Re: Haunting Voicemail Message... Can anyone relate to this? This SUCKS!

[Guest guest]

So true and too, it's amazing how these things happen isn't it? I'm

glad they've also chosen to go public with this. They really didn't

have to when you think of it.

CG

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> I think and all would agree that there is no reason

ever to

> > > go

> > >> " postal " and I don't think that such a thing will happen

among

> > > parents.

> > >> As parents, no matter how bad it gets we still have a

> > > responsibility

> > >> for our kids, so I don't think anyone is going to

go " postal. "

> > >>

> > >> There are ways to fight back politically and legally --

there

> > > exist

> > >> legitimate outlets to channel the rage that many of us feel.

> > >> What legal outlets? What political outlets?

> > >>

> > >> I keep hearing about the Vioxx verdicts. I can't understand

why

> > > the people who were harmed by this drug are able to get

recourse

> > > thru the civil court system, but parents of vaccine injured

children

> > > can't. Not until they've gone thru the special court, the one

> > > created only for them. The legal channels may be there, but

I don't

> > > understand why the legal channels have been so twisted for

one group

> > > of people. It seems so unfair and it goes so unquestioned.

> > >>

> > >> Perhaps there is some hope thru the political outlets, but

without

> > > the story being told, no politician in his right mind is

going to

> > > want to deal with this issue. The scientists with the NIEHS,

no

> > > matter how objective they might be, I feel will be inclined

to

> > > simply want to wash their hands of it.

> > >>

> > >> So Kirby writes his book, and it's a great book and

it wins

> > > him an award, but yet it isn't seen by enough people. Enough

people

> > > that more damage isn't done. Kids are still being poisoned,

and the

> > > government talks about reforming the FDA so that drug makers

could

> > > possibly be forced to do safety studies on their own

products after

> > > they've gone to market, as though this would be a good

thing, would

> > > be progess. As though finally getting the fox to guard the

henhouse

> > > is just what we need. And Grassley says there're problems,

but no

> > > crisis. Find me the parent of a child who is lost who

doesn't think

> > > that we have a crisis.

> > >>

> > >> And yet if the media is interested in discussing autism,

the main

> > > stream media, it is to show americans warm fuzzy stories

about

> > > dissident documentaries that make no mention of vaccines or

mecury

> > > (Yes I too am scared by normal people. But I would

appreciate a bit

> > > of balance in the autism reporting.), as tho there isn't a

person on

> > > the planet who's had questions or concerns about them. But

then,

> > > how could Cambell Brown smile so pretty if she talked about

the real

> > > issues, the important issues, here?? I fear that no one on

my telly

> > > or radio will pick up the story, and I know that if no one

on my

> > > telly or radio picks up the story, nothing will ever be done

> > > politically. No, the occasional mention every few months on

Imus

> > > isn't sufficient.

> > >>

> > >> No, I'm not going to go postal. I don't have the time, and

my kids

> > > are fine. But somebody cheer me up. Tell me something about

Finding

> > > The Words, maybe. About how PBS is finally going to show it.

Or

> > > about how it doesn't mattter if PBS doesn't show it but

chooses

> > > instead to show 'RX for Survival-- The Heroes'. About how

it's soon

> > > going to be seen all over the country anyway, because there

is a

> > > market for bringing issues that matter to the public.

> > >>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Oh my God, that is horrendous, that poor little guy, no wonder their

was not a dry eye when will this ever stop, how many more kids did

this happen to today? I can understand how hard it would be just to

look at your child and not loose ones mind. Sigh!

> > >>

> > >> This is awful and brings back terrible memories.

> > >>

> > >> My son had an adverse reaction after his MMR & 4th Hib at

> 13

> > >> months. It pains me to look at the photo we took of him and I

> > > have

> > >> been hesitant to upload it to the group--until I heard this

> > > haunting

> > >> voicemail message. I just uploaded it and created an album

> > >> entitled, what else, Evidence of Harm. What made us take that

> > >> photo, I don't know, but it has been a powerful tool for us in

> > >> pushing for vaccine safety. (I recently used it as part of my

> > >> testimony for the thimerosal bill in Mass. and can honestly say

> > > that

> > >> there was not a dry eye in the entire room, including Senators

&

> > >> Reps.)

> > >>

> > >> So much of the Facts that listed also apply to my son.

> > >>

> > >> The day of our well appt., the ped dx'd him with an ear

> infection,

> > >> gave us a scrip for Augmentin (nasty, nasty stuff), then

> proceeded

> > >> to give him the MMR and 4th Hib. ( was born in 1996, so he

> got

> > >> all the hg-laden shots and Hep B when hours old.)

> > >>

> > >> His fever lasted for days (probably close to a week) and got as

> > > high

> > >> as 105.

> > >>

> > >> We were also told to give him Tylenol(even worse than Motrin).

> > >>

> > >> He could not eat, drink, hold his head up, and cried

constantly.

> > >>

> > >> The ped said that it was probably the ear infection virus that

> > >> caused the reaction (erythema multiforms, vasculitis) although

> > > there

> > >> was no way to prove that theory. Out of all the docs &

> > > specialists

> > >> we saw during that period, not one even mentioned the

> > > words 'vaccine

> > >> reaction.'

> > >>

> > >> Prior to that day, he had been developing normally. After

> > >> he " recovered, " all developmental progress stopped and his

> > > language

> > >> faded away.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> God help us all.

> > >> Cheryl

>

[Guest guest]

for CG

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From: "CG" <gammicca@...>Reply-EOHarm To: EOHarm Subject: Re: Haunting Voicemail Message... Can anyone relate to this? This SUCKS!Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:17:01 -0000So true and too, it's amazing how these things happen isn't it? I'm glad they've also chosen to go public with this. They really didn't have to when you think of it.CG> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> I think and all would agree that there is no reason ever to> > > go> > >> "postal" and I don't think that such a thing will happen among> > > parents.> > >> As parents, no matter how bad it gets we still have a> > > responsibility> > >> for our kids, so I don't think anyone is going to go "postal."> > >>> > >> There are ways to fight back politically and legally -- there> > > exist> > >> legitimate outlets to channel the rage that many of us feel.> > >> What legal outlets? What political outlets?> > >>> > >> I keep hearing about the Vioxx verdicts. I can't understand why> > > the people who were harmed by this drug are able to get recourse> > > thru the civil court system, but parents of vaccine injured children> > > can't. Not until they've gone thru the special court, the one> > > created only for them. The legal channels may be there, but I don't> > > understand why the legal channels have been so twisted for one group> > > of people. It seems so unfair and it goes so unquestioned.> > >>> > >> Perhaps there is some hope thru the political outlets, but without> > > the story being told, no politician in his right mind is going to> > > want to deal with this issue. The scientists with the NIEHS, no> > > matter how objective they might be, I feel will be inclined to> > > simply want to wash their hands of it.> > >>> > >> So Kirby writes his book, and it's a great book and it wins> > > him an award, but yet it isn't seen by enough people. Enough people> > > that more damage isn't done. Kids are still being poisoned, and the> > > government talks about reforming the FDA so that drug makers could> > > possibly be forced to do safety studies on their own products after> > > they've gone to market, as though this would be a good thing, would> > > be progess. As though finally getting the fox to guard the henhouse> > > is just what we need. And Grassley says there're problems, but no> > > crisis. Find me the parent of a child who is lost who doesn't think> > > that we have a crisis.> > >>> > >> And yet if the media is interested in discussing autism, the main> > > stream media, it is to show americans warm fuzzy stories about> > > dissident documentaries that make no mention of vaccines or mecury> > > (Yes I too am scared by normal people. But I would appreciate a bit> > > of balance in the autism reporting.), as tho there isn't a person on> > > the planet who's had questions or concerns about them. But then,> > > how could Cambell Brown smile so pretty if she talked about the real> > > issues, the important issues, here?? I fear that no one on my telly> > > or radio will pick up the story, and I know that if no one on my> > > telly or radio picks up the story, nothing will ever be done> > > politically. No, the occasional mention every few months on Imus> > > isn't sufficient.> > >>> > >> No, I'm not going to go postal. I don't have the time, and my kids> > > are fine. But somebody cheer me up. Tell me something about Finding> > > The Words, maybe. About how PBS is finally going to show it. Or> > > about how it doesn't mattter if PBS doesn't show it but chooses> > > instead to show 'RX for Survival-- The Heroes'. About how it's soon> > > going to be seen all over the country anyway, because there is a> > > market for bringing issues that matter to the public.> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >

[Guest guest]

Oh, I just want to hold him and make it better!

Barb

Re: Haunting Voicemail Message... Can anyone relate to

this? This SUCKS!

> It's in the Photos section of the EOH listserv homepage. Try this

> link:

>

> http://ph./group/EOHarm/photos/view/1bbc?b=1

>

> Try not to gasp...

> Cheryl

>

>

>

>> >>

>> >> This is awful and brings back terrible memories.

>> >>

>> >> My son had an adverse reaction after his MMR & 4th Hib at

> 13

>> >> months. It pains me to look at the photo we took of him and I

>> > have

>> >> been hesitant to upload it to the group--until I heard this

>> > haunting

>> >> voicemail message. I just uploaded it and created an album

>> >> entitled, what else, Evidence of Harm. What made us take that

>> >> photo, I don't know, but it has been a powerful tool for us in

>> >> pushing for vaccine safety. (I recently used it as part of my

>> >> testimony for the thimerosal bill in Mass. and can honestly say

>> > that

>> >> there was not a dry eye in the entire room, including Senators &

>> >> Reps.)

>> >>

>> >> So much of the Facts that listed also apply to my son.

>> >>

>> >> The day of our well appt., the ped dx'd him with an ear

> infection,

>> >> gave us a scrip for Augmentin (nasty, nasty stuff), then

> proceeded

>> >> to give him the MMR and 4th Hib. ( was born in 1996, so he

> got

>> >> all the hg-laden shots and Hep B when hours old.)

>> >>

>> >> His fever lasted for days (probably close to a week) and got as

>> > high

>> >> as 105.

>> >>

>> >> We were also told to give him Tylenol(even worse than Motrin).

>> >>

>> >> He could not eat, drink, hold his head up, and cried constantly.

>> >>

>> >> The ped said that it was probably the ear infection virus that

>> >> caused the reaction (erythema multiforms, vasculitis) although

>> > there

>> >> was no way to prove that theory. Out of all the docs &

>> > specialists

>> >> we saw during that period, not one even mentioned the

>> > words 'vaccine

>> >> reaction.'

>> >>

>> >> Prior to that day, he had been developing normally. After

>> >> he " recovered, " all developmental progress stopped and his

>> > language

>> >> faded away.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> God help us all.

>> >> Cheryl

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

If you're UnitedHealth CEO McGuire, you need $1.6 billion in

stock options sucked from the health care industry.

http://www.startribune.com/357/story/383997.html

And look at the paltry 87 grand he gave to the Republicans.

No wonder there's no money left over for our kids' biomedical

treatments.

- Hokkanen

> >

> > I think there are a whole bunch of big wigs that need to identify

> who their daddy is.

> >

> > I saw Bob along with his daughter on Imus. When Imus

> asked what caused her son's autism during her answer she

held up

> a piece of paper from her son's scrapbook recalling that she'd

> consented to some six vaccinations in one doctor visit. She rattled

> off the names of the vaccines and strongly suggested a connection

> between the vaccines and her son's regression into autism.

> >

> > As I listened to I watched her dad. Quite a guy. One of the

> most powerful men on the face of the earth. A king-maker. He

climbed

> all the way to the top to make a better life for his child sitting

> next to him.

> >

> > Was he playing the role of loyalist taking quiet exception to

what

> his darling revolutionary " Daisy McConnahay " had to say? Was he

> neuro-crunching things to figure out what he'd need later in the

day

> for damage control back at the office? Did 's " lip " just cost

Bob

> a friendship or advertising dollars? Don't know for sure, but it

was

> clear the CEO wheels in his brain were on a smoke-run like he'd

just

> hooked into a great whale using relatively light tackle.

> >

[Guest guest]

,

In no way should you blame yourself or think you should have done

something differently. You are helping many parents every day. It's like

swimming up stream during stormy wheather trying to get everyone to follow

you. My friend who totally believes me is still getting her children the

flu shot with thimerosal. She strongly believes that the Autism world will

only get heard if we talk only about mercury and not immunization. She says

she gets turned off every time someone mentions they stopped vaccinating.

It almost has to affect you personally to truly " get it " . -

Re: Haunting Voicemail Message... Can anyone relate to

this? This SUCKS!

-

You mean to tell me that somebody admitted that it was a reaction to

a vaccine?

I am wondering if the MMR vaccine that your friend's child got was

from the same lot. Not that ANY of the MMR shots are GOOD or

necessary. I have been trying to reach this person by cell phone

all day and have been unsuccessful. Not good, not good...

I cannot help but think if I would have approached this differently

with him, maybe this would not have happened. I guess for those who

have been through this, all we can do is point out the information,

and hope they take us seriously.

It seems that sometimes the more we try to inform people(even when

they ask), the more people do not want to listen. Just because they

asked, does not mean they will take your advice.

After all, we " are NOT doctors, and of course they ALWAYS know best,

and what THEY say is ALWAYS correct. WHY? because it was published

in a medical journal, that's why. There is no need to research it "

>

> This comes at a coincidental time. My co-worker had her son

vaccinated the

> week before last at his one year check up. (The child had an ear

infection

> at the time.) Last Wednesday she took him to the doctor with a

rash all over

> his body. She was told that it was a reaction to the vaccine and

just a

> " slight measles rash. " This child has run a fever all this past

weekend and

> was in the ER last night with a fever of 105. They were told that

it was

> strep throat and sent home with antibiotics. This child is on

PeachCare and

> he did get the flu shot last winter which means that he got the

Thimerosal

> containing shot. This is very frightening and also sickening

because I have

> talked about the vaccines with her. Unfortunately, like 's

friend, I

> think a lot of people think their children will be more " bullet

proof. "

> Well, there has been no autism in my family before or since my

son. There is

> no way of telling who it will strike and it is sad that a lot of

parents

> don't realize the danger of vaccines until the damage is done.

Then they

> join us " raving lunatics " and say " You know, I wish I would have

listened to

> you. " Too little, too late.

> Sickening!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks. I don't blame myself. I just find it extremely frustrating,

sometimes. I never try to push anything on anyone, but I do

encourage people to do their homework. It is the whole " leading the

horse to water " thing.

I spoke to the parents of this child last night and his condition is

stabilizing. It has been two weeks since the vaccines. He is

better after bombarding him with vitamin C, probiotics, Vitamin A,

Cod Liver Oil and a few other things. No idea if there will be long

term damage, it is too early to tell. This child may have a chance

because of what his parents are doing now, but think about how many

others parents out there that would have taken the " just give him

some Motrin and antibiotics " advice.

> >

> > This comes at a coincidental time. My co-worker had her son

> vaccinated the

> > week before last at his one year check up. (The child had an ear

> infection

> > at the time.) Last Wednesday she took him to the doctor with a

> rash all over

> > his body. She was told that it was a reaction to the vaccine and

> just a

> > " slight measles rash. " This child has run a fever all this past

> weekend and

> > was in the ER last night with a fever of 105. They were told

that

> it was

> > strep throat and sent home with antibiotics. This child is on

> PeachCare and

> > he did get the flu shot last winter which means that he got the

> Thimerosal

> > containing shot. This is very frightening and also sickening

> because I have

> > talked about the vaccines with her. Unfortunately, like 's

> friend, I

> > think a lot of people think their children will be more " bullet

> proof. "

> > Well, there has been no autism in my family before or since my

> son. There is

> > no way of telling who it will strike and it is sad that a lot of

> parents

> > don't realize the danger of vaccines until the damage is done.

> Then they

> > join us " raving lunatics " and say " You know, I wish I would have

> listened to

> > you. " Too little, too late.

> > Sickening!

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Glad he may be doing better.

We all know the horrendous ramifications of thimerosal/viral/toxic

ingredients. We all do the best we can telling our friends and

family so that nobody will have to go through what we do.

It is their choice who they listen to.

It is frustrating when they don't choose us.

Never give up!

> > >

> > > This comes at a coincidental time. My co-worker had her son

> > vaccinated the

> > > week before last at his one year check up. (The child had an

ear

> > infection

> > > at the time.) Last Wednesday she took him to the doctor with a

> > rash all over

> > > his body. She was told that it was a reaction to the vaccine

and

> > just a

> > > " slight measles rash. " This child has run a fever all this

past

> > weekend and

> > > was in the ER last night with a fever of 105. They were told

> that

> > it was

> > > strep throat and sent home with antibiotics. This child is on

> > PeachCare and

> > > he did get the flu shot last winter which means that he got

the

> > Thimerosal

> > > containing shot. This is very frightening and also sickening

> > because I have

> > > talked about the vaccines with her. Unfortunately, like

's

> > friend, I

> > > think a lot of people think their children will be

more " bullet

> > proof. "

> > > Well, there has been no autism in my family before or since my

> > son. There is

> > > no way of telling who it will strike and it is sad that a lot

of

> > parents

> > > don't realize the danger of vaccines until the damage is done.

> > Then they

> > > join us " raving lunatics " and say " You know, I wish I would

have

> > listened to

> > > you. " Too little, too late.

> > > Sickening!

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thimerosal needs to be dealt with at the manufacturing level, not the

parents and pediatricians squinting at package inserts level. KB

> > > >

> > > > This comes at a coincidental time. My co-worker had her son

> > > vaccinated the

> > > > week before last at his one year check up. (The child had an

> ear

> > > infection

> > > > at the time.) Last Wednesday she took him to the doctor with a

> > > rash all over

> > > > his body. She was told that it was a reaction to the vaccine

> and

> > > just a

> > > > " slight measles rash. " This child has run a fever all this

> past

> > > weekend and

> > > > was in the ER last night with a fever of 105. They were told

> > that

> > > it was

> > > > strep throat and sent home with antibiotics. This child is on

> > > PeachCare and

> > > > he did get the flu shot last winter which means that he got

> the

> > > Thimerosal

> > > > containing shot. This is very frightening and also sickening

> > > because I have

> > > > talked about the vaccines with her. Unfortunately, like

> 's

> > > friend, I

> > > > think a lot of people think their children will be

> more " bullet

> > > proof. "

> > > > Well, there has been no autism in my family before or since my

> > > son. There is

> > > > no way of telling who it will strike and it is sad that a lot

> of

> > > parents

> > > > don't realize the danger of vaccines until the damage is done.

> > > Then they

> > > > join us " raving lunatics " and say " You know, I wish I would

> have

> > > listened to

> > > > you. " Too little, too late.

> > > > Sickening!

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

> " just give him some Motrin and antibiotics "

....after the Thimerosal sensitizes these kids to salicylates. Great

for bringing on asthma, too, in some kids.

And then give Tylenol and reduce glutathione levels.

How do we get this type of serious health information out to the

medical community? It's in the medical literature.

- Hokkanen

> > >

> > > This comes at a coincidental time. My co-worker had her son

> > vaccinated the

> > > week before last at his one year check up. (The child had an

ear

> > infection

> > > at the time.) Last Wednesday she took him to the doctor with a

> > rash all over

> > > his body. She was told that it was a reaction to the vaccine

and

> > just a

> > > " slight measles rash. " This child has run a fever all this

past

> > weekend and

> > > was in the ER last night with a fever of 105. They were told

> that

> > it was

> > > strep throat and sent home with antibiotics. This child is on

> > PeachCare and

> > > he did get the flu shot last winter which means that he got

the

> > Thimerosal

> > > containing shot. This is very frightening and also sickening

> > because I have

> > > talked about the vaccines with her. Unfortunately, like

's

> > friend, I

> > > think a lot of people think their children will be

more " bullet

> > proof. "

> > > Well, there has been no autism in my family before or since my

> > son. There is

> > > no way of telling who it will strike and it is sad that a lot

of

> > parents

> > > don't realize the danger of vaccines until the damage is done.

> > Then they

> > > join us " raving lunatics " and say " You know, I wish I would

have

> > listened to

> > > you. " Too little, too late.

> > > Sickening!

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >