Re: Why Offit won't debate

[Guest guest]

Maybe he's just cannon fodder in the greater scheme of things.

Cannon fodder speaking of collateral damage.

How fitting.

Why Offit won't debate

First of all, I'm not sure the decision is his to make. His "handlers" (ie Pharma) know he isn't up to the job. He's fine for certain purposes, doing lectures for other doctors (aka sympathetic audiences) and brief appearances on the news, because of his academic credentials. But he's a loose cannon, and his bosses know it. You guys have seen him- he is so emotional, high strung, nervous, even when just talking to a reporter- and nervous he should be, because our children threaten his livelihood. The Rotavirus fiasco could have been a career ender. His beloved Menactra is causing young people to get Guillain-Barre. Maybe he's feeling insecure? He sure looks like it- on the verge of crying or lashing out, even under fairly benign circumstances. And off camera, he has been witnessed to scream, shout, and generally make an ass of himself, when confronted with science-quoting, mercury-hating parents like us. He will even go out of his way to take his target away from potential witnesses, before tearing into them. Although not always, because these tantrums have in fact been witnessed.He just does not have what it takes to take us on- any one of us parents, much less the likes of Kirby. He doesn't have the science, but maybe even more important, he doesn't have the emotional stability. He would start losing style points immediately, which would go a long way toward losing the debate in the eyes of an audience that doesn't know anything about the topic. So, if he's the best "they" can do- well, how much longer will it be before we win in the court of public opinion, which is where it really counts?Yesterday, I got my hair cut, and when I talked to my hairdresser, I told her about mercury, vaccines, the whole issue- she knew nothing about it. Her son was born in 1989. It was a large pill for her to swallow- but the thing that sealed it, was when I told her, these kids weren't around when we were growing up. (We're both in our 40s). A light went off- she said, "yeah, mental retardation has always been around, but autism? ADHD? Learning disabilities? That just wasn't around when we were kids." Answer THAT, ."For here we are not afraid to follow truth wherever it may lead, nor to tolerate error so long as reason is free to combat it." Jefferson

[Guest guest]

Watched more of his unilateral debate at AEI.

From an examination of the production aspects C-SPAN, never to be

confused with the free press, or whatever company was hired to

provide C-SPAN the feed from the presentation was " minded " in the

control booth. I saw some pretty clear choreographing between Offit

and the booth director. The director seemed to know at what point of

the presentation Offit would turn to the folded USA Today paper.

What we got to see was the director holding a side angle for his eyes

ahead of when Offit reached over for the ad. Almost on cue, as soon

as Offit reached for J.B.'s ad the director dropped the screen

cluttering supers and cut to a front shot for a clear view of the ad.

Even with the best production people in live commercial TV, supers

don't drop until obviously blocking view. C-SPAN was too far out in

front of Offit on that one. That's a little uncanny, I think.

There was another point of the program where it appeared the booth

director was in on the gag. When the Randy guy claimed that

manufacturers needed to be greater compensated for vaccine injury,

Offit hunted for the red light and flashed his eyebrows up and down

several times for the camera.

I also noted that in similar fashion to when he refused to debate

Kirby on former MSNBC show Coast to Coast demanding to appear

alone, Offit started sweating from his upper lip while talking about

autism and mercury. The camera caught him wiping his upper lip with a

bare hand. Don't police detectives interviewing persons of interest

take that as a sign of something?

I did note that whatever AEI served for breakfast appeared to be

disagreeing with several of the people in the audience.

Kidding aside, forget about the cutter incident cover for this

meeting, this was a very dangerous dog and pony show. Offit's slides

included one about VICP that stated one of the problems with it is

VICP is incomplete. Offit's slide said that US law STILL permits

claims to drop out of vaccine court.

It looked like some Congressional staffers were in the crowd. You can

bet that somebody is fixin to take a tape of this " forum " , submit

transcripts, and pretty soon a bill or a rider will pop up in

Congress using the text of this presentation to enable lawmakers to

get the ball rolling on slamming the doors to civil courts on vaccine

injury. In other words you will take what *we* give you and you will

like it.

The Randy guy was very tricky worded. HE clearly believes that all

vaccine injury should be handled by vaccine court, calling our

children just a slight carved out section of vaccine injury

compensation. While he may have seemed to many to be thinking of our

children as collateral damage heroes like little firemen and

soldiers, he clearly said in cases of vaccine death, twice. He made a

bad verbal slip for his side in calling our children " vaccine

compensation victims " .

That we are.

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> First of all, I'm not sure the decision is his to make.

His " handlers "

> (ie Pharma) know he isn't up to the job. He's fine for certain

> purposes, doing lectures for other doctors (aka sympathetic

audiences)

> and brief appearances on the news, because of his academic

credentials.

> But he's a loose cannon, and his bosses know it. You guys have

[Guest guest]

Speaking of Offit chicken dances and cannon fodder (sorry, segways are

not my specialty), how about 10,000 vaccines all being " shot " at Offit

at one time - via the Royal Canadian Air Farce " chicken cannon " ?

RCAF did a great job with their home brewed flu vaccine skit a while

ago. Maybe they'd be up to a similar stunt now.

After all, Offit says handling thousands of shots at once are no

problem... I say we let the RCAF chicken cannon take that theory to task.

I'll send the RCAF an inquiry to that effect. Who knows....

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> Maybe he's just cannon fodder in the greater scheme of things.

> Cannon fodder speaking of collateral damage.

> How fitting.

> Why Offit won't debate

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> First of all, I'm not sure the decision is his to make. His

" handlers " (ie Pharma) know he isn't up to the job. He's fine for

certain purposes, doing lectures for other doctors (aka sympathetic

audiences) and brief appearances on the news, because of his academic

credentials. But he's a loose cannon, and his bosses know it. You guys

have seen him- he is so emotional, high strung, nervous, even when

just talking to a reporter- and nervous he should be, because our

children threaten his livelihood. The Rotavirus fiasco could have been

a career ender. His beloved Menactra is causing young people to get

Guillain-Barre. Maybe he's feeling insecure? He sure looks like it- on

the verge of crying or lashing out, even under fairly benign

circumstances.

>

> And off camera, he has been witnessed to scream, shout, and

generally make an ass of himself, when confronted with

science-quoting, mercury-hating parents like us. He will even go out

of his way to take his target away from potential witnesses, before

tearing into them. Although not always, because these tantrums have in

fact been witnessed.

>

> He just does not have what it takes to take us on- any one of us

parents, much less the likes of Kirby. He doesn't have the

science, but maybe even more important, he doesn't have the emotional

stability. He would start losing style points immediately, which would

go a long way toward losing the debate in the eyes of an audience that

doesn't know anything about the topic. So, if he's the best " they " can

do- well, how much longer will it be before we win in the court of

public opinion, which is where it really counts?

>

> Yesterday, I got my hair cut, and when I talked to my hairdresser,

I told her about mercury, vaccines, the whole issue- she knew nothing

about it. Her son was born in 1989. It was a large pill for her to

swallow- but the thing that sealed it, was when I told her, these kids

weren't around when we were growing up. (We're both in our 40s). A

light went off- she said, " yeah, mental retardation has always been

around, but autism? ADHD? Learning disabilities? That just wasn't

around when we were kids. "

>

> Answer THAT, .

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> " For here we are not afraid to follow truth wherever it may lead,

nor to tolerate error so long as reason is free to combat it. "

> Jefferson

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