[SPAM?] Re: Re: Short Autism Film now on Autism Speaks

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These kids are bright, capable and understand an awful lot.

Many have high, even age appropriate cognition, although low volitional language.

They can be hurt.

We must take care.

Re: Short Autism Film now on Autism Speaks>> I'm not so sure mom was mortified. Given her tone and demeanor when> she said it, it sounded more like she was being hyperbolic --> exaggerating for effect as in "I am so hungry I could eat a horse.">

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> These kids are bright, capable and understand an awful lot.

Sorry, H. I disagree with your line of thought here. You cannot make

across the board judgments about " these kids " and then pontificate

about how " we must " do this that or the other around them.

> Many have high, even age appropriate cognition, although low

volitional language.

> They can be hurt.

> We must take care.

When my son hurts, he shows it. In fact, the more he hurts, the more

he shows it! Funny how that works. If you pay close enough attention

to your child's reactions you can tell when he hurts and is distressed

and you don't have to guess about cognition levels. So what I guess I

am saying is that I do not need patronly reminders to take care. I

put such advice in the same catagory as when someone tells me to

" drive carefully " . Well, yeah, sure -- I'm glad I was told that -- I

was about to drive recklessly had I not been reminded. But I know the

advice giver was mostly saying " I care about you " .

So your advice mostly tells me that you care about the feelings of

children and you like to show others that you do -- and that is nice

-- but there is no need to presume others don't care as much as you

and require enlightenment.

Lenny

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I didn't mean it that way, Lenny. It was more of a reminder, perhaps more of a reminder to me.

I'm no expert, but my point was that often I assume that there is no/very low cognition, when the cognition level may actually be higher than what I thought. One can never really know because the volitional language is often so limited. So I guess.

I sometimes say something in front of my child only to realize that maybe I shouldn't have said it.

Perhaps the generalization does not fit.

[sPAM?] Re: Re: Short Autism Film now on Autism Speaks

>> These kids are bright, capable and understand an awful lot.Sorry, H. I disagree with your line of thought here. You cannot makeacross the board judgments about "these kids" and then pontificateabout how "we must" do this that or the other around them. > Many have high, even age appropriate cognition, although lowvolitional language. > They can be hurt. > We must take care. When my son hurts, he shows it. In fact, the more he hurts, the morehe shows it! Funny how that works. If you pay close enough attentionto your child's reactions you can tell when he hurts and is distressedand you don't have to guess about cognition levels. So what I guess Iam saying is that I do not need patronly reminders to take care. Iput such advice in the same catagory as when someone tells me to"drive carefully". Well, yeah, sure -- I'm glad I was told that -- Iwas about to drive recklessly had I not been reminded. But I know theadvice giver was mostly saying "I care about you". So your advice mostly tells me that you care about the feelings ofchildren and you like to show others that you do -- and that is nice-- but there is no need to presume others don't care as much as youand require enlightenment.Lenny