Re: Church denies Communion to autistic boy

[Guest guest]

Again with this???????

You know... my mom used to drag me to church every week, and about the age of 8 I figured it out to be a sham. Please I am not knocking religion... well... maybe I am... I am knocking the catholic religion b/c it was the one forced down my throat for years... I am glad I had the right mind to not get confirmed and play the game.

Maybe the kid is better off.

Church denies Communion to autistic boy

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0304communion0304.html

Church denies Communion to autistic boy

Clancy The Arizona Republic Mar. 4, 2006 12:00 AM

The Catholic Church has told the parents of a 10-year-old autistic boy that, because the child cannot consume the host, he is not receiving Communion properly. Until he does, church officials say, he cannot partake of the church's most meaningful sacrament.

[Guest guest]

The article is written so badly that it is very difficult to

understand what actually happened. The media tend to look for very

simple angles, and are not above completely distorting something

because it is easier to report, or the reporter simply didn't

understand what they were writing about. The media hate complexity

and nuance, that's no news to anyone on this list, and things in the

Catholic church are rarely simple and straightforward. I would not

be quick to judgement here until there is some decent reporting on

the facts.

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> Again with this???????

> You know... my mom used to drag me to church every week, and about

the age of 8 I figured it out to be a sham. Please I am not

knocking religion... well... maybe I am... I am knocking the

catholic religion b/c it was the one forced down my throat for

years... I am glad I had the right mind to not get confirmed and

play the game.

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> Maybe the kid is better off.

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> Clancy

> The Arizona Republic

> Mar. 4, 2006 12:00 AM

> The Catholic Church has told the parents of a 10-year-old

autistic boy that, because the child cannot consume the host, he is

not receiving Communion properly. Until he does, church officials

say, he cannot partake of the church's most meaningful sacrament.

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[Guest guest]

M. Webster:

Although your anguish with what happened is obvious, and w/out saying wrong-

Generalizing such a huge group may hurt some very dear people.

I'd be concerned about the family of Liz Birt (devout Catholics) reading

your post , and possibly avoiding the list just to lessen their hurt-load.

It was disconcerting to our family to read such "off topic" hate.

As I recall RKJ is also Catholic.

Jack

--------- Church denies Communion to autistic boy

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0304communion0304.html

Church denies Communion to autistic boy

Clancy The Arizona Republic Mar. 4, 2006 12:00 AM

The Catholic Church has told the parents of a 10-year-old autistic boy that, because the child cannot consume the host, he is not receiving Communion properly. Until he does, church officials say, he cannot partake of the church's most meaningful sacrament.

[Guest guest]

Wait a minute... Did anyone else notice this?

Church Denies Communion = CDC

They are everywhere!

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> M. Webster:

> Although your anguish with what happened is obvious, and w/out

saying wrong-

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> Generalizing such a huge group may hurt some very dear people.

> I'd be concerned about the family of Liz Birt (devout Catholics)

reading

> your post , and possibly avoiding the list just to lessen their

hurt-load.

> It was disconcerting to our family to read such " off topic " hate.

> As I recall RKJ is also Catholic.

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> Jack

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> Clancy

> The Arizona Republic

> Mar. 4, 2006 12:00 AM

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> The Catholic Church has told the parents of a 10-year-old autistic

boy that, because the child cannot consume the host, he is not

receiving Communion properly. Until he does, church officials say,

he cannot partake of the church's most meaningful sacrament.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for the laugh .

CDC- Cat and Dog Crap

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> > Although your anguish with what happened is obvious, and w/out

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> > Generalizing such a huge group may hurt some very dear people.

> > I'd be concerned about the family of Liz Birt (devout

Catholics)

> reading

> > your post , and possibly avoiding the list just to lessen their

> hurt-load.

> > It was disconcerting to our family to read such " off topic " hate.

> > As I recall RKJ is also Catholic.

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> > The Arizona Republic

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autistic

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> he cannot partake of the church's most meaningful sacrament.

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[Guest guest]

it was hardly hate.

recall I was raised catholic.

Nor did I say all catholics are bad.

Don't read into things.

Re: Church denies Communion to autistic boy

M. Webster:

Although your anguish with what happened is obvious, and w/out saying wrong-

Generalizing such a huge group may hurt some very dear people.

I'd be concerned about the family of Liz Birt (devout Catholics) reading

your post , and possibly avoiding the list just to lessen their hurt-load.

It was disconcerting to our family to read such "off topic" hate.

As I recall RKJ is also Catholic.

Jack

[Guest guest]

Jack,

Your letter makes excellent points about the danger and unfairness of

stereotypes. But you go too far to characterize 's remarks as

hate. To me, her remarks come from a place of fear and betrayal and

not of the empty ignorance that drives haters.

Like many " recovering " Catholics I know personally, 's wounds are

still fresh and painful. But I have seen many of my " XRC " friends

return to the church as time passes -- time allowing a different

perspective to emerge. The healing the church can provide can be

compelling for one's family and often overrides, and allows

forgiveness of early bad experiences.

I say all this not to promote the Catholic Church, I am not even a

Christian, myself -- but only to ask that we go easy on our neighbors

in religion-inflicted pain. Trust that she will eventually wash away

herself the splinter in her eye that we have been so quick to point out.

Lenny

ps. With the retiring baby boomers and the loss of the mercury

generation to autism, we all will become quite dependent on the high

birth rate of Catholics to replenish our lot. God bless the Catholics,

we're gonna need them more than ever and sooner rather than later.

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> M. Webster:

> Although your anguish with what happened is obvious, and w/out

saying wrong-

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> Generalizing such a huge group may hurt some very dear people.

> I'd be concerned about the family of Liz Birt (devout Catholics)

reading

> your post , and possibly avoiding the list just to lessen their

hurt-load.

> It was disconcerting to our family to read such " off topic " hate.

> As I recall RKJ is also Catholic.

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> Jack

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> http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0304communion0304.html

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> Church denies Communion to autistic boy

> Clancy

> The Arizona Republic

> Mar. 4, 2006 12:00 AM

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> The Catholic Church has told the parents of a 10-year-old autistic

boy that, because the child cannot consume the host, he is not

receiving Communion properly. Until he does, church officials say, he

cannot partake of the church's most meaningful sacrament.

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[Guest guest]

Jack,

I am with you. I found 's remarks to be most

offensive. Calling someone's religion a " sham " and a

" game " is simply uncalled for unless she was posting on the

AgainstReligion@... group. She needs to take it

elsewhere. Our parish has been nothing short of stellar and

accommodating with our son.

Jean

M. Webster:

Although your anguish with what happened

is obvious, and w/out saying wrong-

Generalizing such a huge group may

hurt some very dear people.

I'd be concerned about the family of Liz

Birt (devout Catholics) reading

your post , and possibly avoiding

the list just to lessen their hurt-load.

It was disconcerting to our family to

read such " off topic " hate.

As I recall RKJ is also

Catholic.

Jack

--------- Church denies Communion to

autistic boy

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0304communion0304.html

Church denies Communion to autistic boy

Clancy

The Arizona Republic

Mar. 4, 2006 12:00 AM

The Catholic Church has told the parents of a 10-year-old

autistic boy that, because the child cannot consume the host, he is

not receiving Communion properly. Until he does, church officials say,

he cannot partake of the church's most meaningful sacrament.

[Guest guest]

There's a parallel between the ongoing autism/mercury denial and the

Catholic Church's belaed public affirmation of sexual abuse victims.

After years of pressure from families victimized by pedophile

priests, church leaders finally realized that the issue must be

openly dealt with to restore public confidence. As ugly as it was,

the corruption was acknowledged. Still the Church endures.

Vaccines should not be considered sacrosanct. Honest self-

examination, not continued denial, is essential for the program's

survival.

With heightened pressure from the public, the policymaking

bureaucrats will realize that they must change their one-size-fits-

all paradigm and start considering genetic diversity and

environmental exposures. Not to mention rooting out corruption and

making amends for past errors.

Hokkanen

Minneapolis

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> > M. Webster:

> > Although your anguish with what happened is obvious, and w/out

> saying wrong-

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> > Generalizing such a huge group may hurt some very dear people.

> > I'd be concerned about the family of Liz Birt (devout Catholics)

> reading

> > your post , and possibly avoiding the list just to lessen their

> hurt-load.

> > It was disconcerting to our family to read such " off topic " hate.

> > As I recall RKJ is also Catholic.

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> > http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0304communion0304.html

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> > Church denies Communion to autistic boy

> > Clancy

> > The Arizona Republic

> > Mar. 4, 2006 12:00 AM

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> > The Catholic Church has told the parents of a 10-year-old

autistic

> boy that, because the child cannot consume the host, he is not

> receiving Communion properly. Until he does, church officials say,

he

> cannot partake of the church's most meaningful sacrament.

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[Guest guest]

Yes of course you're right , Lenny.

I'm certainly not qualified to say what emotion was behind 's remarks.

I was concerned for the feelings of those who would feel slighted.

I'm sure is a lovely girl. I've read her posts and she's done nice things.

okeedokee let's get back on topic, shall we?

made a good point about admitting errors and working proactively to

make no more.

CDC should try it.

--------- Church denies Communion to autistic boy > > > > > > http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0304communion0304.html > > > > Church denies Communion to autistic boy > > Clancy > > The Arizona Republic > > Mar. 4, 2006 12:00 AM > > > > The Catholic Church has told the parents of a 10-year-old autistic > boy that, because the child cannot consume the host, he is not > receiving Communion properly. Until he does, church officials say, he > cannot partake of the church's most meaningful sacrament. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

ok, fine...

That is right... I am big anti-religion hating jackass.

Thanks for pointing it out to me.

You all know me so well. I discriminate against relgion... I am a racist, I am a sexist.. You nailed it.

Actually sarcasm aside, you should know, I hate all people. Thanks for reminding me.

Let me point out some things...

Historically the Catholic church was democrat, but as the members of the catholic church got more money, suddenly the political affliation turns republican. (Now, since you people read into what I am saying, let me tell you, I am pointing out a FACT that is listed in political science text books --take it how you will)

This is a church who has become all about the money. until not too long ago our church used to print a list of how much money everyone gave each year... once even sent a letter to my grandpa when he was raising 4 kids on nothing back in the day, that "You could do better"

As an adult, I have returned a couple times, and is it a coincidence that everytime I do they skip the sermon in favor of an appeal for more donations? Did they really need the sparkling hand-carved Italian marble alter??? or maybe would a simple table been enough, and they could have done other things with the money?

See, its on a small scale like that, and its on a grander scale thru the whole organization. The catholic church has two big black eyes right now, and defend them if you want, but for me they are corrupt.

Religion and believing in God should have NOT A DAMN thing to do with money, or pretty alters, OR REFUSING DISABLED PEOPLE.

LOCALLY there have been several families ASK TO LEAVE mass b/c their autistic children were disruptive. I know 4 familes locall, all from different churches that have LEFT the church b/c of this. Nationally this happens often, and nationally this is not the first (or the last) time we will hear about discrimination in the church.

Do I feel a group like this is a SHAM? DAMN RIGHT I DO.

Now, if you truly want it dropped feel free to spank me off list, jwebs94@...

OR you could truly drop it!

In the meantime I will not be quiet about ANYONE refusing our kids ANYTHING based on disability.

Whether its the pope or the president or Joe Shmoe.

Read that last part twice... if someone is wronging our kids we need to sound off about it.

There is NO scared cow here.

[Guest guest]

I probably shouldn't relate this story, but I can't resist..

When my brother was an infant, my parents decided to leave the catholic

church, for reasons I'm not aware of. And so none of us, my brothers or

myself, were ever baptized in the catholic church.

One day, as the story goes, the priest paid a visit to my parents house and

told my mother that her child was a bastard, because he wasn't being

baptised in the catholic church. And my brother, lying in her arms as he

spoke to her and wise to the ways of the world even then apparently, looked

up at the priest and said ... " Pfffffttttt! "

My mother, I am told, had nothing to say to him.

[Guest guest]

, I'm a devout Christian and totally understand your feelings,

not just the Catholic Church, but ALL churches. Unfortunately, the

leadership of all churches are horribly human, and often times, those

worldly characteristics come out in leadership issues. That said, I

know many wonderful, Christ-filled Catholics, and I try to be a

Christ-filled Protestant...though I just left another extremely

annoying dr appointment and would talk about if I wouldn't show how

carnal I am at the moment, lol.

Debi, who wants to let satan fill my mouth right now!

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> Re: Church denies Communion to autistic boyok, fine...

> That is right... I am big anti-religion hating jackass.

> Thanks for pointing it out to me.

> You all know me so well. I discriminate against relgion... I am a

racist, I am a sexist.. You nailed it.

>

> Actually sarcasm aside, you should know, I hate all people. Thanks

for reminding me.

>

> Let me point out some things...

> Historically the Catholic church was democrat, but as the members of

the catholic church got more money, suddenly the political affliation

turns republican. (Now, since you people read into what I am saying,

let me tell you, I am pointing out a FACT that is listed in political

science text books --take it how you will)

> This is a church who has become all about the money. until not too

long ago our church used to print a list of how much money everyone

gave each year... once even sent a letter to my grandpa when he was

raising 4 kids on nothing back in the day, that " You could do better "

>

> As an adult, I have returned a couple times, and is it a coincidence

that everytime I do they skip the sermon in favor of an appeal for

more donations? Did they really need the sparkling hand-carved

Italian marble alter??? or maybe would a simple table been enough, and

they could have done other things with the money?

>

> See, its on a small scale like that, and its on a grander scale thru

the whole organization. The catholic church has two big black eyes

right now, and defend them if you want, but for me they are corrupt.

>

> Religion and believing in God should have NOT A DAMN thing to do

with money, or pretty alters, OR REFUSING DISABLED PEOPLE.

> LOCALLY there have been several families ASK TO LEAVE mass b/c their

autistic children were disruptive. I know 4 familes locall, all from

different churches that have LEFT the church b/c of this. Nationally

this happens often, and nationally this is not the first (or the last)

time we will hear about discrimination in the church.

>

> Do I feel a group like this is a SHAM? DAMN RIGHT I DO.

>

> Now, if you truly want it dropped feel free to spank me off list,

jwebs94@...

> OR you could truly drop it!

>

> In the meantime I will not be quiet about ANYONE refusing our kids

ANYTHING based on disability.

> Whether its the pope or the president or Joe Shmoe.

>

> Read that last part twice... if someone is wronging our kids we need

to sound off about it.

> There is NO scared cow here.

>