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thanks Sharon for posting this information.

Here is a tiny.url version of the link:

http://tinyurl.com/j3qum

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> Also, Mr. Kirby, I know you monitor this site at times, THANK YOU,

> THANK YOU, THANK YOU for this very well-put story!

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> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/doctors-against-

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Great Article! Thanks Sharon. Huffington is read by many and this is a

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thanks Sharon for posting this information.

Here is a tiny.url version of the link:

http://tinyurl.com/j3qum

Lenny

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> I don't normally post articles, but thought this was very interesting.

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> Also, Mr. Kirby, I know you monitor this site at times, THANK YOU,

> THANK YOU, THANK YOU for this very well-put story!

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> Sharon

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> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/doctors-against-

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[Guest guest]

Note to group... Next time there is a good piece like this from

Kirby on HuffPo, let's be sure to pick the sane comments for

Readers favorite comments. Looks like the ND's beat us to it on

this one. The ONE featured comment is from Kev Leitch (anti-us, pro-

poison). Apparently, he's sad that Kirby didn't e-mail him

back... poor Kev...

Sue M.

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Posting to these is very therapeutic. Here was mine..

Mr. Spinoza (hmmm from " Arsenic & Old Lace " , another poison)

You stated:

AUTISM IS also clearly linked to defects in the " mirror neuron "

system, and to quote a prominent neurobiologist " ... this deficit may

help explain the very symptoms that are unique to autism: lack of

empathy, theory of other minds, language skills, and imitation. "

These symptoms are the ones always brought up. You are missing many of

the symptoms that children have such as GI inflammation, brain

inflammation, food intolerances (gluten/casein), low/no glutathione

(cellular mercury excreter), and immune dysfunction.

Just this week, a new study came out showing how thimerosal can cause

immune system dysfunction:

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/news/nation/14161662.htm...

" The findings are sure to heighten the debate over whether vaccines

play a role in causing autism, especially since there is growing

evidence that many autistic children have irregular immune systems. "

You also said:

" our vaccines are moving away from using thimerisol as a perservative. "

This had been true but it appears that industry/CDC/AAP are moving to

steadily INCREASE thimerosal.

Here are the facts:

http://tinyurl.com/hp4aw...

" New calculations suggest children today can be exposed to more than

half the mercury that was in vaccines in the 1990s, even though

manufacturers began phasing it out in 1999.

CDC has significantly broadened its flu-shot recommendations. By 5,

children exposed to an all-thimerosal schedule of flu shots would get

53 percent of the mercury the same kids got from all shots in 1999. "

Autism is looking more like a medical condition caused by injury to

many systems. There are reasons for the symptoms, Mr. Spinoza. My

child has them all.

Please read some of the research.

Red

Comparison of Blood and Brain Mercury Levels in Infant Monkeys

Exposed to Methylmercury or Vaccines Containing Thimerosal.

Environmental Health Perspectives, Aug 2005

Burbacher, PhD [university of Washington] - showed that

ethyl mercury, the kind of mercury found in thimerosal, not only

ends up in the brain, but leaves double the amount of inorganic

mercury as methyl mercury, the kind of mercury found in fish.

Thimerosal Neurotoxicity is Associated with Glutathione Depletion:

Protection with Glutathione Precursors.

Neurotoxicology, Jan 2005.

S. Jill , PhD [university of Arkansas] -demonstrated that

Thimerosal lowers or inhibits the body's ability to produce

Glutathione, an antioxidant and the body's primary cellular-level

defense against mercury.

Large Brains in Autism: The Challenge of Pervasive Abnormality.

The Neuroscientist, Volume 11, Number 5, 2005.

Martha Herbert, MD, PhD [Harvard University] - discussed

neuroinflammation and how it appears to be present in autistic brain

tissue, suggesting that chronic disease or an external environmental

source (like heavy metals) may be causing the inflammation.

National Autism Prevalence Trends From United States Special

Education Data.

Pediatrics, March 2005.

Craig J. Newschaffer, PhD [s Hopkins University] - demonstrated

that the rise in the incidence of autism is real and that the

greatest increase took place between 1987 and 1992, which matches

the timing of the near-tripling of Thimerosal in pediatric vaccines.

Evidence Of Harm, Mercury in Vaccines and the Autism Epidemic: A

Medical Controversy, 2005

By: foe2Hg on March 24, 2006 at 12:47am

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When I first learned of the autism/thimerosal connnection, all of

the animosity seemed to be directed to the CDC, FDA, and Merck. All

I kept thinking was " What about the f#*^$g AAP???? "

To my knowledge, the execs at Merck never take a hypocratic oath,

and all they ever swear to do is make as much money as possible for

stockholders and themselves. CDC and FDA are bureaucrats who were

assigned to do what they are clearly incapable of doing (doesn't

excuse them), but who in fact are the medical professionals on the

front lines administering the vaccines whose ingredients they

pretend not to know? When the intitial report came out (1999?)

which revealed how much thimerosal infants were being exposed to,

the AAP acted shocked and incensed. Immediately, they called for the

phasing out of thimerosal in infant vaccines.

Why the hell didn't they know what they were injecting children with

before that? In my opinion, the biggest idiots asleep at the switch

were the idiots at the AAP, who now so violently oppose and real

science looking at the link because of their own culpability.

We might have all been better off if pharmacists were responsible

for vaccinating because they do a much better job at identifying

contraindications, etc. and researching actual

ingredients/components of pharmaceuticals. Whether they would have

had the wherewithall to oppose -- maybe not.

I don't know how these doctors look at themselves in the mirror. I

can't look at one without averting my eyes with utter disgust.

I'm NOT saying that the CDC, FDA and big pharma are blameless BY ANY

MEANS, but in the final analysis, my friendly family pediatrician,

who was supposed to be my child's protector and advocate, did the

deed.

Regards,

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> > I don't normally post articles, but thought this was very

interesting.

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> > Also, Mr. Kirby, I know you monitor this site at times, THANK

YOU,

> > THANK YOU, THANK YOU for this very well-put story!

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> > Sharon

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> > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/doctors-against-

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[Guest guest]

I have found that arguing with people who may be fundamentally dishonest only provokes them to find another way to filch my wallet.

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Posting to these is very therapeutic. Here was mine..Mr. Spinoza (hmmm from "Arsenic & Old Lace", another poison)You stated:AUTISM IS also clearly linked to defects in the "mirror neuron"system, and to quote a prominent neurobiologist "... this deficit mayhelp explain the very symptoms that are unique to autism: lack ofempathy, theory of other minds, language skills, and imitation."These symptoms are the ones always brought up. You are missing many ofthe symptoms that children have such as GI inflammation, braininflammation, food intolerances (gluten/casein), low/no glutathione(cellular mercury excreter), and immune dysfunction.Just this week, a new study came out showing how thimerosal can causeimmune system dysfunction:http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/news/nation/14161662.htm..."The findings are sure to heighten the debate over whether vaccinesplay a role in causing autism, especially since there is growingevidence that many autistic children have irregular immune systems."You also said:"our vaccines are moving away from using thimerisol as a perservative."This had been true but it appears that industry/CDC/AAP are moving tosteadily INCREASE thimerosal.Here are the facts:http://tinyurl.com/hp4aw..."New calculations suggest children today can be exposed to more thanhalf the mercury that was in vaccines in the 1990s, even thoughmanufacturers began phasing it out in 1999.CDC has significantly broadened its flu-shot recommendations. By 5,children exposed to an all-thimerosal schedule of flu shots would get53 percent of the mercury the same kids got from all shots in 1999."Autism is looking more like a medical condition caused by injury tomany systems. There are reasons for the symptoms, Mr. Spinoza. Mychild has them all.Please read some of the research.RedComparison of Blood and Brain Mercury Levels in Infant MonkeysExposed to Methylmercury or Vaccines Containing Thimerosal.Environmental Health Perspectives, Aug 2005 Burbacher, PhD [university of Washington] - showed thatethyl mercury, the kind of mercury found in thimerosal, not onlyends up in the brain, but leaves double the amount of inorganicmercury as methyl mercury, the kind of mercury found in fish.Thimerosal Neurotoxicity is Associated with Glutathione Depletion:Protection with Glutathione Precursors.Neurotoxicology, Jan 2005.S. Jill , PhD [university of Arkansas] -demonstrated thatThimerosal lowers or inhibits the body's ability to produceGlutathione, an antioxidant and the body's primary cellular-leveldefense against mercury.Large Brains in Autism: The Challenge of Pervasive Abnormality.The Neuroscientist, Volume 11, Number 5, 2005.Martha Herbert, MD, PhD [Harvard University] - discussedneuroinflammation and how it appears to be present in autistic braintissue, suggesting that chronic disease or an external environmentalsource (like heavy metals) may be causing the inflammation.National Autism Prevalence Trends From United States SpecialEducation Data.Pediatrics, March 2005.Craig J. Newschaffer, PhD [s Hopkins University] - demonstratedthat the rise in the incidence of autism is real and that thegreatest increase took place between 1987 and 1992, which matchesthe timing of the near-tripling of Thimerosal in pediatric vaccines.Evidence Of Harm, Mercury in Vaccines and the Autism Epidemic: AMedical Controversy, 2005By: foe2Hg on March 24, 2006 at 12:47am > > >> > > I don't normally post articles, but thought this was very > interesting. > > > > > > Also, Mr. Kirby, I know you monitor this site at times, THANK > YOU, > > > THANK YOU, THANK YOU for this very well-put story!> > > > > > Sharon > > > > > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/doctors-against-> > > research_b_17726.h> > > tml> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Pharmacists actually know something.

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When I first learned of the autism/thimerosal connnection, all of the animosity seemed to be directed to the CDC, FDA, and Merck. All I kept thinking was "What about the f#*^$g AAP????"To my knowledge, the execs at Merck never take a hypocratic oath, and all they ever swear to do is make as much money as possible for stockholders and themselves. CDC and FDA are bureaucrats who were assigned to do what they are clearly incapable of doing (doesn't excuse them), but who in fact are the medical professionals on the front lines administering the vaccines whose ingredients they pretend not to know? When the intitial report came out (1999?) which revealed how much thimerosal infants were being exposed to, the AAP acted shocked and incensed. Immediately, they called for the phasing out of thimerosal in infant vaccines. Why the hell didn't they know what they were injecting children with before that? In my opinion, the biggest idiots asleep at the switch were the idiots at the AAP, who now so violently oppose and real science looking at the link because of their own culpability. We might have all been better off if pharmacists were responsible for vaccinating because they do a much better job at identifying contraindications, etc. and researching actual ingredients/components of pharmaceuticals. Whether they would have had the wherewithall to oppose -- maybe not.I don't know how these doctors look at themselves in the mirror. I can't look at one without averting my eyes with utter disgust.I'm NOT saying that the CDC, FDA and big pharma are blameless BY ANY MEANS, but in the final analysis, my friendly family pediatrician, who was supposed to be my child's protector and advocate, did the deed.Regards, > >> > I don't normally post articles, but thought this was very interesting. > > > > Also, Mr. Kirby, I know you monitor this site at times, THANK YOU, > > THANK YOU, THANK YOU for this very well-put story!> > > > Sharon > > > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/doctors-against-> > research_b_17726.h> > tml> >> > > > > > > > > >

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Why do you say that?

If Pediatrician's don't know, why do you think Pharmacists do?

My father was a pharmacist. He went to school in the 50's. At that

time the pharmaceutical companies actually worked very hard to

develop and produce medicines that actually were good. Profits were

not the only concern.

He retired in 96 and did some part time work there after. He was

shocked to learn about the problems with the mercury in vaccines.

When I wrote a letter to the Editor in my local paper; he naively

thought I was the only one (or a small few) who knew of this problem.

He asked me if I contacted the Pharma companies about this.

My neighbor across the street is a pharmacist she is in her late

20's. Another Pharmacist down the street is probably around the same

age maybe older. Neither had any idea.

Of course I think they are all in the denial issue about their

chosen professions (medicine save lives). The *assumption* that it's

all safe and thoroughly researched.

That's 3 pharmacists who had not a clue and I would say two are

still doubtful. Their children are " normal " . No worries.

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> When I first learned of the autism/thimerosal connnection, all

of

> the animosity seemed to be directed to the CDC, FDA, and Merck.

All

> I kept thinking was " What about the f#*^$g AAP???? "

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> To my knowledge, the execs at Merck never take a hypocratic

oath,

> and all they ever swear to do is make as much money as possible

for

> stockholders and themselves. CDC and FDA are bureaucrats who

were

> assigned to do what they are clearly incapable of doing (doesn't

> excuse them), but who in fact are the medical professionals on

the

> front lines administering the vaccines whose ingredients they

> pretend not to know? When the intitial report came out (1999?)

> which revealed how much thimerosal infants were being exposed

to,

> the AAP acted shocked and incensed. Immediately, they called for

the

> phasing out of thimerosal in infant vaccines.

>

> Why the hell didn't they know what they were injecting children

with

> before that? In my opinion, the biggest idiots asleep at the

switch

> were the idiots at the AAP, who now so violently oppose and real

> science looking at the link because of their own culpability.

>

> We might have all been better off if pharmacists were

responsible

> for vaccinating because they do a much better job at identifying

> contraindications, etc. and researching actual

> ingredients/components of pharmaceuticals. Whether they would

have

> had the wherewithall to oppose -- maybe not.

>

> I don't know how these doctors look at themselves in the

mirror. I

> can't look at one without averting my eyes with utter disgust.

>

> I'm NOT saying that the CDC, FDA and big pharma are blameless BY

ANY

> MEANS, but in the final analysis, my friendly family

pediatrician,

> who was supposed to be my child's protector and advocate, did

the

> deed.

>

> Regards,

>

[Guest guest]

As a general rule, pharmacists know quite a bit about drugs- that's what they do, that's all they study. They also do it day-to-day.

Most doctors don't know as much as pharmacists about drugs going in- they take a rudimentary course and do not have the day-to-day interaction with the information.

Especially the doctors who are not in research.

Pharmacists are formulation people- they know how much of something goes into a medicine.

Doctors oftentimes don't. Many are led around by salespeople. They don't have time to ferret out the information.

If you want to know about a drug- read the package insert and ask the pharmacist.

If you want to know less- ask the doctor who will read the package insert.

Re: Kirby, Doctors against research> > > When I first learned of the autism/thimerosal connnection, all of > the animosity seemed to be directed to the CDC, FDA, and Merck. All > I kept thinking was "What about the f#*^$g AAP????"> > To my knowledge, the execs at Merck never take a hypocratic oath, > and all they ever swear to do is make as much money as possible for > stockholders and themselves. CDC and FDA are bureaucrats who were > assigned to do what they are clearly incapable of doing (doesn't > excuse them), but who in fact are the medical professionals on the > front lines administering the vaccines whose ingredients they > pretend not to know? When the intitial report came out (1999?) > which revealed how much thimerosal infants were being exposed to, > the AAP acted shocked and incensed. Immediately, they called for the > phasing out of thimerosal in infant vaccines. > > Why the hell didn't they know what they were injecting children with > before that? In my opinion, the biggest idiots asleep at the switch > were the idiots at the AAP, who now so violently oppose and real > science looking at the link because of their own culpability. > > We might have all been better off if pharmacists were responsible > for vaccinating because they do a much better job at identifying > contraindications, etc. and researching actual > ingredients/components of pharmaceuticals. Whether they would have > had the wherewithall to oppose -- maybe not.> > I don't know how these doctors look at themselves in the mirror. I > can't look at one without averting my eyes with utter disgust.> > I'm NOT saying that the CDC, FDA and big pharma are blameless BY ANY > MEANS, but in the final analysis, my friendly family pediatrician, > who was supposed to be my child's protector and advocate, did the > deed.> > Regards, >

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That still does not mean pharmacists will know about the toxicological effects of thimerosal in vaccines. They will generally not know about that issue unless it becomes generally accepted.

For the effects of mercury in vaccines, ask a toxicologist who does research on mercury toxicity.

They will generally get it.

Re: Kirby, Doctors against research> > > When I first learned of the autism/thimerosal connnection, all of > the animosity seemed to be directed to the CDC, FDA, and Merck. All > I kept thinking was "What about the f#*^$g AAP????"> > To my knowledge, the execs at Merck never take a hypocratic oath, > and all they ever swear to do is make as much money as possible for > stockholders and themselves. CDC and FDA are bureaucrats who were > assigned to do what they are clearly incapable of doing (doesn't > excuse them), but who in fact are the medical professionals on the > front lines administering the vaccines whose ingredients they > pretend not to know? When the intitial report came out (1999?) > which revealed how much thimerosal infants were being exposed to, > the AAP acted shocked and incensed. Immediately, they called for the > phasing out of thimerosal in infant vaccines. > > Why the hell didn't they know what they were injecting children with > before that? In my opinion, the biggest idiots asleep at the switch > were the idiots at the AAP, who now so violently oppose and real > science looking at the link because of their own culpability. > > We might have all been better off if pharmacists were responsible > for vaccinating because they do a much better job at identifying > contraindications, etc. and researching actual > ingredients/components of pharmaceuticals. Whether they would have > had the wherewithall to oppose -- maybe not.> > I don't know how these doctors look at themselves in the mirror. I > can't look at one without averting my eyes with utter disgust.> > I'm NOT saying that the CDC, FDA and big pharma are blameless BY ANY > MEANS, but in the final analysis, my friendly family pediatrician, > who was supposed to be my child's protector and advocate, did the > deed.> > Regards, >

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Is it just me, or did this article come out a couple of months ago? I could

swear I sent it to

friends & family. I even remember my mother and I discussing it on the phone. Or

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Article came out in March. Maybe mercury is the cause of the doubt!

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Hi ,

Yes, It was from March, but it never made it into the SAR. So, when I

discovered I had not run it, thinking I already did until I checked

against the SAR archive, I finally did. None of the information is

particularly dated and it stands up pretty well, still.

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I agree. It's an excellent article, and I was glad to see it again. I was more

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I'm sorry if this is a dated article. It just found it's way to me,

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That wasn't the only oldie in that edition. I was a little late

getting out the long piece by Boyd Haley slamming the faux amalgam

research. It wasn't until the " Remember the " Toxic Teeth " Story? "

that came out yesterday did I remember Haley had written a rebuttal

and I hadn't yet reprinted it. The slight delay worked out pretty

good as it effectively rebukes, I think, the " Toxic Teeth " premise

that tooth mercury received a pass.

Speaking of oral cavity, this good-mercury / bad-mercury false

distinction reminds me of the weasling Bill Clinton attempted by

trying to claim that oral copulation is not sex, not like the usual

other stuff is -- as in: oral mercury isn't poison, not like usual

mercury is. Now before anyone quips that I am comparing sex to

poison, please note that the comparison is metaphorical, not literal

-- and it depends on who you married, I suppose. This is not

necesarily a cheap shot at Hillary either. Oy ve , I'm coming down

with sharp-tongue Imus-ites.

Lenny

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Sharon,

I'm glad you posted it. It was a good tap on the shoulder. As a

result, it was shared by tens of thousands who probably missed it when

I failed to reprint it in March. I might even post it again in a few

months.

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Hey Lenny: When it comes to amalgams, we've got "watchers" here. When we hear news of pro-amalgam studies, some of us do make an effort to dig a bit deeper, and find out what is behind those studies. There is no need for you to be apologetic about your brief "lapse" in attention to this matter, as the studies mentioned by Kincaid have already met with criticism, some of it quite weighty. On my own part, as a mom with a mouthful of amalgams and worried about their effects upon me and effects mercury emissions from my amalgams may have had upon my children throughout their development, yes, I'll do my best to keep up to date and try and understand any new research in this regard, and share this information as widely as possible. Even now, whenever I come across studies which "show" that amalgams are safe, I feel the need to research and find out who did the study, who it was

funded by, etc. As far as the Children's Amalgam Study goes, an interesting exercise would be to read the criticisms of it, and there are plenty. This is but one of them: http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=512934 Aasaschaferatsprynet <schafer@...> wrote: That wasn't the only oldie in that edition. I was a little lategetting out the long piece by Boyd Haley slamming the faux amalgamresearch. It wasn't until the "Remember the "Toxic Teeth" Story?"that came out yesterday did I remember Haley had written a rebuttaland I hadn't yet reprinted it. The slight delay worked out prettygood as it effectively rebukes, I think, the "Toxic Teeth" premisethat tooth mercury received a

pass.Speaking of oral cavity, this good-mercury / bad-mercury falsedistinction reminds me of the weasling Bill Clinton attempted bytrying to claim that oral copulation is not sex, not like the usualother stuff is -- as in: oral mercury isn't poison, not like usualmercury is. Now before anyone quips that I am comparing sex topoison, please note that the comparison is metaphorical, not literal-- and it depends on who you married, I suppose. This is notnecesarily a cheap shot at Hillary either. Oy ve , I'm coming downwith sharp-tongue Imus-ites.Lenny Lenny> > >> > > Is it just me, or did this article come out a couple of months ago?> > I could swear I sent it to > > > friends & family. I even remember my mother and I discussing it on> > the phone. Or maybe > > > it's just the mercury messing with my brain!> > > > > > > > > >

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