Re: Haunting Voicemail Message... Can anyone relate to this? This SUCKS!

[Guest guest]

, I am not going to listen to the voicemail cause I know it will either

make me sick or make me cry. Neither I feel like doing right now. I got the

same call yesterday out of the blue. A lady I knew in florida has one 9yo

HFA and one 10yo aspie. She got remarried and had another boy and much to

my horror, still vaccinated, albeit slower. He is 4 now. She has always

told me how great he is doing, blah blah blah. Yesterday she told me that

he'll have a diagnosis by the time he enters school. Crap.

And here's one for the lawsuit files:

When I was in DC for the rally, I was with a lady who picked up her

voicemail on the speakerphone in front of me. the message was from her

daughter telling her about a co-worker. The husband took the 18 month old

in for a sick visit and the doctor said he couldn't find their file so he

gave the child the full 18 month vaccine regimen. Then the kids file was

found and she had already had all of the vaccines. Oops.

I would have called the cops and had him arrested for assault. I can't

believe the husband allowed it without so much as a phone call to his wife

either.

Crap.

Haunting Voicemail Message... Can anyone relate to this?

This SUCKS!

It is really hard to believe that shit like this is still going on.

I received the following message yesterday from a good friend of

mine who lives out of town. He asked me before his little boy was

born about vaccine advice and I gave him my opinion and pointed him

to resources. I told him if he decided to vaccinate and did not do

anything else, to not get the vaccine in the hospital, and spread

the rest of the vaccines out over time. He decided that he thought

that his kids were " more bulletproof " as he put it, so he did not

listen.

Well 12 days ago the child got 9 vaccines in 5 shots. Four of them

were live viruses (including MMR). Here is the message that he left

me today. As you can hear in his voice, he really does not know the

severity of the situatoin yet.

http://www.shoemaker.us/voicemail.wav

Here are the facts...

The child was sick the week before he got these vaccines.

The child has been developing normally up until this point, and is 1

year old.

The child has never had any problems prior to these vaccines.

The child has had a fever for the last 12 days.

The child's fever has peaked 5 times at over 105 in these last 12

days.

The child has his first ear infection that has lasted this whole

time.

The child was on his second round of antibiotics (augmenten) when I

got this call.

The child has been holding his ear to the ground constantly (most

likely from his ear infection)

The child has been constantly rubbing his head back and forth on the

floor screaming.

The child had sores on the back of his soft pallet and back of the

throat.

Today the child is covered in bumps all over his body, (mostly his

back), and wanted to lay on the floor and scream and did not want to

be touched.

The pediatrician that did this told him to just give the kid some

Motrin, and he will be fine (what an asshole). He said that this

was just a coincidence, and not from the vaccines.

Anyway, I do not think that this guy understands the potential

severity of this. I told him as painful as this is to him to get

the camera out and document EVERYTHING and I sent him to a Dr that

could help him.

This really sucks... Brought back some painful memories. Why is it

that the people that are hardest to help are the ones that are

closest to you?

Everybody pray for Landon and hope he does not turn out to be just

another statistic.

[Guest guest]

I'll pray for that child. Sounds like encephalitis. You gotta wonder

when some parents, probably dads, are going to start going postal.

>

> It is really hard to believe that shit like this is still going

on.

>

> I received the following message yesterday from a good friend of

> mine who lives out of town. He asked me before his little boy was

> born about vaccine advice and I gave him my opinion and pointed

him

> to resources. I told him if he decided to vaccinate and did not do

> anything else, to not get the vaccine in the hospital, and spread

> the rest of the vaccines out over time. He decided that he

thought

> that his kids were " more bulletproof " as he put it, so he did not

> listen.

>

> Well 12 days ago the child got 9 vaccines in 5 shots. Four of

them

> were live viruses (including MMR). Here is the message that he

left

> me today. As you can hear in his voice, he really does not know

the

> severity of the situatoin yet.

>

> http://www.shoemaker.us/voicemail.wav

>

>

> Here are the facts...

>

> The child was sick the week before he got these vaccines.

>

> The child has been developing normally up until this point, and is

1

> year old.

>

> The child has never had any problems prior to these vaccines.

>

> The child has had a fever for the last 12 days.

>

> The child's fever has peaked 5 times at over 105 in these last 12

> days.

>

> The child has his first ear infection that has lasted this whole

> time.

>

> The child was on his second round of antibiotics (augmenten) when

I

> got this call.

>

> The child has been holding his ear to the ground constantly (most

> likely from his ear infection)

>

> The child has been constantly rubbing his head back and forth on

the

> floor screaming.

>

> The child had sores on the back of his soft pallet and back of the

> throat.

>

> Today the child is covered in bumps all over his body, (mostly his

> back), and wanted to lay on the floor and scream and did not want

to

> be touched.

>

> The pediatrician that did this told him to just give the kid some

> Motrin, and he will be fine (what an asshole). He said that this

> was just a coincidence, and not from the vaccines.

>

>

> Anyway, I do not think that this guy understands the potential

> severity of this. I told him as painful as this is to him to get

> the camera out and document EVERYTHING and I sent him to a Dr that

> could help him.

>

> This really sucks... Brought back some painful memories. Why is

it

> that the people that are hardest to help are the ones that are

> closest to you?

>

> Everybody pray for Landon and hope he does not turn out to be just

> another statistic.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

He's in my prayers along with so many others.

It's hard to see this happen especially when you thought he " knew " .

Bob's postal comment is a reality waiting to happen. How much more

can parents take?

> >

> > It is really hard to believe that shit like this is still going

> on.

> >

> > I received the following message yesterday from a good friend of

> > mine who lives out of town. He asked me before his little boy

was

> > born about vaccine advice and I gave him my opinion and pointed

> him

> > to resources. I told him if he decided to vaccinate and did not

do

> > anything else, to not get the vaccine in the hospital, and

spread

> > the rest of the vaccines out over time. He decided that he

> thought

> > that his kids were " more bulletproof " as he put it, so he did

not

> > listen.

> >

> > Well 12 days ago the child got 9 vaccines in 5 shots. Four of

> them

> > were live viruses (including MMR). Here is the message that he

> left

> > me today. As you can hear in his voice, he really does not know

> the

> > severity of the situatoin yet.

> >

> > http://www.shoemaker.us/voicemail.wav

> >

> >

> > Here are the facts...

> >

> > The child was sick the week before he got these vaccines.

> >

> > The child has been developing normally up until this point, and

is

> 1

> > year old.

> >

> > The child has never had any problems prior to these vaccines.

> >

> > The child has had a fever for the last 12 days.

> >

> > The child's fever has peaked 5 times at over 105 in these last

12

> > days.

> >

> > The child has his first ear infection that has lasted this whole

> > time.

> >

> > The child was on his second round of antibiotics (augmenten)

when

> I

> > got this call.

> >

> > The child has been holding his ear to the ground constantly

(most

> > likely from his ear infection)

> >

> > The child has been constantly rubbing his head back and forth on

> the

> > floor screaming.

> >

> > The child had sores on the back of his soft pallet and back of

the

> > throat.

> >

> > Today the child is covered in bumps all over his body, (mostly

his

> > back), and wanted to lay on the floor and scream and did not

want

> to

> > be touched.

> >

> > The pediatrician that did this told him to just give the kid

some

> > Motrin, and he will be fine (what an asshole). He said that

this

> > was just a coincidence, and not from the vaccines.

> >

> >

> > Anyway, I do not think that this guy understands the potential

> > severity of this. I told him as painful as this is to him to

get

> > the camera out and document EVERYTHING and I sent him to a Dr

that

> > could help him.

> >

> > This really sucks... Brought back some painful memories. Why

is

> it

> > that the people that are hardest to help are the ones that are

> > closest to you?

> >

> > Everybody pray for Landon and hope he does not turn out to be

just

> > another statistic.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I know I have mentioned it before, but this message board I run for sept 04

babies... those of us who didn't vaxhave wonderfully healthy babies. My 19

month old uses 4 to 5 word sentences already.

yet there are the mom who didn't listen... I am not expected them to take my

word for it, so I posted everything for them to read, but when they didn't

even bother to ask for thimerosal free or put off the pox or MMR... and then

later wonder why their kid has autism or delay... well... what do say to

that in a tactful manner.

There is one definate autism DX in this group of little kids, 1 most likely

and now a little girl with a speech delay going in for evals....

another one bites the dust --again.

Its sad that people are not inclined to listen until its too late.

[Guest guest]

This MOM has enough testosterone flying around to shame the guys... if only

I could afford a rifle...but alas, the DMSA, MB12, and glutathione Rx's all

need called in tomorrow... *SIGH*

jenny

Re: Haunting Voicemail Message... Can anyone relate to

this? This SUCKS!

> I'll pray for that child. Sounds like encephalitis. You gotta wonder

> when some parents, probably dads, are going to start going postal.

[Guest guest]

OMG- that is painful to hear.

I really hope the kid is ok.

[Guest guest]

So painful to listen too . . . God help us all.

Haunting Voicemail Message... Can anyone relate to this? This SUCKS!

It is really hard to believe that shit like this is still going on. I received the following message yesterday from a good friend of mine who lives out of town. He asked me before his little boy was born about vaccine advice and I gave him my opinion and pointed him to resources. I told him if he decided to vaccinate and did not do anything else, to not get the vaccine in the hospital, and spread the rest of the vaccines out over time. He decided that he thought that his kids were "more bulletproof" as he put it, so he did not listen.Well 12 days ago the child got 9 vaccines in 5 shots. Four of them were live viruses (including MMR). Here is the message that he left me today. As you can hear in his voice, he really does not know the severity of the situatoin yet.http://www.shoemaker.us/voicemail.wavHere are the facts...The child was sick the week before he got these vaccines.The child has been developing normally up until this point, and is 1 year old.The child has never had any problems prior to these vaccines.The child has had a fever for the last 12 days.The child's fever has peaked 5 times at over 105 in these last 12 days.The child has his first ear infection that has lasted this whole time.The child was on his second round of antibiotics (augmenten) when I got this call.The child has been holding his ear to the ground constantly (most likely from his ear infection)The child has been constantly rubbing his head back and forth on the floor screaming.The child had sores on the back of his soft pallet and back of the throat.Today the child is covered in bumps all over his body, (mostly his back), and wanted to lay on the floor and scream and did not want to be touched.The pediatrician that did this told him to just give the kid some Motrin, and he will be fine (what an asshole). He said that this was just a coincidence, and not from the vaccines.Anyway, I do not think that this guy understands the potential severity of this. I told him as painful as this is to him to get the camera out and document EVERYTHING and I sent him to a Dr that could help him.This really sucks... Brought back some painful memories. Why is it that the people that are hardest to help are the ones that are closest to you?Everybody pray for Landon and hope he does not turn out to be just another statistic.

[Guest guest]

I think and all would agree that there is no reason ever to go "postal" and I don't think that such a thing will happen among parents. As parents, no matter how bad it gets we still have a responsibility for our kids, so I don't think anyone is going to go "postal."There are ways to fight back politically and legally -- there exist legitimate outlets to channel the rage that many of us feel.What legal outlets? What political outlets? I keep hearing about the Vioxx verdicts. I can't understand why the people who were harmed by this drug are able to get recourse thru the civil court system, but parents of vaccine injured children can't. Not until they've gone thru the special court, the one created only for them. The legal channels may be there, but I don't understand why the legal channels have been so

twisted for one group of people. It seems so unfair and it goes so unquestioned.Perhaps there is some hope thru the political outlets, but without the story being told, no politician in his right mind is going to want to deal with this issue. The scientists with the NIEHS, no matter how objective they might be, I feel will be inclined to simply want to wash their hands of it. So Kirby writes his book, and it's a great book and it wins him an award, but yet it isn't seen by enough people. Enough people that more damage isn't done. Kids are still being poisoned, and the government talks about reforming the FDA so that drug makers could possibly be forced to do safety studies on their own products after they've gone to market, as though this would be a good thing, would be progess. As though finally getting the fox to guard the henhouse is just what we need. And Grassley says there're problems, but no crisis. Find me the parent of a child who is

lost who doesn't think that we have a crisis. And yet if the media is interested in discussing autism, the main stream media, it is to show americans warm fuzzy stories about dissident documentaries that make no mention of vaccines or mecury (Yes I too am scared by normal people. But I would appreciate a bit of balance in the autism reporting.), as tho there isn't a person on the planet who's had questions or concerns about them. But then, how could Cambell Brown smile so pretty if she talked about the real issues, the important issues, here?? I fear that no one on my telly or radio will pick up the story, and I know that if no one on my telly or radio picks up the story, nothing will ever be done politically. No, the occasional mention every few months on Imus isn't sufficient. No, I'm not going to go postal. I don't have the time, and my kids are fine. But somebody cheer me up. Tell me something about Finding The Words, maybe. About how PBS is

finally going to show it. Or about how it doesn't mattter if PBS doesn't show it but chooses instead to show 'RX for Survival-- The Heroes'. About how it's soon going to be seen all over the country anyway, because there is a market for bringing issues that matter to the public.

[Guest guest]

As long as Democrats are so dirty on the issue with their mandates and Stalinist programs.

As long as Republicans are so dirty on the issue with their obsessive tort retorn and lax business oversight.

As long as your public health agencies are corrupted by the issue.

And as long as one company continues to wield an oversized influence on our public health agencies because of strong family ties to the present administration, this will continue.

Your MSM will not help- in fact, they are actually hostile to this issue.

All of the normal channels/sources who might normally be thought of as allies are not.

Your allies:

Secondary/family run newspapers, local newspapers;

Local television and radio stations;

Talk radio- the right ones;

Third parties;

Chiropractor groups;

College campuses;

Public Interest Research Groups;

Alternative medicine groups;

Any local tax group paying for special education services;

State and local governments for the same reasons;

The non-corruptible pediatricians (yes, there are some).

State and Local politicians.

Congressional politicians who speak out about this issue

ph Lieberman; Kerry; Dan Burton, Casey Weldon, (NJ), Carolyn Maloney and others;

Veterans Groups who understand the issues surrounding Gulf War Syndrome;

Grassroots political groups.

Candidates who address this issue specifically.

For a start.

Re: Re: Haunting Voicemail Message... Can anyone relate to this? This SUCKS!

I think and all would agree that there is no reason ever to go "postal" and I don't think that such a thing will happen among parents. As parents, no matter how bad it gets we still have a responsibility for our kids, so I don't think anyone is going to go "postal."There are ways to fight back politically and legally -- there exist legitimate outlets to channel the rage that many of us feel.What legal outlets? What political outlets? I keep hearing about the Vioxx verdicts. I can't understand why the people who were harmed by this drug are able to get recourse thru the civil court system, but parents of vaccine injured children can't. Not until they've gone thru the special court, the one created only for them. The legal channels may be there, but I don't understand why the legal channels have been so twisted for one group of people. It seems so unfair and it goes so unquestioned.Perhaps there is some hope thru the political outlets, but without the story being told, no politician in his right mind is going to want to deal with this issue. The scientists with the NIEHS, no matter how objective they might be, I feel will be inclined to simply want to wash their hands of it. So Kirby writes his book, and it's a great book and it wins him an award, but yet it isn't seen by enough people. Enough people that more damage isn't done. Kids are still being poisoned, and the government talks about reforming the FDA so that drug makers could possibly be forced to do safety studies on their own products after they've gone to market, as though this would be a good thing, would be progess. As though finally getting the fox to guard the henhouse is just what we need. And Grassley says there're problems, but no crisis. Find me the parent of a child who is lost who doesn't think that we have a crisis. And yet if the media is interested in discussing autism, the main stream media, it is to show americans warm fuzzy stories about dissident documentaries that make no mention of vaccines or mecury (Yes I too am scared by normal people. But I would appreciate a bit of balance in the autism reporting.), as tho there isn't a person on the planet who's had questions or concerns about them. But then, how could Cambell Brown smile so pretty if she talked about the real issues, the important issues, here?? I fear that no one on my telly or radio will pick up the story, and I know that if no one on my telly or radio picks up the story, nothing will ever be done politically. No, the occasional mention every few months on Imus isn't sufficient. No, I'm not going to go postal. I don't have the time, and my kids are fine. But somebody cheer me up. Tell me something about Finding The Words, maybe. About how PBS is finally going to show it. Or about how it doesn't mattter if PBS doesn't show it but chooses instead to show 'RX for Survival-- The Heroes'. About how it's soon going to be seen all over the country anyway, because there is a market for bringing issues that matter to the public.

[Guest guest]

Some small hope: I've noticed over the last 6 - 8 months that the

Wall Street Journalis chipping away at the pharmaceutical Kevlar

Vest. They've run a lot of articles about the conflicts of interest

within the FDA and pharmaceutical industries, paid researchers,

etc. Today, Monday, WSJ, check out the front page, left side

column: " Critical Dose: Aspirin Dispute is Fueled by Funds of

Industry Rivals " The article talks about studies

describing " aspirin resistance " are funded by the folks who make

PLAVIX in an effort to get people off low dose aspirin for heart

health and onto prescription drugs.

The connection to autism? The more people see that the game is

money and pharmaceutical companies messing with their pocketbooks

and health for profit the more likely they are to believe that the

autism/vaccine connection isn't so far fetched after all.

KS

>

>

>

> I think and all would agree that there is no reason ever to

go

> " postal " and I don't think that such a thing will happen among

parents.

> As parents, no matter how bad it gets we still have a

responsibility

> for our kids, so I don't think anyone is going to go " postal. "

>

> There are ways to fight back politically and legally -- there

exist

> legitimate outlets to channel the rage that many of us feel.

> What legal outlets? What political outlets?

>

> I keep hearing about the Vioxx verdicts. I can't understand why

the people who were harmed by this drug are able to get recourse

thru the civil court system, but parents of vaccine injured children

can't. Not until they've gone thru the special court, the one

created only for them. The legal channels may be there, but I don't

understand why the legal channels have been so twisted for one group

of people. It seems so unfair and it goes so unquestioned.

>

> Perhaps there is some hope thru the political outlets, but without

the story being told, no politician in his right mind is going to

want to deal with this issue. The scientists with the NIEHS, no

matter how objective they might be, I feel will be inclined to

simply want to wash their hands of it.

>

> So Kirby writes his book, and it's a great book and it wins

him an award, but yet it isn't seen by enough people. Enough people

that more damage isn't done. Kids are still being poisoned, and the

government talks about reforming the FDA so that drug makers could

possibly be forced to do safety studies on their own products after

they've gone to market, as though this would be a good thing, would

be progess. As though finally getting the fox to guard the henhouse

is just what we need. And Grassley says there're problems, but no

crisis. Find me the parent of a child who is lost who doesn't think

that we have a crisis.

>

> And yet if the media is interested in discussing autism, the main

stream media, it is to show americans warm fuzzy stories about

dissident documentaries that make no mention of vaccines or mecury

(Yes I too am scared by normal people. But I would appreciate a bit

of balance in the autism reporting.), as tho there isn't a person on

the planet who's had questions or concerns about them. But then,

how could Cambell Brown smile so pretty if she talked about the real

issues, the important issues, here?? I fear that no one on my telly

or radio will pick up the story, and I know that if no one on my

telly or radio picks up the story, nothing will ever be done

politically. No, the occasional mention every few months on Imus

isn't sufficient.

>

> No, I'm not going to go postal. I don't have the time, and my kids

are fine. But somebody cheer me up. Tell me something about Finding

The Words, maybe. About how PBS is finally going to show it. Or

about how it doesn't mattter if PBS doesn't show it but chooses

instead to show 'RX for Survival-- The Heroes'. About how it's soon

going to be seen all over the country anyway, because there is a

market for bringing issues that matter to the public.

>

[Guest guest]

Amen.

Re: Re: Haunting Voicemail Message... Can anyone relate to this? This SUCKS!

I think and all would agree that there is no reason ever to go "postal" and I don't think that such a thing will happen among parents. As parents, no matter how bad it gets we still have a responsibility for our kids, so I don't think anyone is going to go "postal."There are ways to fight back politically and legally -- there exist legitimate outlets to channel the rage that many of us feel.What legal outlets? What political outlets? I keep hearing about the Vioxx verdicts. I can't understand why the people who were harmed by this drug are able to get recourse thru the civil court system, but parents of vaccine injured children can't. Not until they've gone thru the special court, the one created only for them. The legal channels may be there, but I don't understand why the legal channels have been so twisted for one group of people. It seems so unfair and it goes so unquestioned.Perhaps there is some hope thru the political outlets, but without the story being told, no politician in his right mind is going to want to deal with this issue. The scientists with the NIEHS, no matter how objective they might be, I feel will be inclined to simply want to wash their hands of it. So Kirby writes his book, and it's a great book and it wins him an award, but yet it isn't seen by enough people. Enough people that more damage isn't done. Kids are still being poisoned, and the government talks about reforming the FDA so that drug makers could possibly be forced to do safety studies on their own products after they've gone to market, as though this would be a good thing, would be progess. As though finally getting the fox to guard the henhouse is just what we need. And Grassley says there're problems, but no crisis. Find me the parent of a child who is lost who doesn't think that we have a crisis. And yet if the media is interested in discussing autism, the main stream media, it is to show americans warm fuzzy stories about dissident documentaries that make no mention of vaccines or mecury (Yes I too am scared by normal people. But I would appreciate a bit of balance in the autism reporting.), as tho there isn't a person on the planet who's had questions or concerns about them. But then, how could Cambell Brown smile so pretty if she talked about the real issues, the important issues, here?? I fear that no one on my telly or radio will pick up the story, and I know that if no one on my telly or radio picks up the story, nothing will ever be done politically. No, the occasional mention every few months on Imus isn't sufficient. No, I'm not going to go postal. I don't have the time, and my kids are fine. But somebody cheer me up. Tell me something about Finding The Words, maybe. About how PBS is finally going to show it. Or about how it doesn't mattter if PBS doesn't show it but chooses instead to show 'RX for Survival-- The Heroes'. About how it's soon going to be seen all over the country anyway, because there is a market for bringing issues that matter to the public.

[Guest guest]

I'm glad to see the WSJ writing something critical of pharma. They have a history of vile editorials on desperate parents of autistic kids, dangerous treatments and frivolous lawsuits, so we should take this with a grain of salt, do you need an Rx for that yet?

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of krstaglianoSent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:39 AMEOHarm Subject: Re: Haunting Voicemail Message... Can anyone relate to this? This SUCKS!

Some small hope: I've noticed over the last 6 - 8 months that the Wall Street Journalis chipping away at the pharmaceutical Kevlar Vest. They've run a lot of articles about the conflicts of interest within the FDA and pharmaceutical industries, paid researchers, etc. Today, Monday, WSJ, check out the front page, left side column: "Critical Dose: Aspirin Dispute is Fueled by Funds of Industry Rivals" The article talks about studies describing "aspirin resistance" are funded by the folks who make PLAVIX in an effort to get people off low dose aspirin for heart health and onto prescription drugs.The connection to autism? The more people see that the game is money and pharmaceutical companies messing with their pocketbooks and health for profit the more likely they are to believe that the autism/vaccine connection isn't so far fetched after all.KS>> > > I think and all would agree that there is no reason ever to go > "postal" and I don't think that such a thing will happen among parents. > As parents, no matter how bad it gets we still have a responsibility > for our kids, so I don't think anyone is going to go "postal."> > There are ways to fight back politically and legally -- there exist > legitimate outlets to channel the rage that many of us feel.> What legal outlets? What political outlets? > > I keep hearing about the Vioxx verdicts. I can't understand why the people who were harmed by this drug are able to get recourse thru the civil court system, but parents of vaccine injured children can't. Not until they've gone thru the special court, the one created only for them. The legal channels may be there, but I don't understand why the legal channels have been so twisted for one group of people. It seems so unfair and it goes so unquestioned.> > Perhaps there is some hope thru the political outlets, but without the story being told, no politician in his right mind is going to want to deal with this issue. The scientists with the NIEHS, no matter how objective they might be, I feel will be inclined to simply want to wash their hands of it. > > So Kirby writes his book, and it's a great book and it wins him an award, but yet it isn't seen by enough people. Enough people that more damage isn't done. Kids are still being poisoned, and the government talks about reforming the FDA so that drug makers could possibly be forced to do safety studies on their own products after they've gone to market, as though this would be a good thing, would be progess. As though finally getting the fox to guard the henhouse is just what we need. And Grassley says there're problems, but no crisis. Find me the parent of a child who is lost who doesn't think that we have a crisis. > > And yet if the media is interested in discussing autism, the main stream media, it is to show americans warm fuzzy stories about dissident documentaries that make no mention of vaccines or mecury (Yes I too am scared by normal people. But I would appreciate a bit of balance in the autism reporting.), as tho there isn't a person on the planet who's had questions or concerns about them. But then, how could Cambell Brown smile so pretty if she talked about the real issues, the important issues, here?? I fear that no one on my telly or radio will pick up the story, and I know that if no one on my telly or radio picks up the story, nothing will ever be done politically. No, the occasional mention every few months on Imus isn't sufficient. > > No, I'm not going to go postal. I don't have the time, and my kids are fine. But somebody cheer me up. Tell me something about Finding The Words, maybe. About how PBS is finally going to show it. Or about how it doesn't mattter if PBS doesn't show it but chooses instead to show 'RX for Survival-- The Heroes'. About how it's soon going to be seen all over the country anyway, because there is a market for bringing issues that matter to the public.>

[Guest guest]

This is awful and brings back terrible memories.

My son had an adverse reaction after his MMR & 4th Hib at 13

months. It pains me to look at the photo we took of him and I have

been hesitant to upload it to the group--until I heard this haunting

voicemail message. I just uploaded it and created an album

entitled, what else, Evidence of Harm. What made us take that

photo, I don't know, but it has been a powerful tool for us in

pushing for vaccine safety. (I recently used it as part of my

testimony for the thimerosal bill in Mass. and can honestly say that

there was not a dry eye in the entire room, including Senators &

Reps.)

So much of the Facts that listed also apply to my son.

The day of our well appt., the ped dx'd him with an ear infection,

gave us a scrip for Augmentin (nasty, nasty stuff), then proceeded

to give him the MMR and 4th Hib. ( was born in 1996, so he got

all the hg-laden shots and Hep B when hours old.)

His fever lasted for days (probably close to a week) and got as high

as 105.

We were also told to give him Tylenol(even worse than Motrin).

He could not eat, drink, hold his head up, and cried constantly.

The ped said that it was probably the ear infection virus that

caused the reaction (erythema multiforms, vasculitis) although there

was no way to prove that theory. Out of all the docs & specialists

we saw during that period, not one even mentioned the words 'vaccine

reaction.'

Prior to that day, he had been developing normally. After

he " recovered, " all developmental progress stopped and his language

faded away.

God help us all.

Cheryl

>

> It is really hard to believe that shit like this is still going

on.

>

> I received the following message yesterday from a good friend of

> mine who lives out of town. He asked me before his little boy was

> born about vaccine advice and I gave him my opinion and pointed

him

> to resources. I told him if he decided to vaccinate and did not do

> anything else, to not get the vaccine in the hospital, and spread

> the rest of the vaccines out over time. He decided that he

thought

> that his kids were " more bulletproof " as he put it, so he did not

> listen.

>

> Well 12 days ago the child got 9 vaccines in 5 shots. Four of

them

> were live viruses (including MMR). Here is the message that he

left

> me today. As you can hear in his voice, he really does not know

the

> severity of the situatoin yet.

>

> http://www.shoemaker.us/voicemail.wav

>

>

> Here are the facts...

>

> The child was sick the week before he got these vaccines.

>

> The child has been developing normally up until this point, and is

1

> year old.

>

> The child has never had any problems prior to these vaccines.

>

> The child has had a fever for the last 12 days.

>

> The child's fever has peaked 5 times at over 105 in these last 12

> days.

>

> The child has his first ear infection that has lasted this whole

> time.

>

> The child was on his second round of antibiotics (augmenten) when

I

> got this call.

>

> The child has been holding his ear to the ground constantly (most

> likely from his ear infection)

>

> The child has been constantly rubbing his head back and forth on

the

> floor screaming.

>

> The child had sores on the back of his soft pallet and back of the

> throat.

>

> Today the child is covered in bumps all over his body, (mostly his

> back), and wanted to lay on the floor and scream and did not want

to

> be touched.

>

> The pediatrician that did this told him to just give the kid some

> Motrin, and he will be fine (what an asshole). He said that this

> was just a coincidence, and not from the vaccines.

>

>

> Anyway, I do not think that this guy understands the potential

> severity of this. I told him as painful as this is to him to get

> the camera out and document EVERYTHING and I sent him to a Dr that

> could help him.

>

> This really sucks... Brought back some painful memories. Why is

it

> that the people that are hardest to help are the ones that are

> closest to you?

>

> Everybody pray for Landon and hope he does not turn out to be just

> another statistic.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Cheryl,

I

remember your testimony and the picture of your son.

The first brought the devastating documentation

of a vaccine injured child

to the forefront of that legislative hearing;

the second, the picture of your son, brought a stunned stillness to the face of

everyone who saw it’’

How do we withstand seeing the

assault of poison on a child? We withstand it and fight for

the same reason you and your family so bravely do:

for the sake of your son, for the sake of every injured child, for the

sake of the children injured years ago who battle new and terrible diseases as

they get older....all due to earlier poisoning ..for the hope they

can all get better. and .for the hope others will not suffer the same fate

It’s an honor knowing you, and it is gratifying to see the

work you have done in Massachusetts

for the sake of the children: your support group, your work with AFAM, your involvement

with the Mercury Free Vaccine Coalition, MFVC, and your legislative

and social pioneering to raise awareness

Stay strong, always have hope, and know you are in inspiration and source

of support for so many; Suzanne

Messina MFVC, REAACH

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of CherylGaudino

Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:25

AM

EOHarm

Subject: Re: Haunting

Voicemail Message... Can anyone relate to this? This SUCKS!

This is awful and brings

back terrible memories.

My son had an adverse reaction after his MMR & 4th Hib at 13

months. It pains me to look at the photo we took of him and I have

been hesitant to upload it to the group--until I heard this haunting

voicemail message. I just uploaded it and created an album

entitled, what else, Evidence of Harm. What made us take that

photo, I don't know, but it has been a powerful tool for us in

pushing for vaccine safety. (I recently used it as part of my

testimony for the thimerosal bill in Mass.

and can honestly say that

there was not a dry eye in the entire room, including Senators &

Reps.)

So much of the Facts that listed also apply to my son.

The day of our well appt., the ped dx'd him with an ear infection,

gave us a scrip for Augmentin (nasty, nasty stuff), then proceeded

to give him the MMR and 4th Hib. ( was born in 1996, so he got

all the hg-laden shots and Hep B when hours old.)

His fever lasted for days (probably close to a week) and got as high

as 105.

We were also told to give him Tylenol(even worse than Motrin).

He could not eat, drink, hold his head up, and cried constantly.

The ped said that it was probably the ear infection virus that

caused the reaction (erythema multiforms, vasculitis) although there

was no way to prove that theory. Out of all the docs & specialists

we saw during that period, not one even mentioned the words 'vaccine

reaction.'

Prior to that day, he had been developing normally. After

he " recovered, " all developmental progress stopped and his language

faded away.

God help us all.

Cheryl

>

> It is really hard to believe that shit like this is still going

on.

>

> I received the following message yesterday from a good friend of

> mine who lives out of town. He asked me before his little boy was

> born about vaccine advice and I gave him my opinion and pointed

him

> to resources. I told him if he decided to vaccinate and did not do

> anything else, to not get the vaccine in the hospital, and spread

> the rest of the vaccines out over time. He decided that he

thought

> that his kids were " more bulletproof " as he put it, so he did

not

> listen.

>

> Well 12 days ago the child got 9 vaccines in 5 shots. Four of

them

> were live viruses (including MMR). Here is the message that he

left

> me today. As you can hear in his voice, he really does not know

the

> severity of the situatoin yet.

>

> http://www.shoemaker.us/voicemail.wav

>

>

> Here are the facts...

>

> The child was sick the week before he got these vaccines.

>

> The child has been developing normally up until this point, and is

1

> year old.

>

> The child has never had any problems prior to these vaccines.

>

> The child has had a fever for the last 12 days.

>

> The child's fever has peaked 5 times at over 105 in these last 12

> days.

>

> The child has his first ear infection that has lasted this whole

> time.

>

> The child was on his second round of antibiotics (augmenten) when

I

> got this call.

>

> The child has been holding his ear to the ground constantly (most

> likely from his ear infection)

>

> The child has been constantly rubbing his head back and forth on

the

> floor screaming.

>

> The child had sores on the back of his soft pallet and back of the

> throat.

>

> Today the child is covered in bumps all over his body, (mostly his

> back), and wanted to lay on the floor and scream and did not want

to

> be touched.

>

> The pediatrician that did this told him to just give the kid some

> Motrin, and he will be fine (what an asshole). He said that this

> was just a coincidence, and not from the vaccines.

>

>

> Anyway, I do not think that this guy understands the potential

> severity of this. I told him as painful as this is to him to get

> the camera out and document EVERYTHING and I sent him to a Dr that

> could help him.

>

> This really sucks... Brought back some painful memories. Why

is

it

> that the people that are hardest to help are the ones that are

> closest to you?

>

> Everybody pray for Landon and hope he does not turn out to be just

> another statistic.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Robin,

There's lots of organizations working very hard on the political

front and I know all of us can use all the help we can get. ACHAMP,

NAA, UA, some chapters of ASA, TACA, and many more. If you email

what state you are in I could direct you to organizations and people

in your state that could certainly use your energy and intelligence.

In NY right now a coalition of groups is fighting like crazy to get

a bill past to prohibit health inusurers from discrimination agains

people with ASD. It is a ton of work and takes the involvement of

thousands but we are making progress. We have mercury in vaccine

laws passed in 7 states now. They been introduced in 25 more. We are

light years beyond where we were even 2 years ago.

Old guys with bad hearts run most of the world, which is why Vioxx

is a big deal. As more and more of these old guys end up with

kgrandchildren with autism, klike Bob of NBC we will see more

and more action from the elites. In the meantime we peasants got do

all we can to move our agenda along.

Thanks,

>

>

>

> I think and all would agree that there is no reason ever to

go

> " postal " and I don't think that such a thing will happen among

parents.

> As parents, no matter how bad it gets we still have a

responsibility

> for our kids, so I don't think anyone is going to go " postal. "

>

> There are ways to fight back politically and legally -- there

exist

> legitimate outlets to channel the rage that many of us feel.

> What legal outlets? What political outlets?

>

> I keep hearing about the Vioxx verdicts. I can't understand why

the people who were harmed by this drug are able to get recourse

thru the civil court system, but parents of vaccine injured children

can't. Not until they've gone thru the special court, the one

created only for them. The legal channels may be there, but I don't

understand why the legal channels have been so twisted for one group

of people. It seems so unfair and it goes so unquestioned.

>

> Perhaps there is some hope thru the political outlets, but without

the story being told, no politician in his right mind is going to

want to deal with this issue. The scientists with the NIEHS, no

matter how objective they might be, I feel will be inclined to

simply want to wash their hands of it.

>

> So Kirby writes his book, and it's a great book and it wins

him an award, but yet it isn't seen by enough people. Enough people

that more damage isn't done. Kids are still being poisoned, and the

government talks about reforming the FDA so that drug makers could

possibly be forced to do safety studies on their own products after

they've gone to market, as though this would be a good thing, would

be progess. As though finally getting the fox to guard the henhouse

is just what we need. And Grassley says there're problems, but no

crisis. Find me the parent of a child who is lost who doesn't think

that we have a crisis.

>

> And yet if the media is interested in discussing autism, the main

stream media, it is to show americans warm fuzzy stories about

dissident documentaries that make no mention of vaccines or mecury

(Yes I too am scared by normal people. But I would appreciate a bit

of balance in the autism reporting.), as tho there isn't a person on

the planet who's had questions or concerns about them. But then,

how could Cambell Brown smile so pretty if she talked about the real

issues, the important issues, here?? I fear that no one on my telly

or radio will pick up the story, and I know that if no one on my

telly or radio picks up the story, nothing will ever be done

politically. No, the occasional mention every few months on Imus

isn't sufficient.

>

> No, I'm not going to go postal. I don't have the time, and my kids

are fine. But somebody cheer me up. Tell me something about Finding

The Words, maybe. About how PBS is finally going to show it. Or

about how it doesn't mattter if PBS doesn't show it but chooses

instead to show 'RX for Survival-- The Heroes'. About how it's soon

going to be seen all over the country anyway, because there is a

market for bringing issues that matter to the public.

>

[Guest guest]

Great post, . Very imformative.

Regarding the COX-2 inhibitors, many of them show cardiovascular effects because of genetic variability in small numbers of people of a cardiovascular receptor, similar to the effects of vaccines where about 15% of a population can't excrete mercury efficiently. In fact, virtually all side effects of drugs are similar to the situation with our kids inasmuch as there will always be a certain percentage of the population which will react differently to different things. It's how we are wired.

Re: Haunting Voicemail Message... Can anyone relate to this? This SUCKS!

Hi Robin,There's lots of organizations working very hard on the political front and I know all of us can use all the help we can get. ACHAMP, NAA, UA, some chapters of ASA, TACA, and many more. If you email what state you are in I could direct you to organizations and people in your state that could certainly use your energy and intelligence. In NY right now a coalition of groups is fighting like crazy to get a bill past to prohibit health inusurers from discrimination agains people with ASD. It is a ton of work and takes the involvement of thousands but we are making progress. We have mercury in vaccine laws passed in 7 states now. They been introduced in 25 more. We are light years beyond where we were even 2 years ago. Old guys with bad hearts run most of the world, which is why Vioxx is a big deal. As more and more of these old guys end up with kgrandchildren with autism, klike Bob of NBC we will see more and more action from the elites. In the meantime we peasants got do all we can to move our agenda along.Thanks,>> > > I think and all would agree that there is no reason ever to go > "postal" and I don't think that such a thing will happen among parents. > As parents, no matter how bad it gets we still have a responsibility > for our kids, so I don't think anyone is going to go "postal."> > There are ways to fight back politically and legally -- there exist > legitimate outlets to channel the rage that many of us feel.> What legal outlets? What political outlets? > > I keep hearing about the Vioxx verdicts. I can't understand why the people who were harmed by this drug are able to get recourse thru the civil court system, but parents of vaccine injured children can't. Not until they've gone thru the special court, the one created only for them. The legal channels may be there, but I don't understand why the legal channels have been so twisted for one group of people. It seems so unfair and it goes so unquestioned.> > Perhaps there is some hope thru the political outlets, but without the story being told, no politician in his right mind is going to want to deal with this issue. The scientists with the NIEHS, no matter how objective they might be, I feel will be inclined to simply want to wash their hands of it. > > So Kirby writes his book, and it's a great book and it wins him an award, but yet it isn't seen by enough people. Enough people that more damage isn't done. Kids are still being poisoned, and the government talks about reforming the FDA so that drug makers could possibly be forced to do safety studies on their own products after they've gone to market, as though this would be a good thing, would be progess. As though finally getting the fox to guard the henhouse is just what we need. And Grassley says there're problems, but no crisis. Find me the parent of a child who is lost who doesn't think that we have a crisis. > > And yet if the media is interested in discussing autism, the main stream media, it is to show americans warm fuzzy stories about dissident documentaries that make no mention of vaccines or mecury (Yes I too am scared by normal people. But I would appreciate a bit of balance in the autism reporting.), as tho there isn't a person on the planet who's had questions or concerns about them. But then, how could Cambell Brown smile so pretty if she talked about the real issues, the important issues, here?? I fear that no one on my telly or radio will pick up the story, and I know that if no one on my telly or radio picks up the story, nothing will ever be done politically. No, the occasional mention every few months on Imus isn't sufficient. > > No, I'm not going to go postal. I don't have the time, and my kids are fine. But somebody cheer me up. Tell me something about Finding The Words, maybe. About how PBS is finally going to show it. Or about how it doesn't mattter if PBS doesn't show it but chooses instead to show 'RX for Survival-- The Heroes'. About how it's soon going to be seen all over the country anyway, because there is a market for bringing issues that matter to the public.>

[Guest guest]

Cheryl,

That picture is frightening. Sorry to drag up the past for you. It

is horrible that the medical community does not " learn from this "

instead of chalking it up to coincidence and discounting it. I

wonder how many times that this happens and is never reported.

because of these attitudes.

I am going to have the guy email me a picture of his son's bumps to

see if there is any similarity. Thank you for posting.

> >

> > It is really hard to believe that shit like this is still going

> on.

> >

> > I received the following message yesterday from a good friend of

> > mine who lives out of town. He asked me before his little boy

was

> > born about vaccine advice and I gave him my opinion and pointed

> him

> > to resources. I told him if he decided to vaccinate and did not

do

> > anything else, to not get the vaccine in the hospital, and

spread

> > the rest of the vaccines out over time. He decided that he

> thought

> > that his kids were " more bulletproof " as he put it, so he did

not

> > listen.

> >

> > Well 12 days ago the child got 9 vaccines in 5 shots. Four of

> them

> > were live viruses (including MMR). Here is the message that he

> left

> > me today. As you can hear in his voice, he really does not know

> the

> > severity of the situatoin yet.

> >

> > http://www.shoemaker.us/voicemail.wav

> >

> >

> > Here are the facts...

> >

> > The child was sick the week before he got these vaccines.

> >

> > The child has been developing normally up until this point, and

is

> 1

> > year old.

> >

> > The child has never had any problems prior to these vaccines.

> >

> > The child has had a fever for the last 12 days.

> >

> > The child's fever has peaked 5 times at over 105 in these last

12

> > days.

> >

> > The child has his first ear infection that has lasted this whole

> > time.

> >

> > The child was on his second round of antibiotics (augmenten)

when

> I

> > got this call.

> >

> > The child has been holding his ear to the ground constantly

(most

> > likely from his ear infection)

> >

> > The child has been constantly rubbing his head back and forth on

> the

> > floor screaming.

> >

> > The child had sores on the back of his soft pallet and back of

the

> > throat.

> >

> > Today the child is covered in bumps all over his body, (mostly

his

> > back), and wanted to lay on the floor and scream and did not

want

> to

> > be touched.

> >

> > The pediatrician that did this told him to just give the kid

some

> > Motrin, and he will be fine (what an asshole). He said that

this

> > was just a coincidence, and not from the vaccines.

> >

> >

> > Anyway, I do not think that this guy understands the potential

> > severity of this. I told him as painful as this is to him to

get

> > the camera out and document EVERYTHING and I sent him to a Dr

that

> > could help him.

> >

> > This really sucks... Brought back some painful memories. Why

is

> it

> > that the people that are hardest to help are the ones that are

> > closest to you?

> >

> > Everybody pray for Landon and hope he does not turn out to be

just

> > another statistic.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

So what is Mr. going to do for us? Keep running avian flu shows???

Barb

Re: Haunting Voicemail Message... Can anyone relate to

this? This SUCKS!

> Hi Robin,

>

> There's lots of organizations working very hard on the political

> front and I know all of us can use all the help we can get. ACHAMP,

> NAA, UA, some chapters of ASA, TACA, and many more. If you email

> what state you are in I could direct you to organizations and people

> in your state that could certainly use your energy and intelligence.

> In NY right now a coalition of groups is fighting like crazy to get

> a bill past to prohibit health inusurers from discrimination agains

> people with ASD. It is a ton of work and takes the involvement of

> thousands but we are making progress. We have mercury in vaccine

> laws passed in 7 states now. They been introduced in 25 more. We are

> light years beyond where we were even 2 years ago.

>

> Old guys with bad hearts run most of the world, which is why Vioxx

> is a big deal. As more and more of these old guys end up with

> kgrandchildren with autism, klike Bob of NBC we will see more

> and more action from the elites. In the meantime we peasants got do

> all we can to move our agenda along.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

>>

>>

>>

>> I think and all would agree that there is no reason ever to

> go

>> " postal " and I don't think that such a thing will happen among

> parents.

>> As parents, no matter how bad it gets we still have a

> responsibility

>> for our kids, so I don't think anyone is going to go " postal. "

>>

>> There are ways to fight back politically and legally -- there

> exist

>> legitimate outlets to channel the rage that many of us feel.

>> What legal outlets? What political outlets?

>>

>> I keep hearing about the Vioxx verdicts. I can't understand why

> the people who were harmed by this drug are able to get recourse

> thru the civil court system, but parents of vaccine injured children

> can't. Not until they've gone thru the special court, the one

> created only for them. The legal channels may be there, but I don't

> understand why the legal channels have been so twisted for one group

> of people. It seems so unfair and it goes so unquestioned.

>>

>> Perhaps there is some hope thru the political outlets, but without

> the story being told, no politician in his right mind is going to

> want to deal with this issue. The scientists with the NIEHS, no

> matter how objective they might be, I feel will be inclined to

> simply want to wash their hands of it.

>>

>> So Kirby writes his book, and it's a great book and it wins

> him an award, but yet it isn't seen by enough people. Enough people

> that more damage isn't done. Kids are still being poisoned, and the

> government talks about reforming the FDA so that drug makers could

> possibly be forced to do safety studies on their own products after

> they've gone to market, as though this would be a good thing, would

> be progess. As though finally getting the fox to guard the henhouse

> is just what we need. And Grassley says there're problems, but no

> crisis. Find me the parent of a child who is lost who doesn't think

> that we have a crisis.

>>

>> And yet if the media is interested in discussing autism, the main

> stream media, it is to show americans warm fuzzy stories about

> dissident documentaries that make no mention of vaccines or mecury

> (Yes I too am scared by normal people. But I would appreciate a bit

> of balance in the autism reporting.), as tho there isn't a person on

> the planet who's had questions or concerns about them. But then,

> how could Cambell Brown smile so pretty if she talked about the real

> issues, the important issues, here?? I fear that no one on my telly

> or radio will pick up the story, and I know that if no one on my

> telly or radio picks up the story, nothing will ever be done

> politically. No, the occasional mention every few months on Imus

> isn't sufficient.

>>

>> No, I'm not going to go postal. I don't have the time, and my kids

> are fine. But somebody cheer me up. Tell me something about Finding

> The Words, maybe. About how PBS is finally going to show it. Or

> about how it doesn't mattter if PBS doesn't show it but chooses

> instead to show 'RX for Survival-- The Heroes'. About how it's soon

> going to be seen all over the country anyway, because there is a

> market for bringing issues that matter to the public.

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Where can we see the picture?

Barb

Re: Haunting Voicemail Message... Can anyone relate to

this? This SUCKS!

> Cheryl,

>

> That picture is frightening. Sorry to drag up the past for you. It

> is horrible that the medical community does not " learn from this "

> instead of chalking it up to coincidence and discounting it. I

> wonder how many times that this happens and is never reported.

> because of these attitudes.

>

> I am going to have the guy email me a picture of his son's bumps to

> see if there is any similarity. Thank you for posting.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>> >

>> > It is really hard to believe that shit like this is still going

>> on.

>> >

>> > I received the following message yesterday from a good friend of

>> > mine who lives out of town. He asked me before his little boy

> was

>> > born about vaccine advice and I gave him my opinion and pointed

>> him

>> > to resources. I told him if he decided to vaccinate and did not

> do

>> > anything else, to not get the vaccine in the hospital, and

> spread

>> > the rest of the vaccines out over time. He decided that he

>> thought

>> > that his kids were " more bulletproof " as he put it, so he did

> not

>> > listen.

>> >

>> > Well 12 days ago the child got 9 vaccines in 5 shots. Four of

>> them

>> > were live viruses (including MMR). Here is the message that he

>> left

>> > me today. As you can hear in his voice, he really does not know

>> the

>> > severity of the situatoin yet.

>> >

>> > http://www.shoemaker.us/voicemail.wav

>> >

>> >

>> > Here are the facts...

>> >

>> > The child was sick the week before he got these vaccines.

>> >

>> > The child has been developing normally up until this point, and

> is

>> 1

>> > year old.

>> >

>> > The child has never had any problems prior to these vaccines.

>> >

>> > The child has had a fever for the last 12 days.

>> >

>> > The child's fever has peaked 5 times at over 105 in these last

> 12

>> > days.

>> >

>> > The child has his first ear infection that has lasted this whole

>> > time.

>> >

>> > The child was on his second round of antibiotics (augmenten)

> when

>> I

>> > got this call.

>> >

>> > The child has been holding his ear to the ground constantly

> (most

>> > likely from his ear infection)

>> >

>> > The child has been constantly rubbing his head back and forth on

>> the

>> > floor screaming.

>> >

>> > The child had sores on the back of his soft pallet and back of

> the

>> > throat.

>> >

>> > Today the child is covered in bumps all over his body, (mostly

> his

>> > back), and wanted to lay on the floor and scream and did not

> want

>> to

>> > be touched.

>> >

>> > The pediatrician that did this told him to just give the kid

> some

>> > Motrin, and he will be fine (what an asshole). He said that

> this

>> > was just a coincidence, and not from the vaccines.

>> >

>> >

>> > Anyway, I do not think that this guy understands the potential

>> > severity of this. I told him as painful as this is to him to

> get

>> > the camera out and document EVERYTHING and I sent him to a Dr

> that

>> > could help him.

>> >

>> > This really sucks... Brought back some painful memories. Why

> is

>> it

>> > that the people that are hardest to help are the ones that are

>> > closest to you?

>> >

>> > Everybody pray for Landon and hope he does not turn out to be

> just

>> > another statistic.

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[Guest guest]

It's in the Photos section of the EOH listserv homepage. Try this

link:

http://ph./group/EOHarm/photos/view/1bbc?b=1

Try not to gasp...

Cheryl

> >>

> >> This is awful and brings back terrible memories.

> >>

> >> My son had an adverse reaction after his MMR & 4th Hib at

13

> >> months. It pains me to look at the photo we took of him and I

> > have

> >> been hesitant to upload it to the group--until I heard this

> > haunting

> >> voicemail message. I just uploaded it and created an album

> >> entitled, what else, Evidence of Harm. What made us take that

> >> photo, I don't know, but it has been a powerful tool for us in

> >> pushing for vaccine safety. (I recently used it as part of my

> >> testimony for the thimerosal bill in Mass. and can honestly say

> > that

> >> there was not a dry eye in the entire room, including Senators &

> >> Reps.)

> >>

> >> So much of the Facts that listed also apply to my son.

> >>

> >> The day of our well appt., the ped dx'd him with an ear

infection,

> >> gave us a scrip for Augmentin (nasty, nasty stuff), then

proceeded

> >> to give him the MMR and 4th Hib. ( was born in 1996, so he

got

> >> all the hg-laden shots and Hep B when hours old.)

> >>

> >> His fever lasted for days (probably close to a week) and got as

> > high

> >> as 105.

> >>

> >> We were also told to give him Tylenol(even worse than Motrin).

> >>

> >> He could not eat, drink, hold his head up, and cried constantly.

> >>

> >> The ped said that it was probably the ear infection virus that

> >> caused the reaction (erythema multiforms, vasculitis) although

> > there

> >> was no way to prove that theory. Out of all the docs &

> > specialists

> >> we saw during that period, not one even mentioned the

> > words 'vaccine

> >> reaction.'

> >>

> >> Prior to that day, he had been developing normally. After

> >> he " recovered, " all developmental progress stopped and his

> > language

> >> faded away.

> >>

> >>

> >> God help us all.

> >> Cheryl

[Guest guest]

This comes at a coincidental time. My co-worker had her son vaccinated the

week before last at his one year check up. (The child had an ear infection

at the time.) Last Wednesday she took him to the doctor with a rash all over

his body. She was told that it was a reaction to the vaccine and just a

" slight measles rash. " This child has run a fever all this past weekend and

was in the ER last night with a fever of 105. They were told that it was

strep throat and sent home with antibiotics. This child is on PeachCare and

he did get the flu shot last winter which means that he got the Thimerosal

containing shot. This is very frightening and also sickening because I have

talked about the vaccines with her. Unfortunately, like 's friend, I

think a lot of people think their children will be more " bullet proof. "

Well, there has been no autism in my family before or since my son. There is

no way of telling who it will strike and it is sad that a lot of parents

don't realize the danger of vaccines until the damage is done. Then they

join us " raving lunatics " and say " You know, I wish I would have listened to

you. " Too little, too late.

Sickening!

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Suz. You are the reason that the Mercury Free Vaccine

Coalition exists in Mass.--without you, that committee would have

never heard my story or seen that moving picture of my poor damaged

baby.

You are a force of nature and I am forever grateful to have you as

my friend. :-)

KTF, kid.

Cheryl

>

> Cheryl,

>

> I remember your testimony and the picture of your

son.

>

> The first brought the devastating documentation of a vaccine

injured child

>

> to the forefront of that legislative hearing;

>

> the second, the picture of your son, brought a stunned

stillness

> to the face of everyone who saw it''

>

>

>

> How do we withstand seeing the assault of poison on a child? We

> withstand it and fight for the same reason you and your family so

bravely

> do:

>

> for the sake of your son, for the sake of every injured child,

for the sake

> of the children injured years ago who battle new and terrible

diseases as

> they get older....all due to earlier poisoning ..for the hope

they can all

> get better. and .for the hope others will not suffer the same fate

>

>

>

> It's an honor knowing you, and it is gratifying to see

the work

> you have done in Massachusetts for the sake of the children: your

support

> group, your work with AFAM, your involvement with the Mercury

Free Vaccine

> Coalition, MFVC, and your legislative and social pioneering to

raise

> awareness

>

>

>

> Stay strong, always have hope, and know you are in

inspiration and

> source of support for so many; Suzanne Messina MFVC,

REAACH

>

[Guest guest]

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You mean to tell me that somebody admitted that it was a reaction to

a vaccine?

I am wondering if the MMR vaccine that your friend's child got was

from the same lot. Not that ANY of the MMR shots are GOOD or

necessary. I have been trying to reach this person by cell phone

all day and have been unsuccessful. Not good, not good...

I cannot help but think if I would have approached this differently

with him, maybe this would not have happened. I guess for those who

have been through this, all we can do is point out the information,

and hope they take us seriously.

It seems that sometimes the more we try to inform people(even when

they ask), the more people do not want to listen. Just because they

asked, does not mean they will take your advice.

After all, we " are NOT doctors, and of course they ALWAYS know best,

and what THEY say is ALWAYS correct. WHY? because it was published

in a medical journal, that's why. There is no need to research it "

>

> This comes at a coincidental time. My co-worker had her son

vaccinated the

> week before last at his one year check up. (The child had an ear

infection

> at the time.) Last Wednesday she took him to the doctor with a

rash all over

> his body. She was told that it was a reaction to the vaccine and

just a

> " slight measles rash. " This child has run a fever all this past

weekend and

> was in the ER last night with a fever of 105. They were told that

it was

> strep throat and sent home with antibiotics. This child is on

PeachCare and

> he did get the flu shot last winter which means that he got the

Thimerosal

> containing shot. This is very frightening and also sickening

because I have

> talked about the vaccines with her. Unfortunately, like 's

friend, I

> think a lot of people think their children will be more " bullet

proof. "

> Well, there has been no autism in my family before or since my

son. There is

> no way of telling who it will strike and it is sad that a lot of

parents

> don't realize the danger of vaccines until the damage is done.

Then they

> join us " raving lunatics " and say " You know, I wish I would have

listened to

> you. " Too little, too late.

> Sickening!

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think there are a whole bunch of big wigs that need to identify who their daddy is.

I saw Bob along with his daughter on Imus. When Imus asked what caused her son's autism during her answer she held up a piece of paper from her son's scrapbook recalling that she'd consented to some six vaccinations in one doctor visit. She rattled off the names of the vaccines and strongly suggested a connection between the vaccines and her son's regression into autism.

As I listened to I watched her dad. Quite a guy. One of the most powerful men on the face of the earth. A king-maker. He climbed all the way to the top to make a better life for his child sitting next to him.

Was he playing the role of loyalist taking quiet exception to what his darling revolutionary "Daisy McConnahay" had to say? Was he neuro-crunching things to figure out what he'd need later in the day for damage control back at the office? Did 's "lip" just cost Bob a friendship or advertising dollars? Don't know for sure, but it was clear the CEO wheels in his brain were on a smoke-run like he'd just hooked into a great whale using relatively light tackle.

Re: Haunting Voicemail Message... Can anyone relate to this? This SUCKS!> Hi Robin,>> There's lots of organizations working very hard on the political> front and I know all of us can use all the help we can get. ACHAMP,> NAA, UA, some chapters of ASA, TACA, and many more. If you email> what state you are in I could direct you to organizations and people> in your state that could certainly use your energy and intelligence.> In NY right now a coalition of groups is fighting like crazy to get> a bill past to prohibit health inusurers from discrimination agains> people with ASD. It is a ton of work and takes the involvement of> thousands but we are making progress. We have mercury in vaccine> laws passed in 7 states now. They been introduced in 25 more. We are> light years beyond where we were even 2 years ago.>> Old guys with bad hearts run most of the world, which is why Vioxx> is a big deal. As more and more of these old guys end up with> kgrandchildren with autism, klike Bob of NBC we will see more> and more action from the elites. In the meantime we peasants got do> all we can to move our agenda along.>> Thanks,> >>> >>>>>>>> I think and all would agree that there is no reason ever to> go>> "postal" and I don't think that such a thing will happen among> parents.>> As parents, no matter how bad it gets we still have a> responsibility>> for our kids, so I don't think anyone is going to go "postal.">>>> There are ways to fight back politically and legally -- there> exist>> legitimate outlets to channel the rage that many of us feel.>> What legal outlets? What political outlets?>>>> I keep hearing about the Vioxx verdicts. I can't understand why> the people who were harmed by this drug are able to get recourse> thru the civil court system, but parents of vaccine injured children> can't. Not until they've gone thru the special court, the one> created only for them. The legal channels may be there, but I don't> understand why the legal channels have been so twisted for one group> of people. It seems so unfair and it goes so unquestioned.>>>> Perhaps there is some hope thru the political outlets, but without> the story being told, no politician in his right mind is going to> want to deal with this issue. The scientists with the NIEHS, no> matter how objective they might be, I feel will be inclined to> simply want to wash their hands of it.>>>> So Kirby writes his book, and it's a great book and it wins> him an award, but yet it isn't seen by enough people. Enough people> that more damage isn't done. Kids are still being poisoned, and the> government talks about reforming the FDA so that drug makers could> possibly be forced to do safety studies on their own products after> they've gone to market, as though this would be a good thing, would> be progess. As though finally getting the fox to guard the henhouse> is just what we need. And Grassley says there're problems, but no> crisis. Find me the parent of a child who is lost who doesn't think> that we have a crisis.>>>> And yet if the media is interested in discussing autism, the main> stream media, it is to show americans warm fuzzy stories about> dissident documentaries that make no mention of vaccines or mecury> (Yes I too am scared by normal people. But I would appreciate a bit> of balance in the autism reporting.), as tho there isn't a person on> the planet who's had questions or concerns about them. But then,> how could Cambell Brown smile so pretty if she talked about the real> issues, the important issues, here?? I fear that no one on my telly> or radio will pick up the story, and I know that if no one on my> telly or radio picks up the story, nothing will ever be done> politically. No, the occasional mention every few months on Imus> isn't sufficient.>>>> No, I'm not going to go postal. I don't have the time, and my kids> are fine. But somebody cheer me up. Tell me something about Finding> The Words, maybe. About how PBS is finally going to show it. Or> about how it doesn't mattter if PBS doesn't show it but chooses> instead to show 'RX for Survival-- The Heroes'. About how it's soon> going to be seen all over the country anyway, because there is a> market for bringing issues that matter to the public.>>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

If he had to choose between CEO/power/money and his child and

grandson, lets hope love/responsibility/truth win.

How much more $ and power does he need?

teresa

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> I think and all would agree that there is no reason ever to

> > go

> >> " postal " and I don't think that such a thing will happen among

> > parents.

> >> As parents, no matter how bad it gets we still have a

> > responsibility

> >> for our kids, so I don't think anyone is going to go " postal. "

> >>

> >> There are ways to fight back politically and legally -- there

> > exist

> >> legitimate outlets to channel the rage that many of us feel.

> >> What legal outlets? What political outlets?

> >>

> >> I keep hearing about the Vioxx verdicts. I can't understand why

> > the people who were harmed by this drug are able to get recourse

> > thru the civil court system, but parents of vaccine injured children

> > can't. Not until they've gone thru the special court, the one

> > created only for them. The legal channels may be there, but I don't

> > understand why the legal channels have been so twisted for one group

> > of people. It seems so unfair and it goes so unquestioned.

> >>

> >> Perhaps there is some hope thru the political outlets, but without

> > the story being told, no politician in his right mind is going to

> > want to deal with this issue. The scientists with the NIEHS, no

> > matter how objective they might be, I feel will be inclined to

> > simply want to wash their hands of it.

> >>

> >> So Kirby writes his book, and it's a great book and it wins

> > him an award, but yet it isn't seen by enough people. Enough people

> > that more damage isn't done. Kids are still being poisoned, and the

> > government talks about reforming the FDA so that drug makers could

> > possibly be forced to do safety studies on their own products after

> > they've gone to market, as though this would be a good thing, would

> > be progess. As though finally getting the fox to guard the henhouse

> > is just what we need. And Grassley says there're problems, but no

> > crisis. Find me the parent of a child who is lost who doesn't think

> > that we have a crisis.

> >>

> >> And yet if the media is interested in discussing autism, the main

> > stream media, it is to show americans warm fuzzy stories about

> > dissident documentaries that make no mention of vaccines or mecury

> > (Yes I too am scared by normal people. But I would appreciate a bit

> > of balance in the autism reporting.), as tho there isn't a person on

> > the planet who's had questions or concerns about them. But then,

> > how could Cambell Brown smile so pretty if she talked about the real

> > issues, the important issues, here?? I fear that no one on my telly

> > or radio will pick up the story, and I know that if no one on my

> > telly or radio picks up the story, nothing will ever be done

> > politically. No, the occasional mention every few months on Imus

> > isn't sufficient.

> >>

> >> No, I'm not going to go postal. I don't have the time, and my kids

> > are fine. But somebody cheer me up. Tell me something about Finding

> > The Words, maybe. About how PBS is finally going to show it. Or

> > about how it doesn't mattter if PBS doesn't show it but chooses

> > instead to show 'RX for Survival-- The Heroes'. About how it's soon

> > going to be seen all over the country anyway, because there is a

> > market for bringing issues that matter to the public.

> >>

> >

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> >