Re: Dog vaccine question

[Guest guest]

Debi,

I don't know where you live, but here in Texas we now have holistic veterinarians. See if you can find one in your area and consult a holistic vet.

We are not only over vaccinating our children, but I believe, our animals, too.

I have horses and they really push the West Nile Virus vaccine here. A few years ago I was frightened into giving it and I had one horse go down hill afterward. She lost all muscle mass along her spine and developed neurological problems. She was a young horse and had to be put down. That same year, my neighbor lost one of hers after giving the vaccine.

The next year, we were pressured into it again and all my horses developed COPD like symptoms for the whole summer to such an extent that I had to cancel lessons because my horses weren't breathing well enough to be ridden! My neighbor lost another horse, too. So I do not give that vaccine any more as the vet refused to report these incidences to Fort Dodge and other proper agencies. If no one reports adverse events, then of course they get to say it is safe.

I did not give the vaccine last year and all my horses recovered from the COPD-like symptoms.

I doubt I will give that one again. However, I have been giving the VEWT(covers encephalitis and tetanus) for thirty years with no noticeable adverse reactions, so I still give that one each year, and I give a rabies shot about every three years.

They try to fear us into giving shots for influenza and pneumobort K to pregnant mares but I have never done that and have had no problems.

You have to weigh the risks against the benefits. If your dog is going to be around other dogs, if you are taking him out with you a lot...

A holistic vet can help you make the right choices for your pet.

Haven

[Guest guest]

Sorry to butt in here, but myself, my husband, and both of my sons have had the

west nile

virus, and it is not as bad as everyone is making it out to be. I wouldn't want

to do it over

again (about three months of illness) but we lived through it with minimal

consequence, so

I would never vaccinate my dogs or pets against it.

[Guest guest]

Hi Debbie. Several things.

First, if you don't already have it, get this book - the Golden Bridge

- about training dogs for ASD kids.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/155753408X/104-2782144-5737505?v=glance & n=283155

http://www.northstardogs.com/books.shtml

second, the main shot that dogs get is like 4 shots. It comes

in a vial that is a powder and gets mixed with one shot that is a liquid.

That liquid shot contains thimerosal. You can ask that they liquefy the shot

with saline instead.

And remember that there is a 1-year and a 3-year rabies

vaccine. They are NOT supposed to give your puppy a 3-year

vaccine!!! And when he's ready for his 2nd rabies, make sure they don't

give him a 3-year vaccine every year!!! They do it all the time and

people don't know any better.

And remember, only large-breed puppy food for

him.

Holly, mom to TWO insane labs to be trained as service dogs

for my son.

Dog vaccine question

I just purchased a AKC golden retriever to raise & train for a

service

dog for Allie. My first question is do dog vaccines indeed have

thimerosal in them now? My second question is should I follow the

typical vaccine routine? I just read the following regarding parvo,

one I'm greatly concerned about as it plagues our area and I'm taking

her everywhere:

Parvovirus

Parvovirus is probably the most common viral illness of

dogs at the present time. It is much more common in puppies than it is

in adult dogs. It can be very hard to successfully vaccinate a puppy

for this disease because the antibody protection the puppy acquires

from its mother can interfere with vaccination. It is important to

vaccinate puppies every three to four weeks for this virus starting at

6 weeks of age and continuing until they are at least 16 weeks of age

and preferably 20 weeks of age. It is possible that this vaccine

confers lifelong immunity once it does work but most veterinarians

continue to recommend yearly vaccination for it. It seems prudent to

at least get the vaccination at one year of age. Since it is combined

with the other vaccines it is often easier just to give it yearly with

them.

The lingo used above sounds suspiciously familiar, I don't want to

hurt this dog, she cost lots of money and we're already falling in

love with her. She had a shot at 6 wks, she's 8 wks old today. In

reading about dog vaccines, it sounds that the canine vaccine program

is even in more chaos than the human program, if that was possible. At

the same time, I wanna make sure we have her covered, esp when time

comes to allow her in school.

TIA,

Debi

[Guest guest]

We recently acquired a lab mix puppy and we already have an adult Blue

Heeler. I let the puppy get the required rabies vaccine but refused

all the others. (it was a 1 year shot) I refused the other vaccines

including a 4-in-1 shot. The vet had no idea about thimerosal or

other additives and it was a mobile clinic so he didn't have much with

him including no inserts to read. He did tell me that the puppy

needed a Hepatitis vaccine. WHAT????? Why are dogs at risk for

Hepatitis now? This is ridiculous.

I'm planning to arm myself with a natural health book for Dogs

(homeopathy and other things) and will use a holistic vet if we have

problems. I will probably do the rabies vaccine occasionally just to

keep legal because we go camping a lot and I will have to prove he has

been vaccinated if asked.

I also use Advantix for fleas, ticks, and mosquitos. I doubt it's

that good for him but here in Texas, it works really good against

fleas and ticks.

I have only owned two other dogs in my life and they both lived to be

over 15 years old. (one was a full bred beagle, the other a mutt) We

never vaccinated much accept the usual puppy shots and yearly rabies.

(they probably didn't get yearly rabies... maybe like every 18

months or 2 years) That's why I haven't owned many dogs, because my

dogs have lived for so long while my friends dogs were dying of lupus,

cancer, and whatever else weird animal illnesses they got. The only

trouble we ever had with a pet was a cat that we allowed to be

vaccinated against feline leukemia which promptly died of the disease

within 3 months of the shot.

My advice: stay out of the vets office.

~ Karin

[Guest guest]

Debi,

My husband is a vet, although he works with the cows most of the time. He

says that you can get thimerosal-free dog vaccines, so you should probably

ask and check labels, etc. The stuff is NOT out of all animal vaccines,

contrary to what people think, but you can get alternatives.

Barb

Dog vaccine question

>I just purchased a AKC golden retriever to raise & train for a service

> dog for Allie. My first question is do dog vaccines indeed have

> thimerosal in them now? My second question is should I follow the

> typical vaccine routine? I just read the following regarding parvo,

> one I'm greatly concerned about as it plagues our area and I'm taking

> her everywhere:

>

> Parvovirus

>

> Parvovirus is probably the most common viral illness of

> dogs at the present time. It is much more common in puppies than it is

> in adult dogs. It can be very hard to successfully vaccinate a puppy

> for this disease because the antibody protection the puppy acquires

> from its mother can interfere with vaccination. It is important to

> vaccinate puppies every three to four weeks for this virus starting at

> 6 weeks of age and continuing until they are at least 16 weeks of age

> and preferably 20 weeks of age. It is possible that this vaccine

> confers lifelong immunity once it does work but most veterinarians

> continue to recommend yearly vaccination for it. It seems prudent to

> at least get the vaccination at one year of age. Since it is combined

> with the other vaccines it is often easier just to give it yearly with

> them.

>

> The lingo used above sounds suspiciously familiar, I don't want to

> hurt this dog, she cost lots of money and we're already falling in

> love with her. She had a shot at 6 wks, she's 8 wks old today. In

> reading about dog vaccines, it sounds that the canine vaccine program

> is even in more chaos than the human program, if that was possible. At

> the same time, I wanna make sure we have her covered, esp when time

> comes to allow her in school.

>

> TIA,

> Debi

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Debi,

You might try the group TruthAboutVaccines for general and

specific info about canine vaccination. They have very strong

opinions against vacs but you may find the hard info in the files and

links that you need to make an informed decision.

I got my 2 year old service dog at the end of January...he was due

for his next round of vacs. For many of the animals, lifetime

immunity is conferred from the initial puppy shots (animals

challenged exhibited immunity 13 years after receiving only puppy

shots) and I therefore decided to forego the annual boosters. I

concentrate on feeding him an appropriate diet.

I did a little searching for thimerosal free vaccines initially.

Merial (a subsidiary of Merck) produces a thimerosal free rabies

called IMRAB3TF. They also produce a thimerosal free Recombitek-C4

or -C3 (for distemper and parvo) which is a " recombinant " vaccine and

uses gentamicin as a preservative. I couldn't advise you on the

toxicity of gentamicin as a vaccine preservative, but used

intraveneously as an antibiotic it can cause permanent upper ear

hearing loss. There is not always an option of getting thimerosal

free vacs in practice; the vets I spoke to tend to order in bulk and

source the thimerosal version because it is less expensive. I was

apparently the first to request thimerosal free in my locale. I was

given the option of finding a nearby vet who would sell one vaccine

to the local practice. That was as far as I got with my research.

Many people prefer to check the dogs annually for " titres " which

reflect immunity (@$60-75) instead of giving unnecessary boosters.

There are many sites for holistic animal care and likely there

is someone on these sites who can direct you to a good local holistic

veterinary practitioner.

IMO, take the time to find someone you like and trust and who gives

you many sides to the picture. Vaccinate singly and sparingly, if

possible. Look into good nutrition for your dog; examine the content

of his food (my dog refused to eat the vet recommended kibble) and

make an informed choice.

Best of luck...dogs are such a wonderful addition!!!

Randi

>

> I just purchased a AKC golden retriever to raise & train for a

service

> dog for Allie. My first question is do dog vaccines indeed have

> thimerosal in them now? My second question is should I follow the

> typical vaccine routine? I just read the following regarding parvo,

> one I'm greatly concerned about as it plagues our area and I'm

taking

> her everywhere:

>

> Parvovirus

>

> Parvovirus is probably the most common viral illness

of

> dogs at the present time. It is much more common in puppies than it

is

> in adult dogs. It can be very hard to successfully vaccinate a puppy

> for this disease because the antibody protection the puppy acquires

> from its mother can interfere with vaccination. It is important to

> vaccinate puppies every three to four weeks for this virus starting

at

> 6 weeks of age and continuing until they are at least 16 weeks of

age

> and preferably 20 weeks of age. It is possible that this vaccine

> confers lifelong immunity once it does work but most veterinarians

> continue to recommend yearly vaccination for it. It seems prudent to

> at least get the vaccination at one year of age. Since it is

combined

> with the other vaccines it is often easier just to give it yearly

with

> them.

>

> The lingo used above sounds suspiciously familiar, I don't want to

> hurt this dog, she cost lots of money and we're already falling in

> love with her. She had a shot at 6 wks, she's 8 wks old today. In

> reading about dog vaccines, it sounds that the canine vaccine

program

> is even in more chaos than the human program, if that was possible.

At

> the same time, I wanna make sure we have her covered, esp when time

> comes to allow her in school.

>

> TIA,

> Debi

>

[Guest guest]

is a really interesting woman. Met her on the plane out of Detroit enroute Washington and the 3rd Annual International Conference on Vaccination hosted by NVIC (Nov. 2002). I leaned over the seat to talk to a man who was reading an article about the California autism rates increasing... was across the isle...we ended up having dinner in Washington.

I do the rabbi - nothing else.

Vaccine Guidefor Dogs and CatsWhat Every Pet LoverShould Know

By J. M. Diodati, MA http://thinktwice.com/ani.htm

Animal Diseases:A New Look at the Vaccine Question

By H. Pitcairn, DVM, PhD http://thinktwice.com/animal.htm

-----Original Message-----From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ]On Behalf Of woknwoll4everSent: Friday, April 28, 2006 12:23 PMEOHarm Subject: Re: Dog vaccine questionDear Debi,You might try the group TruthAboutVaccines for general and specific info about canine vaccination. They have very strong opinions against vacs but you may find the hard info in the files and links that you need to make an informed decision.I got my 2 year old service dog at the end of January...he was due for his next round of vacs. For many of the animals, lifetime immunity is conferred from the initial puppy shots (animals challenged exhibited immunity 13 years after receiving only puppy shots) and I therefore decided to forego the annual boosters. I concentrate on feeding him an appropriate diet.I did a little searching for thimerosal free vaccines initially. Merial (a subsidiary of Merck) produces a thimerosal free rabies called IMRAB3TF. They also produce a thimerosal free Recombitek-C4 or -C3 (for distemper and parvo) which is a "recombinant" vaccine and uses gentamicin as a preservative. I couldn't advise you on the toxicity of gentamicin as a vaccine preservative, but used intraveneously as an antibiotic it can cause permanent upper ear hearing loss. There is not always an option of getting thimerosal free vacs in practice; the vets I spoke to tend to order in bulk and source the thimerosal version because it is less expensive. I was apparently the first to request thimerosal free in my locale. I was given the option of finding a nearby vet who would sell one vaccine to the local practice. That was as far as I got with my research.Many people prefer to check the dogs annually for "titres" which reflect immunity (@$60-75) instead of giving unnecessary boosters.There are many sites for holistic animal care and likely there is someone on these sites who can direct you to a good local holistic veterinary practitioner.IMO, take the time to find someone you like and trust and who gives you many sides to the picture. Vaccinate singly and sparingly, if possible. Look into good nutrition for your dog; examine the content of his food (my dog refused to eat the vet recommended kibble) and make an informed choice.Best of luck...dogs are such a wonderful addition!!!Randi>> I just purchased a AKC golden retriever to raise & train for a service> dog for Allie. My first question is do dog vaccines indeed have> thimerosal in them now? My second question is should I follow the> typical vaccine routine? I just read the following regarding parvo,> one I'm greatly concerned about as it plagues our area and I'm taking> her everywhere:> > Parvovirus> > Parvovirus is probably the most common viral illness of> dogs at the present time. It is much more common in puppies than it is> in adult dogs. It can be very hard to successfully vaccinate a puppy> for this disease because the antibody protection the puppy acquires> from its mother can interfere with vaccination. It is important to> vaccinate puppies every three to four weeks for this virus starting at> 6 weeks of age and continuing until they are at least 16 weeks of age> and preferably 20 weeks of age. It is possible that this vaccine> confers lifelong immunity once it does work but most veterinarians> continue to recommend yearly vaccination for it. It seems prudent to> at least get the vaccination at one year of age. Since it is combined> with the other vaccines it is often easier just to give it yearly with> them. > > The lingo used above sounds suspiciously familiar, I don't want to> hurt this dog, she cost lots of money and we're already falling in> love with her. She had a shot at 6 wks, she's 8 wks old today. In> reading about dog vaccines, it sounds that the canine vaccine program> is even in more chaos than the human program, if that was possible. At> the same time, I wanna make sure we have her covered, esp when time> comes to allow her in school.> > TIA,> Debi>

[Guest guest]

Er, I think you meant rabies.

Come to think of it, that brings up my personal add...

RE: Re: Dog vaccine question

is a really interesting woman. Met her on the plane out of Detroit enroute Washington and the 3rd Annual International Conference on Vaccination hosted by NVIC (Nov. 2002). I leaned over the seat to talk to a man who was reading an article about the California autism rates increasing... was across the isle...we ended up having dinner in Washington.

I do the rabbi - nothing else.

Vaccine Guidefor Dogs and CatsWhat Every Pet LoverShould Know

By J. M. Diodati, MA http://thinktwice.com/ani.htm

Animal Diseases:A New Look at the Vaccine Question

By H. Pitcairn, DVM, PhD http://thinktwice.com/animal.htm

-----Original Message-----From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ]On Behalf Of woknwoll4everSent: Friday, April 28, 2006 12:23 PMEOHarm Subject: Re: Dog vaccine questionDear Debi,You might try the group TruthAboutVaccines for general and specific info about canine vaccination. They have very strong opinions against vacs but you may find the hard info in the files and links that you need to make an informed decision.I got my 2 year old service dog at the end of January...he was due for his next round of vacs. For many of the animals, lifetime immunity is conferred from the initial puppy shots (animals challenged exhibited immunity 13 years after receiving only puppy shots) and I therefore decided to forego the annual boosters. I concentrate on feeding him an appropriate diet.I did a little searching for thimerosal free vaccines initially. Merial (a subsidiary of Merck) produces a thimerosal free rabies called IMRAB3TF. They also produce a thimerosal free Recombitek-C4 or -C3 (for distemper and parvo) which is a "recombinant" vaccine and uses gentamicin as a preservative. I couldn't advise you on the toxicity of gentamicin as a vaccine preservative, but used intraveneously as an antibiotic it can cause permanent upper ear hearing loss. There is not always an option of getting thimerosal free vacs in practice; the vets I spoke to tend to order in bulk and source the thimerosal version because it is less expensive. I was apparently the first to request thimerosal free in my locale. I was given the option of finding a nearby vet who would sell one vaccine to the local practice. That was as far as I got with my research.Many people prefer to check the dogs annually for "titres" which reflect immunity (@$60-75) instead of giving unnecessary boosters.There are many sites for holistic animal care and likely there is someone on these sites who can direct you to a good local holistic veterinary practitioner.IMO, take the time to find someone you like and trust and who gives you many sides to the picture. Vaccinate singly and sparingly, if possible. Look into good nutrition for your dog; examine the content of his food (my dog refused to eat the vet recommended kibble) and make an informed choice.Best of luck...dogs are such a wonderful addition!!!Randi>> I just purchased a AKC golden retriever to raise & train for a service> dog for Allie. My first question is do dog vaccines indeed have> thimerosal in them now? My second question is should I follow the> typical vaccine routine? I just read the following regarding parvo,> one I'm greatly concerned about as it plagues our area and I'm taking> her everywhere:> > Parvovirus> > Parvovirus is probably the most common viral illness of> dogs at the present time. It is much more common in puppies than it is> in adult dogs. It can be very hard to successfully vaccinate a puppy> for this disease because the antibody protection the puppy acquires> from its mother can interfere with vaccination. It is important to> vaccinate puppies every three to four weeks for this virus starting at> 6 weeks of age and continuing until they are at least 16 weeks of age> and preferably 20 weeks of age. It is possible that this vaccine> confers lifelong immunity once it does work but most veterinarians> continue to recommend yearly vaccination for it. It seems prudent to> at least get the vaccination at one year of age. Since it is combined> with the other vaccines it is often easier just to give it yearly with> them. > > The lingo used above sounds suspiciously familiar, I don't want to> hurt this dog, she cost lots of money and we're already falling in> love with her. She had a shot at 6 wks, she's 8 wks old today. In> reading about dog vaccines, it sounds that the canine vaccine program> is even in more chaos than the human program, if that was possible. At> the same time, I wanna make sure we have her covered, esp when time> comes to allow her in school.> > TIA,> Debi>

[Guest guest]

Oh make me laugh. It is Friday, yes?

About the personal ad...it's because you're a man who listens.....

Think this is bad now?

Wait until the Frist/Hillary bill gets put into law putting a chip in your body with mandated testing for mental health.

Anyone for a prozac milkshake?

Peace;

-----Original Message-----From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ]On Behalf Of H Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 2:11 PMEOHarm Subject: Re: Re: Dog vaccine question

Er, I think you meant rabies.

Come to think of it, that brings up my personal add...

RE: Re: Dog vaccine question

is a really interesting woman. Met her on the plane out of Detroit enroute Washington and the 3rd Annual International Conference on Vaccination hosted by NVIC (Nov. 2002). I leaned over the seat to talk to a man who was reading an article about the California autism rates increasing... was across the isle...we ended up having dinner in Washington.

I do the rabbi - nothing else.

Vaccine Guidefor Dogs and CatsWhat Every Pet LoverShould Know

By J. M. Diodati, MA http://thinktwice.com/ani.htm

Animal Diseases:A New Look at the Vaccine Question

By H. Pitcairn, DVM, PhD http://thinktwice.com/animal.htm

-----Original Message-----From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ]On Behalf Of woknwoll4everSent: Friday, April 28, 2006 12:23 PMEOHarm Subject: Re: Dog vaccine questionDear Debi,You might try the group TruthAboutVaccines for general and specific info about canine vaccination. They have very strong opinions against vacs but you may find the hard info in the files and links that you need to make an informed decision.I got my 2 year old service dog at the end of January...he was due for his next round of vacs. For many of the animals, lifetime immunity is conferred from the initial puppy shots (animals challenged exhibited immunity 13 years after receiving only puppy shots) and I therefore decided to forego the annual boosters. I concentrate on feeding him an appropriate diet.I did a little searching for thimerosal free vaccines initially. Merial (a subsidiary of Merck) produces a thimerosal free rabies called IMRAB3TF. They also produce a thimerosal free Recombitek-C4 or -C3 (for distemper and parvo) which is a "recombinant" vaccine and uses gentamicin as a preservative. I couldn't advise you on the toxicity of gentamicin as a vaccine preservative, but used intraveneously as an antibiotic it can cause permanent upper ear hearing loss. There is not always an option of getting thimerosal free vacs in practice; the vets I spoke to tend to order in bulk and source the thimerosal version because it is less expensive. I was apparently the first to request thimerosal free in my locale. I was given the option of finding a nearby vet who would sell one vaccine to the local practice. That was as far as I got with my research.Many people prefer to check the dogs annually for "titres" which reflect immunity (@$60-75) instead of giving unnecessary boosters.There are many sites for holistic animal care and likely there is someone on these sites who can direct you to a good local holistic veterinary practitioner.IMO, take the time to find someone you like and trust and who gives you many sides to the picture. Vaccinate singly and sparingly, if possible. Look into good nutrition for your dog; examine the content of his food (my dog refused to eat the vet recommended kibble) and make an informed choice.Best of luck...dogs are such a wonderful addition!!!Randi>> I just purchased a AKC golden retriever to raise & train for a service> dog for Allie. My first question is do dog vaccines indeed have> thimerosal in them now? My second question is should I follow the> typical vaccine routine? I just read the following regarding parvo,> one I'm greatly concerned about as it plagues our area and I'm taking> her everywhere:> > Parvovirus> > Parvovirus is probably the most common viral illness of> dogs at the present time. It is much more common in puppies than it is> in adult dogs. It can be very hard to successfully vaccinate a puppy> for this disease because the antibody protection the puppy acquires> from its mother can interfere with vaccination. It is important to> vaccinate puppies every three to four weeks for this virus starting at> 6 weeks of age and continuing until they are at least 16 weeks of age> and preferably 20 weeks of age. It is possible that this vaccine> confers lifelong immunity once it does work but most veterinarians> continue to recommend yearly vaccination for it. It seems prudent to> at least get the vaccination at one year of age. Since it is combined> with the other vaccines it is often easier just to give it yearly with> them. > > The lingo used above sounds suspiciously familiar, I don't want to> hurt this dog, she cost lots of money and we're already falling in> love with her. She had a shot at 6 wks, she's 8 wks old today. In> reading about dog vaccines, it sounds that the canine vaccine program> is even in more chaos than the human program, if that was possible. At> the same time, I wanna make sure we have her covered, esp when time> comes to allow her in school.> > TIA,> Debi>

[Guest guest]

May I ask why you don't do parvo? Is it in your area? I've seen dogs

here die from it, they essentially explode from the inside out,

extremely tragic.

Debi

> >

> > I just purchased a AKC golden retriever to raise & train for a

> service

> > dog for Allie. My first question is do dog vaccines indeed have

> > thimerosal in them now? My second question is should I follow the

> > typical vaccine routine? I just read the following regarding parvo,

> > one I'm greatly concerned about as it plagues our area and I'm

> taking

> > her everywhere:

> >

> > Parvovirus

> >

> > Parvovirus is probably the most common viral illness

> of

> > dogs at the present time. It is much more common in puppies than it

> is

> > in adult dogs. It can be very hard to successfully vaccinate a puppy

> > for this disease because the antibody protection the puppy acquires

> > from its mother can interfere with vaccination. It is important to

> > vaccinate puppies every three to four weeks for this virus starting

> at

> > 6 weeks of age and continuing until they are at least 16 weeks of

> age

> > and preferably 20 weeks of age. It is possible that this vaccine

> > confers lifelong immunity once it does work but most veterinarians

> > continue to recommend yearly vaccination for it. It seems prudent to

> > at least get the vaccination at one year of age. Since it is

> combined

> > with the other vaccines it is often easier just to give it yearly

> with

> > them.

> >

> > The lingo used above sounds suspiciously familiar, I don't want to

> > hurt this dog, she cost lots of money and we're already falling in

> > love with her. She had a shot at 6 wks, she's 8 wks old today. In

> > reading about dog vaccines, it sounds that the canine vaccine

> program

> > is even in more chaos than the human program, if that was possible.

> At

> > the same time, I wanna make sure we have her covered, esp when time

> > comes to allow her in school.

> >

> > TIA,

> > Debi

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>