Guest guest Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 > From next year immunised children will be issued with a certificate when they are turn five to prove they have had the recommended vaccinations. > Dr McIntyre said he hoped the new system would allow schools to more easily identify children who had not been immunised and warn parents they may be excluded from school if there is a disease outbreak. ----------------------------------------------- There is a card system in India. The cards are issued to all mothers after childhood. It guides them as to when they must give the shots to their children. If the child is not immunised or is not given all the shots the peds just flare up and refuse to treat them. I have seen children who have not been immunised at all. They are a very quiet and obidient lot (not shy), very neat and clean in appearance, very polite, and yes, very intelligent too. The grand daughter of a local homeopath is one such child who has grown up before me. She is in her teens now, very strong and healthy and very modest and spiritual. When I see her I feel strongly for the other children who could have shared the same traits as her. I try my best to spread awareness about vacs in India. I work full time and relentlessly at it. It is not very easy to convince the people. Many agree with me but go ahead with the vacs anyway, scared by the pep talks of the peds who scare them with the spectre of polio. If only the people here were less docile and learned to question their doctors and oppose their threats. Now with Swami Ramdev, a firebrand monk, joining the cause for holistic health, people are slowly waking up to the dangers of modern medicine. But vacccination is an issue where the government will not show any leniency. The reason of course is the " health " for all policy of the WHO. I suspect the WHO ties up the issue of medical aid to Third World countries with the success of vaccination drives. Now that Swami Ramdev has travelled to the UK and has been honoured there, being invited by the Queen to a banquet (the Swami takes a pure fruit diet) and is also slated to meet the Prince and the PM, his stature is bound to grow in India. Maybe then he can be pursuaded to take up the subject of vaccination. When I look at the awareness levels of the people of the American and European countries, and their strong sense of personal rights, I feel very happy. Here it feels like dashing against a wall. But I am not one to give up so easily. Jag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 For what it's worth, here's my two cents:Unless I am misreading the data, the spike in autism occurred not when vaccines first appeared but rather when we started doing LOTS of vacs at a very early age. Without minimizing the dangers posed by modern medicine run amok, I submit that we already know what happens when nobody gets vaccinated at all: call them plagues or epidemics, but we had a lot of them before vacs and that was before air travel made it possible to spread a bug around the world in a few days. The case is solid that the way we are vaccinating now is harming children, including my own son who was diagnosed with ASD last year, but before we throw the baby out with the bathwater we might want to look for a more sane and humane vaccination schedule: single antigen vaccines, spread out over a greater period, at a later age and larger body mass, etc. This might let us keep the benefits of vaccines without the risks to our children. I admit that I cannot prove it; alas, there are interests fighting to prevent research into making vaccines safer because that would imply that they're not perfectly safe already.-TimOn Jul 15, 2006, at 12:28 AM, jagchat01 wrote:> From next year immunised children will be issued with a certificate when they are turn five to prove they have had the recommended vaccinations.> Dr McIntyre said he hoped the new system would allow schools to more easily identify children who had not been immunised and warn parents they may be excluded from school if there is a disease outbreak.-----------------------------------------------There is a card system in India. The cards are issued to all mothers after childhood. It guides them as to when they must give the shots to their children. If the child is not immunised or is not given all the shots the peds just flare up and refuse to treat them.I have seen children who have not been immunised at all. They are a very quiet and obidient lot (not shy), very neat and clean in appearance, very polite, and yes, very intelligent too. The grand daughter of a local homeopath is one such child who has grown up before me. She is in her teens now, very strong and healthy and very modest and spiritual. When I see her I feel strongly for the other children who could have shared the same traits as her.I try my best to spread awareness about vacs in India. I work full time and relentlessly at it. It is not very easy to convince the people. Many agree with me but go ahead with the vacs anyway, scared by the pep talks of the peds who scare them with the spectre of polio. If only the people here were less docile and learned to question their doctors and oppose their threats. Now with Swami Ramdev, a firebrand monk, joining the cause for holistic health, people are slowly waking up to the dangers of modern medicine. But vacccination is an issue where the government will not show any leniency. The reason of course is the "health" for all policy of the WHO. I suspect the WHO ties up the issue of medical aid to Third World countries with the success of vaccination drives.Now that Swami Ramdev has travelled to the UK and has been honoured there, being invited by the Queen to a banquet (the Swami takes a pure fruit diet) and is also slated to meet the Prince and the PM, his stature is bound to grow in India. Maybe then he can be pursuaded to take up the subject of vaccination.When I look at the awareness levels of the people of the American and European countries, and their strong sense of personal rights, I feel very happy. Here it feels like dashing against a wall. But I am not one to give up so easily.Jag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 Hi Tim, Not sure what data you're looking at, but the increase to the birth cohorts occurred as additional thimerosal was added. But either way, looking into vaccine safety or wanting to change the vaccine schedule is the rest of the iceberg that " they " don't want to discuss or research. Especially with pandemic drama, and adolescent and adult vaccinations all the rage. Money is the root of all denial. > > > From next year immunised children will be issued with a > > certificate when they are turn five to prove they have had the > > recommended vaccinations. > > > Dr McIntyre said he hoped the new system would allow schools to > > more easily identify children who had not been immunised and warn > > parents they may be excluded from school if there is a disease > > outbreak. > > ----------------------------------------------- > > > > There is a card system in India. The cards are issued to all mothers > > after childhood. It guides them as to when they must give the shots > > to their children. If the child is not immunised or is not given all > > the shots the peds just flare up and refuse to treat them. > > > > I have seen children who have not been immunised at all. They are a > > very quiet and obidient lot (not shy), very neat and clean in > > appearance, very polite, and yes, very intelligent too. > > > > The grand daughter of a local homeopath is one such child who has > > grown up before me. She is in her teens now, very strong and healthy > > and very modest and spiritual. When I see her I feel strongly for the > > other children who could have shared the same traits as her. > > > > I try my best to spread awareness about vacs in India. I work full > > time and relentlessly at it. It is not very easy to convince the > > people. Many agree with me but go ahead with the vacs anyway, scared > > by the pep talks of the peds who scare them with the spectre of > > polio. If only the people here were less docile and learned to > > question their doctors and oppose their threats. > > > > Now with Swami Ramdev, a firebrand monk, joining the cause for > > holistic health, people are slowly waking up to the dangers of modern > > medicine. But vacccination is an issue where the government will not > > show any leniency. The reason of course is the " health " for all > > policy of the WHO. I suspect the WHO ties up the issue of medical aid > > to Third World countries with the success of vaccination drives. > > > > Now that Swami Ramdev has travelled to the UK and has been honoured > > there, being invited by the Queen to a banquet (the Swami takes a > > pure fruit diet) and is also slated to meet the Prince and the PM, > > his stature is bound to grow in India. Maybe then he can be pursuaded > > to take up the subject of vaccination. > > > > When I look at the awareness levels of the people of the American and > > European countries, and their strong sense of personal rights, I feel > > very happy. Here it feels like dashing against a wall. But I am not > > one to give up so easily. > > > > Jag. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 and All, By statute, effective 22 December 1987, the National Vaccine Compensation Act has required that the Secretary of HHS and the Secretary's reports to do all they can to make the US childhood vaccination program in 42 U.S.C. 300aa-27 which states: > >42 USC Sec. 300aa-27 > >TITLE 42 - THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND WELFARE >CHAPTER 6A - PUBLIC HEALTH SERVICE >SUBCHAPTER XIX - VACCINES > >Part 2 - National Vaccine Injury Compensation > Program >subpart c - assuring a safer childhood > vaccination program in united states >Sec. 300aa-27. Mandate for safer childhood vaccines > > (a) General rule > In the administration of this part and > pertinent laws under the jurisdiction of > the other Secretary, the Secretary SHALL - > (1) promote the development of childhood > vaccines that result in fewer and > less serious adverse reactions than > those vaccines on the market on > December 22, 1987, and promote the > refinement of such vaccines, and > (2) MAKE or ASSURE IMPROVEMENTS IN, and > otherwise use the authorities of the > Secretary with respect to, the > licensing, manufacturing, processing, > testing, labeling, warning, use > instructions, distribution, storage, > administration, field surveillance, > adverse reaction reporting, and > recall of reactogenic lots or batches, > of vaccines, and research on vaccines, > in order TO REDUCE the RISKS OF > ADVERSE REACTIONS TO VACCINES. Hopefully, after reading this statute, you will at least know that a major part of the problem is the government's (HHS and, its subsidiary agencies, the NIH, CDC, and the FDA) failure to do what this statute has required them to do since 1987. Second, the evidence is that the major problem in vaccines up to the 1990s was the Thimerosal used in Thimerosal-preserved vaccines WITHOUT the REQUIRED PROOF that the dose if vaccine is " sufficiently nontoxic " to the recipient of the vaccine (as required by 21 CFR 610.15(a) for all biological drugs, including vaccines and serum-based drugs. Third, in spite of a promise in 1999 by all the players in the vaccines arena to REMOVE Thimerosal from all childhood vaccines as soon as possible, the truth is that not only have some vaccine makers continued to use Thimerosal and ONLY reduced, NOT, as promised, REMOVED Thimerosal from their childhood vaccines but also the government has continued to allow an INNEFECTIVE THIMEROSAL-PRESERVED INFLUENZA VACCINE to be administered to children but, starting in Dec. 2003, has knowingly and without proof of safety added this Thimerosal-preserved INEFECTIVE influenza vaccine to the recommended vaccination schedule for pregnant women and children 6 months of age to now (in 2006) up to 5 years of age. These actions have assured that some children will effectively be at the same (or, if their mother is vaccinated during pregnancy, a possibly higher risk, of harm by receiving bolus doses that add up to more than 100 micrograms of mercury by the time the child is 5 years of age. Yet the CDC and vaccine apologists continue to falsely claim that Thimerosal has been removed from childhood vaccines. Or they use a deceptive statement that Thimerosal has been removed from childhood vaccines as a preservative (which ONLY means that the level of Thimerosal has been reduced) EXCEPT for the influenza vaccine (meaning not only that it has not been reduced here, but, because the " flu " shot was, without proof of safety or effective- ness, ADDED to the childhood schedule in 2003, again INCREASED the maximun level of Thimerosal a child will receive from his or her childhood immunizations. They did this apparently to stop the drop in harm that was beginning to be observed in not only neurodevelopmental disorders, including autism, but also in type II diabetes, obesity, and possible some other childhood-onset diseases. The issue is not about vaccines per se. The issue is about HARMFUL vaccines and HARMFUL vaccination policies that are currently designed to apparently maximize the profit to the " healthcare establishment " and support the current level of harm to the public and the public's children with NO regard or care for the health of our children and ourselves. Hopefully, after reading this email, you " get it " -- understand the apparent " game " that a profit- and power- driven healthcare establishment is playing with, to those who understand the game, almost no care about the economic and physical health cost of their actions to the you and your children. The preceding realities are but one more proof that the United States of America has become a govennment of, by, and for the rich and powerful -- and not, as its founders hoped, a government of, by, and for the people. Respectfully, Dr. King http://www.dr-king.com PS: The mandatory " SHALL " requirements were part of the first " bargain " the Congress struck to protect the vaccine makers and givers from being sued and the public, through a tax on each vaccine component (currently, $0.75 per each), would directly assume the costs of " caring " for those children that they knew the 1980s vaccines was causing. However, instead of complying, the government seems to have simply ignored this, and other parts of the law and turned a blind eye to the reality that, after passage of this law, the vaccine makers KNOWINGLY INCREASED the " RISKS OF ADVERSE REACTIONS TO VACCINES " by increasing the level of Thimerosal exposure by adding more Thimerosal-preserved vaccine doses to the recommended childhood vaccination schedule in 2003! Hopefully, this " sleight of hand " posturing will come back to appropriately haunt the " healthcare establishment " it so obviously benefits. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ At 02:21 7/15/06 -0700, wrote: > >For what it's worth, here's my two cents: > >Unless I am misreading the data, the spike in >autism occurred not when vaccines first >appeared but rather when we started doing >LOTS of vacs at a very early age. Without >minimizing the dangers posed by modern >medicine run amok, I submit that we >already know what happens when nobody gets >vaccinated at all: call them plagues or >epidemics, but we had a lot of them before >vacs and that was before air travel made >it possible to spread a bug around the >world in a few days. > >The case is solid that the way we are >vaccinating now is harming children, >including my own son who was diagnosed >with ASD last year, but before we throw >the baby out with the bathwater we >might want to look for a more sane and >humane vaccination schedule: single >antigen vaccines, spread out over a >greater period, at a later age and >larger body mass, etc. > >This might let us keep the benefits >of vaccines without the risks to our >children. I admit that I cannot >prove it; alas, there are interests >fighting to prevent research into >making vaccines safer because that >would imply that they're not perfectly >safe already. > >-Tim > > >On Jul 15, 2006, at 12:28 AM, jagchat01 wrote: >> >> >> >> >> From next year immunised children will be issued with a >>certificate when they are turn five to prove they have had the >>recommended vaccinations. >> >> Dr McIntyre said he hoped the new system would allow schools to >>more easily identify children who had not been immunised and warn >>parents they may be excluded from school if there is a disease >>outbreak. >>----------------------------------------------- >> >>There is a card system in India. The cards are issued to all mothers >>after childhood. It guides them as to when they must give the shots >>to their children. If the child is not immunised or is not given all >>the shots the peds just flare up and refuse to treat them. >> >>I have seen children who have not been immunised at all. They are a >>very quiet and obidient lot (not shy), very neat and clean in >>appearance, very polite, and yes, very intelligent too. >> >>The grand daughter of a local homeopath is one such child who has >>grown up before me. She is in her teens now, very strong and healthy >>and very modest and spiritual. When I see her I feel strongly for the >>other children who could have shared the same traits as her. >> >>I try my best to spread awareness about vacs in India. I work full >>time and relentlessly at it. It is not very easy to convince the >>people. Many agree with me but go ahead with the vacs anyway, scared >>by the pep talks of the peds who scare them with the spectre of >>polio. If only the people here were less docile and learned to >>question their doctors and oppose their threats. >> >>Now with Swami Ramdev, a firebrand monk, joining the cause for >>holistic health, people are slowly waking up to the dangers of modern >>medicine. But vacccination is an issue where the government will not >>show any leniency. The reason of course is the " health " for all >>policy of the WHO. I suspect the WHO ties up the issue of medical aid >>to Third World countries with the success of vaccination drives. >> >>Now that Swami Ramdev has travelled to the UK and has been honoured >>there, being invited by the Queen to a banquet (the Swami takes a >>pure fruit diet) and is also slated to meet the Prince and the PM, >>his stature is bound to grow in India. Maybe then he can be pursuaded >>to take up the subject of vaccination. >> >>When I look at the awareness levels of the people of the American and >>European countries, and their strong sense of personal rights, I feel >>very happy. Here it feels like dashing against a wall. But I am not >>one to give up so easily.. >> >>Jag. >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 > I have seen children who have not been immunised at all. They are a> very quiet and obidient lot (not shy), very neat and clean in> appearance, very polite, and yes, very intelligent too.< After my oldest grandson regressed into autism in 1997 I was able to convince my son and his wife that their children could be harmed by vaccines. There first child was born in 2000, and he received only one Hib but no more. She said he was not able to handle formula except for very a expensive one but had no problem like that before the Hib shot at 2 months. He didn't receive any more vaccines after that. Their daughter was born in July 2003. She has not received any vaccines. They have both been exceptionally healthy though they may show signs of seasonal allergies at times,as we live in the allergy capital of the world. They are both precocious and very intelligent in every way, but as for quiet, and respectful, lol, NOT. They are very opinionated and strong willed, but I am grateful they are healthy children. MY grandson who regressed into autism is on the GFCF diet as he is much more severe and suffers gastro problems when he is not on it. He has a few simple sentences he uses to convey what he wants, but they are very few. My heart breaks daily for him and I fear for his future. I have studied the vaccine connection for 7 years and am convinced that it is the poisons in them and the number of vaccines given that cause the most damage, ie, autism, death, etc. I do believe that it messes with the immune system of all children so it is the cause of many chronic diseases and conditions in children in my opinion. The fact that in outbreaks most cases are in the vaccinated against the illness, leads me to believe that vaccines aren't efficacious. I believe the lack of epidemics is due to better diet, hygiene and the water treatment we now have. It is to the advantage of those make and profit from vaccines to skew the data and those reading it and I doubt we will ever prove that my position is correct. We can only warn others and hope they will listen to us and maybe save a few children from harm. As to the immunity comment, I am immune to measles, mumps, chicken pox etc, as I had the diseases when a child. It is still the best way for our bodies to build immunity and for our immune systems to become strong. C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 The Virus and The Vaccine, which covers the scientific process & decisions of the polio vaccine, during the infancy of the vaccne program, explains clearly how little science has to do with decision-making regarding the safety of vaccines. What is shows is that ego, greed for profit, and down right stupidity are the ways the vaccine program is created. In the early '60's those responsible for the Salk and Sabin polio vaccines became aware of SV-40 being dangerous, they did nothing. Sabin himself suppressed evidence showing antibodies developing in human test subjects. Yet today we're told " trust us, we know what we're doing. " Not with my children. The book also very fairly portrays the horrors of polio, btw. It should have been up to the individuals all along to choose the risk of polio infection vs. the risk of vaccine adverse affect. The gov doesn't have the right to decide that for me or anyone else, despite it's strong-arm tactics to do just that, and the press hoorays them every step of the way. Debi - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Im with you there! Ange Re: Kids not immune > I have seen children who have not been immunised at all. They are a> very quiet and obidient lot (not shy), very neat and clean in> appearance, very polite, and yes, very intelligent too.< After my oldest grandson regressed into autism in 1997 I was able to convince my son and his wife that their children could be harmed by vaccines. There first child was born in 2000, and he received only one Hib but no more. She said he was not able to handle formula except for very a expensive one but had no problem like that before the Hib shot at 2 months. He didn't receive any more vaccines after that. Their daughter was born in July 2003. She has not received any vaccines. They have both been exceptionally healthy though they may show signs of seasonal allergies at times,as we live in the allergy capital of the world. They are both precocious and very intelligent in every way, but as for quiet, and respectful, lol, NOT. They are very opinionated and strong willed, but I am grateful they are healthy children. MY grandson who regressed into autism is on the GFCF diet as he is much more severe and suffers gastro problems when he is not on it. He has a few simple sentences he uses to convey what he wants, but they are very few. My heart breaks daily for him and I fear for his future. I have studied the vaccine connection for 7 years and am convinced that it is the poisons in them and the number of vaccines given that cause the most damage, ie, autism, death, etc. I do believe that it messes with the immune system of all children so it is the cause of many chronic diseases and conditions in children in my opinion. The fact that in outbreaks most cases are in the vaccinated against the illness, leads me to believe that vaccines aren't efficacious. I believe the lack of epidemics is due to better diet, hygiene and the water treatment we now have. It is to the advantage of those make and profit from vaccines to skew the data and those reading it and I doubt we will ever prove that my position is correct. We can only warn others and hope they will listen to us and maybe save a few children from harm. As to the immunity comment, I am immune to measles, mumps, chicken pox etc, as I had the diseases when a child. It is still the best way for our bodies to build immunity and for our immune systems to become strong. C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 For Debi How about Freedom of Choice? Thia bill was PASSED BY SUFFOLK COUNTY NY LEGISLATURE 1 MONTH AGO. HHF Re: Kids not immune The Virus and The Vaccine, which covers the scientific process & decisions of the polio vaccine, during the infancy of the vaccneprogram, explains clearly how little science has to do withdecision-making regarding the safety of vaccines. What is shows isthat ego, greed for profit, and down right stupidity are the ways thevaccine program is created. In the early '60's those responsible forthe Salk and Sabin polio vaccines became aware of SV-40 beingdangerous, they did nothing. Sabin himself suppressed evidence showingantibodies developing in human test subjects. Yet today we're told"trust us, we know what we're doing."Not with my children.The book also very fairly portrays the horrors of polio, btw. Itshould have been up to the individuals all along to choose the risk ofpolio infection vs. the risk of vaccine adverse affect. The govdoesn't have the right to decide that for me or anyone else, despiteit's strong-arm tactics to do just that, and the press hoorays themevery step of the way. Debi- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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