Re: CDC confirms pediatric flu death

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Oh jeez, now send every mother with a child between the ages of 1 and

12 scurrying off to the pediatrician tomorrow morning for a flu shot!

Will they ever stop. Protect the identity of the child. Bull....---

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> SANTA FE (AP) - Federal health officials have confirmed New

Mexico's first pediatric flu death for the 2005-06 season.

> The state Health Department made the announcement Thursday. The

child, between the ages of 1 and 12, lived in Valencia County and

died in mid-January. State health officials release information

according to age categories to protect patients' privacy.

> The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention notified the

state last week.

> It's the first influenza death in a New Mexico child since the

2003-04 season, when three children died from flu.

> From Oct. 1 through March 10, state health officials have

reported 100 deaths from a combination of flu and pneumonia.

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i wonder... was the child unhealthy to begin with? was the child given tylenol? was the child eating sugary foods? was the child resting in bed or playing outside? because if you're not following specific rules, yes, your child can die from what is otherwise a harmless illness. <redhead60707@...> wrote: http://www.kobtv.com/index.cfm?viewer=storyviewer & id=24808 & cat=NMTOPSTORIES CDC confirms pediatric flu death Last Update: 03/16/2006 4:19:02 PMBy: Associated Press SANTA FE (AP) - Federal health officials have confirmed New Mexico’s first pediatric flu death for the 2005-06 season. The state Health Department made the announcement Thursday. The child, between the ages of 1 and 12, lived in Valencia County and died in mid-January. State health officials release information according to age categories to protect patients’

privacy. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention notified the state last week. It’s the first influenza death in a New Mexico child since the 2003-04 season, when three children died from flu. From Oct. 1 through March 10, state health officials have reported 100 deaths from a combination of flu and pneumonia. Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.

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I have to ask what eating sugary foods or playing outside has to do with flu death.

I have never heard that.

Tylenol too.

I am more inclined to think that child was just ill overall, weak immune system, perhaps malnurished, etc....

Re: CDC confirms pediatric flu death

i wonder...was the child unhealthy to begin with?was the child given tylenol?was the child eating sugary foods?was the child resting in bed or playing outside?because if you're not following specific rules, yes, your child can die from what is otherwise a harmless illness.

[Guest guest]

This case sounds like those pediatric Colorado cases from 2 years ago;

extremely light on detail, raising the question whether it's even clear

if it was a confirmed flu case at all. Ever critically read some of

those cases on familiesfightingflu.com? According to the information

the pharma companies present there, some of them weren't even confirmed

influenza. One child died of myocarditis, which " could have been

caused by the influenza " (paraphrased). Many of these cases sound like

" flu-like illness " which I understand is how the CDC comes up with its

36,000 death figure per year.

> SANTA FE (AP) - Federal health officials have confirmed New

> Mexico’s first pediatric flu death for the 2005-06 season.

> The state Health Department made the announcement Thursday. The

> child, between the ages of 1 and 12, lived in Valencia County and

> died in mid-January. State health officials release information

> according to age categories to protect patients’ privacy.

> The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention notified the

> state last week.

> It’s the first influenza death in a New Mexico child since the

> 2003-04 season, when three children died from flu.

> From Oct. 1 through March 10, state health officials have reported

> 100 deaths from a combination of flu and pneumonia.

>

[Guest guest]

Please folks…

If the headline were this:

“NM confirmed first case of autism

this year”

and comments made by other parents were “maybe

malnourished, mother didn’t treat him well, unhealthy, any of previous comments

below”

You’d all be pissed off. Let’s

not speculate that the parents did something wrong here or broke some “rules”.

Give me a freakin break. On March 13, 2005 one of my best friend’s

2 year old child died quickly off flu. He was the most well cared for child I

knew.

We should all know better not to speculate

like this… who knows? We don’t. All I know is my kid was injured by

the flu shot and my friend’s healthy, well cared for kid died of the flu.

Is the hype about flu shots unsubstantiated, absolutely. But yes, people and

children sometimes do die from the flu.

Becky

I have to ask what eating sugary foods or playing

outside has to do with flu death.

I have never heard that.

Tylenol too.

I am more inclined to think that child was just ill overall,

weak immune system, perhaps malnurished, etc....

i wonder...

was the child unhealthy to begin with?

was the child given tylenol?

was the child eating sugary foods?

was the child resting in bed or playing outside?

because if you're not following specific rules, yes, your child can die from

what is otherwise a harmless illness.

[Guest guest]

i'm not saying that the mother was to blame. i never said the mother didn't treat him well. i'm sure she did what she felt was best. however, many doctors do more harm than good by telling the parent to give their sick child fever reducers. and doctors should be telling parents with sick children NOT to give them ice cream etc when they're sick. eating or drinking 100 grams of sugar can reduce the ability of white blood cells to kill germs by 40 percent. vitamin c, however, increases the production of infection-fighting white blood cells and antibodies.sick children used to stay home and rest because the mother was able to stay home with the child, but today, both parents work and it's not so easy to take time off-(that's why we have the chickenpox vaccine.) dr. told my husband he could stay home and rest for 2 weeks or take antibiotics. i thinik he would have been better off just staying home and resting,

because he's STILL sick. Becky Grant-Widen <bgrantwiden@...> wrote: Please folks… If the headline were this: “NM confirmed first case of autism this year” and comments made by other parents were “maybe malnourished, mother didn’t treat him well, unhealthy, any of previous comments below” You’d all be pissed off. Let’s not speculate that the parents did something wrong here or broke some “rules”. Give me a freakin break. On March 13, 2005 one of my best friend’s 2 year old child died quickly off flu. He was the most well cared for child I knew. We should all know better not to speculate like this… who knows? We don’t. All I know is my kid was injured by the flu shot and my friend’s healthy, well cared for kid died of the flu. Is the hype about flu shots unsubstantiated, absolutely. But yes, people and children sometimes do die from the flu. Becky I have to ask what eating sugary foods or playing outside has to do with flu death. I have never heard that. Tylenol too. I am more inclined to think that child was just ill overall, weak immune system, perhaps malnurished, etc.... i wonder... was the child unhealthy to begin with? was the child given tylenol? was the child eating sugary foods? was the child

resting in bed or playing outside? because if you're not following specific rules, yes, your child can die from what is otherwise a harmless illness.

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[Guest guest]

I somewhat agree with Becky. We all (and I'm guilty of it too) use the

same lines that make us so mad all the time. How many times to I read

on our board when flu deaths are reported, " I bet the kid had an

underlying health problem... " Nothing at all against the original

poster of this thread, any statement made could be valid, but we just

don't know.

When a parent of a child who died from pertussis pushes parents of

infants to get vaccinated, that parent is doing the same thing we do

when we push for people not to vaccinate. They're using their pain and

their experience to try to help others keep from experiencing the same

agony. The fact is, none of it is easy to take, it sucks when our kids

get sick, and it majorly sucks when they die.

It just all sucks.

Debi

[Guest guest]

: I agree with what you are saying. A few minutes ago, I came across an article which made me wonder the same thing: how many "flu cases" are being attributed to reports of "flulike illnesses"? Flulike illnesses are not necessarily the same as the "flu". I had the flu 10 years ago, and using that lousy experience as a standard or measuring stick, I can safely say that other flulike illnesses which I have experienced before and after that, were just that, "flulike illnesses", as miserable as I may have felt at the time. Anyway, here is the article I just read. Aasa By the way, I find this totally ridiculous. Here's a quote from the article below: Under North Carolina's program to monitor flu activity, 54 health-care providers in 36 counties report the number of their patients who have such symptoms as a fever of 100 degrees or higher, cough or sore throat. Now, how is North Carolina's program to monitor flu activity going to give them an accurate picture of actual "flu activity"? Throughout this March Break, and on a few other occasions earlier this winter, several of my 5 children have had temperatures over 100°F for a day or two, and a few of them had coughs and sore throats, not necessarily associated with any fever. I did not feel the need to report most of these incidences to their doctor. It was pretty darned obvious that they were suffering from some sort of respiratory virus which was not as debilitating as the flu. The only one who did go to the doctor, was our son who had a cough bad enough to give him worrisome breathing difficulties over the Christmas holidays, but even he pulled through without any medication. We went through a lot of herbal tea, lemon, honey, and supplements at those times. However, if a good number of folks in North Carolina happen to call or

visit their doctors every time they have a raised temperature, cough, and/or sore throat, will they not end up being counted on the "flu activity" roster, as they are presenting with the signs of "flulike illnesses"? If this also happens in other states, is this not giving an over-inflated number of people who may actually be afflicted by the flu? I am just wondering, because here in Toronto, Ontario, I have yet to have seen or heard of anyone actually coming down with the "flu" this year...and no, not all of us partake of our so-called "free" flu vaccines. I work at a school and it has been relatively easy for me in the past to be aware of viruses which are circulating, but this year, I haven't heard of anyone actually having the flu virus. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Officials hopeful flu season has hit peak THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Saturday, January 10, 2004 RALEIGH North Carolina health officials said yesterday they are hopeful that this flu season has peaked, based on a substantial drop in the number of patients reporting flulike symptoms. Under North Carolina's program to monitor flu activity, 54 health-care providers in 36 counties report the number of their patients who have such symptoms as a fever of 100 degrees or higher, cough or sore throat. Just three weeks ago, about 7.7 percent of the patients of those health-care providers had flulike illness. In the week ending Jan. 3, 3.5 percent of the patients at the sentinel sites had flulike illness. "We are cautiously optimistic that for now this flu season has peaked," said Leah Devlin, the state health director. The number of people with this kind of illness has dropped off substantially since mid-December, Devlin said, "and we hope that trend will continue." Devlin warned

that there could always be another increase in cases. Dr. Engel, the state epidemiologist, said that although there has been an increased awareness of the impact of flu, particularly on children, the 2003-2004 season is shaping up to be an "early, moderate, Type A season." "Type A viruses, like the one that has affected people this year, always make people sicker than Type B viruses, like those that we have seen in the past couple of seasons," Engel said. "But, for now, this season hasn't really been extraordinary. It is pretty similar to past Type A seasons." The federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, based on the deaths of several Colorado children in mid-November, asked states for the first time to report to the agency the number of deaths of children as the result of flu and its complications. "Because pediatric flu deaths had never been reported, reporting deaths this year may have led people to think that something

unusual was happening," Engel said. "But that doesn't appear to be the case." This story can be found at: http://www.journalnow.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WSJ%2FMGArticle%2FWSJ_BasicArticle & c=MGArticle & cid=1031773029386 Go Back <jw4994@...> wrote: This case sounds like those pediatric Colorado cases from 2 years ago; extremely light on detail, raising the question whether it's even clear if it was a confirmed flu case at all. Ever critically read some of those cases on familiesfightingflu.com? According to the information the pharma

companies present there, some of them weren't even confirmed influenza. One child died of myocarditis, which "could have been caused by the influenza" (paraphrased). Many of these cases sound like "flu-like illness" which I understand is how the CDC comes up with its 36,000 death figure per year.> SANTA FE (AP) - Federal health officials have confirmed New > Mexico’s first pediatric flu death for the 2005-06 season.> The state Health Department made the announcement Thursday. The > child, between the ages of 1 and 12, lived in Valencia County and > died in mid-January. State health officials release information > according to age categories to protect patients’ privacy.> The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention notified the > state last week.> It’s the first influenza death in a New Mexico child since the > 2003-04 season, when three children died from flu.> From

Oct. 1 through March 10, state health officials have reported > 100 deaths from a combination of flu and pneumonia.>

[Guest guest]

i'm just tired of hearing "we must vaccinate because the flu and chickenpox are deadly." healthy children aren't supposed to die from these diseases. it is a judgement on the medical profession's lack of knowledge on the proper way to treat illness. Debi <fightingautism@...> wrote: I somewhat agree with Becky. We all (and I'm guilty of it too) use the same lines that make us so mad all the time. How many times to I read on our board when flu deaths are reported, "I bet the kid had an underlying health problem..." Nothing at all against the original poster of this thread, any statement made could be valid, but we just don't know. When a parent of a child who died from pertussis pushes parents of infants to get vaccinated, that parent is doing the same thing we do when we push

for people not to vaccinate. They're using their pain and their experience to try to help others keep from experiencing the same agony. The fact is, none of it is easy to take, it sucks when our kids get sick, and it majorly sucks when they die. It just all sucks. Debi

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Remembertthe epidemicf Guillaine-Barre syjdrone due to the swine flu vaccine? That virus cross reacted with antigens of human nerves and brain.

When I attempt to ascertain whether the antigen in the current flu vaccine has been tested to exclude this -possibility, I get the run=around, so I assume it

has not.Sincerely,

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From: Aasa <penas7ar@...>Reply-EOHarm To: EOHarm Subject: Re: re: CDC confirms pediatric flu deathDate: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 01:14:21 -0500 (EST)

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I agree with what you are saying. A few minutes ago, I came across an article which made me wonder the same thing: how many "flu cases" are being attributed to reports of "flulike illnesses"? Flulike illnesses are not necessarily the same as the "flu". I had the flu 10 years ago, and using that lousy experience as a standard or measuring stick, I can safely say that other flulike illnesses which I have experienced before and after that, were just that, "flulike illnesses", as miserable as I may have felt at the time. Anyway, here is the article I just read. Aasa

By the way, I find this totally ridiculous. Here's a quote from the article below:

Under North Carolina's program to monitor flu activity, 54 health-care providers in 36 counties report the number of their patients who have such symptoms as a fever of 100 degrees or higher, cough or sore throat.

Now, how is North Carolina's program to monitor flu activity going to give them an accurate picture of actual "flu activity"?

Throughout this March Break, and on a few other occasions earlier this winter, several of my 5 children have had temperatures over 100°F for a day or two, and a few of them had coughs and sore throats, not necessarily associated with any fever. I did not feel the need to report most of these incidences to their doctor. It was pretty darned obvious that they were suffering from some sort of respiratory virus which was not as debilitating as the flu. The only one who did go to the doctor, was our son who had a cough bad enough to give him worrisome breathing difficulties over the Christmas holidays, but even he pulled through without any medication. We went through a lot of herbal tea, lemon, honey, and supplements at those times.

However, if a good number of folks in North Carolina happen to call or visit their doctors every time they have a raised temperature, cough, and/or sore throat, will they not end up being counted on the "flu activity" roster, as they are presenting with the signs of "flulike illnesses"? If this also happens in other states, is this not giving an over-inflated number of people who may actually be afflicted by the flu?

I am just wondering, because here in Toronto, Ontario, I have yet to have seen or heard of anyone actually coming down with the "flu" this year...and no, not all of us partake of our so-called "free" flu vaccines. I work at a school and it has been relatively easy for me in the past to be aware of viruses which are circulating, but this year, I haven't heard of anyone actually having the flu virus.

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Officials hopeful flu season has hit peak

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Saturday, January 10, 2004

RALEIGH

North Carolina health officials said yesterday they are hopeful that this flu season has peaked, based on a substantial drop in the number of patients reporting flulike symptoms.

Under North Carolina's program to monitor flu activity, 54 health-care providers in 36 counties report the number of their patients who have such symptoms as a fever of 100 degrees or higher, cough or sore throat.

Just three weeks ago, about 7.7 percent of the patients of those health-care providers had flulike illness. In the week ending Jan. 3, 3.5 percent of the patients at the sentinel sites had flulike illness.

"We are cautiously optimistic that for now this flu season has peaked," said Leah Devlin, the state health director. The number of people with this kind of illness has dropped off substantially since mid-December, Devlin said, "and we hope that trend will continue."

Devlin warned that there could always be another increase in cases. Dr. Engel, the state epidemiologist, said that although there has been an increased awareness of the impact of flu, particularly on children, the 2003-2004 season is shaping up to be an "early, moderate, Type A season."

"Type A viruses, like the one that has affected people this year, always make people sicker than Type B viruses, like those that we have seen in the past couple of seasons," Engel said. "But, for now, this season hasn't really been extraordinary. It is pretty similar to past Type A seasons."

The federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, based on the deaths of several Colorado children in mid-November, asked states for the first time to report to the agency the number of deaths of children as the result of flu and its complications.

"Because pediatric flu deaths had never been reported, reporting deaths this year may have led people to think that something unusual was happening," Engel said. "But that doesn't appear to be the case."

This story can be found at: http://www.journalnow.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WSJ%2FMGArticle%2FWSJ_BasicArticle & c=MGArticle & cid=1031773029386

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This case sounds like those pediatric Colorado cases from 2 years ago; extremely light on detail, raising the question whether it's even clear if it was a confirmed flu case at all. Ever critically read some of those cases on familiesfightingflu.com? According to the information the pharma companies present there, some of them weren't even confirmed influenza. One child died of myocarditis, which "could have been caused by the influenza" (paraphrased). Many of these cases sound like "flu-like illness" which I understand is how the CDC comes up with its 36,000 death figure per year.> SANTA FE (AP) - Federal health officials have confirmed New > Mexico’s first pediatric flu death for the 2005-06 season.> The state Health Department made the announcement Thursday. The > child, between the ages of 1 and 12, lived in Valencia County and > died in mid-January. State health officials release information > according to age categories to protect patients’ privacy.> The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention notified the > state last week.> It’s the first influenza death in a New Mexico child since the > 2003-04 season, when three children died from flu.> From Oct. 1 through March 10, state health officials have reported > 100 deaths from a combination of flu and pneumonia.>

[Guest guest]

i'm just tired of hearing " we must vaccinate because the flu and

chickenpox are deadly. "

Barb, I am equally tired of hearing this. In fact,

even my friend whose child died last year of flu is tired of it. She realizes

that what happened to her son was a fluke and very rare. Her doc said it was

very unlikely that a flu shot

would have prevented it. She IS NOT advocating that parents

run out and get it because of what happened.

healthy children aren't supposed to die from these diseases. it

is a judgement on the medical profession's lack of knowledge on the

proper way to treat illness.

Honestly, I don’t think this is always the case. I think

while much of the time so called “vaccine preventable illness”

deaths occur in people who have compromised health, it’s not the rule. I

think it’s the freakish, rare deaths in healthy people that really fuels

the fire for the vaccination programs. Statistically, those cases are very

small though. We had 2 cases of pediatric flu deaths last year here in Maine. A teen, and my friend’s

son. It’s a rare event.

I was just asking that people be a little more sensitive. It’s

very raw for me still. When I read things like “malnourished” and “eating

sugar”, to me it sound like the blame is being put on the parents. I’m

sure we’ve all heard at some point or another reference to our kids’

autism being something we did wrong. I know I have. I just feel protective of

parents such as my friend and want to encourage us all to be sensitive to that.

These kids who die are not just a statistic, anymore than our own are. I know

there was no harm intended, but some of the comments just struck a nerve me. I’ll

admit they way I asked for it should have been better. I just wanted to ask for

a little sensitivity.

Becky

I somewhat agree with Becky.

We all (and I'm guilty of it too) use the

same lines

that make us so mad all the time. How many times to I read

on our board

when flu deaths are reported, " I bet the kid had an

underlying

health problem... " Nothing at all against the original

poster of

this thread, any statement made could be valid, but we just

don't know.

[Guest guest]

Just like with kids all over Knox County coughing for weeks, they said

it was just a viral thing, while my kid who I kept pushing for testing

was found positive for pertussis -- but it was only 'cause she wasn't

immunized, according to local health officials.

What ever!

Debi

[Guest guest]

I agree with you, but the same argument was told to encourage my

vaccinating my child. " Healthy kids don't have problems with vaccines. "

Debi

>

> i'm just tired of hearing " we must vaccinate because the flu and

chickenpox are deadly. " healthy children aren't supposed to die from

these diseases. it is a judgement on the medical profession's lack of

knowledge on the proper way to treat illness.

>

>

[Guest guest]

ok. i'm terribly sorry if i offended anyone.Becky Grant-Widen <bgrantwiden@...> wrote: i'm just tired of hearing "we must vaccinate because the flu and chickenpox are deadly." Barb, I am equally tired of hearing this. In fact, even my friend whose child died last year of flu is tired of it. She realizes that what happened to her son was a fluke and very rare. Her doc said it was very unlikely that a flu shot would have prevented it. She IS NOT advocating that parents run out and get it because of what happened. healthy children aren't supposed to die from these diseases. it is a judgement on the medical profession's lack of knowledge on the proper way to treat illness. Honestly, I don’t think this is always the case. I think while much of the time so called “vaccine preventable illness†deaths occur in people who have compromised health, it’s not the rule. I think it’s the freakish, rare deaths in healthy people that

really fuels the fire for the vaccination programs. Statistically, those cases are very small though. We had 2 cases of pediatric flu deaths last year here in Maine. A teen, and my friend’s son. It’s a rare event. I was just asking that people be a little more sensitive. It’s very raw for me still. When I read things like “malnourished†and “eating sugarâ€, to me it sound like the blame is being put on the parents. I’m sure we’ve all heard at some point or another reference to our kids’ autism being something we did wrong. I know I have. I just feel protective of parents such as my friend and want to encourage us all to be sensitive to that. These kids who die are not just a statistic, anymore than our own are. I know there was no harm intended, but some of the comments just struck a nerve me. I’ll admit they way I asked for it should have been better. I just wanted to ask for a little sensitivity. Becky I somewhat agree with Becky. We all (and I'm guilty of it too) use the same lines that make us so mad all the time. How many times to I read on our board when flu deaths are reported, "I bet the kid had

an underlying health problem..." Nothing at all against the original poster of this thread, any statement made could be valid, but we just don't know.

Relax. virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses!

[Guest guest]

>Barb, I am equally tired of hearing this. In fact, even my friend whose child died last year of flu is tired of it. She realizes that what happened to her son was a fluke and very rare. Her doc said it was very unlikely that a flu shot would have prevented it. She IS NOT advocating that parents run out and get it because of what happened.<

How old was the child? Do you know if her child had the routine vaccines as an infant and/or boosters? If the answer is yes, it may be that the "flu" was deadly because of the vaccines causing a compromised immune system, or that the vaccines actually caused the so called flu illness. We never know because they don't look for this and probably wouldn't admit if it were true.

C.

[Guest guest]

The child was two and was vaccinated as an

infant but not for flu or chicken pox. Maybe not Hep B either. It

was a confirmed case of influenza A, per the medical examiner. I really don’t

want to discuss this individual situation any further though. I’d prefer we

not speculate, that’s all.

Becky

>Barb, I am equally tired of hearing this. In fact, even my

friend whose child died last year of flu is tired of it. She realizes that what

happened to her son was a fluke and very rare. Her doc said it was very

unlikely that a flu shot

would have prevented it. She IS NOT advocating that parents run out and

get it because of what happened.<

How old was the child? Do you know if her child had the routine

vaccines as an infant and/or boosters? If the answer is yes, it may be

that the " flu " was deadly because of the vaccines causing a

compromised immune system, or that the vaccines actually caused the so called

flu illness. We never know because they don't look for this and probably

wouldn't admit if it were true.