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Thanks Debi! Good food for thought.

Lenny

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>> > Take a Vaccine Damage politics quotient test. Part 1.> Please submit your answers to the list.> > What is the goal in all this business? Why are we all here, really?> Some possibilities:> > A. Get mercury out of vaccines.> B. Expose the govt. perpetrators> C. Expose the Pharma perps.> D. Reform public health agencies, reign in Pharma.> E. Look for Dating partners.My answer is all but "E". My man is just fine for me! My most pressinggoal is to put the autism industry out of business. I'm in college tobecome a nurse practitioner to treat people with autism; my prayer isthat I will have no job market in 5 years.Some may want financial restitution. For me, all the money in theworld can't change what's happened, I'm content in being poor & proud,though I am increasingly seeing lawsuits as a means to bring aboutchange, esp if I don't get any settlement from the vaccine fund, whichI never expect. > > Answer: none of the above, perhap?> Our goal is. . . everyone should answer this for themselves (another> hint: it has something to do with our children). > > So it's all very simple: identify the goal and then start from there> to develop strategies and tactics. It's simple, but it ain't easy. > > I put the question to everyone here (and beyond) in our situation:> what is your goal for this "movement"? It would be interesting to see> how many of us are already on the same page.> > Next part to think about:> > Before you can develop effective strategy, you have to effectively> evaluate the strengths and weakness of your opponents -- but first you> must identify who the opponent(s) is/are.> > Who do you think are the opponents to be stopped / conquered?I think there will always be dirty politicians (sorry, I don'tdiscrminate parties) and indifferent voters. I think the no 1 opponentis what ever blocks free voice & free thinking. In this case, it isthe bureacracy called public health agencies and pharma. Free thinkinghas brought the answer of science. THe science has overwhelminglylinked vaccines to autism. It's the agencies & pharma who want tosuppress free thinking and free voice. IF htey have nothing to hide,they'd be more than welcoming to discuss it. They are whimpy childabusers, or as I call them a bunch of pedoethylmerkurithiosalicilphiles.> > 1. Pharma> 2. Public health agencies (CDC, FDA, etc)> 3. Dirty vaccines> 4. Dirty Republicans> 5. Dirty Democrats> 6. Polluters> 7. Indifferent voters> 8. Illegal immigrants> 9. Moslems> 10. Refrigerator Moms> 11. Microwave ovens> > Who / what others? > > You won't be graded, but your answers can determine your child's future.> > More later.> > Lenny>

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> A. Get mercury out of vaccines.> B. Expose the govt. perpetrators> C. Expose the Pharma perps.> D. Reform public health agencies, reign in Pharma.>Why am I here? All of the above, except that you forgot F. Revenge. This isn't about my children. Ok it is about my children, but it is also about me. My childrens' health is affected more, no doubt, than my own was. They received more poison than I did and probably at an earlier age. However they live in a world in which there is at least some understanding, however much denial there might be about the truth, of why they are the way they are. They are all very high functioning to normal, of course. So it is easy for me to say that I'm not interested in monetary compensation. The people responsible for this need

to pay a price. Not money. Money means nothing to people who merely have to do more evil in order to get more money. I want to see them in prison or worse. I want to see them suffer. The people responsible for this, as well as all of the people who've refused to see what the people responsible have done, as well as the people who see what's happened but would have me do nothing about it but shut up about it. A great many if not most of the people I know and have spoken with about this, believe it or not, I have found that they fall into one of the above categories. But it's ok because I know that it's not the facts of the situation, it is my approach to them, which causes them to react the way that they do. I was told by one person that I need to grow a thicker skin. I don't know if he expects me to grow a thicker skin because I am upset at having been poisoned, at having had my children poisoned, at having seen hundreds of thousands of children ruined. Or if he feels that

I should grow a thicker skin because I am upset at having been told to shut up about it. At having been shut up. I don't care what he thinks about my skin. My skin is just fine and always has been. There is a special place in hell for these people. I don't believe in a hell after people die. I think it happens to people here while they are alive. And I will laugh should anything evil befall them, which it surely will. I will laugh and laugh and laugh, and if somebody drops a bomb on washington dc, or another plane flies into the world trade center, and the people around me cry, then I will say "hahahahah. You need to grow a thicker skin." I don't have any illusions that the innocent will come out ok in all of this. If my children died tomorrow I would tell myself that at least they don't have to grow up and live amongst the likes of the people I see around me. Revenge is what I want. I don't believe I'll ever see it so long as the main stream

media is being paid by the people who did this. Congress isn't going to do anything that they don't have to do about this, and so long as the media isn't telling the story, they don't have to do anything. So I don't expect to ever see anything like justice brought about by my country or my legal system. (I don't intend to take matters into my own hands, although if i thought I could get away with it there are many people who I would be very happy to swing a very heavy metal pipe through their skulls.) Although I don't consider myself a religious person, I do believe that God has a way of taking care of these things, just as water has a way of finding the lowest point. I just want to watch. And if things go well for us then I will smile, and if things don't go well for us, I will laugh. God and the Doctors tell me it is good for me, to laugh, so if that is all that I can do, while the people around me get what they deserve, then that is what I will

do.

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An idea- impose informed consent on your pediatrician. You may wish to provide pediatricians with all evidence of toxicity from the vaccines. That forms the basis for their knowledge imputed into their actions. Once that is established, each parent must ask the pediatrician and specifically state that they do not want the vaccines they are administering causing damage or other illness to their children and they are asked to guarantee that. If damage/illness, then sue.

That may eventually force the pediatricians to have a frank discussion about the risks/benefits of the individual vaccine to be administered. They will be much more open to discussion.

If the patient wants the vaccines, then the patient will simply take them. If the patient doesn't want them, they can dig in their heals. The peds may back off- most are smart/savvy enough to know that a lot is going on now- even if they are caccoon/bubble dwellers. They don't want lawsuits. This approach will force informed consent. They will give you what you want. That is all you can ask.

Each pediatrician must be made aware- give them a list of articles- give them the information form putting children first. Give them Dan Olmsted's article about the unvaccinated kids. Then let them decide that they wish to believe the CDC/AAP in light of that evidence. And they are going to be held to that standard. Do it in a nice way- it's your child's life.

Put each one of them on the hook individually for the vaccines they administer. If the CDC/AAP is not indemnifiying them, watch the discussion/relationship quickly change to one which is much more rational.

This appears to be happening all over the country as it is. So this may not even be as timely/relevant anymore. It's already in effect.

This is meant simply to allow patients to have a frank discussion about the vaccines with their doctors to determine whether the risks are worthy of the putative rewards.

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Our biggest opponent is the doctors who keep shooting mercury into kids. These people need to admit their mistake and go about the business of repairing it. If the AAP and AMA decided it was a bad idea to keep giving mercury to babies, they could simply refuse to administer it and we wouldn't need laws to ban it. While the individual Doc's are protected legally by "standard of care", I wonder if a lawsuit against the people who set that standard would be possible. We should also start abducting the Neurodiverse and curing them so they'll all shut up. >> > Take a Vaccine Damage politics quotient test. Part 1.> Please submit your answers to the list.> > What is the goal in all this business? Why are we all here, really?> Some possibilities:> > A. Get mercury out of vaccines.> B. Expose the govt. perpetrators> C. Expose the Pharma perps.> D. Reform public health agencies, reign in Pharma.> E. Look for Dating partners.> > Answer: none of the above, perhap?> Our goal is. . . everyone should answer this for themselves (another> hint: it has something to do with our children). > > So it's all very simple: identify the goal and then start from there> to develop strategies and tactics. It's simple, but it ain't easy. > > I put the question to everyone here (and beyond) in our situation:> what is your goal for this "movement"? It would be interesting to see> how many of us are already on the same page.> > Next part to think about:> > Before you can develop effective strategy, you have to effectively> evaluate the strengths and weakness of your opponents -- but first you> must identify who the opponent(s) is/are.> > Who do you think are the opponents to be stopped / conquered?> > 1. Pharma> 2. Public health agencies (CDC, FDA, etc)> 3. Dirty vaccines> 4. Dirty Republicans> 5. Dirty Democrats> 6. Polluters> 7. Indifferent voters> 8. Illegal immigrants> 9. Moslems> 10. Refrigerator Moms> 11. Microwave ovens> > Who / what others? > > You won't be graded, but your answers can determine your child's future.> > More later.> > Lenny>

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Oh no. I want it on record, in big ugly print. Then I want to cram it down

the throat of all of these overpaid " autism experts " who told us we were bad

parents, geeks, misinformed, looney tunes, idiot parents. Then I want to

strap paul offit down and give him a dose of the 10,000 vaccine protocol he

keeps spouting off about. One for each of my mercury poisoned kids, in a

line of other parents who had to listen to doctors, reporter, senator,

teachers, nurses, etc berate us for our stupid ideas that vaccines could

ever be unsafe. And then I want the government and pharmas to pay for

centers in every state that will dx, test, treat all these kids for free.

And I want to wear a read dress to their funerals. Every fucking one of

them.

Maybe that's just me.

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F. Revenge. . . The people responsible for this need to pay a price.

Robin,

What purpose would this serve, exactly? I am not moralizing, I just

want to know what you think will be accomplished by getting the SOBs?

I assume it's more than making yourself feel better. 50 words or less,

if you can keep it to that. Save some energy for follow up questions.

Lenny

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It's not just you. I ditto everything Holly just saiand then add-i want money to take my grandson to the best fuc---- doctor in the world and get the best treatment that I have not been able to afford.Holly Bortfeld <maximom@...> wrote: Oh no. I want it on record, in big ugly print. Then I want to cram it downthe throat of all of these overpaid "autism experts" who told us we were badparents, geeks, misinformed, looney tunes, idiot parents. Then I want tostrap paul offit down and give him a dose of the 10,000 vaccine protocol hekeeps spouting off about. One for each of my mercury poisoned kids, in aline of other parents who had to listen to doctors, reporter, senator,teachers, nurses, etc berate us for our stupid ideas that vaccines couldever be unsafe. And then I want

the government and pharmas to pay forcenters in every state that will dx, test, treat all these kids for free.And I want to wear a read dress to their funerals. Every fucking one ofthem. Maybe that's just me.-----Original Message-----From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf OfschaferatsprynetSent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 8:59 PMEOHarm Subject: Re: Take This Test! (was: Politics and Autism)F. Revenge. . . The people responsible for this need to pay a price. Robin,What purpose would this serve, exactly? I am not moralizing, I justwant to know what you think will be accomplished by getting the SOBs?I assume it's more than making yourself feel better. 50 words or less,if you can keep it to that. Save some energy for follow up

questions.Lenny

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Lenny, You getting material to write a book???????? Maurineschaferatsprynet <schafer@...> wrote: >> Our biggest opponent is the doctors who keep shooting mercury into > kids. Would it be right to say that the biggest concern is the kids, and notthe doctors? If so, what is your goal regarding the kids?Lenny

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Gee Lenny, I bet you could teach the goal and strategy part of my

grantwriting workshop that I did at the NAA and NAALI conferences!

>

> 1. Heal my son and others damaged by mercury.

> 2. Prevent future such suffering.

>

Nice and succinct.

> Would you also agree that having " the truth to be acknowledged by the

> powers that be " and " institutional change " are the steps, or ways of

> getting to the above goals?

Right Lenny, this would make a great strategy toward the goal.

Ok, come on ladies and gents, I know there are people on this list that

were there...

Anyone want to take a stab at Lenny's test using a logic model? Lenny

seems to have it down pat.

Becky

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What lesson do I want taught? Several...

That the CDC, AAP and pharma are out of control. That they are careless.

That they are careless with our children. That they are at fault. That

they were wrong. That they need tighter controls. That they are not to be

trusted. That anecdotal information, when it comes from so many, is

important. That injury deserves a real investigation.

Who benefits from that? Everyone. Every drug might be safer. Every study

better designed. Every parent listened to. Real science investigated

benefits all.

I want safer vaccines, less pompous doctors, " health care professionals " ,

and program administrators that deal with children. I want our kids to get

treatment. I want tomorrow's kids to be safe. I want all those kids in

Africa, China, India to get Hg free vax and be healthy. I want " the best

advance in medicine " to actually be best, and safe. I want informed

consent. I want freedom of speech in the press (when no reporter would run

the truth).

I want my son to have a childhood. I want to attend boring peewee baseball

and football games rather than refill pill boxes. I want to take my kid out

to pizza and ice cream when he gets a B in school rather than a $6

gluten-free, casein-free, egg-free, soy-free, sugar-free cookie that still

requires an enzyme after 40 hours of 1:1 therapy. I want my son to kiss a

girl, go to prom, drink at a party until he pukes, learn to drive, and go to

college. Isn't that fair? Didn't every one of those people at CDC get to

do that?

I want my son to lose his virginity in the back seat of a car with a loose

girl behind steamed up windows, not to some pedophile working as an aide in

a shit classroom or group home. I want my son not to drown in a neighbor's

pool when he takes off from my home. I want not to have deadbolts on every

door and have service dogs to keep him in the yard. I want him to be safe.

Happy. Healthy. Here with us. I want my son to have what the other 165

get. Is that unreasonable? I don't think so.

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>

> Oh no. I want it on record, in big ugly print. Then I want to cram

it down

> the throat of all of these overpaid " autism experts " who told us we

were bad

> parents, geeks, misinformed, looney tunes, idiot parents. Then I

want to. . .

Holly,

I can sense you're a little irritated by the state of affairs. I

highly suspect you are not alone. What lesson do you want taught

with all these ideal lashings, and for whose benefit? The autism experts?

Lenny

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Robin,What purpose would this serve, exactly? I am not moralizing, I justwant to know what you think will be accomplished by getting the SOBs?I assume it's more than making yourself feel better. 50 words or less,if you can keep it to that. Save some energy for follow up questions.LennyDeterrence.Ok, the main thing, tho, is this. It would make me feel a whole lot better.

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Ok here is something else that I would like. I would like insurance to cover the treatment for these kids. Any treatment that parents feel is most beneficial. I don't want anyone told "oh THAT treatment is bogus. Oh there's no scientific basis for THAT." If a parent decides that sixteen eighty year old virgins dancing naked around their child during the first full moon in October is the thing that is going to help their child, the insurance company is bloody well going to pay for eighty five percent of the treatment. And there needs to be money for research, but I don't trust anyone with the government to do it. The story needs to be told, so that people know. But not by the same news organizations whose sponsors are mostly pharmaceutical companies. I hope and I pray that hollywood can do something about this. (I do still hope and pray once in awhile.) And then private money, in my opinion, should be used for the research into better treatments. The government can pay for that treatment, but not for the research. And parents have to be provided options in who is providing the treatment for their children. Like vouchers. Because everything I've seen the government touch, I swear, they have managed to fook up. This with the vaccines just happens to be a particularly aggregious case.But that's not going to be enough. I will still want the people responsible for this, the people who knew and decided to cover it up and continue with it, rather than own up and stop what they were doing, to suffer. Something to do with justice. When I was little I remember being told that life isn't fair. But I just never really grew up I guess.

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Yes, Lenny, that is definitely my first priority. Isn't that everyone's first priority-to take care of their own child or children first-in the best way that time, money and all the rest will allow. I thhink it's inherited from our simian relatives---and called maternal and paternal instinct. Then, the next would be to give help to all the others who have been injured, who may be injured----and the third goal would be to let the world know that our sociey is really fuc-----up--(ah but I think most of us know that already) that what we value most is the health and well being of our children (and ourselves of course) and not the new SUV or the multi-million dollar houses. And then after this is accomplished I'd like to see those individuals responsible for not caring---to be screwed. And lastly--I'd like to take time to do something in my life that doesn't require 5 hours a day to get through these

e-mailsschaferatsprynet <schafer@...> wrote: >> It's not just you. I ditto everything Holly just saiand then add-iwant money to take my grandson to the best fuc---- doctor in the worldand get the best treatment that I have not been able to afford.Hello Maurine,I will put down that your goal is quality care for your grandson, fromwhat I read so far. I too, want the best doctor in the world for my son, but having sexwith her is not a requirement, well not a big requirement, anyway. Lenny

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Lenny, I gratefully accept your re wording of my goals.

And yes, I do believe that the acknowledgment of the truth is the first essential step in institutional change.

My concern about vengeance - articulated passionately here and elsewhere - is that, if it's not managed, it can drain our energies dangerously. We spend energy on who we want to hurt, which can take away from who we want to help. Vengeance is dangerous, in my opinion, because it's intoxicating. It's a red flag that keeps our eyes from the prize. Don't get me wrong, I think that the airing of our rage and grief and suffering is an important part of the process, and must be done to heal ourselves - it's so powerful to have the airing be public and have the world witness our pain and tireless efforts ... but I think this important process must be done separate from the deliberative process of making progress politically. We need to make space for both, but keep the two separate, on two separate tracks. On the political front we must be clear that we all deserve to get at a minimum: a) treatment for our children services and supports for children who may not recover c)re-call thimerosal from the planet. On the other track we work to show the pain and destruction that has been sown and find liability. My two cents.

sarah fairchild

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>> My goal has several steps.> First I want the truth to be acknowledged by the powers that be. Then I want the government to provide effective help so that I canheal my son, and this mercury generation as much as possible. Theninstitutional change to prevent future generations from sufferingsimilarly. > Thanks ,Good. Let's see if I can break down your goals into its components.1. Heal my son and others damaged by mercury.2. Prevent future such suffering.Is this right? Would you also agree that having "the truth to be acknowledged by thepowers that be" and "institutional change" are the steps, or ways ofgetting to the above goals? Lenny

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Many of the captured Nazi war criminals were prosecuted. The individuals who decided to put mercury in vaccines should not be let off either. There must be a deterent so that this NEVER EVER happens again. Our children have survived. Many others have not. Our children have been tortured others murdered. As a society, we do not let people off the hook for murder. If I manufactured toy widgets and I knew that my widgets were defective and would kill children and yet I decided to sell these toy widgets any way, I could and should be prosecuted for manslaughter. I do not see a difference between selling deadly toy widgets that I know will kill and maim and putting hundreds of micrograms of toxic mercury into vaccines and then mandating that children receive them. What will

justice accomplish? It will accomplish deterence and will force people to acknowledge that a crime against humanity has been committed. If the people responsible are granted blanket immunity, then the history books will be written that the crime was not that bad and served the greater good. If someone kidnapped, raped and tortured a parent on this list, I do not believe that that person would want the perpetrator to walk free and not have to serve a day in jail for the crime. So why do our children deserve less? Vera" J. Krakow" <rkrakow@...> wrote: What will be accomplished by "getting the SOB's"?Lenny, how about JUSTICE - the process of placing our society on better moral bearings - with better values - by making an example of

those who would engage in malfeasance. That is what the system of justice is all about. It is perfectly ok for parents to seek vindication by seeing malefactors punished. Vindication is validation and, ultimately, that is power. With that power, if used properly, we can make policies that better protect children's health.BobOn Apr 18, 2006, at 10:14 PM, robin nemeth wrote:>>>>>> Robin,>> What purpose would this serve, exactly? I am not moralizing, I just>> want to know what you think will be accomplished by getting the SOBs?>> I assume it's more than making yourself feel better. 50 words or less,>> if you can keep it to that. Save some energy for follow up questions.>>>> Lenny>>>>> Deterrence.>> Ok, the main thing, tho, is this. It would make me feel a whole lot > better.>> !

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for Lenny- Euripides, Imenedes Sorry, it's old, but i couldn't resist. Maurinenevergiveup883 <ynot2@...> wrote: Thanks for the offer, I'll have to buy one, I can't sew either. Getting back to your question though...My first goal is to heal my son - for him. I've grown tired of trying to convince other parents of the truth (mercury poisoning) so hopefully once they see my son healed it will provide the proof that my words can't seem too. My second goal is to get the poisoning to stop (amalgams finished my son off so that recent "study" has me a bit miffed!).My third goal is to get the truth out. By truth I mean that a group of wealthy, well connected people have deliberately and knowingly poisoned a generation of kids. I want

a trial - think Nuremberg!Laurie> > > >> > > > My goal is simply the "truth". If the

FULL truth is known about> > > this whole > > > > situation all the rest (A-D and a few others) will all fall into> place.> > > > > > Hi Laurie,> > > What whole situation, where will "it" fall and for whom? Keep it> > > short, please.> > > > > > Lenny> > >> >>

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ER, Lenny:

The concept was to find a date with a mom/woman who knows about/understands autism, maybe has an autistic child and understands the use of the term.

Kind of like "New York Review of Books" personals with an EOH twist. From your suggestion.

Perhaps I was not clear. I wasn't making light of your post, just responding to lighten things up. The intent is always to entertain or inform/enlighten, not to denigrate.

Lighten up.

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Oh, come on now! You deserve someone with a higher IQ than that, youjust have to believe in yourself more. Of course, I could bemisinterpreting your goal. There are plenty of women out there with a40 something inch waist size. They're not too hard to bump into. Orperhaps the female you seek is not a human. Monkies, even female ones,have IQ's around that range. Be careful what you wish for. . . Lenny>> MWM seeking discrete rendevous with 40 something female whounderstands the term "stimmy".

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Please see previous post.

We love you, Lenny.

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>> Lenny's competition for the most hilarious sarcasm award heats up...> > > > H <stratpat@...> > > MWM seeking discrete rendevous with 40 something female whounderstands the term "stimmy".By now you've read my response. Case closed.Lenny

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I think that's right.

The first step is identifying the problem.

The remedy stems directly from identifying the problem.

It may be different in each instance.

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>> First thing everone should ask themselves (before any discussion ofstrategy, etc.) is > > What (remedy) do I/we want? You've skipped a step or two. What's the problem to be remedied andfor whom? KISS and no cheating.Lenny

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When I was little I remember being told that life isn't fair. But I just never really grew up I guess. Meaning that I didn't like hearing it then, and I don't like it any better, now.

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That's how I feel but said better then I could say it.Holly Bortfeld <maximom@...> wrote: What lesson do I want taught? Several...That the CDC, AAP and pharma are out of control. That they are careless.That they are careless with our children. That they are at fault. Thatthey were wrong. That they need tighter controls. That they are not to betrusted. That anecdotal information, when it comes from so many, isimportant. That injury deserves a real investigation. Who benefits from that? Everyone. Every drug might be safer. Every studybetter designed. Every parent listened to. Real science investigatedbenefits all. I want safer vaccines, less pompous doctors, "health care professionals",and

program administrators that deal with children. I want our kids to gettreatment. I want tomorrow's kids to be safe. I want all those kids inAfrica, China, India to get Hg free vax and be healthy. I want "the bestadvance in medicine" to actually be best, and safe. I want informedconsent. I want freedom of speech in the press (when no reporter would runthe truth). I want my son to have a childhood. I want to attend boring peewee baseballand football games rather than refill pill boxes. I want to take my kid outto pizza and ice cream when he gets a B in school rather than a $6gluten-free, casein-free, egg-free, soy-free, sugar-free cookie that stillrequires an enzyme after 40 hours of 1:1 therapy. I want my son to kiss agirl, go to prom, drink at a party until he pukes, learn to drive, and go tocollege. Isn't that fair? Didn't every one of those people

at CDC get todo that? I want my son to lose his virginity in the back seat of a car with a loosegirl behind steamed up windows, not to some pedophile working as an aide ina shit classroom or group home. I want my son not to drown in a neighbor'spool when he takes off from my home. I want not to have deadbolts on everydoor and have service dogs to keep him in the yard. I want him to be safe.Happy. Healthy. Here with us. I want my son to have what the other 165get. Is that unreasonable? I don't think so. -----Original Message-----From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf OfschaferatsprynetSent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 9:46 PMEOHarm Subject: Re: Take This Test! (was: Politics and Autism)>> Oh

no. I want it on record, in big ugly print. Then I want to cramit down> the throat of all of these overpaid "autism experts" who told us wewere bad> parents, geeks, misinformed, looney tunes, idiot parents. Then Iwant to. . .Holly,I can sense you're a little irritated by the state of affairs. Ihighly suspect you are not alone. What lesson do you want taughtwith all these ideal lashings, and for whose benefit? The autism experts?Lenny

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omg...

i thought i was being funny and both

of you were...

as a 40 something single mom who has

a child with autism...i thought your comment was hysterical and i think

lenny did too...

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ER, Lenny:

The concept was to find a date with a mom/woman

who knows about/understands autism, maybe has an autistic child and understands

the use of the term.

Kind of like " New York Review of Books "

personals with an EOH twist. From your suggestion.

Perhaps I was not clear. I wasn't making

light of your post, just responding to lighten things up. The intent

is always to entertain or inform/enlighten, not to denigrate.

Lighten up.

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Politics and Autism)

Oh, come on now! You deserve someone with a higher IQ than that, you

just have to believe in yourself more. Of course, I could be

misinterpreting your goal. There are plenty of women out there with

a

40 something inch waist size. They're not too hard to bump into. Or

perhaps the female you seek is not a human. Monkies, even female ones,

have IQ's around that range. Be careful what you wish for. . .

Lenny

>

> MWM seeking discrete rendevous with 40 something female who

understands the term " stimmy " .

[Guest guest]

In retrospect, I think so too.

Initially, I thought I might have offended.

That was not my intention.

It's clear Lenny was on the mark with his humor.

You've set the record straight.

Thanks.

Re: Take This Test! (was: Politics and Autism) Oh, come on now! You deserve someone with a higher IQ than that, youjust have to believe in yourself more. Of course, I could bemisinterpreting your goal. There are plenty of women out there with a40 something inch waist size. They're not too hard to bump into. Orperhaps the female you seek is not a human. Monkies, even female ones,have IQ's around that range. Be careful what you wish for. . . Lenny>> MWM seeking discrete rendevous with 40 something female whounderstands the term "stimmy".

[Guest guest]

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I agree with you -- especially the part about certain people needing to rot in jail. If there were a child poisoner on the lose, people would be falling over each other to catch and string him up. I'm not for vigilante justice, but I do desire justice for my son and all these children. These children have been robbed of every basic inalienable right.

What I would give just to be reimbursed for what we've had to spend. It has been worth it. To bring my son from the non-verbal, barely responsive abyss he was in to the the high-functioning place he is today.

But he still suffers and there is still a long way to go.

It is not just what we've spent. I always planned to be a stay at home mom until he went to school full time. I always intended to return to teaching once he was in school full time, but that is hard to do when you have a child with autism who is chronically sick with upper respiratory infections. He has literally been out sick every other week this year. So now lost wages come in to play as well. I dream of the therapies and things we could do to help him if I could have that salary back!

I was also thinking they could reimburse us by waving all taxes for a period of years. That means families with a child with autism pay no income, property, or sales tax. Just saving the property tax alone could pay for many hours of ABA. I think that would be fair considering that right now it is going to fund an educational system that totally misses the mark for our son. I will probably be home schooling beginning with this summer since they are further cutting EYS.

I know that by no means would this reimburse our losses, but it could be a good start. They can either pay now to help our children or the taxpayers will be paying later.

I agree with all your points.

Haven

[Guest guest]

I like the tax cut idea (tax moratorium) because you don't have to get the do-nothings to do anything.

Not that you would want them to do anything anyway. It would probably be worse than nothing.

Re: Re: Take This Test! (was: Politics and Autism)

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I agree with you -- especially the part about certain people needing to rot in jail. If there were a child poisoner on the lose, people would be falling over each other to catch and string him up. I'm not for vigilante justice, but I do desire justice for my son and all these children. These children have been robbed of every basic inalienable right.

What I would give just to be reimbursed for what we've had to spend. It has been worth it. To bring my son from the non-verbal, barely responsive abyss he was in to the the high-functioning place he is today.

But he still suffers and there is still a long way to go.

It is not just what we've spent. I always planned to be a stay at home mom until he went to school full time. I always intended to return to teaching once he was in school full time, but that is hard to do when you have a child with autism who is chronically sick with upper respiratory infections. He has literally been out sick every other week this year. So now lost wages come in to play as well. I dream of the therapies and things we could do to help him if I could have that salary back!

I was also thinking they could reimburse us by waving all taxes for a period of years. That means families with a child with autism pay no income, property, or sales tax. Just saving the property tax alone could pay for many hours of ABA. I think that would be fair considering that right now it is going to fund an educational system that totally misses the mark for our son. I will probably be home schooling beginning with this summer since they are further cutting EYS.

I know that by no means would this reimburse our losses, but it could be a good start. They can either pay now to help our children or the taxpayers will be paying later.

I agree with all your points.

Haven

[Guest guest]

Ok while I'm venting, here is something else I would like to see. What is with the special vaccine court? Everyone else, if they're deliberately harmed, they have access to recourse thru the normal courts. Why are we so special? I keep hearing about these Merck verdicts and settlements, and wondering why the parents of autistic children have to first go thru a decade of dealing with Vaccine Court? I don't want to see the experts passing judgement on whether or not a case has merit. I don't want to see the experts deciding which scientific studies are bogus and which ones aren't. it is the experts who got us into this. I want to see a jury, a jury of our peers, looking at the evidence. As ignorant about vaccines as they may be going into a trial.

[Guest guest]

Sorry...I'm suddenly " off the market. "

" redhead60707 "

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I thought it was a good one!

Gotta keep our sense of humor with all this madness...now who wants

a date with the pro-mercury dentist?

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