous. When imams in Nigeria managed to persuade tens of thousands of followers that they should boycott the polio vaccine because it was actually a Western plot to render them infertile, the ensuing outcry was almost racist in its condescension: what, don’t they know any better? But the same can be asked of the middle-class parents who joined the anti-MMR crusade. Dr Wakefield failed to disclose that the parents of 11 of the 12 children in his original study were suing the manufacturers of the MMR vaccine; and that he had been hired to help them by a firm of solicitors. Since then scientific evidence against Dr Wakefield’s findings has been conclusive: epidemiological and virological studies, including one that examined half a million children born in Denmark, found absolutely no link between the MMR vaccine and autism. Yet middle-class mummies and daddies still wear opposition to MMR like a badge of honour. The General Medical Council last week, quite rightly, started disciplinary proceedings against Dr Wakefield. But while he could be struck off the medical register, vilified as the Abu Hamza of the medical profession, what of his followers? We need to deal with the hysterical middle-class parents who, in the name of love, risk dragging Britain back to an era of high child mortality. The answer lies in education, education, education: we cannot force parents to become scientifically literate, but we can ensure that their children’s attendance of schools, state or private, depends on their having had a complete set of jabs. 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Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 The Times has always been the voice of the Establishment from at least 1880. Deer writes for them, and it seems to be the ploy--get non-medical writers to write this drivel, eg http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,24390-2230440_2,00.html White, middle-class, loving mums. And their stupitidy could kill your child I'd like to slap this writer. The English and their vitriol.http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,6-2231905,00.html The Times June 19, 2006 White, middle-class, loving mums. And their stupitidy could kill your childCristina Odone It isn’t enough that my daughter has had her MMR jab. Her friends must have them too THE CHILDREN’S birthday party was in full swing: balloons, jelly, organic milk, Marmite sandwiches and rosy faces. One of the other mothers ruffles her three-year-old’s hair: “There was no way I was going to let Harry have the MMR — he’s the only child I’m going to have and I don’t want him going autistic on me.” Panic-stricken, I look around the room: nine toddlers, aged between 2 and 4. How many of their mothers share this one’s view about MMR? How many of these children have never been immunised? Given that herd protection needs a vaccination rate of 92 per cent, it is not enough that my own daughter, almost 3, has received her MMR jabs; her friends need to be vaccinated too. I want to go up to the woman and shake her: do you realise you risk hurting, even killing, your son and those he comes in contact with? Measles can kill, mumps can lead to infertility and deafness, and a pregnant woman infected with rubella has an 83 per cent chance of giving birth to a child with some deformity. Yet parents such as her get away with it. They are middle-class and clean-cut, well meaning and well spoken. We indulge them because they assure us, ever so eloquently, that they are motivated by parental love. We cut them slack because we are convinced that even irrational fear, when in such cosy packaging, cannot have dangerous consequences. We are wrong. Last week the Health Protection Agency reported the worst incidence of measles in 20 years. Three months ago the first child in 14 years was killed by the virus. Pockets of infection have surfaced in Surrey and in Yorkshire. We face a real health scare, because rogue parents fell for a bogus health scare — the one linking the MMR vaccine to autism. It is eight years since Wakefield began agitating against the MMR jab. In that time he managed to persuade hundreds of thousands to keep their children from taking part in the immunisation programme. Dr Wakefield, a former gut surgeon, was an extraordinarily convincing spokesman: when he made public his claims at a press conference at the Royal Free he throbbed with messianic ardour and heartfelt concern for those poor innocents whom the State wished to inject with poison. When he faced critics who pointed out that he built his thesis on a skewed sample of only 12 children, he played the medical martyr who risked his career for the good of others. Anxious parents, unsure of their science and suspicious of the nanny state, were Dr Wakefield’s apostles. They rushed to spread his message and live out his commandments. Boden-wearing mothers and SUV-driving fathers refused to do the authorities’ bidding and vowed to protect their children from the evil that would be perpetrated against them. The Boden sundress and capable car determined the reaction that these parents aroused. Countless mothers and fathers shivered at the images of a middle-class couple looking on as their autistic son failed to show any sign of recognition. Even some doctors took seriously their descriptions of a terrifying fear and an all-engulfing guilt: these people were obviously educated, perhaps even knew something of biology, so their experience and worries could not be dismissed out of hand. The media loved to feature their harrowing tales, relishing the contrast between these couples’ orderly and well-heeled existence and the dark, primitive fear that prompted them to rebel against the authorities. As for the Government, the Blairites didn’t dare take on this powerful and influential constituency, and opted out of forcing MMR upon all school children — a surefire method adopted already in America, where a child’s inoculation records must be presented before admission to any school. Now: imagine the brouhaha if the Wakefield weirdos had been not middle-class whites but, let’s say, Muslims. Other parents would have been up in arms, raging against the superstitious claptrap that risked landing their little one in hospital. The media would have wallowed in coverage of semi-literate households where a patriarch brandishing a well-thumbed copy of the Koran chased away the doctors, social services and all other Western busybodies. The analogy is hardly preposterous. When imams in Nigeria managed to persuade tens of thousands of followers that they should boycott the polio vaccine because it was actually a Western plot to render them infertile, the ensuing outcry was almost racist in its condescension: what, don’t they know any better? But the same can be asked of the middle-class parents who joined the anti-MMR crusade. Dr Wakefield failed to disclose that the parents of 11 of the 12 children in his original study were suing the manufacturers of the MMR vaccine; and that he had been hired to help them by a firm of solicitors. Since then scientific evidence against Dr Wakefield’s findings has been conclusive: epidemiological and virological studies, including one that examined half a million children born in Denmark, found absolutely no link between the MMR vaccine and autism. Yet middle-class mummies and daddies still wear opposition to MMR like a badge of honour. The General Medical Council last week, quite rightly, started disciplinary proceedings against Dr Wakefield. But while he could be struck off the medical register, vilified as the Abu Hamza of the medical profession, what of his followers? We need to deal with the hysterical middle-class parents who, in the name of love, risk dragging Britain back to an era of high child mortality. The answer lies in education, education, education: we cannot force parents to become scientifically literate, but we can ensure that their children’s attendance of schools, state or private, depends on their having had a complete set of jabs. Only then will the well-clad, well-heeled troops turn round their SUVs and beat a retreat. New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 16/06/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 Just the title alone pisses me off. What is Ms. Odone's story? " Wakefield weirdo's " . She seems a little hostile on the subject don't you think? > > The Times has always been the voice of the Establishment from at least 1880. Deer writes for them, and it seems to be the ploy--get non-medical writers to write this drivel, eg http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,24390-2230440_2,00.html > > > > White, middle-class, loving mums. And their stupitidy could kill your child > > > I'd like to slap this writer. The English and their vitriol. > > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,6-2231905,00.html > > The Times June 19, 2006 > > > White, middle-class, loving mums. And their stupitidy could kill your child > Cristina Odone > > It isn't enough that my daughter has had her MMR jab. Her friends must have them too > > > > > > > THE CHILDREN'S birthday party was in full swing: balloons, jelly, organic milk, Marmite sandwiches and rosy faces. One of the other mothers ruffles her three-year-old's hair: " There was no way I was going to let Harry have the MMR - he's the only child I'm going to have and I don't want him going autistic on me. " > Panic-stricken, I look around the room: nine toddlers, aged between 2 and 4. How many of their mothers share this one's view about MMR? How many of these children have never been immunised? Given that herd protection needs a vaccination rate of 92 per cent, it is not enough that my own daughter, almost 3, has received her MMR jabs; her friends need to be vaccinated too. > I want to go up to the woman and shake her: do you realise you risk hurting, even killing, your son and those he comes in contact with? Measles can kill, mumps can lead to infertility and deafness, and a pregnant woman infected with rubella has an 83 per cent chance of giving birth to a child with some deformity. Yet parents such as her get away with it. They are middle-class and clean-cut, well meaning and well spoken. We indulge them because they assure us, ever so eloquently, that they are motivated by parental love. We cut them slack because we are convinced that even irrational fear, when in such cosy packaging, cannot have dangerous consequences. > We are wrong. Last week the Health Protection Agency reported the worst incidence of measles in 20 years. Three months ago the first child in 14 years was killed by the virus. Pockets of infection have surfaced in Surrey and in Yorkshire. We face a real health scare, because rogue parents fell for a bogus health scare - the one linking the MMR vaccine to autism. > It is eight years since Wakefield began agitating against the MMR jab. In that time he managed to persuade hundreds of thousands to keep their children from taking part in the immunisation programme. Dr Wakefield, a former gut surgeon, was an extraordinarily convincing spokesman: when he made public his claims at a press conference at the Royal Free he throbbed with messianic ardour and heartfelt concern for those poor innocents whom the State wished to inject with poison. > When he faced critics who pointed out that he built his thesis on a skewed sample of only 12 children, he played the medical martyr who risked his career for the good of others. > Anxious parents, unsure of their science and suspicious of the nanny state, were Dr Wakefield's apostles. They rushed to spread his message and live out his commandments. > Boden-wearing mothers and SUV-driving fathers refused to do the authorities' bidding and vowed to protect their children from the evil that would be perpetrated against them. > The Boden sundress and capable car determined the reaction that these parents aroused. Countless mothers and fathers shivered at the images of a middle-class couple looking on as their autistic son failed to show any sign of recognition. Even some doctors took seriously their descriptions of a terrifying fear and an all-engulfing guilt: these people were obviously educated, perhaps even knew something of biology, so their experience and worries could not be dismissed out of hand. The media loved to feature their harrowing tales, relishing the contrast between these couples' orderly and well-heeled existence and the dark, primitive fear that prompted them to rebel against the authorities. As for the Government, the Blairites didn't dare take on this powerful and influential constituency, and opted out of forcing MMR upon all school children - a surefire method adopted already in America, where a child's inoculation records must be presented before admission to any school. > Now: imagine the brouhaha if the Wakefield weirdos had been not middle-class whites but, let's say, Muslims. Other parents would have been up in arms, raging against the superstitious claptrap that risked landing their little one in hospital. The media would have wallowed in coverage of semi-literate households where a patriarch brandishing a well-thumbed copy of the Koran chased away the doctors, social services and all other Western busybodies. > The analogy is hardly preposterous. When imams in Nigeria managed to persuade tens of thousands of followers that they should boycott the polio vaccine because it was actually a Western plot to render them infertile, the ensuing outcry was almost racist in its condescension: what, don't they know any better? But the same can be asked of the middle-class parents who joined the anti-MMR crusade. > Dr Wakefield failed to disclose that the parents of 11 of the 12 children in his original study were suing the manufacturers of the MMR vaccine; and that he had been hired to help them by a firm of solicitors. Since then scientific evidence against Dr Wakefield's findings has been conclusive: epidemiological and virological studies, including one that examined half a million children born in Denmark, found absolutely no link between the MMR vaccine and autism. Yet middle-class mummies and daddies still wear opposition to MMR like a badge of honour. > The General Medical Council last week, quite rightly, started disciplinary proceedings against Dr Wakefield. But while he could be struck off the medical register, vilified as the Abu Hamza of the medical profession, what of his followers? We need to deal with the hysterical middle-class parents who, in the name of love, risk dragging Britain back to an era of high child mortality. The answer lies in education, education, education: we cannot force parents to become scientifically literate, but we can ensure that their children's attendance of schools, state or private, depends on their having had a complete set of jabs. Only then will the well- clad, well-heeled troops turn round their SUVs and beat a retreat. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > New Messenger with Voice. 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Guest guest Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Sorry, but there is NO "herd immunity" with the measles virus, it is too aggressive an infection. Look it up in an immunology text or ask Dr. H. Hugh Fudenberg. L. Stone, M.D.Isabella <isabellathomas@...> wrote: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,6-2231905,00.html White, middle-class, loving mums. And their stupitidy could kill your childCristina OdoneIt isn’t enough that my daughter has had her MMR jab. Her friends must havethem tooTHE CHILDREN’S birthday party was in full swing: balloons, jelly, organicmilk, Marmite sandwiches and rosy faces. One of the other mothers rufflesher three-year-old’s hair: “There was no way I was going to let Harry havethe MMR — he’s the only child I’m going to have and I don’t want him goingautistic on me.” Panic-stricken, I look around the room: nine toddlers, aged between 2 and 4.How many of their mothers share this one’s view about MMR? How many of thesechildren have never been immunised? Given that herd protection needs avaccination rate of 92 per cent, it is not enough that my own daughter,almost 3, has received her MMR jabs; her friends need to be vaccinated too. I want to go up to the woman and shake her: do you realise you risk hurting,even killing, your son and those he comes in contact with? Measles can kill,mumps can lead to infertility and deafness, and a pregnant woman infectedwith rubella has an 83 per cent chance of giving birth to a child with somedeformity. Yet parents such as her get away with it. They are middle-classand clean-cut, well meaning and well spoken. We indulge them because theyassure us, ever so eloquently, that they are motivated by parental love. Wecut them slack because we are convinced that even irrational fear, when insuch cosy packaging, cannot have dangerous consequences. We are wrong. Last week the Health Protection Agency reported the worstincidence of measles in 20 years. Three months ago the first child in 14years was killed by the virus. Pockets of infection have surfaced in Surreyand in Yorkshire. We face a real health scare, because rogue parents fellfor a bogus health scare — the one linking the MMR vaccine to autism. It is eight years since Wakefield began agitating against the MMR jabIn that time he managed to persuade hundreds of thousands to keep theirchildren from taking part in the immunisation programme. Dr Wakefield, aformer gut surgeon, was an extraordinarily convincing spokesman: when hemade public his claims at a press conference at the Royal Free he throbbedwith messianic ardour and heartfelt concern for those poor innocents whomthe State wished to inject with poison. When he faced critics who pointed out that he built his thesis on a skewedsample of only 12 children, he played the medical martyr who risked hiscareer for the good of others. Anxious parents, unsure of their science and suspicious of the nanny state,were Dr Wakefield’s apostles. They rushed to spread his message and live outhis commandments. Boden-wearing mothers and SUV-driving fathers refused to do the authorities’bidding and vowed to protect their children from the evil that would beperpetrated against them. The Boden sundress and capable car determined the reaction that theseparents aroused. Countless mothers and fathers shivered at the images of amiddle-class couple looking on as their autistic son failed to show any signof recognition. Even some doctors took seriously their descriptions of aterrifying fear and an all-engulfing guilt: these people were obviouslyeducated, perhaps even knew something of biology, so their experience andworries could not be dismissed out of hand. The media loved to feature theirharrowing tales, relishing the contrast between these couples’ orderly andwell-heeled existence and the dark, primitive fear that prompted them torebel against the authorities. As for the Government, the Blairites didn’tdare take on this powerful and influential constituency, and opted out offorcing MMR upon all school children — a surefire method adopted already inAmerica, where a child’s inoculation records must be presented beforeadmission to any school. Now: imagine the brouhaha if the Wakefield weirdos had been not middle-classwhites but, let’s say, Muslims. Other parents would have been up in arms,raging against the superstitious claptrap that risked landing their littleone in hospital. The media would have wallowed in coverage of semi-literatehouseholds where a patriarch brandishing a well-thumbed copy of the Koranchased away the doctors, social services and all other Western busybodies. The analogy is hardly preposterous. When imams in Nigeria managed topersuade tens of thousands of followers that they should boycott the poliovaccine because it was actually a Western plot to render them infertile, theensuing outcry was almost racist in its condescension: what, don’t they knowany better? But the same can be asked of the middle-class parents who joinedthe anti-MMR crusade. Dr Wakefield failed to disclose that the parents of 11 of the 12 children inhis original study were suing the manufacturers of the MMR vaccine; and thathe had been hired to help them by a firm of solicitors. Since thenscientific evidence against Dr Wakefield’s findings has been conclusive:epidemiological and virological studies, including one that examined half amillion children born in Denmark, found absolutely no link between the MMRvaccine and autism. Yet middle-class mummies and daddies still wearopposition to MMR like a badge of honour. The General Medical Council last week, quite rightly, started disciplinary proceedings against Dr Wakefield. But while he could be struck off the medical register, vilified as the Abu Hamza of the medical profession, what of his followers? We need to deal with the hysterical middle-class parents who, in the name of love, risk dragging Britain back to an era of high child mortality. The answer lies in education, education, education: we cannot force parents to become scientifically literate, but we can ensure that their children’s attendance of schools, state or private, depends on their having had a complete set of jabs. Only then will the well-clad, well-heeled troops turn round their SUVs and beat a retreat. Sneak preview the all-new .com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Hey idiot, you want others to be forced to take medical care? How nice for you. How nice that the other mothers get this issue. This is a healthy debate to have. White, middle-class, loving mums. And their stupitidy could kill your child http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,6-2231905,00.html White, middle-class, loving mums. And their stupitidy could kill your childCristina OdoneIt isn’t enough that my daughter has had her MMR jab. Her friends must havethem tooTHE CHILDREN’S birthday party was in full swing: balloons, jelly, organicmilk, Marmite sandwiches and rosy faces. One of the other mothers rufflesher three-year-old’s hair: “There was no way I was going to let Harry havethe MMR — he’s the only child I’m going to have and I don’t want him goingautistic on me.” Panic-stricken, I look around the room: nine toddlers, aged between 2 and 4.How many of their mothers share this one’s view about MMR? How many of thesechildren have never been immunised? Given that herd protection needs avaccination rate of 92 per cent, it is not enough that my own daughter,almost 3, has received her MMR jabs; her friends need to be vaccinated too. I want to go up to the woman and shake her: do you realise you risk hurting,even killing, your son and those he comes in contact with? Measles can kill,mumps can lead to infertility and deafness, and a pregnant woman infectedwith rubella has an 83 per cent chance of giving birth to a child with somedeformity. Yet parents such as her get away with it. They are middle-classand clean-cut, well meaning and well spoken. We indulge them because theyassure us, ever so eloquently, that they are motivated by parental love. Wecut them slack because we are convinced that even irrational fear, when insuch cosy packaging, cannot have dangerous consequences. We are wrong. Last week the Health Protection Agency reported the worstincidence of measles in 20 years. Three months ago the first child in 14years was killed by the virus. Pockets of infection have surfaced in Surreyand in Yorkshire. We face a real health scare, because rogue parents fellfor a bogus health scare — the one linking the MMR vaccine to autism. It is eight years since Wakefield began agitating against the MMR jabIn that time he managed to persuade hundreds of thousands to keep theirchildren from taking part in the immunisation programme. Dr Wakefield, aformer gut surgeon, was an extraordinarily convincing spokesman: when hemade public his claims at a press conference at the Royal Free he throbbedwith messianic ardour and heartfelt concern for those poor innocents whomthe State wished to inject with poison. When he faced critics who pointed out that he built his thesis on a skewedsample of only 12 children, he played the medical martyr who risked hiscareer for the good of others. Anxious parents, unsure of their science and suspicious of the nanny state,were Dr Wakefield’s apostles. They rushed to spread his message and live outhis commandments. Boden-wearing mothers and SUV-driving fathers refused to do the authorities’bidding and vowed to protect their children from the evil that would beperpetrated against them. The Boden sundress and capable car determined the reaction that theseparents aroused. Countless mothers and fathers shivered at the images of amiddle-class couple looking on as their autistic son failed to show any signof recognition. Even some doctors took seriously their descriptions of aterrifying fear and an all-engulfing guilt: these people were obviouslyeducated, perhaps even knew something of biology, so their experience andworries could not be dismissed out of hand. The media loved to feature theirharrowing tales, relishing the contrast between these couples’ orderly andwell-heeled existence and the dark, primitive fear that prompted them torebel against the authorities. As for the Government, the Blairites didn’tdare take on this powerful and influential constituency, and opted out offorcing MMR upon all school children — a surefire method adopted already inAmerica, where a child’s inoculation records must be presented beforeadmission to any school. Now: imagine the brouhaha if the Wakefield weirdos had been not middle-classwhites but, let’s say, Muslims. Other parents would have been up in arms,raging against the superstitious claptrap that risked landing their littleone in hospital. The media would have wallowed in coverage of semi-literatehouseholds where a patriarch brandishing a well-thumbed copy of the Koranchased away the doctors, social services and all other Western busybodies. The analogy is hardly preposterous. When imams in Nigeria managed topersuade tens of thousands of followers that they should boycott the poliovaccine because it was actually a Western plot to render them infertile, theensuing outcry was almost racist in its condescension: what, don’t they knowany better? But the same can be asked of the middle-class parents who joinedthe anti-MMR crusade. Dr Wakefield failed to disclose that the parents of 11 of the 12 children inhis original study were suing the manufacturers of the MMR vaccine; and thathe had been hired to help them by a firm of solicitors. Since thenscientific evidence against Dr Wakefield’s findings has been conclusive:epidemiological and virological studies, including one that examined half amillion children born in Denmark, found absolutely no link between the MMRvaccine and autism. Yet middle-class mummies and daddies still wearopposition to MMR like a badge of honour. The General Medical Council last week, quite rightly, started disciplinary proceedings against Dr Wakefield. But while he could be struck off the medical register, vilified as the Abu Hamza of the medical profession, what of his followers? We need to deal with the hysterical middle-class parents who, in the name of love, risk dragging Britain back to an era of high child mortality. The answer lies in education, education, education: we cannot force parents to become scientifically literate, but we can ensure that their children’s attendance of schools, state or private, depends on their having had a complete set of jabs. Only then will the well-clad, well-heeled troops turn round their SUVs and beat a retreat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 If anyone wants "herd immunity", we suggest they start ferreting out the reason for the autism epidemic (we know that answer) and deal with it. Good to the see the British are voting on their medical establishment with their feet. Very healthy to have this debate. Re: White, middle-class, loving mums. And their stupitidy could kill your child Sorry, but there is NO "herd immunity" with the measles virus, it is too aggressive an infection. Look it up in an immunology text or ask Dr. H. Hugh Fudenberg. L. Stone, M.D.Isabella <isabellathomas@...> wrote: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,6-2231905,00.html White, middle-class, loving mums. And their stupitidy could kill your childCristina OdoneIt isn’t enough that my daughter has had her MMR jab. Her friends must havethem tooTHE CHILDREN’S birthday party was in full swing: balloons, jelly, organicmilk, Marmite sandwiches and rosy faces. One of the other mothers rufflesher three-year-old’s hair: “There was no way I was going to let Harry havethe MMR — he’s the only child I’m going to have and I don’t want him goingautistic on me.” Panic-stricken, I look around the room: nine toddlers, aged between 2 and 4.How many of their mothers share this one’s view about MMR? How many of thesechildren have never been immunised? Given that herd protection needs avaccination rate of 92 per cent, it is not enough that my own daughter,almost 3, has received her MMR jabs; her friends need to be vaccinated too. I want to go up to the woman and shake her: do you realise you risk hurting,even killing, your son and those he comes in contact with? Measles can kill,mumps can lead to infertility and deafness, and a pregnant woman infectedwith rubella has an 83 per cent chance of giving birth to a child with somedeformity. Yet parents such as her get away with it. They are middle-classand clean-cut, well meaning and well spoken. We indulge them because theyassure us, ever so eloquently, that they are motivated by parental love. Wecut them slack because we are convinced that even irrational fear, when insuch cosy packaging, cannot have dangerous consequences. We are wrong. Last week the Health Protection Agency reported the worstincidence of measles in 20 years. Three months ago the first child in 14years was killed by the virus. Pockets of infection have surfaced in Surreyand in Yorkshire. We face a real health scare, because rogue parents fellfor a bogus health scare — the one linking the MMR vaccine to autism. It is eight years since Wakefield began agitating against the MMR jabIn that time he managed to persuade hundreds of thousands to keep theirchildren from taking part in the immunisation programme. Dr Wakefield, aformer gut surgeon, was an extraordinarily convincing spokesman: when hemade public his claims at a press conference at the Royal Free he throbbedwith messianic ardour and heartfelt concern for those poor innocents whomthe State wished to inject with poison. When he faced critics who pointed out that he built his thesis on a skewedsample of only 12 children, he played the medical martyr who risked hiscareer for the good of others. Anxious parents, unsure of their science and suspicious of the nanny state,were Dr Wakefield’s apostles. They rushed to spread his message and live outhis commandments. Boden-wearing mothers and SUV-driving fathers refused to do the authorities’bidding and vowed to protect their children from the evil that would beperpetrated against them. The Boden sundress and capable car determined the reaction that theseparents aroused. Countless mothers and fathers shivered at the images of amiddle-class couple looking on as their autistic son failed to show any signof recognition. Even some doctors took seriously their descriptions of aterrifying fear and an all-engulfing guilt: these people were obviouslyeducated, perhaps even knew something of biology, so their experience andworries could not be dismissed out of hand. The media loved to feature theirharrowing tales, relishing the contrast between these couples’ orderly andwell-heeled existence and the dark, primitive fear that prompted them torebel against the authorities. As for the Government, the Blairites didn’tdare take on this powerful and influential constituency, and opted out offorcing MMR upon all school children — a surefire method adopted already inAmerica, where a child’s inoculation records must be presented beforeadmission to any school. Now: imagine the brouhaha if the Wakefield weirdos had been not middle-classwhites but, let’s say, Muslims. Other parents would have been up in arms,raging against the superstitious claptrap that risked landing their littleone in hospital. The media would have wallowed in coverage of semi-literatehouseholds where a patriarch brandishing a well-thumbed copy of the Koranchased away the doctors, social services and all other Western busybodies. The analogy is hardly preposterous. When imams in Nigeria managed topersuade tens of thousands of followers that they should boycott the poliovaccine because it was actually a Western plot to render them infertile, theensuing outcry was almost racist in its condescension: what, don’t they knowany better? But the same can be asked of the middle-class parents who joinedthe anti-MMR crusade. Dr Wakefield failed to disclose that the parents of 11 of the 12 children inhis original study were suing the manufacturers of the MMR vaccine; and thathe had been hired to help them by a firm of solicitors. Since thenscientific evidence against Dr Wakefield’s findings has been conclusive:epidemiological and virological studies, including one that examined half amillion children born in Denmark, found absolutely no link between the MMRvaccine and autism. Yet middle-class mummies and daddies still wearopposition to MMR like a badge of honour. The General Medical Council last week, quite rightly, started disciplinary proceedings against Dr Wakefield. But while he could be struck off the medical register, vilified as the Abu Hamza of the medical profession, what of his followers? We need to deal with the hysterical middle-class parents who, in the name of love, risk dragging Britain back to an era of high child mortality. The answer lies in education, education, education: we cannot force parents to become scientifically literate, but we can ensure that their children’s attendance of schools, state or private, depends on their having had a complete set of jabs. Only then will the well-clad, well-heeled troops turn round their SUVs and beat a retreat. Sneak preview the all-new .com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 for Tom Stone TGEC Dabush eoidemi9ol9oguc studies published un Kabcey 1999 and N.Eng. J. Med 2000 were on children who received vaccines devoid of thimersol. banned in the Scandinavian countries in 1992. If you wish a copy of my letter to the Baltimore Sun on thisd topic, call me 864 592 8076. Re: White, middle-class, loving mums. And their stupitidy could kill your child Sorry, but there is NO "herd immunity" with the measles virus, it is too aggressive an infection. Look it up in an immunology text or ask Dr. H. Hugh Fudenberg. L. Stone, M.D.Isabella <isabellathomas@...> wrote: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,6-2231905,00.html White, middle-class, loving mums. And their stupitidy could kill your childCristina OdoneIt isn’t enough that my daughter has had her MMR jab. Her friends must havethem tooTHE CHILDREN’S birthday party was in full swing: balloons, jelly, organicmilk, Marmite sandwiches and rosy faces. One of the other mothers rufflesher three-year-old’s hair: “There was no way I was going to let Harry havethe MMR — he’s the only child I’m going to have and I don’t want him goingautistic on me.” Panic-stricken, I look around the room: nine toddlers, aged between 2 and 4.How many of their mothers share this one’s view about MMR? How many of thesechildren have never been immunised? Given that herd protection needs avaccination rate of 92 per cent, it is not enough that my own daughter,almost 3, has received her MMR jabs; her friends need to be vaccinated too. I want to go up to the woman and shake her: do you realise you risk hurting,even killing, your son and those he comes in contact with? Measles can kill,mumps can lead to infertility and deafness, and a pregnant woman infectedwith rubella has an 83 per cent chance of giving birth to a child with somedeformity. Yet parents such as her get away with it. They are middle-classand clean-cut, well meaning and well spoken. We indulge them because theyassure us, ever so eloquently, that they are motivated by parental love. Wecut them slack because we are convinced that even irrational fear, when insuch cosy packaging, cannot have dangerous consequences. We are wrong. Last week the Health Protection Agency reported the worstincidence of measles in 20 years. Three months ago the first child in 14years was killed by the virus. Pockets of infection have surfaced in Surreyand in Yorkshire. We face a real health scare, because rogue parents fellfor a bogus health scare — the one linking the MMR vaccine to autism. It is eight years since Wakefield began agitating against the MMR jabIn that time he managed to persuade hundreds of thousands to keep theirchildren from taking part in the immunisation programme. Dr Wakefield, aformer gut surgeon, was an extraordinarily convincing spokesman: when hemade public his claims at a press conference at the Royal Free he throbbedwith messianic ardour and heartfelt concern for those poor innocents whomthe State wished to inject with poison. When he faced critics who pointed out that he built his thesis on a skewedsample of only 12 children, he played the medical martyr who risked hiscareer for the good of others. Anxious parents, unsure of their science and suspicious of the nanny state,were Dr Wakefield’s apostles. They rushed to spread his message and live outhis commandments. Boden-wearing mothers and SUV-driving fathers refused to do the authorities’bidding and vowed to protect their children from the evil that would beperpetrated against them. The Boden sundress and capable car determined the reaction that theseparents aroused. Countless mothers and fathers shivered at the images of amiddle-class couple looking on as their autistic son failed to show any signof recognition. Even some doctors took seriously their descriptions of aterrifying fear and an all-engulfing guilt: these people were obviouslyeducated, perhaps even knew something of biology, so their experience andworries could not be dismissed out of hand. The media loved to feature theirharrowing tales, relishing the contrast between these couples’ orderly andwell-heeled existence and the dark, primitive fear that prompted them torebel against the authorities. As for the Government, the Blairites didn’tdare take on this powerful and influential constituency, and opted out offorcing MMR upon all school children — a surefire method adopted already inAmerica, where a child’s inoculation records must be presented beforeadmission to any school. Now: imagine the brouhaha if the Wakefield weirdos had been not middle-classwhites but, let’s say, Muslims. Other parents would have been up in arms,raging against the superstitious claptrap that risked landing their littleone in hospital. The media would have wallowed in coverage of semi-literatehouseholds where a patriarch brandishing a well-thumbed copy of the Koranchased away the doctors, social services and all other Western busybodies. The analogy is hardly preposterous. When imams in Nigeria managed topersuade tens of thousands of followers that they should boycott the poliovaccine because it was actually a Western plot to render them infertile, theensuing outcry was almost racist in its condescension: what, don’t they knowany better? But the same can be asked of the middle-class parents who joinedthe anti-MMR crusade. Dr Wakefield failed to disclose that the parents of 11 of the 12 children inhis original study were suing the manufacturers of the MMR vaccine; and thathe had been hired to help them by a firm of solicitors. Since thenscientific evidence against Dr Wakefield’s findings has been conclusive:epidemiological and virological studies, including one that examined half amillion children born in Denmark, found absolutely no link between the MMRvaccine and autism. Yet middle-class mummies and daddies still wearopposition to MMR like a badge of honour. The General Medical Council last week, quite rightly, started disciplinary proceedings against Dr Wakefield. But while he could be struck off the medical register, vilified as the Abu Hamza of the medical profession, what of his followers? We need to deal with the hysterical middle-class parents who, in the name of love, risk dragging Britain back to an era of high child mortality. The answer lies in education, education, education: we cannot force parents to become scientifically literate, but we can ensure that their children’s attendance of schools, state or private, depends on their having had a complete set of jabs. Only then will the well-clad, well-heeled troops turn round their SUVs and beat a retreat. Sneak preview the all-new .com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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