Re: OMG! Doctors want to screen out embryos with autism

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OMG!

Ada

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This is despicable!

Lila

A TEAM of doctors at one of Britain's leading hospitals

wants to create the country's first " designer babies " free from

autism. They are preparing an application to the fertility watchdog

that would allow them to screen out male embryos to reduce

significantly the chance of a couple having an autistic child.

>

[Guest guest]

This is basically a non-story published to push the misleading headline.

OMG! Doctors want to screen out embryos with autism

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2230764,00.html

The Sunday Times - Britain

The Sunday Times

June 18, 2006

Doctors want to screen out embryos with autism-Kate Templeton, Health Correspondent

A TEAM of doctors at one of Britain’s leading hospitals wants to create the country’s first “designer babies” free from autism. They are preparing an application to the fertility watchdog that would allow them to screen out male embryos to reduce significantly the chance of a couple having an autistic child.

As boys are four times more likely to be born with autism than girls, couples with a family history of the condition want to ensure they have only girls. Such sex selection is not at present permitted.

The technique, called pre-implantation genetic diagnosis (PGD), has been used to create babies free from life-threatening illnesses such as Duchenne muscular dystrophy and haemophilia.

However, screening embryos to prevent babies being born with autism would prove controversial because children born with the disorder can live long and healthy lives. Critics claim the treatment would be a step closer to creating babies free from all imperfections.

The team at University College Hospital’s assisted conception unit in London decided to apply for a licence for the procedure after they were approached by a couple with a history of autism in the family.

Joy Delhanty, professor of human genetics at University College London medical school, said couples would undergo the treatment only if autism had inflicted severe suffering on the family.

Couples requesting the procedure would need to go through a gruelling in-vitro fertilisation cycle, even though they had no difficulty conceiving naturally. The technique could be used only to prevent the hereditary form of autism, which affects about 10% of cases. It is not known what causes autism in many children.

Delhanty said: “Normally we would not consider this unless there were at least two boys affected in the immediate family. We would be reducing the risk of autism. Couples are not going to undertake this lightly when we explain what they are going to need to go through.”

Two other families have previously approached the clinic requesting pre-implantation genetic diagnosis. In both cases they are understood to have had two sons with autism and hoped to have a daughter free from the condition.

Delhanty hopes that now that the rules have been relaxed to allow PGD screening for breast cancer the authorities will also consider screening for autism. The team will research the pros and cons of the technique further before submitting an application to the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority.

The development would be strongly opposed by disabled groups. Simone Aspis, parliamentary and campaigns worker for the British Council of Disabled People, said: “Screening out autism would breed a fear that anyone who is different in any way will not be accepted. Screening for autism would create a society where only perfection is valued.”

Tony Blair has called for a new debate on late abortions. At a private meeting he told Cardinal O’Brien, head of the Catholic Church in Scotland, that most MPs might now back lowering the 24-week limit. He said there were “very troubling issues” involved and that the viability of foetuses had changed since the legislation was introduced in 1967.

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A historical screwup (thimerosal in vaccines and the vaccine protocol) begets an epidemic of autism and other neurological/autoimmune/immune dysfunction disorders.

Rather than ferret out the reasons and help fix the problem, corruption, dishonesty and self-preservation begets a eugenics/genetic solution for something (by their own admission) they do not even understand- at a point in time (embryo) when autism does not exist, unless they have already exposed the embryo to an environmental insult to provoke an autoimmune response and the development of autistic traits.

These people are evil.

OMG! Doctors want to screen out embryos with autism

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2230764,00.html

The Sunday Times - Britain

The Sunday Times

June 18, 2006

Doctors want to screen out embryos with autism-Kate Templeton, Health Correspondent

A TEAM of doctors at one of Britain’s leading hospitals wants to create the country’s first “designer babies” free from autism. They are preparing an application to the fertility watchdog that would allow them to screen out male embryos to reduce significantly the chance of a couple having an autistic child.

As boys are four times more likely to be born with autism than girls, couples with a family history of the condition want to ensure they have only girls. Such sex selection is not at present permitted.

The technique, called pre-implantation genetic diagnosis (PGD), has been used to create babies free from life-threatening illnesses such as Duchenne muscular dystrophy and haemophilia.

However, screening embryos to prevent babies being born with autism would prove controversial because children born with the disorder can live long and healthy lives. Critics claim the treatment would be a step closer to creating babies free from all imperfections.

The team at University College Hospital’s assisted conception unit in London decided to apply for a licence for the procedure after they were approached by a couple with a history of autism in the family.

Joy Delhanty, professor of human genetics at University College London medical school, said couples would undergo the treatment only if autism had inflicted severe suffering on the family.

Couples requesting the procedure would need to go through a gruelling in-vitro fertilisation cycle, even though they had no difficulty conceiving naturally. The technique could be used only to prevent the hereditary form of autism, which affects about 10% of cases. It is not known what causes autism in many children.

Delhanty said: “Normally we would not consider this unless there were at least two boys affected in the immediate family. We would be reducing the risk of autism. Couples are not going to undertake this lightly when we explain what they are going to need to go through.”

Two other families have previously approached the clinic requesting pre-implantation genetic diagnosis. In both cases they are understood to have had two sons with autism and hoped to have a daughter free from the condition.

Delhanty hopes that now that the rules have been relaxed to allow PGD screening for breast cancer the authorities will also consider screening for autism. The team will research the pros and cons of the technique further before submitting an application to the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority.

The development would be strongly opposed by disabled groups. Simone Aspis, parliamentary and campaigns worker for the British Council of Disabled People, said: “Screening out autism would breed a fear that anyone who is different in any way will not be accepted. Screening for autism would create a society where only perfection is valued.”

Tony Blair has called for a new debate on late abortions. At a private meeting he told Cardinal O’Brien, head of the Catholic Church in Scotland, that most MPs might now back lowering the 24-week limit. He said there were “very troubling issues” involved and that the viability of foetuses had changed since the legislation was introduced in 1967.

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Maybe so, but if the pro-life/anti-abortion lobby can push back hard, that's a step in the right direction.

OMG! Doctors want to screen out embryos with autism

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2230764,00.html

The Sunday Times - Britain

The Sunday Times

June 18, 2006

Doctors want to screen out embryos with autism-Kate Templeton, Health Correspondent

A TEAM of doctors at one of Britain’s leading hospitals wants to create the country’s first “designer babies” free from autism. They are preparing an application to the fertility watchdog that would allow them to screen out male embryos to reduce significantly the chance of a couple having an autistic child.

As boys are four times more likely to be born with autism than girls, couples with a family history of the condition want to ensure they have only girls. Such sex selection is not at present permitted.

The technique, called pre-implantation genetic diagnosis (PGD), has been used to create babies free from life-threatening illnesses such as Duchenne muscular dystrophy and haemophilia.

However, screening embryos to prevent babies being born with autism would prove controversial because children born with the disorder can live long and healthy lives. Critics claim the treatment would be a step closer to creating babies free from all imperfections.

The team at University College Hospital’s assisted conception unit in London decided to apply for a licence for the procedure after they were approached by a couple with a history of autism in the family.

Joy Delhanty, professor of human genetics at University College London medical school, said couples would undergo the treatment only if autism had inflicted severe suffering on the family.

Couples requesting the procedure would need to go through a gruelling in-vitro fertilisation cycle, even though they had no difficulty conceiving naturally. The technique could be used only to prevent the hereditary form of autism, which affects about 10% of cases. It is not known what causes autism in many children.

Delhanty said: “Normally we would not consider this unless there were at least two boys affected in the immediate family. We would be reducing the risk of autism. Couples are not going to undertake this lightly when we explain what they are going to need to go through.”

Two other families have previously approached the clinic requesting pre-implantation genetic diagnosis. In both cases they are understood to have had two sons with autism and hoped to have a daughter free from the condition.

Delhanty hopes that now that the rules have been relaxed to allow PGD screening for breast cancer the authorities will also consider screening for autism. The team will research the pros and cons of the technique further before submitting an application to the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority.

The development would be strongly opposed by disabled groups. Simone Aspis, parliamentary and campaigns worker for the British Council of Disabled People, said: “Screening out autism would breed a fear that anyone who is different in any way will not be accepted. Screening for autism would create a society where only perfection is valued.”

Tony Blair has called for a new debate on late abortions. At a private meeting he told Cardinal O’Brien, head of the Catholic Church in Scotland, that most MPs might now back lowering the 24-week limit. He said there were “very troubling issues” involved and that the viability of foetuses had changed since the legislation was introduced in 1967.

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Bingo! This is the first thing I thought. It makes the unsuspecting,

uninfornmed reader subconsciously put the idea that this condition

is something that kids are always born with, not acquired.

What a bunch of assholes. What will they think of next?

>

> This is basically a non-story published to push the misleading

headline.

>

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Like everyone is saying, this practice promotes the fact that autism is purely genetic and there is no environmental trigger. Even most genetics will agree it's both. Of course they keep looking for the gene- because that's what they do.

But, if you have 2 Identical twins and one has autism and the other doesn't (which has happened), then this whole practice of aborting children with the gene is CRAZY.

Anyone know the history of Downs- when they found the gene and people started getting abortions because of it? was there backlash?

I heard a story about a woman who was told her fetus has Downs and she didn't get an abortion. Then the child was born healthy. Surprise

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One might say, "I didn't even know I wanted a "autism-free" baby until they told me I need one and then said I can't have one.

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OMG! Doctors want to screen out embryos with autism

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2230764,00.html

The Sunday Times - Britain

The Sunday Times

June 18, 2006

Doctors want to screen out embryos with autism-Kate Templeton, Health Correspondent

A TEAM of doctors at one of Britain’s leading hospitals wants to create the country’s first “designer babies” free from autism. They are preparing an application to the fertility watchdog that would allow them to screen out male embryos to reduce significantly the chance of a couple having an autistic child.

As boys are four times more likely to be born with autism than girls, couples with a family history of the condition want to ensure they have only girls. Such sex selection is not at present permitted.

The technique, called pre-implantation genetic diagnosis (PGD), has been used to create babies free from life-threatening illnesses such as Duchenne muscular dystrophy and haemophilia.

However, screening embryos to prevent babies being born with autism would prove controversial because children born with the disorder can live long and healthy lives. Critics claim the treatment would be a step closer to creating babies free from all imperfections.

The team at University College Hospital’s assisted conception unit in London decided to apply for a licence for the procedure after they were approached by a couple with a history of autism in the family.

Joy Delhanty, professor of human genetics at University College London medical school, said couples would undergo the treatment only if autism had inflicted severe suffering on the family.

Couples requesting the procedure would need to go through a gruelling in-vitro fertilisation cycle, even though they had no difficulty conceiving naturally. The technique could be used only to prevent the hereditary form of autism, which affects about 10% of cases. It is not known what causes autism in many children.

Delhanty said: “Normally we would not consider this unless there were at least two boys affected in the immediate family. We would be reducing the risk of autism. Couples are not going to undertake this lightly when we explain what they are going to need to go through.”

Two other families have previously approached the clinic requesting pre-implantation genetic diagnosis. In both cases they are understood to have had two sons with autism and hoped to have a daughter free from the condition.

Delhanty hopes that now that the rules have been relaxed to allow PGD screening for breast cancer the authorities will also consider screening for autism. The team will research the pros and cons of the technique further before submitting an application to the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority.

The development would be strongly opposed by disabled groups. Simone Aspis, parliamentary and campaigns worker for the British Council of Disabled People, said: “Screening out autism would breed a fear that anyone who is different in any way will not be accepted. Screening for autism would create a society where only perfection is valued.”

Tony Blair has called for a new debate on late abortions. At a private meeting he told Cardinal O’Brien, head of the Catholic Church in Scotland, that most MPs might now back lowering the 24-week limit. He said there were “very troubling issues” involved and that the viability of foetuses had changed since the legislation was introduced in 1967.

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I had a good friend who was told her baby would be born with Downs.

She was miserable her entire pregnancy. Nine months later, she had a

beautiful healthy baby girl WITHOUT Downs! Over the strenuous

objections of our doctor, my husband and I declined testing even tho

I was 37 and pregnant with our only son. There are lots of false

positives and they can't tell you how bad the Downs will be. We

decided we would love what God gave us. We have a beautiful son!

>

> Like everyone is saying, this practice promotes the fact that

autism is

> purely genetic and there is no environmental trigger. Even most

genetics

> will agree it's both. Of course they keep looking for the gene-

because

> that's what they do.

>

> But, if you have 2 Identical twins and one has autism and the other

doesn't

> (which has happened), then this whole practice of aborting children

with the

> gene is CRAZY.

>

> Anyone know the history of Downs- when they found the gene and

people

> started getting abortions because of it? was there backlash?

>

> I heard a story about a woman who was told her fetus has Downs and

she

> didn't get an abortion. Then the child was born healthy.

Surprise

>

>

>

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I am not so sure why people are so scandalized by this (and I am not directing this question specifically in response posts on this list). The ultimate tool of eugenic engineering is abortion. If abortion is protected by a woman's right to privacy, it seems only logical that privacy could also be invoked for the right to so pre-select offspring no matter how trivial the reason. You don't need to have a good reason to have an abortion. You can 'terminate' a fetus, but you can't pre-sort for it? What logic makes one ok, and not the other? Is it a matter of esthetics?

Lenny

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That's the problem, our laws are crazy. Actually, a fetus can be

terminated up to nine months, but the older the baby gets, the more

difficult it becomes, unless the woman is around those who believe in

murdering the " imperfect " .

Yes abortion doesn't need a legal reason. A woman can abort her baby,

yet if someone kills her, the person is often charged with two counts

of murder. Makes no sense to me. Does that mean if the child was

wanted it's human but if not wanted it's a clump of cells?

Debi

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How is only birthing a girl in a family full of people with autism

going to " slow the epidemic " ? Girls have autism, just check out the

1000 memembership of the autismingirls board. And, considering that

it's environmental causes being proven more and more every day causing

the epidemic, then fixing those is what will prevent the epidemic, not

only birthing girls.

Debi

>

> Just posing this question. Is it really wrong to try and prevent

this epidemic from really turning into a pandemic ?

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have a friend who after have 2 boys

with autism had selective in-vitro to only have a girl. She lives in Australia so it

had to be approved by the government. The girl is healthy and lovely. Several

years later, she had another boy, who’s in therapy now.

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of Debi

Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 11:04

AM

EOHarm

Subject: Re: OMG! Doctors

want to screen out embryos with autism

How is only birthing a girl in a family full of people

with autism

going to " slow the epidemic " ? Girls have autism, just check out the

1000 memembership of the autismingirls board. And, considering that

it's environmental causes being proven more and more every day causing

the epidemic, then fixing those is what will prevent the epidemic, not

only birthing girls.

Debi

>

> Just posing this question. Is it really wrong to try and prevent

this epidemic from really turning into a pandemic ?

>

>

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There are tons of unethical and flawed practices involved in all research protocols. Nevertheless, we have to continue doing research. Decent honest people, just have to maintain aggressive vigilence to ensure wheat is removed from the chaff. Skepticism is important and healthy when viewing all research. As long as we all remain true to our integrity base, the charletans will be exposed and honest discourse will ensure which research is valid Take care n"Mark Sircus Ac., OMD" <director@...> wrote: You mean they are doing what they do best, despicalbe anti human anti soul anti feminine things. Mark I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users.It has removed 1644 spam emails to date.Paying users do not have this message in their emails.Try SPAMfighter for free now! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates.

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I guess this is the "shoe on the other foot" gender selection going on in the infanticide world of the Indians and Chinese.

RE: Re: OMG! Doctors want to screen out embryos with autism

I have a friend who after have 2 boys with autism had selective in-vitro to only have a girl. She lives in Australia so it had to be approved by the government. The girl is healthy and lovely. Several years later, she had another boy, who’s in therapy now.

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of DebiSent: Monday, June 19, 2006 11:04 AMEOHarm Subject: Re: OMG! Doctors want to screen out embryos with autism

How is only birthing a girl in a family full of people with autismgoing to "slow the epidemic"? Girls have autism, just check out the1000 memembership of the autismingirls board. And, considering thatit's environmental causes being proven more and more every day causingthe epidemic, then fixing those is what will prevent the epidemic, notonly birthing girls. Debi>> Just posing this question. Is it really wrong to try and preventthis epidemic from really turning into a pandemic ? > >