Re: Yikes- FluMist and measles-mumps-rubella and varicella vaccines simultaneously

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BTW, thanks to me, an aide in my daughter's preschool class did not get a mercury containing flu shot. When she told the doctor her concerns about mercury, he gave her the flu mist vaccine. So within one week, the entire class of 3 year olds was sick and two were hospitalized. We went to the district and they put her on administrative leave for several weeks. Not that it mattered. The class no longer needed her as all the 3 year olds were severely ill with fevers of 102+ and horrible respiratory infections. Vera <redhead60707@...> wrote: Why on earth would they even do this? Infants "tolerated it well"....meaning they didn't die on the table? This is just crazy.Also, why is the FluLaval only for 18 years of age and older? What is in it?..scary.http://www.tradingmarkets.com/tm.site/news/BREAKING%20NEWS/240259/MedImmune Reports New Data From Pediatric Studies With FluMist - Update Monday, May 01, 2006; Posted: 12:40 PM (RTTNews) - Monday, MedImmune Inc. (MEDI |

charts | news | PowerRating) provided additional data from Pediatric studies regarding the direct and indirect effects of administering FluMist to school children as well as the safety and immunogenicity of simultaneous administration of FluMist along with measles-mumps-rubella and varicella vaccines. FluMist, which is the first innovation in influenza vaccine technology, is a well-tolerated and effective needle-free option for immunizing healthy children and adults aged 5 to 49

years. There are currently three licensed manufacturers of Influenza Virus Vaccine namely Chiron Corp., which manufactures Fluvirin, Aventis Pasteur, Inc. manufacturing Fluzone and MedImmune, Inc., which manufactures FluMist. Earlier in March, GlaxoKline, the world's second largest drugmaker, submitted a Biologics License Application for Influenza Virus Vaccine - FluLaval to the FDA. If licensed, FluLaval will be used for the active immunization of adults 18 years of age and older. Results from the study proved that vaccinating school children with FluMist made them less prone to influenza-like illnesses, less prescription and non- prescription drug use, lower school absentee rates and fewer missed workdays for adults in the household. Reports say that children who received FluMist had 93% fewer cases of influenza than the children who received a placebo. Another study, which was conducted to evaluate the safety and immunogenicity of administering FluMist and measles-mumps-rubella and varicella vaccines simultaneously, proved that concurrent administration of the vaccines was well tolerated in infants 12 to 15 months of age. Immunogenicity was the same when the vaccines were administered simultaneously or separately. In addition, results from post- marketing evaluation study, which was conducted to assess the long-term safety of FluMist in healthy people 5 to 49 years of age were consistent with the results of pre-licensure clinical trials of FluMist. MEDI is currently down 1.62% or $0.51 trading at $30.96 on a volume of 580,713 shares. Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.

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less prone to influenza-like illnesses?

Yikes- FluMist and measles-mumps-rubella and varicella vaccines simultaneously

Why on earth would they even do this? Infants "tolerated it well"....meaning they didn't die on the table? This is just crazy.Also, why is the FluLaval only for 18 years of age and older? What is in it?..scary.http://www.tradingmarkets.com/tm.site/news/BREAKING%20NEWS/240259/MedImmune Reports New Data From Pediatric Studies With FluMist - Update

Monday, May 01, 2006; Posted: 12:40 PM

(RTTNews) - Monday, MedImmune Inc. (MEDI | charts | news | PowerRating) provided additional data from Pediatric studies regarding the direct and indirect effects of administering FluMist to school children as well as the safety and immunogenicity of simultaneous administration of FluMist along with measles-mumps-rubella and varicella vaccines.

FluMist, which is the first innovation in influenza vaccine technology, is a well-tolerated and effective needle-free option for immunizing healthy children and adults aged 5 to 49 years.

There are currently three licensed manufacturers of Influenza Virus Vaccine namely Chiron Corp., which manufactures Fluvirin, Aventis Pasteur, Inc. manufacturing Fluzone and MedImmune, Inc., which manufactures FluMist. Earlier in March, GlaxoKline, the world's second largest drugmaker, submitted a Biologics License Application for Influenza Virus Vaccine - FluLaval to the FDA. If licensed, FluLaval will be used for the active immunization of adults 18 years of age and older.

Results from the study proved that vaccinating school children with FluMist made them less prone to influenza-like illnesses, less prescription and non- prescription drug use, lower school absentee rates and fewer missed workdays for adults in the household. Reports say that children who received FluMist had 93% fewer cases of influenza than the children who received a placebo.

Another study, which was conducted to evaluate the safety and immunogenicity of administering FluMist and measles-mumps-rubella and varicella vaccines simultaneously, proved that concurrent administration of the vaccines was well tolerated in infants 12 to 15 months of age. Immunogenicity was the same when the vaccines were administered simultaneously or separately.

In addition, results from post- marketing evaluation study, which was conducted to assess the long-term safety of FluMist in healthy people 5 to 49 years of age were consistent with the results of pre-licensure clinical trials of FluMist.

MEDI is currently down 1.62% or $0.51 trading at $30.96 on a volume of 580,713 shares.

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Vera and Everyone,

Anyone given FluMist should be quarantined

for at least THREE WEEKS from contact with

others as they can and do communicate (shed)

live virus for at least that long.

Since this information is included in the

package insert, any adult given this vaccine

who failed to voluntarily quarantine

themselves for at least 21 days after

receiving it and/or their healthcare provider

who furnished the dose are guilty of negligence

and those who get the flu from them (or their

parents in this case) should be able to sue

the aide and the doctor for negligence as

well as the school for failing to prevent the

children from coming into contact with a known

" Typhoid " flu spreader.

If one wanted to give a class full of pre-

schoolers multipe flu viruses, I could not

think of a better way. This is the case

becaise the FluMist delivers three live flu

strains with each dose -- not just the one

virus that people coming into contact with

a " natural " flu case normally get!

As with all live-virus vaccines, those

innoculated:

1. Get " mild " cases of the viruses in the

vaccines given to them, and

2. Can infect others with the viruses

administered or, through viral exchange

with other viruse in the host, mutated

viruses that can be much more virulent

than the viruses in the vaccines.

Not only does this second possibility

suggest that live-virus vaccines are

inherently dangerous vaccines but also,

for viruses capable of rapid mutation, like

the flu viruses, vaccines whose inherent

RISKS of creating a pandemic strain by

such viral material interchanges CLEARLY

outweigh ther claimed benefits --

regardless of what MedImmune, the FDA and

the CDC may claim.

Hopefully, this incident clearly shows the

inherent danger of creating thousands of

" mild " flu cases by innoculating with the

FluMist vaccine and turning these people

loose on a susceptible population.

Though the company claims a low percentage

rate for sucgh transmissions, it would seem

that their claims greatly underestimated

the OBSERVED " 100% " secondary-infection

rate reported here.

At a minimum, FluMist should not be allowed

to be given to anyone who comes into contact

with children or other groups who may contain

people with weakened immunity -- or, in plain

English, no one who is given FluMist should

be allowed to leave their residence for at

least 3 weeks after being administered the

vaccine.

Ideally, like the oral polio vaccine, this

vaccine should NOT be licensed in the U.S.

UNLESS its viruses can be proven to be BOTH

non-transimmissible and non-mutatable to

ANYONE!

At present, the RISKS from this vaccine out

weigh the putative benefits and the proposal

to give another live-virus vaccine to

young children with already damaged and/or

incompletely developed immune systems flies

in the face of both the " first do no harm "

and the " err on the side of precaution "

principles of medicine. [Perhaps the use

of this " vaccine " is the means that will be

used to " trigger " the " bird flu " pandemic

that the CDC is promising us that we will

soon see.]

Respectfully,

Dr. King

http://www.dr-king.com

PS: At least you can see how effective this

vaccine was in giving those exposed to

the person innoculated a much-worse case

of the flu than the person innoculated.

Hopefully, you will encourage each parent

to file a adverse event report with the

Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System

(VAERS) as it is clearl that the vaccine

gave the entire class the flu.

At a minimum, the parents should seek

to have the aide disciplined for knowingly

exposing the class to the risk of getting

the flu by ignoring the 21-day quarantine

specified by the manufacturer!

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At 19:30 5/1/06 -0700, Vera wrote:

>

>BTW, thanks to me, an aide in my daughter's

>preschool class did not get a mercury

>containing flu shot. When she told the

>doctor her concerns about mercury, he gave

>her the flu mist vaccine.

>

>So within one week, the entire class of

>3 year olds was sick and two were hospitalized.

>We went to the district and they put her on

>administrative leave for several weeks. Not

>that it mattered. The class no longer needed

>her as all the 3 year olds were severely ill

>with fevers of 102+ and horrible respiratory

>infections.

>

> Vera

>

> <redhead60707@...> wrote:

> Why on earth would they even do this?

>Infants " tolerated it well " ....meaning

>they didn't die on the table?

>

>

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Please take note that 's comments and explanation holds true for any health care workers such as aides, nurses, hospital workers, pediatrician office staff etc, as well.

Anyone who comes in contact with people with compromised immune systems should be isolated for three weeks after using Flu-mist. How many health care workers do you think are going to comply with this???

My bet is none will....so beware.

Re: Yikes- FluMist and measles-mumps-rubella and varicella vaccines simultaneously

Vera and Everyone,Anyone given FluMist should be quarantined for at least THREE WEEKS from contact withothers as they can and do communicate (shed)live virus for at least that long.Since this information is included in the package insert, any adult given this vaccinewho failed to voluntarily quarantine themselves for at least 21 days after receiving it and/or their healthcare providerwho furnished the dose are guilty of negligenceand those who get the flu from them (or theirparents in this case) should be able to suethe aide and the doctor for negligence as well as the school for failing to prevent the children from coming into contact with a known"Typhoid " flu spreader.If one wanted to give a class full of pre-schoolers multipe flu viruses, I could not think of a better way. This is the case becaise the FluMist delivers three live flu strains with each dose -- not just the one virus that people coming into contact with a "natural" flu case normally get!As with all live-virus vaccines, those innoculated:1. Get "mild" cases of the viruses in the vaccines given to them, and2. Can infect others with the viruses administered or, through viral exchange with other viruse in the host, mutated viruses that can be much more virulent than the viruses in the vaccines.Not only does this second possibility suggest that live-virus vaccines are inherently dangerous vaccines but also, for viruses capable of rapid mutation, likethe flu viruses, vaccines whose inherent RISKS of creating a pandemic strain by such viral material interchanges CLEARLY outweigh ther claimed benefits -- regardless of what MedImmune, the FDA and the CDC may claim.Hopefully, this incident clearly shows theinherent danger of creating thousands of "mild" flu cases by innoculating with theFluMist vaccine and turning these people loose on a susceptible population.Though the company claims a low percentage rate for sucgh transmissions, it would seem that their claims greatly underestimated the OBSERVED "100%" secondary-infectionrate reported here.At a minimum, FluMist should not be allowed to be given to anyone who comes into contactwith children or other groups who may contain people with weakened immunity -- or, in plainEnglish, no one who is given FluMist should be allowed to leave their residence for at least 3 weeks after being administered the vaccine.Ideally, like the oral polio vaccine, this vaccine should NOT be licensed in the U.S.UNLESS its viruses can be proven to be BOTH non-transimmissible and non-mutatable to ANYONE!At present, the RISKS from this vaccine out weigh the putative benefits and the proposal to give another live-virus vaccine to young children with already damaged and/or incompletely developed immune systems flies in the face of both the "first do no harm" and the "err on the side of precaution" principles of medicine. [Perhaps the use of this "vaccine" is the means that will be used to "trigger" the "bird flu" pandemic that the CDC is promising us that we will soon see.]Respectfully,Dr. Kinghttp://www.dr-king.comPS: At least you can see how effective this vaccine was in giving those exposed to the person innoculated a much-worse case of the flu than the person innoculated. Hopefully, you will encourage each parent to file a adverse event report with the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) as it is clearl that the vaccine gave the entire class the flu. At a minimum, the parents should seek to have the aide disciplined for knowingly exposing the class to the risk of getting the flu by ignoring the 21-day quarantine specified by the manufacturer! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++At 19:30 5/1/06 -0700, Vera wrote:>>BTW, thanks to me, an aide in my daughter's >preschool class did not get a mercury >containing flu shot. When she told the >doctor her concerns about mercury, he gave>her the flu mist vaccine.> >So within one week, the entire class of >3 year olds was sick and two were hospitalized. >We went to the district and they put her on >administrative leave for several weeks. Not>that it mattered. The class no longer needed >her as all the 3 year olds were severely ill >with fevers of 102+ and horrible respiratory >infections.> > Vera>> <redhead60707@...> wrote:> Why on earth would they even do this? >Infants "tolerated it well"....meaning >they didn't die on the table? >>

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I bet there isn't one person who quartantined themselves for three

weeks for anything -- let alone a flu vaccine .... most people can't

even get three weeks off for HAVING the flu ....

>

> Vera and Everyone,

>

> Anyone given FluMist should be quarantined

> for at least THREE WEEKS from contact with

> others as they can and do communicate (shed)

> live virus for at least that long.

>

> Since this information is included in the

> package insert, any adult given this vaccine

> who failed to voluntarily quarantine

> themselves for at least 21 days after

> receiving it and/or their healthcare provider

> who furnished the dose are guilty of negligence

> and those who get the flu from them (or their

> parents in this case) should be able to sue

> the aide and the doctor for negligence as

> well as the school for failing to prevent the

> children from coming into contact with a known

> " Typhoid " flu spreader.

>

[Guest guest]

and ALL,

In my limited experience, in the ONE

instance where a hospital's staff was

advised about the risk, the hospital

told them that they need only take

TWO WEEKS off if they took the FluMist

and not the THREE WEEKS in the package

insert.

Based on this, healthcare workers

may being misled about the length

of the quarantine period if they are

told about it at all.

Given the reality of the possibility

of secoindary transmission after

innoculation, NO healthcare provider

should be offered the FluMist influenza

vaccine or any other live-virus

vaccine without:

1. A rigorous PAID quarantine

2. A QUARANTINE period of at least one

week longer than the " established "

quarantine period, and

3. DOCUMENTED testing that proves the

innoculated individual is not shedding

any of the innoculated viruses at least

one week before they are allowed to

return to work. [This provision is

needed because it has been documented, for

the live poliovirus, that some individuals

shed live virus for an extended period of

time.

4. TEMPORARY disability awards for those who

continue to shed live virus for longer than

the period the vaccine manufacturer states

in their package insert.

5. Reportng of all extending shedding to VAERS

as an adverse event.

6. Long-term disability for those who work in

positions where they come into contact with

the public who continue to shed the live virus

or viruses for more than 1 year from the date

of innoculation UNTIL their periodic (monthly)

test results indicate that they are no longer

shedding the innoculated virus or viruses for

at least two consecutive months.

Hopefully, the preceding has addressed what is a

serious issue for those in ANY position where they

have daily contact with others who MAY be susceptible

to contacting any of the live influenza viruses in

the vaccine with which they have been innoculated.

Respectfully,

Dr. King

http://www.dr-king.com

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At 10:17 5/2/06 -0400, wrote:

>

>Please take note that 's comments and

>explanation holds true for any health care

>workers such as aides, nurses, hospital

>workers, pediatrician office staff etc,

>as well.

>

>Anyone who comes in contact with people

>with compromised immune systems should be

>isolated for three weeks after using Flu-mist.

>How many health care workers do you think

>are going to comply with this???

>

>My bet is none will....so beware.

>

>

> Re: Yikes- FluMist and measles-mumps-rubella and

varicella vaccines simultaneously

>

>Vera and Everyone,

>

>Anyone given FluMist should be quarantined

>for at least THREE WEEKS from contact with

>others as they can and do communicate (shed)

>live virus for at least that long.

>

>

[Guest guest]

This makes me laugh, b/c where I work, they push the flu shot to help with

absenteeism, well, if you have to take 3 weeks off work, what the hell is

the point?

Re: Yikes- FluMist and measles-mumps-rubella and varicella

vaccines simultaneously

> and ALL,

>

> In my limited experience, in the ONE

> instance where a hospital's staff was

> advised about the risk, the hospital

> told them that they need only take

> TWO WEEKS off if they took the FluMist

> and not the THREE WEEKS in the package

> insert.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks , for the great information....

And , where I work they ONLY push the injection and give no warnings about anything other than some arm soreness, certainly nothing about mercury. And Thimerosal free is not an option as far as I know, but I'll find out.

Re: Yikes- FluMist and measles-mumps-rubella and varicella vaccines simultaneously> and ALL,>> In my limited experience, in the ONE> instance where a hospital's staff was> advised about the risk, the hospital> told them that they need only take> TWO WEEKS off if they took the FluMist> and not the THREE WEEKS in the package> insert.>

[Guest guest]

King's entries are precisely what we mean by informed of informed consent.

Re: Yikes- FluMist and measles-mumps-rubella andvaricella vaccines simultaneously> >Vera and Everyone,>>Anyone given FluMist should be quarantined >for at least THREE WEEKS from contact with>others as they can and do communicate (shed)>live virus for at least that long.>>

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Yes it is the informed of "informed" consent.

Here is another bit of propaganda which provides mis and disinformation about the flu vaccines and has been presented at the recently held Annual Meeting of the Pediatric Academic Societies, which ended on May 2,2006.

Nasal Spray Flu Vaccine Twice as Good as Shot

(Ivanhoe Newswire) -- There's now a needle-free flu vaccine for kids that's more effective than the injectable form, according to researchers from Saint Louis University in Mo.

That was the finding for children between ages 6 months and 5 years, after studying more than 8,000 kids in 16 countries. Researchers say, "We discovered that the intranasal vaccine was significantly more effective in protecting these children against influenza infection than the injectable flu shot. This is especially significant because this age group is among the most vulnerable to flu infection, and they tend to spread influenza around to other family members."

Specfic findings were that the nasal spray vaccine was 55-percent more effective than the injectable vaccine in reducing influenza-like illness.

Researchers add because the flu vaccine must be manufactured several months before flu season, there's sometimes a vaccine "mismatch" with the strain that's circulating. The nasal spray was found to also be better than the shot in combating such a circumstance. Researchers say, "This sort of broad protection from a live, attenuated intranasal vaccine suggests that this vaccine has properties that make it superior to the traditional flu shot."

This article was reported by Ivanhoe.com, who offers Medical Alerts by e-mail every day of the week. To subscribe, go to: http://www.ivanhoe.com/newsalert/.

SOURCE: The Annual Meeting of the Pediatric Academic Societies, San Francisco, April 29-May 2, 2006

Re: Yikes- FluMist and measles-mumps-rubella andvaricella vaccines simultaneously> >Vera and Everyone,>>Anyone given FluMist should be quarantined >for at least THREE WEEKS from contact with>others as they can and do communicate (shed)>live virus for at least that long.>>