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I'm listening now and I think it is just Sovern givng a wrap up

of the press conference.

I didn't realize we could have listened on Autism One Radio

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> damn Mac- i couldn't listen to Autism one radio. Did anyone hear it?

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It just ended. They did say they had some technical difficulties

earlier.

Can't wait to hear how it went.

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I only caught approx 20 minutes of it. Mr. Grossman from ASA and

Kirby. was his usual self, but more assertive in his

statements. Mr Grossman said he supports more research into

environmental causes of autism. One thing that just really pisses me

off is when someone of Mr. Grossman's credentials keeps throwing out

the number 1.5 million autistic people in the USA. He also says there

is an epidemic of autism. If you say there is 1.5 million autistic

people and in the same breath throw out the 1.5 million number you are

in using an oxymoron. This number is derived by taking all 250 million

americans and dividing it by 166. This number implies a stable rate

for all age groups, thus no epidemic.

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You mean it wouldn't even work using Internet Explorer on a mac?

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I couldn't catch it on my Mac either!

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Thanks Bob for your observations. When talking about co-morbidity

some " experts " promote the theory that autism occurs with numerous

mental illnesses (schizophrenia, bio-polar and others).

Justification to put ill children on psychotropic medications that

have serious side effects and questionable benefits and have never

been tested on children and always written off label. Boosting sales

of blockbuster meds for the pharmaceutical industry. Meds masking

the underlying problems, as you mentioned gi or immune dysfunctions.

Kids never really getting the medical treatment they need.

Maybe it is too soon to tell, but it appears as if ASA is just going

to add to the confusion; therefore causing delays in getting

beneficial research (more of we don't know what causes autism?) and

bring nothing useful to the conversation(vaccines/thimerosal) from

your analysis.

BTW, I'm still waiting for a call back from Lee Grossman, I'll let

you know when I get it....

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> Excellent point. ASA and AS have been incorrectly using the 1.5

million

> number for years. Not a small point.

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> I could not hear everything but I think I heard Mr. Grossman refer

to

> " comorbid " disorders. GI disorders are often referred to by so-

called

> " experts " as comorbid, suggesting they have no relation

to " autism " and

> elevating " autism " to some level. On the contrary " autiism " is an

> approximate abstraction used to describe our kids, based on

superficial

> symptoms, and used because the experts do not really know what

autism

> is. The process is called reification - taking an abstract idea

or

> concept and giving it a concrete reality it does not possess. This

is a

> very dangerous abuse of thought and process that will retard

progress

> for our children with biomedical intervention.

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> Mr. Grossman also used the concept of " evidence-based " several

times.

> One person's " evidence-based " science is another's quackery so

this too

> is a code word, and not a neutral use of language. Disappointing -

not

> strong statements of unity for what many of us have been working

for.

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> " Comorbid " has been used by experts like Margaret Baumann (quoted

in

> Newsweek) and pharmaceutical lawyers to argue that all our kids

> multiple symptoms are, in a sense, coincidental to " autism " but

> fundamentally unrelated to it. " Comorbid " has been used to throw

our

> kids' legal claims out of court. It is a code word for saying that

> mercury poisoning and autoimmune disorders, and GI disorders, are

> separate from " autism. "

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> I wonder if Mr. Grossman understood the significance of using the

word

> " comorbid " in discussing our children's disorders. I doubt it and

I

> would be surprised if anyone on the panel clarified this charged

use of

> language - and stood up for the concept that much biomedical

research

> shows that so-called " comorbid " disorders are constituents of, and

not

> separate from, " autism. " (Whatever " autism " may be.)

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on 3/30/06 10:42 AM, Nanstiel at erik@... wrote:

> You mean it wouldn't even work using Internet Explorer on a mac?

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i used safari and firefox.... I think i tried IE too.

O well. That is common with Autism One radio for me.

Sometimes I can hear the archives though.

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Hello? I posted this yesterday at 10 o'clock in the morning. What

kind of glitch casues a post to take so long? strange.

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