Re: Question- Women & Bathroom

[Guest guest]

With the help of a personal assistant.

>

> How can women use a public toilet since we cannot transfer?

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

''A suprapubic catheter may be used in conditions where there is a problem

passing urine. These problems may include an infection, obstruction, or an

injury caused by trauma or surgery in the bladder.''

I, as most people with SMA, have nothing of the above.

I just need an accessible (with a lift) public rest room.The existed so

called accessible public toilets are not suitable for paralyzed women. That

is a bitter truth that we do not mention as much as we should in order to

show the injustice against paralyzed persons and especially against women.

In a message dated 3/29/2010 8:45:18 P.M. Central Standard Time,

xx_laura_s_xx@... writes:

Supra pubic catheter

[Guest guest]

Transferring for a person who cannot hold head, arms, upper body, is

possible if the caregiver had at least a couple of pairs of...arms!

The female urinal is made for women who can move/stay to the edge of the

seat.

Again, the paralyzed female has been excluded.

In a message dated 3/29/2010 9:07:12 P.M. Central Standard Time,

alrt@... writes:

A lot of women I know wear skirts w/o panties. Others shimmy pants down in

chair and then do transfer. I also know women who use a female urinal

after scooting to the edge of the seat.

[Guest guest]

I have no medical need for a supra public catheter. I need public toilets

with lifts.

To medically modify my body's functions to cover the social injustice made

against me is not a solution for me. Then why not allow SMA, and other

people with serious disabilities to medically keep their body small since it

is easier to transfer and take care a baby size paralyzed person. (It has

happened).

For me I find it cruel and dehumanizing to use a supra public catheter

while I can urinate normally and i have no medical need it.

I NEED ACCESSIBLE PUBLIC TOILETS WITH A LIFT!!!! Not a medical

procedure!!!

In a message dated 3/29/2010 9:40:00 P.M. Central Standard Time,

alrt@... writes:

Then maybe the supra pubic catheter is the right answer then. I know many

paralyzed folks who have them. I love mine.

>

>

> Transferring for a person who cannot hold head, arms, upper body, is

> possible if the caregiver had at least a couple of pairs of...arms!

> The female urinal is made for women who can move/stay to the edge of the

> seat.

> Again, the paralyzed female has been excluded.

>

> In a message dated 3/29/2010 9:07:12 P.M. Central Standard Time,

> alrt@... writes:

>

> A lot of women I know wear skirts w/o panties. Others shimmy pants down

in

> chair and then do transfer. I also know women who use a female urinal

> after scooting to the edge of the seat.

[Guest guest]

What is a craddle lift???

No one can lift me in one arm and pull my pants down with the other all

while transferring!

A lift would really help! Unfortunately, the DMI industry has given no

thought to really-really portable lifts.

Best of all would be a (ceiling) lift in every accessible toilet!

In a message dated 3/29/2010 9:49:40 P.M. Central Standard Time,

kendranicole@... writes:

Even in these cases, you can undress in your chair and then transfer. For

myself I have two different methods depending on the attendant with me.

Some of my smaller women prefer to take my pants and underwear off while still

in my wheelchair - using the tilt/recline function to assist with getting

a more useful angle - and then craddle lift onto the toilet. My stronger

attendants and my husband completely lift me in one arm and pull my pants

down with the other all while transferring. It helps to be very petite and to

wear loose fitting clothing.

[Guest guest]

A lot of women I know wear skirts w/o panties. Others shimmy pants down in

chair and then do transfer. I also know women who use a female urinal after

scooting to the edge of the seat.

> >

> > How can women use a public toilet since we cannot transfer?

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I love my SP catheter. I know in this group does too. I know 6 other

people with them too. It's a great way to be cathed without having a tube up

your urethra. Little to no discomfort.

>

>

> ''A suprapubic catheter may be used in conditions where there is a problem

> passing urine. These problems may include an infection, obstruction, or an

> injury caused by trauma or surgery in the bladder.''

> I, as most people with SMA, have nothing of the above.

> I just need an accessible (with a lift) public rest room.The existed so

> called accessible public toilets are not suitable for paralyzed women. That

> is a bitter truth that we do not mention as much as we should in order to

> show the injustice against paralyzed persons and especially against women.

>

[Guest guest]

Then maybe the supra pubic catheter is the right answer then. I know many

paralyzed folks who have them. I love mine.

>

>

> Transferring for a person who cannot hold head, arms, upper body, is

> possible if the caregiver had at least a couple of pairs of...arms!

> The female urinal is made for women who can move/stay to the edge of the

> seat.

> Again, the paralyzed female has been excluded.

>

> In a message dated 3/29/2010 9:07:12 P.M. Central Standard Time,

> alrt@... writes:

>

> A lot of women I know wear skirts w/o panties. Others shimmy pants down in

> chair and then do transfer. I also know women who use a female urinal

> after scooting to the edge of the seat.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Even in these cases, you can undress in your chair and then transfer. For myself

I have two different methods depending on the attendant with me. Some of my

smaller women prefer to take my pants and underwear off while still in my

wheelchair - using the tilt/recline function to assist with getting a more

useful angle - and then craddle lift onto the toilet. My stronger attendants and

my husband completely lift me in one arm and pull my pants down with the other

all while transferring. It helps to be very petite and to wear loose fitting

clothing.

>

>

> Transferring for a person who cannot hold head, arms, upper body, is

> possible if the caregiver had at least a couple of pairs of...arms!

> The female urinal is made for women who can move/stay to the edge of the

> seat.

> Again, the paralyzed female has been excluded.

>

> In a message dated 3/29/2010 9:07:12 P.M. Central Standard Time,

> alrt@... writes:

>

> A lot of women I know wear skirts w/o panties. Others shimmy pants down in

> chair and then do transfer. I also know women who use a female urinal

> after scooting to the edge of the seat.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Going to the bathroom outside of the home is a terrible problem for me. I

need 2 people---one to lift and one to undress me. This problem has made me

stay closer to home and not stay out too many hours. Bathroom needs rule my

life! Where are mini-lifts? Why doesn't someone invent that? What are

female urinals??

[Guest guest]

Hi

 

You seem rather unhappy we have all gave you our methods to use public toilets,

these may not meet your individual needs however considering you have been given

a few options you may want to think it’s not actually the toilet that is the

issue however it may be your unwillingness to be adaptable to situations.  I

think we can safely say there won’t be many public toilets which will full

meet everyone’s needs however with a little thought and organisation each of

us has looked at this issue and came up with a solution.  Personally with the

supra pubic catheter I can independently use a accessible toilet, it is not due

to any medical reasoning out with SMA that I have it just that it increases my

independence, this may not be your preference however please don’t ask for

advice and then be so rude in response to people who are trying to help, we all

have or are involved with SMA we don’t need you to reiterate inability’s we

all live with them,

however again some of us can deal with them and adapt in ways to address them,

I hope you find a solution that works for you

From: Melijeff@... <Melijeff@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Question- Women & Bathroom

Date: Tuesday, 30 March, 2010, 6:27

 

I have no medical need for a supra public catheter. I need public toilets

with lifts.

To medically modify my body's functions to cover the social injustice made

against me is not a solution for me. Then why not allow SMA, and other

people with serious disabilities to medically keep their body small since it

is easier to transfer and take care a baby size paralyzed person. (It has

happened).

For me I find it cruel and dehumanizing to use a supra public catheter

while I can urinate normally and i have no medical need it.

I NEED ACCESSIBLE PUBLIC TOILETS WITH A LIFT!!!! Not a medical

procedure!!!

In a message dated 3/29/2010 9:40:00 P.M. Central Standard Time,

alrtcomcast (DOT) net writes:

Then maybe the supra pubic catheter is the right answer then. I know many

paralyzed folks who have them. I love mine.

>

>

> Transferring for a person who cannot hold head, arms, upper body, is

> possible if the caregiver had at least a couple of pairs of...arms!

> The female urinal is made for women who can move/stay to the edge of the

> seat.

> Again, the paralyzed female has been excluded.

>

> In a message dated 3/29/2010 9:07:12 P.M. Central Standard Time,

> alrt@... writes:

>

> A lot of women I know wear skirts w/o panties. Others shimmy pants down

in

> chair and then do transfer. I also know women who use a female urinal

> after scooting to the edge of the seat.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I do not think it is me who is rude.

I insist that public toilets should have lifts.

FOR ME I do not accept a medical procedure for lack of accommodation.

I am sure, when the PWD demanded wheelchair accessible bathrooms, they

were said that they are rude and that there are other ways to meet their

needs.

For you, the supra catheter is ok. But you should accept the fact that a

lot of us prefer public accommodation for the things we can do.

Except me, there are other people who want freedom through public toilets

with lifts instead of the supra catheter. Perhaps we are not enough yet. But

it will happen eventually. Actually, at the public toilet of my University

they accepted to put a lift just for me!!! We ask, we win sometimes--maybe

more in the future.

It is really sad if we start calling each other 'rude' when we suggest

another method. (I suggest public toilets with a lift, also I introduce the

idea of real portable lift, and a female urinal design for not

transferring/sitting females.)

I do not know what other people need additionally to the public toilets

with a lift. LET'S HEAR FROM THEM, TOO!!!!

I think freedom of expression is necessary if we want to be true.

In a message dated 3/30/2010 11:03:45 A.M. Central Standard Time,

xx_laura_s_xx@... writes:

You seem rather unhappy we have all gave you our methods to use public

toilets, these may not meet your individual needs however considering you have

been given a few options you may want to think it’s not actually the

toilet that is the issue however it may be your unwillingness to be adaptable

to

situations. I think we can safely say there won’t be many public toilets

which will full meet everyone’s needs however with a little thought and

organisation each of us has looked at this issue and came up with a solution.

Personally with the supra pubic catheter I can independently use a

accessible toilet, it is not due to any medical reasoning out with SMA that I

have

it just that it increases my independence, this may not be your preference

however please don’t ask for advice and then be so rude in response to

people who are trying to help, we all have or are involved with SMA we don’t

need you to reiterate inability’s we all live with them,

however again some of us can deal with them and adapt in ways to address

them, I hope you find a solution that works for you

[Guest guest]

No! I am not agree with all the wonderful answers!!! On the contrary, I am

agree with the fact that mainly women with paralysis who can perfectly

control their blander (i.e. women with sma, polio, cp, etc) have so little

options to use the public toilets. A LIFT CAN MAKE THE DIFFERENCE!!! Yes,

Alana, it is both the law (we must include the need of a lift) and the

designers

of adaptive equipment: not a single urinal for women who are

sitting/cannot transfer!!!! The existing one is for able to move women.

Of course i am not agree with any of you !

I know it is painful for you AND for me to explain why i do not accept the

catheter. (Right now it is the only ''option'' i have other than

dehydrating my self.) On the other hand if i do not explain, my question for

accessible bathrooms for paralyzed women who can perfectly control their

blander

would be not understood.

Ladies and Gentlemen, we must ask for lifts in the bathrooms!

In a message dated 3/30/2010 2:51:13 P.M. Central Standard Time,

alrt@... writes:

You asked how members of the group manage in public restrooms, and some

have done our best to describe what we do. You seem angry at us for doing so.

Is it that you're actually angry at the architects?.You asked how members

of the group manage in public restrooms, and some have done our best to

describe what we do. You seem angry at us for doing so. Is it that you're

actually angry at the architects?.<WBR>..The law?...Designers of adaptive

equipment? I'm sure people i

Alana

[Guest guest]

You asked how members of the group manage in public restrooms, and some have

done our best to describe what we do. You seem angry at us for doing so. Is it

that you're actually angry at the architects?...The law?...Designers of adaptive

equipment? I'm sure people in this group and many others would be interested in

joining you if you wanted to approach designers, etc. about your needs. Maybe

you could start such a dialogue. Please let us know how we can be of support.

Alana

Co-Moderator

> >

> >

> > Transferring for a person who cannot hold head, arms, upper body, is

> > possible if the caregiver had at least a couple of pairs of...arms!

> > The female urinal is made for women who can move/stay to the edge of the

> > seat.

> > Again, the paralyzed female has been excluded.

> >

> > In a message dated 3/29/2010 9:07:12 P.M. Central Standard Time,

> > alrt@ writes:

> >

> > A lot of women I know wear skirts w/o panties. Others shimmy pants down

> in

> > chair and then do transfer. I also know women who use a female urinal

> > after scooting to the edge of the seat.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I have EXACTLY the same problem!!!

The so called " accessible " bathrooms means nothing to us if we do not have

2 people --one to lift and one to undress us.

Unfortunately there are no mini-lifts either. The female urinals are for

able to move [even to stand!!!] women! It is better to use the ... bed pan!

We need lifts in every accessible toilet. We need mini and really

portable lifts. We need urinals for sitting females with a hose to empty it so

that we do not have spills . Well, it seem that we have not spoken up enough

to make our needs known... , we can start it now! I know we are not an

organization but we have the people to do it!

mel

In a message dated 3/30/2010 7:48:22 A.M. Central Standard Time,

Aunt617@... writes:

Going to the bathroom outside of the home is a terrible problem for me. I

need 2 people---one to lift and one to undress me. This problem has made

me

stay closer to home and not stay out too many hours. Bathroom needs rule

my

life! Where are mini-lifts? Why doesn't someone invent that? What are

female urinals??

[Guest guest]

I agree .

We have sooooooo much in common....!

In a message dated 3/30/2010 6:55:49 P.M. Central Standard Time,

alrt@... writes:

I am not asking that you accept our suggestions as the correct options for

you. I am encouraging you to start a campaign to advocate for more

accessible public bathrooms so you and others can use them more independently.

There are probably other people n this group who would join you. Apologies if

you were offended by what I or others shared of our own experiences. Good

luck with whatever path you take. This group is here to support each other,

not fight with each other.

All the best,

Alana

[Guest guest]

I am not asking that you accept our suggestions as the correct options for you.

I am encouraging you to start a campaign to advocate for more accessible public

bathrooms so you and others can use them more independently. There are probably

other people n this group who would join you. Apologies if you were offended by

what I or others shared of our own experiences. Good luck with whatever path

you take. This group is here to support each other, not fight with each other.

All the best,

Alana

[Guest guest]

Melijeff@... wrote on 03/30/10 20:34:

> portable lifts. We need urinals for sitting females with a hose to

> empty it so that we do not have spills .

Below is a 5-yr-old message.

It has not been updated.

Some you may find useful -- some you may not....

***

Compendium of Ways to Pee, etc

This is not an attempt to list the usual urinals or ways to pee (such as

run-of-the-mill leg bags). Rather, this is for those looking for an

alternative. It's not comprehensive... but it's all I found.

Some of these can be used by women whether standing or sitting.

The same for men.

Some are good for standing only.

The same for men.

For someone that is still walking, but has difficulty getting up and own

from the toilet, the stand-only ones can still be an option. If you get

something like this, rails to hang onto either side (such as are added

to toilets) would be a good idea to keep from getting too tired.

For those in that situation, and also with a home of

their own that can be re-plumbed a little, a female version of a urinal

you would find in a men's restroom is also a possibility.

Yes, such a thing exists!

There's even an alternate " time of the month " item, but I have no idea

how well it works.

Guys, there are fewer options short of a catheter, but several of the

items below are also made for men.

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Urinals, Male Urinals, Female Urinals, Spill Proof Urinals : Advantage

Urinal Systems

<http://www.medassisttech.com/>

EEZEEWEE multi-purpose urinal for men and women

<http://www.mouldmed.co.za/ezwad.htm>

Freshette®

<http://www.freshette.com/>

P-mate

<http://www.p-mate.com/eng/product.html>

<http://www.pmate.de>

Magic Cone Disposable urination funnel

<http://www.magic-cone.com/index.htm>

shewee hygienic method of urinating while standing up

Urine funnel for Ladies SheWee she wee

<http://www.shewee.com/>

The Incredibly Easy Pee-Zee

<http://pee-zees.tripod.com/>

Whizzy lets you pee standing up! - female urinary aids for adventurous,

sanitary-minded, or disabled women

<http://whizzy4you.com/>

Welcome to whizaway.com - Home of the Whiz®

<http://www.whizproducts.co.uk/en/>

Female Urination Apparatus - Aids for Women to Pee Standing Up

<http://www.mysweetpee.com/>

Genius Lady - Il prodotto che consente alle donne di fare la pipì in

posizione eretta (Italy)

<http://www.geniuslady.com/>

Genius Lady - The product which allows womens to urinate from a standing

position

<http://www.geniuslady.com/frameeng.htm>

Urinelle - the urination funnel for women

<http://www.urinelle.biz/>

Kant Wate Portable Urinals at Aces Pilot Shop

(still available, but discontinued by manufacturer)

<http://www.acespilotshop.com/pilot-supplies/safety/kant-wate-kw-104-female.htm>

The Female Urinal (site just starting in 2006)

<http://www.femaleurinal.com/>

Travel (disposable, absorbs in a gel)

<http://www.traveljohn.com/>

TravelMate Personal Hygiene Solutions

<http://www.travelmateinfo.com/>

Male AND Female Friendly On-Board Urinal

the Pit Stop On-Board Urinal System (large capactiy)

http://pitstopinfo.com/

http://www.transporttrends.com/mvnforum/mvnforum/viewthread?thread=1253

uribag: Welcome to Van den Burg products (men's and women's versions)

<http://www.uribag.com/>

Youre Able Mobility Aids Uribag female urinal

- handbag size from www.youreableshop.co.uk

<http://www.youreableshop.co.uk/modules/catbuild/files/Uribagfemaleurinalhandbag\

sizeUriBagS.htm>

BackpackGearTest.org - Feminine Hygiene gear test reports

<http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/Personal%20Hygiene/Feminine%20Hygiene/>

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BioDerm Liberty Pouch / External Continence Device

http://www.bioderm-inc.com/index.html

BioDerm Tube Holder

http://www.bioderm-inc.com/tube.htm

BioDerm Liberty Pouch (unusual leg bag system for men)

<http://www.libertypouch.us/index.html>

Quick Drain Valve - (pictured with cross-bar) at AllegroMedical.com

<http://www.allegromedical.com/products/shop-by-category/urologicals-catheters/a\

ccessories/urocare/192436.html>

JB-3 Leg Bag Valve Home Page - Easy Leg Bag Emptying Without Electricity

- Non Electric Leg Bag Valve!

<http://www.jb-3.com/>

Freedom Spring Leg Bag Release System

http://www.wheelsunlimited.com/legbagvalve.html

Welcome to Concept Development Group

developers of the Freedom Flow leg bag valve

<http://conceptdg.com/>

RD Equipment, Inc.

click on Products for electric bag emptiers

<http://www.rdequipment.com/>

Electric Leg Bag Emptier 2 for Power Wheelchairs

<http://www.wheelchairs.com/legbag2.htm>

Freedom Industries - Products for People with Disabilities, mobility

impairments, floor toilets, leg bag, wheelchair, catheter, catheter

release, prostethics, paralyzed, quad, para,spinal cord

injury,mss,toilet,handicap,ada,bathroom,assistive technology,

Bathroom Gem© Floor Toilets

Bathroom Gem © Leg Bag Emptiers

<http://www.freedomprod.com/>

Products Incorporated - HydroFlush Mini

<http://www.richardsonproducts.com/hydroflushmini.html>

SUPERQUADS " Mouth Paintings and Assistive Devises "

<http://www.superquads.com/superquad.html>

Leg Bag Emptier 870-467-5884 electric leg bag valve

<http://www.superquads.com/LegbagEmptier.html>

Hitch-a-Lift 870-467-5884

Carry the top part of a Hoyer lift on a receiver hitch

<http://www.superquads.com/HitchaLift.html>

Electric Leg Bag Emptier

<http://store.integratedrehabsystems.com/ellegbagem.html>

Adaptive Switch Laboratories, Inc. : Catalog - Product Details

ASL Low Voltage Power Leg Bag Emptier

<http://www.asl-inc.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.asp?productid=79>

GO-PEE ELECTRIC LEGBAG EMPTIER

<http://wheelchairparts.net/productCat56532.ctlg>

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The G-Funnel @ BioRelief.com

The G-funnel is ideal for both men and women as a portable urinal

adapter. The G-Funnel simply screws onto any plastic soda or water bottle.

<http://www.biorelief.com/store/G-Funnel.html>

Uriwell® Personal Toilet @ BioRelief.com

(telescopic accordion 750cc pee jug)

The Uriwell® personal toilet is made of a rigid plastic that is

collapsible, and bendable so that it is easy to store and use. The

unisex adapter makes it a easy to use for everyone. Sold in units of 1

each. $8.95

<http://www.biorelief.com/store/uriwell_personal_toilet.html>

TravelMate - Accessory for Females @ BioRelief.com

<http://www.biorelief.com/store/Travel_Mate.html>

The Outback Pack™ @ BioRelief.com

The Outback Pack™ is a strong, double wall, corrugated cardboard

portable toilet. $14.95

<http://www.biorelief.com/store/Outback_Pack_Toilet.html>

Travel™ Foldable Commode Chair @ BioRelief.com

Travel™ Foldable Commode Chair made of steel frame construction.

$29.99

<http://www.biorelief.com/store/Commode-Chair.html>

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Active Mobility (urinals)

<http://www.activemobility.co.uk/shop/default.php?cPath=22_29>

Bridge Saddle Pan

<http://www.activemobility.co.uk/shop/product_info.php?cPath=22_29 & products_id=7\

71 & osCsid=ee4a9fb3bcb17dc56109bd64b7df9083>

Cygnet Female Urinal

<http://www.activemobility.co.uk/shop/product_info.php?cPath=22_29 & products_id=1\

98 & osCsid=ee4a9fb3bcb17dc56109bd64b7df9083>

Drainage Urinal Funnel With Bag (Female)

<http://www.activemobility.co.uk/shop/product_info.php?cPath=22_29 & products_id=9\

74 & osCsid=ee4a9fb3bcb17dc56109bd64b7df9083>

Drainage Urinal Funnel With Bag (Male)

<http://www.activemobility.co.uk/shop/product_info.php?cPath=22_29 & products_id=9\

75 & osCsid=ee4a9fb3bcb17dc56109bd64b7df9083>

Drainage Urinal With Bag (Male)

<http://www.activemobility.co.uk/shop/product_info.php?cPath=22_29 & products_id=9\

73 & osCsid=ee4a9fb3bcb17dc56109bd64b7df9083>

Urifem

<http://www.activemobility.co.uk/shop/product_info.php?cPath=22_29 & products_id=1\

356 & osCsid=ee4a9fb3bcb17dc56109bd64b7df9083>

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Traditional stuff (among zillions):

Amazon.com Health & Personal Care: urinal

(many traditional varieties in one place)

<http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=nb_ss_hpc/102-7894972-3100901?url=search-al\

ias%3Dhpc & field-keywords=urinal & Go.x=15 & Go.y=9 & Go=Go>

Westons Internet Online Catalogue - bathing, toileting, bed & chair,

comfort & dressing, kitchen & dining, household , mobility, moving &

handling

do a search for " urinal " , and you will come up with a few of the above items

<http://www.westons.com/acatalog/index.html>

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" That time "

The DivaCup™

<http://www.divacup.com/>

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For house installation:

GBH Lady-Loo Female Urinal

<http://www.gbhgroup.com.my/saniware/saniware4c.htm>

GBH Lady-Loo - Female Urinal

<http://www.gbhgroup.com.my/SANIWARE/Urinals%20Sanitaryware/framespage/Lady-Loo_\

frame.htm>

NEW & NEU: Urinal & Pissoir für Damen, lavatory for women, (Steh-Pissoir)

<http://www.demiriz.net/demirizsites/md/evpage.html>

Your complete plumbing reference - Handicap Toilets

<http://www.totalplumbingguide.info/Handicap-Toilets/>

urinal - Products for urinal - Manufacturers, Exporters, Suppliers,

Traders, Companies, Factories

<http://urinal.directory.alibaba.com/src=overture & albch=overture & albcp=content_c\

onstruction-real-estate & albkw=urinal-none & albag=product_bath-toilet-appliances_u\

rinal_none & albmt=advanced & albst=content?OVRAW=urinal & OVKEY=urinal & OVMTC=standard\

>

Ceramica Catalano srl

product > thun > system girly > girly

<http://www.catalano.it/english/index.htm>

Girly.jpg (JPEG Image, 827x1169 pixels)

<http://www.catalano.it/english/Thun/SistemaGirly/schede/Girly.jpg>

GIRLY | Dexigner

<http://www.dexigner.com/product/gallery-g350.html>

The " Psychological " Experience When a woman has to use the toilet in a

social environment, it is more often than not a tedious and

uncomfortable experience for several reasons:

<http://www.sierpnica.republika.pl/sphinx.htm>

Bunse Haustechnik - Das Lady P.

<http://www.bunsehaustechnik.de/lady.htm>

BIDET - Badratgeber.de - Ihr Informationsportal zum Thema Bad

<http://www.badratgeber.de/baden-duschen/ausstattung/urinal/urinal.php>

Lady P.

<http://www.lachenit.de/LadyP.htm>

Koninklijke Sphinx (makas the Lady P., but I can't find it on the site)

<http://www.sphinx.nl/>