When the day comes, what happens to the docs?

[Guest guest]

They'll pass a retroactive law that exempts them all.

When the day comes, what happens to the docs?

I'm curious: So when the day comes that medicine admits to having

poisoned tens of thousands of kids, what happens to the docs who are

currently on the sidelines, still telling us mercury is safe when

injected into our kids? I mean it. Do they close up shop? Leave

their offices in handcuffs (I'm all for that one!)

Let's say we wake up on June 1st and finally a study NO ONE can

dispute comes out saying there IS evidence of harm? Does our medical

system collapse? Our foreign policy implode (as we send Thimerosal

vaccines around the world?) Does the stock market collapse as the

Pharmaceutical companies tank?

What do you think the initial and on going response will be (beside

the slew of lawsuits, if vaccine injury compensation isn't outlawed

before then.)

Kim

Planning for my kids' weddings, not their group home

[Guest guest]

I think I read awhile back that a huge

percentage of the population seeks out alternative care, even though insurance

doesn’t always cover it.

And that because of that, allopathic

doctors are taking weekend courses on various alternative approaches, trying to

cash in on the trend.

Of course, nothing could be more

disrespectful, as if they could learn it so easily.

All the best,

Sandy

PS One of the major problems with

and for doctors is that as long as they follow the standard of care, they

cannot be sued. So many are choosing to ignore what is right to do what is

safe. Of course, it is only safe for them, not their patients.

From:

EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of Marty Landman

Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006

8:24 AM

EOHarm

Subject: When the day

comes, what happens to the docs?

At 11:06 AM 3/25/2006, " Carlson "

<cathykay@...> wrote:

> > I mean it. Do they close up

shop? Leave

>their offices in handcuffs (I'm all for that

one!) <

>

>NO. They are protected by laws created

by Congress. They must have known

>the day would eventually come when the public

would know the truth about

>dangers of vaccines so they used their clout

with our trusted lawmakers to

>protect them from prosecution.

And if persistence by many in gov't pays off, one

day they'll be protected

from civil lawsuits as well.

OTOH I don't care 1/100th as much about any

negative reinforcement in the

form of justice that may (or may not) be visited

on others one day as I

care about my son growing up to have a life.

That said people expressing their preferences and

beliefs is imo happening

now. What I mean is that with medical care more

out of reach, and stories

floating around about the decreasing quality of

care, it seems like

alternative health is becoming more common, and

doctor's visits less common.

I have no statistics it's just a feeling, wonder

if others are seeing

anecdotal evidence of this trend as well?

Marty

--

Asperger's/High Functioning Autism Homeschooler's

discussion list

as-hfa-homeschool/

[Guest guest]

It's really millions of kids when you add up the kids with autism, ADD (about 5 million), asthmatics (about 9-10 million) the kids with allergies, learning disabilities, psychiatric disorders, etc., the numbers are perhaps tens of millions.

Joe Stallin and Mao would be proud of their efforts.

RE: When the day comes, what happens to the docs?

They'll pass a retroactive law that exempts them all. -----Original Message-----From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf OfkrstaglianoSent: Friday, March 24, 2006 8:47 PMEOHarm Subject: When the day comes, what happens to the docs?I'm curious: So when the day comes that medicine admits to having poisoned tens of thousands of kids, what happens to the docs who are currently on the sidelines, still telling us mercury is safe when injected into our kids? I mean it. Do they close up shop? Leave their offices in handcuffs (I'm all for that one!) Let's say we wake up on June 1st and finally a study NO ONE can dispute comes out saying there IS evidence of harm? Does our medical system collapse? Our foreign policy implode (as we send Thimerosal vaccines around the world?) Does the stock market collapse as the Pharmaceutical companies tank?What do you think the initial and on going response will be (beside the slew of lawsuits, if vaccine injury compensation isn't outlawed before then.)KimPlanning for my kids' weddings, not their group home

[Guest guest]

I think the educated is seeking alternative medicine/approaches more.

By educated, I mean one who takes the time to learn about it. You

don't have to have the equivalent of a brain surgeon's education to

learn about it, just the desire. I think a bigger thing that will

affect is when people stop looking at doctors as gods and start

looking at them as advice-givers. I'm amazed by the no of people who

say, " But my doctor told me to do it... " as if a virtual stranger's

opinion overrules any commonsense. I've been guilty of it too, or I

wouldn't have let my 9 mo old baby get a hepb vax while scabbed over

with chicken pox.

Debi

[Guest guest]

http://www.mercola.com/townofallopath/townofallopath.htm

This is a possible scenario of what will happen!!!

[Guest guest]

Whenever this topic comes up, we always end up having people

disappointed and hurt by the comments. I, for one, feel sorry for

most pediatricians. They have been hoodwinked by the agencies in

charge of directing them. We have been hoodwinked as well. Most of

us, had we stumbled upon this group without our own particular

life experiences, would think that this group was a bunch of crazies!

Having said that, I do feel very strongly that my own ex-pediatrician

will owe me an apology for so blatantly disregarding me and my

opinions in regards to vaccinating my children... but to blame them, I

can't... They will have enough guilt to deal with when this mess gets

straightened out.

Sue M.

>

> > I mean it. Do they close up shop? Leave

> their offices in handcuffs (I'm all for that one!) <

>

> NO. They are protected by laws created by Congress. They must have

known the day would eventually come when the public would know the

truth about dangers of vaccines so they used their clout with our

trusted lawmakers to protect them from prosecution.

>

> C.

>

[Guest guest]

H <stratpat@...> wrote: It's really millions of kids when you add up the kids with autism, ADD (about 5 million), asthmatics (about 9-10 million) the kids with allergies, learning disabilities, psychiatric disorders, etc., the numbers are perhaps tens of millions. Joe Stallin and Mao would be proud of their efforts. Who knows how many HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of children (also young adults) may have been affected, if you include children in other

countries who have had these vaccines over the last 2 decades? This whole scenario reminds me a lot of Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World". Our children are still being born viviparously, unlike in that novel, where human embryos were grown, bottled in "hatcheries", and "decanted" later. Our children may not be undergoing pre-planned "Bokanovskification" while still in a test tube, but our chidrens' "destinies" are also being tampered with, or affected, by receiving various vaccines upon or shortly after birth. Some of these children may have received additional tampering, if their mothers received vaccines while the child was still in utero. (An aside here... A military unit in the UK also had a bad experience with a number of children being born with various birth defects,even though they were born some time after their fathers had received various vaccines prior their

deployment during one of the wars with Iraq. The person who "blew the whistle" on this was the wife of a soldier whose child was born unscathed by obvious birth defects, and her husband was one of the few, if not the only one in his unit who declined/refused the required vaccines. Their baby was born OK, but this was not the case with other babies born to couples who had a spouse in that unit and did receive various vaccines. Did this woman receive any applause or credit for bringing this information to public attention? Hell no, her husband was moved out of that unit.) Back to "Brave New World". I ended up/chose to read this novel, again, during March Break last week, to help my second oldest son, who is floundering between Grades 10 and 11, with a language assignment. Despite being a prolific writer in the primary and junior grades, he has experienced a definite downturn since

Grade 7.When he was in Grade 6, a professor here in Toronto, chose one of my son's stories to publish in her book about teaching guided writing. It was a bit of a mixed up story, but still, how can a kid go from being an engaged writer to one who wants nothing to do with reading and writing, in the space of one year, and have it continue for years? Despite writing all kinds of interesting stories as a youngster, that son of mine has been failing English every year in secondary school. Yet, when he focuses and takes the same subject in summer school, he miraculously manages to pass. Despite his failures, he somehow managed to pass the big Grade 10 Literacy test, which all of our secondary school students need to pass in order to graduate (here in Ontario, anyway), even though it may take him several more years to get all of his required credits. To some people, it may seem crazy/ludicrous that I actually sat down and

read the novel that my son should have read over March Break, to try and help make it more accessible to him.My son's teacher assigned various topics for the students. My son ended up with FAS...not only did he not know what that meant, he also had no clue as to how FAS may have related to BNW, since he had not read the novel. Instead of chewing him out for NOT ATTENDING CLASS FOR SEVERAL WEEKS, I read the novel, and attached post-it notes to sections where alcohol was mentioned in BNW. I couldn't even get a clear idea of what my son had to present for this assignment. What his teacher had told me,during parent-teacher interviews, was somewhat different from what my son had garnered from his explanation. It seems that I may have directed my son to do a bit more than what was required...I actually helped him tie FAS to this novel, even though the term FAS, or Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, was not coined until

decades later, after this novel had already been published. Anyway, after all the work we put into this assignment, without knowing what exactly was expected (since that son of mine is loathe to ask any questions of teachers), I am hoping that he will do all right. It was a bit of a team effort...I read the novel and directed my son to the pertinent parts. I even found most of the FAS sites for him. After he had all his puzzle pieces in place, my son was able to go off on his own and put together his report. Thank God! Once he had the required info at his fingertips, he was ready to use it, and thankfully, that part he does relatively well. Aasa

[Guest guest]

I was only referring to the US.

Re: When the day comes, what happens to the docs?

H <stratpat@...> wrote:

It's really millions of kids when you add up the kids with autism, ADD (about 5 million), asthmatics (about 9-10 million) the kids with allergies, learning disabilities, psychiatric disorders, etc., the numbers are perhaps tens of millions.

Joe Stallin and Mao would be proud of their efforts.

Who knows how many HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of children (also young adults) may have been affected, if you include children in other countries who have had these vaccines over the last 2 decades? This whole scenario reminds me a lot of Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World".

Our children are still being born viviparously, unlike in that novel, where human embryos were grown, bottled in "hatcheries", and "decanted" later. Our children may not be undergoing pre-planned "Bokanovskification" while still in a test tube, but our chidrens' "destinies" are also being tampered with, or affected, by receiving various vaccines upon or shortly after birth. Some of these children may have received additional tampering, if their mothers received vaccines while the child was still in utero.

(An aside here... A military unit in the UK also had a bad experience with a number of children being born with various birth defects,even though they were born some time after their fathers had received various vaccines prior their deployment during one of the wars with Iraq. The person who "blew the whistle" on this was the wife of a soldier whose child was born unscathed by obvious birth defects, and her husband was one of the few, if not the only one in his unit who declined/refused the required vaccines. Their baby was born OK, but this was not the case with other babies born to couples who had a spouse in that unit and did receive various vaccines. Did this woman receive any applause or credit for bringing this information to public attention? Hell no, her husband was moved out of that unit.)

Back to "Brave New World". I ended up/chose to read this novel, again, during March Break last week, to help my second oldest son, who is floundering between Grades 10 and 11, with a language assignment. Despite being a prolific writer in the primary and junior grades, he has experienced a definite downturn since Grade 7.When he was in Grade 6, a professor here in Toronto, chose one of my son's stories to publish in her book about teaching guided writing. It was a bit of a mixed up story, but still, how can a kid go from being an engaged writer to one who wants nothing to do with reading and writing, in the space of one year, and have it continue for years? Despite writing all kinds of interesting stories as a youngster, that son of mine has been failing English every year in secondary school. Yet, when he focuses and takes the same subject in summer school, he miraculously manages to pass. Despite his failures, he somehow managed to pass the big Grade 10 Literacy test, which all of our secondary school students need to pass in order to graduate (here in Ontario, anyway), even though it may take him several more years to get all of his required credits.

To some people, it may seem crazy/ludicrous that I actually sat down and read the novel that my son should have read over March Break, to try and help make it more accessible to him.My son's teacher assigned various topics for the students. My son ended up with FAS...not only did he not know what that meant, he also had no clue as to how FAS may have related to BNW, since he had not read the novel. Instead of chewing him out for NOT ATTENDING CLASS FOR SEVERAL WEEKS, I read the novel, and attached post-it notes to sections where alcohol was mentioned in BNW.

I couldn't even get a clear idea of what my son had to present for this assignment. What his teacher had told me,during parent-teacher interviews, was somewhat different from what my son had garnered from his explanation. It seems that I may have directed my son to do a bit more than what was required...I actually helped him tie FAS to this novel, even though the term FAS, or Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, was not coined until decades later, after this novel had already been published.

Anyway, after all the work we put into this assignment, without knowing what exactly was expected (since that son of mine is loathe to ask any questions of teachers), I am hoping that he will do all right. It was a bit of a team effort...I read the novel and directed my son to the pertinent parts. I even found most of the FAS sites for him. After he had all his puzzle pieces in place, my son was able to go off on his own and put together his report. Thank God! Once he had the required info at his fingertips, he was ready to use it, and thankfully, that part he does relatively well.

Aasa

[Guest guest]

So was s/he. 1 out of every 6 children

are in special ed in the US.

Asthma, allergies, etc and the numbers are probably 1:3. given the number of

kids in the US,

that’s easily millions and millions.

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of H

Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006

9:23 PM

EOHarm

Subject: Re: When the day

comes, what happens to the docs?

I was only referring to the US.

Re: When

the day comes, what happens to the docs?

H <stratpat@...>

wrote:

It's really millions of kids when you add up the kids with

autism, ADD (about 5 million), asthmatics (about 9-10 million) the kids with

allergies, learning disabilities, psychiatric disorders, etc., the numbers are

perhaps tens of

millions.

Joe Stallin and Mao would be proud of their efforts.

[Guest guest]

That is hilarious!

Debi

>

> _http://www.mercola.com/townofallopath/townofallopath.htm_

> (http://www.mercola.com/townofallopath/townofallopath.htm)

>

> This is a possible scenario of what will happen!!!

>

[Guest guest]

Holly: Thanks for your support...but I was trying to tell H. that these numbers of children with neurological disorders and behavioral problems are not only to be found in the States, but also in other countries. It is indeed disheartening that these same numbers or figures can be found within your own country, but the reality is, that these numbers become exponentially bigger, once we add children from other countries to this "equation". Aasa Holly Bortfeld <maximom@...> wrote: So was

s/he. 1 out of every 6 children are in special ed in the US. Asthma, allergies, etc and the numbers are probably 1:3. given the number of kids in the US, that’s easily millions and millions. From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of H Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:23 PMEOHarm Subject: Re: When the day comes, what happens to the docs? I was only referring to the US. Re: When the day comes, what happens to the docs? H <stratpat@...> wrote: It's really millions of kids when you add up the kids with autism, ADD (about 5 million), asthmatics (about 9-10 million) the kids with allergies, learning disabilities, psychiatric disorders, etc., the numbers are perhaps tens of

millions. Joe Stallin and Mao would be proud of their efforts.

[Guest guest]

Debi: Why is this "hilarious'? None of your links led me to any useful information. I checked them out and came up with nothing. Aasa (and as an aside here, Dr. Mercola has been fighting those who mitigate his messages), to next to no avail. Debi <fightingautism@...> wrote: That is hilarious!Debi>> _http://www.mercola.com/townofallopath/townofallopath.htm_ > (http://www.mercola.com/townofallopath/townofallopath.htm) > > This is a possible scenario of what will happen!!!>

[Guest guest]

Because the links (that someone else posted) were funny. call me

warped, I thought it was pretty good.

Debi

>

> Debi:

>

> Why is this " hilarious'? None of your links led me to any useful

information. I checked them out and came up with nothing. Aasa (and

as an aside here, Dr. Mercola has been fighting those who mitigate his

messages), to next to no avail.

>

[Guest guest]

>

>

>I'm curious: So when the day comes that medicine admits to having

>poisoned tens of thousands of kids, what happens to the docs who are

>currently on the sidelines, still telling us mercury is safe when

>injected into our kids?

I've tried to see these people more as sheep than as evil doers. Ack, I

hate that word. Ok, how about I don't necessarily see them as knowing

accomplices. They've got a lot on their plate. They belong to these huge

organizations with all of the acroynms in an effort to get guidance, and I

don't see that as necessarily a bad thing. However, that being said, I must

say there are doctors out there whose attitude really does anger me. Who I

really think ought to know, and do know, what's going on here.

The other day I was told my youngest son had asthma. (I've since been told

by a different doctor from the hospital ER that it's croup and probably not

asthma). Of course I know that there's been an increase in asthma as well

as autism since the vaccine schedule has been increased. When I brought up

the topic of vaccines and mercury with this doctor who said has

asthma, his response was " I don't think that information is accurate. " But

it wasn't even so much what he said as the way he said it that pissed me

off. Ok I'm perhaps not the most adept at reading body language. But his

statement sounded so terse and so rehearsed. Completely devoid of all

emotion except condescension. He didn't say " discussion is over, you're a

moonbat " , but he might as well have.

Unfortunately I don't think hold out much hope that people like this will

ever face any consequence whatsoever for their ignorance. Even in the best

outcome of all of this that I dare to hope for. But you can bet I won't be

seeing that doctor again.

[Guest guest]

<<<<<<<Let's say we wake up on June 1st and finally a study NO ONE can

dispute comes out saying there IS evidence of harm? Does our medical

system collapse? Our foreign policy implode (as we send Thimerosal

vaccines around the world?) Does the stock market collapse as the

Pharmaceutical companies tank?>>>>>>

Kim, the bad news is that such evidence already exists, is in plain view, is

obvious and totally ignored. The evidence of harm is absolute but humans are

in love with their poisons.

The good news is that the medical system along with the economic system will

collapse eventually for we are a suicidal civilization which poisons our

babies, destroys the environment, pollutes the food, de-minerlizes the soil,

warms the planet etc etc etc.

We are as a people stubborn and egocentered hating change and anything new.

Spiritually we are bankrupt for it would take a huge spiritual change to

turn things around and such changes are not anywhere on the human map that I

can see. So hold onto your hat and be ready for anything! But in general

expect things to get a lot lot worse before sanity dawns and things slowly

start to get better.

The United States has the furthest to fall....one reason I am so happy being

down here in Brazil. Anyone who wants to set up a saftey escape option down

here please feel free to contact me. I would be all to happy to help anyone

buy a home down here. I happen to live in probably one of the best cities in

the best country for surviving the 21st century.

Mark Sircus Ac., OMD

Director International Medical Veritas Association

http://www.imva.info

[Guest guest]

Were it not for the condescension (sp?) of my doctor I would never

have investigated vaccines and discovered to my horror what they

contained.

My son got sicker and sicker after each round of vaccines and

eventually was hospitalized. At my next visit after his

hospitalization, all I wanted to do was " postpone " vaccinating until

we could figure out his problems. They were so focused on

vaccinating him and so uninterested in helping him that I began to

wonder what was motivating them. As I left the office, I noticed a

letter fromt he Health Department congratulating them on their high

vaccination rates. Later I found out about the pressure and

incentives they receive.

When EOM came out and was on the bestseller list, I couldn't believe

NOT ONE person I spoke to or knew had heard of the book! When I

checked out the local bookstores, I would find that it was always

located in some obscure place. For weeks I would go into the

stores, find the copies and put them in plain view or in the

parenting section.

-slg

>

>

> >

> >

> >I'm curious: So when the day comes that medicine admits to having

> >poisoned tens of thousands of kids, what happens to the docs who

are

> >currently on the sidelines, still telling us mercury is safe when

> >injected into our kids?

>

>

> I've tried to see these people more as sheep than as evil doers.

Ack, I

> hate that word. Ok, how about I don't necessarily see them as

knowing

> accomplices. They've got a lot on their plate. They belong to

these huge

> organizations with all of the acroynms in an effort to get

guidance, and I

> don't see that as necessarily a bad thing. However, that being

said, I must

> say there are doctors out there whose attitude really does anger

me. Who I

> really think ought to know, and do know, what's going on here.

>

> The other day I was told my youngest son had asthma. (I've since

been told

> by a different doctor from the hospital ER that it's croup and

probably not

> asthma). Of course I know that there's been an increase in asthma

as well

> as autism since the vaccine schedule has been increased. When I

brought up

> the topic of vaccines and mercury with this doctor who said

has

> asthma, his response was " I don't think that information is

accurate. " But

> it wasn't even so much what he said as the way he said it that

pissed me

> off. Ok I'm perhaps not the most adept at reading body language.

But his

> statement sounded so terse and so rehearsed. Completely devoid of

all

> emotion except condescension. He didn't say " discussion is over,

you're a

> moonbat " , but he might as well have.

>

> Unfortunately I don't think hold out much hope that people like

this will

> ever face any consequence whatsoever for their ignorance. Even in

the best

> outcome of all of this that I dare to hope for. But you can bet I

won't be

> seeing that doctor again.

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with you, I don't think so many of them are deliberately doing

what they do. A family member is an ER resident, I've repeatedly tried

to give her info about the issues. She would at first take it to her

professors, who would tell her the info was wrong. When I would ask

her how it was wrong -- 'cause I'm seriously interested in hearing

both/all thoughts -- her professors couldn't give her reasoning. That

tells me that their either too busy or too stupid to learn. I don't

think malice is in either, but is it malice if I run a stop sign &

kill a carload of people because I was too busy to stop?

Debi

> I've tried to see these people more as sheep than as evil doers. Ack, I

> hate that word. Ok, how about I don't necessarily see them as knowing

> accomplices. They've got a lot on their plate. They belong to these

huge

> organizations with all of the acroynms in an effort to get guidance,

and I

> don't see that as necessarily a bad thing.