Re: Sleeping Pill May Reverse Comatose Patients, Study Says

[Guest guest]

And this story may revive a comatose president. Interesting timing

to bring the Terry Schiavo name to the media again along with gay

marriage. Just in time for election. Hey, your gas is $3.25 a

gallon, you have no healthcare, your job is being handled by Sahib

in Bombay and your kids can't read and you just got nuked by Iran,

but take heart! The two gay guys next door died single, not

married. AMEN!

Gee, maybe I should go get some coffee.

>

> Sleeping Pill May Reverse Comatose Patients, Study Says

>

> By Dawn Rizzoni

>

> Jun 2, 2006

>

> (CNSNews.com) - Scientific researchers have revealed in the medical

> journal NeuroRehabilitation that a commonly-used sleeping pill,

> zolpidem (brand name Ambien), can be used to temporarily awaken

> patients in a persistent vegetative state (PVS), coma, or other

> brain-injured state.

>

> The discovery has attracted the interest of The Terri

> Schindler-Schiavo Foundation for Health Care Ethics. The Foundation

> was named in memory of the brain-damaged Florida woman who died in

> March 2005 after her husband Schiavo won a long legal

battle

> to cut off her off from all nutrition.

>

> In light of the medical breakthrough, The Schindler-Schiavo

Foundation

> has called for a moratorium of " ordinary care removal for persons

> diagnosed in a PVS condition. " Terri's parents and siblings do not

> believe Schiavo would have allowed her to be administered

the

> Ambien even if it had been suggested.

>

> " Sadly, we will never know if any of these drugs or treatments that

> were available would have improved Terri's condition, " the

Schindler

> family stated in their press release. " Terri's family pleaded for

> years with Terri's guardian, Schiavo, and the courts to try

> and use different treatments of medicine that could possibly help

> improve Terri's condition, but were denied. "

>

> Doctors R.P. Clauss and W.H. Nel reported that the stimulation

effects

> of zolpidem reverse the damaging effects in brain injured

patients, to

> the point that they are able to wake up and interact with their

> environment. The benefits were maintained as long as the drug

stayed

> in a patient's system, according to Clauss and Nel.

>

> The drug was given daily to patients in the study which lasted six

> years. Each patient had been in a PVS for at least three years.

>

> The discovery that zolpidem had such promising effects came about

when

> Dr. Clauss gave a PVS patient the drug for restlessness. The drug,

> which normally induces sleepiness, also has an arousing effect on

> certain areas of the brain, the Clauss/Nel report indicates.

>

> After being given zolpidem, the patients in the study

could " interact,

> make jokes, and speak on the phone, " Clauss stated in the journal,

and

> one patient even played catch with his family.

>

> Drake, research analyst for the pro-disabilities group Not

> Dead Yet, said it's not that zolpidem helped PVS patients, but that

> " misdiagnosis is the real issue. "

>

> " We put out a moratorium (on removal of ordinary care in PVS

patients)

> a year ago, " Drake said. " Persistent Vegetative State should

really be

> called Persistent Non-Responsive State because that's all we can

tell

> from the outside. There's no way to really know at the present

time "

> whether someone is truly PVS or temporarily non-responsive.

>

> " There's so much evidence that we're making mistakes " in these PVS

> diagnoses, Drake said. " So to us, (the zolpidem news) is

interesting,

> but it doesn't change anything. "

>

> The Schindler family members also touched on the misdiagnosis

issue in

> their press release.

>

> " A report released by the British Medical Journal in 1996 found

that

> 43 percent of the diagnosed cases of PVS they studied were in fact

> misdiagnosed, " the statement reads. " We at the Foundation are

seeing

> that the PVS diagnosis is being commonly misdiagnosed.

Consequently,

> it has become very obvious we don't know enough about this so-

called

> diagnosis, and common sense dictates that the removal of food and

> water based on this misclassification must end until further

studies

> can be conducted. "

>

> Bobby Schindler, Terri's brother, told Cybercast News Service that

he

> believes " the PVS diagnosis is a very subjective diagnosis. "

>

> " It is now being used in most states as one of the criteria to

allow

> doctors to recommend terminating life. We are seeing a growing

amount

> of evidence that suggests that the PVS diagnosis is often being

> misdiagnosed. And now there are certain drugs that could provide

help

> to persons that are being labeled as PVS, " Schindler said.

>

> Other drugs have been successfully used in the past to help PVS

> patients. In December 2000, White Bull awoke after 16

years

> of what doctors called a persistent vegetative state, after being

> given the drug Amantadine. The drug is commonly used to stimulate

> individuals with Parkinson's disease and brain damage.

>

> The pharmaceutical group NeuroHealing was just granted " orphan drug

> status " by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) on a drug labeled

> NH001 that worked much like Ambien in PVS and comatose patients,

but

> with longer-lasting effects, according to the company's president,

> Katzman.

>

> " With the growing amount of uncertainly regarding this diagnosis,

and

> drugs that could potentially help, it is only common sense we stop

> using it, particularly when the decision to terminate life can't be

> undone, " Bobby Schindler said.

>

> Schiavo's political group TerriPAC did not respond to

requests

> for comment, nor did the pro-euthanasia group Death With Dignity.

>

>

>

> Subscribe to the free CNSNews.com daily E-Brief.

>

[Guest guest]

Good assessment of today's America Kim!

But they got Al- Zarqawi. That was pretty convenient timing, don't

you think?

>

> And this story may revive a comatose president. Interesting timing

> to bring the Terry Schiavo name to the media again along with gay

> marriage. Just in time for election. Hey, your gas is $3.25 a

> gallon, you have no healthcare, your job is being handled by Sahib

> in Bombay and your kids can't read and you just got nuked by Iran,

> but take heart! The two gay guys next door died single, not

> married. AMEN!

>

> Gee, maybe I should go get some coffee.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't mean to be so political on an autism board -- but the gall

of bringing out these hot button issues while our men and women DIE

in Iraq just saddens me. American is going to hell in a handbasket

and it has NOTHING to do with whether to men get married. For

crying out loud, if you are dead serious about protecting the

sanctity of marriage then first OUTLAW divorce.

Then I'll know you're serious. And for the religious right, who are

primarily Protestants, who a couple of hundred years ago, split off

of the Catholic Church so that the King would get a divorce, I find

the whole topic profoundly ironic.

For God's sake let's take care of our servicemen and women, protect

them, train them, support them and ultimately get them home. I'm a

split voter call me " bi " -- sometimes R sometimes D. I have found

myself voting more in the " D " column since my autistic kids came

along, I'll tell you that much.

(PS) Can you think of a better way to stop gay sex than by ALLOWING

marriage??? Think about it. LOL!

[Guest guest]

Ha! The day we stop being depending on the Middle East for oil is

the day the terrorists go BROKE and we're safe again. By the way,

keep your ears out for those color coded terror alerts -- they'll be

back in time for the November vote. Pretend it's the sirens call,

block your ears, vote with your heart and brain for your kids, my

kids, which ever candidate that means, D or R. Neither is the

devil not the second coming.

KS

OK, off my soapbox, time to scrub a couple of toilets.

> >

> > And this story may revive a comatose president. Interesting

timing

> > to bring the Terry Schiavo name to the media again along with

gay

> > marriage. Just in time for election. Hey, your gas is $3.25 a

> > gallon, you have no healthcare, your job is being handled by

Sahib

> > in Bombay and your kids can't read and you just got nuked by

Iran,

> > but take heart! The two gay guys next door died single, not

> > married. AMEN!

> >

> > Gee, maybe I should go get some coffee.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Funny how meds like Ambien work. Didn't Kennedy say he had

taken that and he was so disoriented that he got up and drove his

car, and subsequently wrecked it at the capitol a few months back?

Not only did he report this, but it is happening to many people who

take it. They are literally driving in their sleep!

Must be paradoxical in it's effects.

Those awake it puts them too asleep, and those in a comatose state

it awakens them.

As far as GW is concerned, there is no help for that man!

>

> I don't think anything could awaken this moron. Does everyone

know that the

> house passed budget yesterday cutting PBS, new teachers, drug

treatment

> programs, etc. All to pay for the estate tax cut. I'm going to

have to be

> taken to the hospital for dehydration considering I've been

throwing up

> since 2000. -

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On

Behalf Of

> krstagliano

> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 8:36 AM

> EOHarm

> Subject: Re: Sleeping Pill May Reverse Comatose Patients,

Study

> Says

>

>

>

> And this story may revive a comatose president. Interesting timing

> to bring the Terry Schiavo name to the media again along with gay

> marriage. Just in time for election. Hey, your gas is $3.25 a

> gallon, you have no healthcare, your job is being handled by Sahib

> in Bombay and your kids can't read and you just got nuked by Iran,

> but take heart! The two gay guys next door died single, not

> married. AMEN!

>

> Gee, maybe I should go get some coffee.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm the first one to disagree with how our tax dollars are spent. But,

PBS has long since been able to stand on its own feet. For crying out

loud, how many of us own Sesame Street merchandise? PBS made them. And

they aren't nonbiased. They do offer some great programming, but they

aren't the wonder they like to think of themselves, and they have

plenty of programs they could collect. Barney, Clifford, Sesame Street

all line the walls of Toys R Us.

As to the estate tax, I hope it never returns. My grandmother bought

her 100 farm with a 2 room log cabin, smoke house and barn in 1943.

She paid a whopping $2700. Most of that money came from her

grandparents' will when they died. My grandmother died in 1999 with

her property valued at $200,000. She had little savings and largely

depended on social security. The farm has very special meaning for our

family, especially that my father died when I was a little girl. This

was the one place I could feel close to him. Thankfully, because it

wasn't at the threshold of the estate tax, we have been able to keep

the farm in the shrinking family that is my uncle and myself. When he

dies, if he were to choose to leave the farm to me, the land just

might be over the estate tax threshold (should it return) and there

would be no way I could keep it.

The estate tax isn't " for the rich " , though they do benefit. Besides,

I'm not one who thinks rich people should get it all taken away

because they worked hard enough or had some lucky breaks.

Debi

> >

> > Sleeping Pill May Reverse Comatose Patients, Study Says

> >

> > By Dawn Rizzoni

> >

> > Jun 2, 2006

> >

> > (CNSNews.com) - Scientific researchers have revealed in the medical

> > journal NeuroRehabilitation that a commonly-used sleeping pill,

> > zolpidem (brand name Ambien), can be used to temporarily awaken

> > patients in a persistent vegetative state (PVS), coma, or other

> > brain-injured state.

> >

> > The discovery has attracted the interest of The Terri

> > Schindler-Schiavo Foundation for Health Care Ethics. The Foundation

> > was named in memory of the brain-damaged Florida woman who died in

> > March 2005 after her husband Schiavo won a long legal

> battle

> > to cut off her off from all nutrition.

> >

> > In light of the medical breakthrough, The Schindler-Schiavo

> Foundation

> > has called for a moratorium of " ordinary care removal for persons

> > diagnosed in a PVS condition. " Terri's parents and siblings do not

> > believe Schiavo would have allowed her to be administered

> the

> > Ambien even if it had been suggested.

> >

> > " Sadly, we will never know if any of these drugs or treatments that

> > were available would have improved Terri's condition, " the

> Schindler

> > family stated in their press release. " Terri's family pleaded for

> > years with Terri's guardian, Schiavo, and the courts to try

> > and use different treatments of medicine that could possibly help

> > improve Terri's condition, but were denied. "

> >

> > Doctors R.P. Clauss and W.H. Nel reported that the stimulation

> effects

> > of zolpidem reverse the damaging effects in brain injured

> patients, to

> > the point that they are able to wake up and interact with their

> > environment. The benefits were maintained as long as the drug

> stayed

> > in a patient's system, according to Clauss and Nel.

> >

> > The drug was given daily to patients in the study which lasted six

> > years. Each patient had been in a PVS for at least three years.

> >

> > The discovery that zolpidem had such promising effects came about

> when

> > Dr. Clauss gave a PVS patient the drug for restlessness. The drug,

> > which normally induces sleepiness, also has an arousing effect on

> > certain areas of the brain, the Clauss/Nel report indicates.

> >

> > After being given zolpidem, the patients in the study

> could " interact,

> > make jokes, and speak on the phone, " Clauss stated in the journal,

> and

> > one patient even played catch with his family.

> >

> > Drake, research analyst for the pro-disabilities group Not

> > Dead Yet, said it's not that zolpidem helped PVS patients, but that

> > " misdiagnosis is the real issue. "

> >

> > " We put out a moratorium (on removal of ordinary care in PVS

> patients)

> > a year ago, " Drake said. " Persistent Vegetative State should

> really be

> > called Persistent Non-Responsive State because that's all we can

> tell

> > from the outside. There's no way to really know at the present

> time "

> > whether someone is truly PVS or temporarily non-responsive.

> >

> > " There's so much evidence that we're making mistakes " in these PVS

> > diagnoses, Drake said. " So to us, (the zolpidem news) is

> interesting,

> > but it doesn't change anything. "

> >

> > The Schindler family members also touched on the misdiagnosis

> issue in

> > their press release.

> >

> > " A report released by the British Medical Journal in 1996 found

> that

> > 43 percent of the diagnosed cases of PVS they studied were in fact

> > misdiagnosed, " the statement reads. " We at the Foundation are

> seeing

> > that the PVS diagnosis is being commonly misdiagnosed.

> Consequently,

> > it has become very obvious we don't know enough about this so-

> called

> > diagnosis, and common sense dictates that the removal of food and

> > water based on this misclassification must end until further

> studies

> > can be conducted. "

> >

> > Bobby Schindler, Terri's brother, told Cybercast News Service that

> he

> > believes " the PVS diagnosis is a very subjective diagnosis. "

> >

> > " It is now being used in most states as one of the criteria to

> allow

> > doctors to recommend terminating life. We are seeing a growing

> amount

> > of evidence that suggests that the PVS diagnosis is often being

> > misdiagnosed. And now there are certain drugs that could provide

> help

> > to persons that are being labeled as PVS, " Schindler said.

> >

> > Other drugs have been successfully used in the past to help PVS

> > patients. In December 2000, White Bull awoke after 16

> years

> > of what doctors called a persistent vegetative state, after being

> > given the drug Amantadine. The drug is commonly used to stimulate

> > individuals with Parkinson's disease and brain damage.

> >

> > The pharmaceutical group NeuroHealing was just granted " orphan drug

> > status " by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) on a drug labeled

> > NH001 that worked much like Ambien in PVS and comatose patients,

> but

> > with longer-lasting effects, according to the company's president,

> > Katzman.

> >

> > " With the growing amount of uncertainly regarding this diagnosis,

> and

> > drugs that could potentially help, it is only common sense we stop

> > using it, particularly when the decision to terminate life can't be

> > undone, " Bobby Schindler said.

> >

> > Schiavo's political group TerriPAC did not respond to

> requests

> > for comment, nor did the pro-euthanasia group Death With Dignity.

> >

> >

> >

> > Subscribe to the free CNSNews.com daily E-Brief.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah, but the comatose test didn't test how it works with a fifth of

gin :-)

Debi

> >

> > I don't think anything could awaken this moron. Does everyone

> know that the

> > house passed budget yesterday cutting PBS, new teachers, drug

> treatment

> > programs, etc. All to pay for the estate tax cut. I'm going to

> have to be

> > taken to the hospital for dehydration considering I've been

> throwing up

> > since 2000. -

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On

> Behalf Of

> > krstagliano

> > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 8:36 AM

> > EOHarm

> > Subject: Re: Sleeping Pill May Reverse Comatose Patients,

> Study

> > Says

> >

> >

> >

> > And this story may revive a comatose president. Interesting timing

> > to bring the Terry Schiavo name to the media again along with gay

> > marriage. Just in time for election. Hey, your gas is $3.25 a

> > gallon, you have no healthcare, your job is being handled by Sahib

> > in Bombay and your kids can't read and you just got nuked by Iran,

> > but take heart! The two gay guys next door died single, not

> > married. AMEN!

> >

> > Gee, maybe I should go get some coffee.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah, and I love their " Every Child Left Behind " grant ads at the end of each

children's

program now.

>

> I'm the first one to disagree with how our tax dollars are spent. But,

> PBS has long since been able to stand on its own feet. For crying out

> loud, how many of us own Sesame Street merchandise? PBS made them. And

> they aren't nonbiased. They do offer some great programming, but they

> aren't the wonder they like to think of themselves, and they have

> plenty of programs they could collect. Barney, Clifford, Sesame Street

> all line the walls of Toys R Us.

>

[Guest guest]

He's a Kennedy for Christ sakes, alcohol involvement is a given!!

> > >

> > > I don't think anything could awaken this moron. Does everyone

> > know that the

> > > house passed budget yesterday cutting PBS, new teachers, drug

> > treatment

> > > programs, etc. All to pay for the estate tax cut. I'm going

to

> > have to be

> > > taken to the hospital for dehydration considering I've been

> > throwing up

> > > since 2000. -

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ]

On

> > Behalf Of

> > > krstagliano

> > > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 8:36 AM

> > > EOHarm

> > > Subject: Re: Sleeping Pill May Reverse Comatose

Patients,

> > Study

> > > Says

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > And this story may revive a comatose president. Interesting

timing

> > > to bring the Terry Schiavo name to the media again along with

gay

> > > marriage. Just in time for election. Hey, your gas is $3.25 a

> > > gallon, you have no healthcare, your job is being handled by

Sahib

> > > in Bombay and your kids can't read and you just got nuked by

Iran,

> > > but take heart! The two gay guys next door died single, not

> > > married. AMEN!

> > >

> > > Gee, maybe I should go get some coffee.

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

This thread prompted me to play the Dixie Chicks, Taking the Long

Way Around real, real , real loud!

Wish the Dixie Chicks could come w/the group to the CDC.

We argure policital positions, but it really don't matter. We have

been placed in the " other position " by our offsprings needs.

And a correction in this thread: the Anabaptist were part of the

movement coming out of Luthers thesis. The beginning of the

split from The Church. I have been searching my own heritage taking

my search back to Switzerland and why my great, great, great, great,

great grandparents came to America.

The Amish were held in Trachselwald Castel in irons in cramped

wooden cells. One form of excution was to drown them for their

unpopular position. Part of the easy minipulation of some of the far

right is the ignorence of their own history.

> > > >

> > > > I don't think anything could awaken this moron. Does

everyone

> > > know that the

> > > > house passed budget yesterday cutting PBS, new teachers,

drug

> > > treatment

> > > > programs, etc. All to pay for the estate tax cut. I'm

going

> to

> > > have to be

> > > > taken to the hospital for dehydration considering I've been

> > > throwing up

> > > > since 2000. -

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > _____

> > > >

> > > > From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ]

> On

> > > Behalf Of

> > > > krstagliano

> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 8:36 AM

> > > > EOHarm

> > > > Subject: Re: Sleeping Pill May Reverse Comatose

> Patients,

> > > Study

> > > > Says

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > And this story may revive a comatose president. Interesting

> timing

> > > > to bring the Terry Schiavo name to the media again along

with

> gay

> > > > marriage. Just in time for election. Hey, your gas is $3.25

a

> > > > gallon, you have no healthcare, your job is being handled by

> Sahib

> > > > in Bombay and your kids can't read and you just got nuked by

> Iran,

> > > > but take heart! The two gay guys next door died single, not

> > > > married. AMEN!

> > > >

> > > > Gee, maybe I should go get some coffee.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>