Guest guest Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 DeTannous@... wrote: > > These kind of lawsuits are getting ridiculous. > _http://www.gadling.com/2007/11/12/disabled-guests-sue-disney-on-segway-ban/_ > <http://www.gadling.com/2007/11/12/disabled-guests-sue-disney-on-segway-ban/_> Why do you say that? From what I read in the article, I don't see what's ridiculous. If a person person with a disability needs and uses a Segway to cover long distances. Which seems particularly likely at an amusement park like Disney World. Why shouldn't they be allowed to use their chosen assistive device? Not everyone wants to use a wheelchair, especially if they can walk some. Disney says its because Segways can go as fast as 12 mph. I know power wheelchairs that can go that fast. IMHO The lawsuit isn't obviously ridiculous. -- Guy W. San Leandro, CA http://www.xango.org http://stonebender.livejournal.com/ " I have no discernible guilt about having het privilege. I have it, but it's not my fault that I do. It is, however, my perception that I'm responsible for trying to spread the privilege around a bit. " — Serene Vannoy, on being out as bi, poly and atheist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 I think what makes it ridiculous is the fact that some of the " disabled " people filing the lawsuits are IMHO not really disabled, but are looking to make a quick $$$ by complaining about something that is not really a problem. Let me make myself sound terribly insensitive now and say that I DO NOT believe that a person allowing themselves to get to 500lbs should qualify them as disabled. If there is a PROVEN medical issue that has caused the weight gain then that would be the disability, but not the weight itself. I don't see how riding around on a scooter or segway all day is going to help those people at all. Before anyone gets too upset with me, I have formed this opinion after watching most of my family become morbidly obese. It's not a fat phobic thing. I also don't grasp the concept of a segway being used as an assistive device. Am I incorrect in thinking that you have to stand to use those? How much can you really " need " it if you can stand for hours at a time? Love and Hugs Jeni Re: Disney being sued DeTannous@... wrote: > > These kind of lawsuits are getting ridiculous. > _http://www.gadling.com/2007/11/12/disabled-guests-sue-disney-on-segway-ban/_ > <http://www.gadling.com/2007/11/12/disabled-guests-sue-disney-on-segway-ban/_> Why do you say that? From what I read in the article, I don't see what's ridiculous. If a person person with a disability needs and uses a Segway to cover long distances. Which seems particularly likely at an amusement park like Disney World. Why shouldn't they be allowed to use their chosen assistive device? Not everyone wants to use a wheelchair, especially if they can walk some. Disney says its because Segways can go as fast as 12 mph. I know power wheelchairs that can go that fast. IMHO The lawsuit isn't obviously ridiculous. -- Guy W. San Leandro, CA http://www.xango.org http://stonebender.livejournal.com/ " I have no discernible guilt about having het privilege. I have it, but it's not my fault that I do. It is, however, my perception that I'm responsible for trying to spread the privilege around a bit. " — Serene Vannoy, on being out as bi, poly and atheist A FEW RULES * The list members come from many backgrounds, ages and beliefs So all members most be tolerant and respectful to all members. * Some adult language and topics (like sexual health, swearing..) may occur occasionally in emails. Over use of inappropriate language will not be allowed. If your under 16 ask your parents/gaurdian before you join the list. * No SPAMMING or sending numerous emails unrelated to the topics of spinal muscular atrophy, health, and the daily issues of the disabled. Post message: Subscribe: -subscribe Unsubscribe: -unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Jenifer, this narrow fat-phobic judgment (yes, it is fat-phobic) is truly ignorant and offensive. Please stop. Your problems with your family is not a valid excuse to discount the accessibility needs of a whole group of people with a physical difference from your own who have just as much right to get around as you or I do. Should we deny access to the quadruplegics who became disabled because they were driving drunk when they smashed into a tree? How about withholding medication from all Type II diabetics and people with high blood pressure because of a lifetime of poor food and limited exercise? Should we label fat people's foreheads to separate those with what you deem to be legitimate reasons to be fat from those who you decide are not legitimate reasons?...Maybe use a gold star? You bring great stuff to this community, but please take this bigoted crap elsewhere. Alana > > > > These kind of lawsuits are getting ridiculous. > > > _http://www.gadling.com/2007/11/12/disabled-guests-sue-disney-on- segway-ban/_ > > > <http://www.gadling.com/2007/11/12/disabled-guests-sue-disney-on- segway-ban/_> > > Why do you say that? From what I read in the article, I don't see > what's > ridiculous. If a person person with a disability needs and uses a > Segway > to cover long distances. Which seems particularly likely at an > amusement > park like Disney World. Why shouldn't they be allowed to use their > chosen assistive device? Not everyone wants to use a wheelchair, > especially if they can walk some. Disney says its because Segways can > go > as fast as 12 mph. I know power wheelchairs that can go that fast. IMHO > > The lawsuit isn't obviously ridiculous. > > -- > > Guy W. > San Leandro, CA > http://www.xango.org http://stonebender.livejournal.com/ > > " I have no discernible guilt about having het privilege. I have it, but > > it's not my fault that I do. It is, however, my perception that I'm > responsible for trying to spread the privilege around a bit. " > — Serene Vannoy, on being out as bi, poly and atheist > > > > > A FEW RULES > > * The list members come from many backgrounds, ages and beliefs So all > members most be tolerant and respectful to all members. > > * Some adult language and topics (like sexual health, swearing..) may > occur occasionally in emails. Over use of inappropriate language will > not be allowed. If your under 16 ask your parents/gaurdian before you > join the list. > > * No SPAMMING or sending numerous emails unrelated to the topics of > spinal muscular atrophy, health, and the daily issues of the disabled. > > Post message: > Subscribe: -subscribe > Unsubscribe: -unsubscribe > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 And, I personally know more than a dozen people who can stand fine but have difficulty walking. The only reason they don't have Segways is because insurance companies don't pay for mobility devices unless they manufactured, marketed, and over-priced as " medical. " One of my most useful adaptive devices is a bamboo backscratcher. Good thing it was only a $1.79. If Blue Cross had any say they'd buy me a $400 prosthetic device that wouldn't work for me. Let us disabled people ourselves decide what works best for us please. Your child needs that same latitude. We're all in this together, even if were fat. As a non- disabled parent you're either an ally to the disability community/movement, or only one to your kid while their a kid (it doesn't help so much if you're not an ally to the movement once they're adults and can't get a job). Alana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Segways can be used by mall cops who have way less space distance to cover and {usally} don't need to use mobility ads because of a disability- so whay not a patron of an amusement park? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Jenifer, I'd like to thank and agree with Alana's eloquent response to your post. Jenifer Woody wrote: > I think what makes it ridiculous is the fact that some of the > " disabled " people filing the lawsuits are IMHO not really disabled, > but are looking to make a quick $$$ by complaining about something > that is not really a problem. Let me make myself sound terribly > insensitive now and say that I DO NOT believe that a person allowing > themselves to get to 500lbs should qualify them as disabled. If there > is a PROVEN medical issue that has caused the weight gain then that > would be the disability, but not the weight itself. I don't see how > riding around on a scooter or segway all day is going to help those > people at all. Before anyone gets too upset with me, I have formed > this opinion after watching most of my family become morbidly obese. > It's not a fat phobic thing. I also don't grasp the concept of a > segway being used as an assistive device. Am I incorrect in thinking > that you have to stand to use those? How much can you really " need " > it if you can stand for hours at a time? > > Love and Hugs Jeni > > > > Re: Disney being sued > > > DeTannous@... wrote: > > These kind of lawsuits are getting ridiculous. > > > _http://www.gadling.com/2007/11/12/disabled-guests-sue-disney-on-segway-ban/_ > > <http://www.gadling.com/2007/11/12/disabled-guests-sue-disney-on-segway-ban/_> > > > Why do you say that? From what I read in the article, I don't see > what's ridiculous. If a person person with a disability needs and > uses a Segway to cover long distances. Which seems particularly > likely at an amusement park like Disney World. Why shouldn't they be > allowed to use their chosen assistive device? Not everyone wants to > use a wheelchair, especially if they can walk some. Disney says its > because Segways can go as fast as 12 mph. I know power wheelchairs > that can go that fast. IMHO > > The lawsuit isn't obviously ridiculous. > -- Guy W. San Leandro, CA http://www.xango.org http://stonebender.livejournal.com/ " I have no discernible guilt about having het privilege. I have it, but it's not my fault that I do. It is, however, my perception that I'm responsible for trying to spread the privilege around a bit. " — Serene Vannoy, on being out as bi, poly and atheist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Yes, I am angry about judgments about who's disabled vs. who is not. That is my point. I don't think an organization such as Disney World should be charged with deciding who needs to exercise vs. who's fat or disabled enough to be allowed to use a Segway. You questioned the legitimacy of whether or not people some people are truly disabled. Gosh, let's not question when someone says they are. So many people have been hurt by this, fat or not. Alana > > > > > > These kind of lawsuits are getting ridiculous. > > > > > _http://www.gadling. com/2007/ 11/12/disabled- guests-sue- disney- on- > segway-ban/_ > > > > > <http://www.gadling. com/2007/ 11/12/disabled- guests-sue- disney- on- > segway-ban/_ > > > > > Why do you say that? From what I read in the article, I don't see > > what's > > ridiculous. If a person person with a disability needs and uses a > > Segway > > to cover long distances. Which seems particularly likely at an > > amusement > > park like Disney World. Why shouldn't they be allowed to use their > > chosen assistive device? Not everyone wants to use a wheelchair, > > especially if they can walk some. Disney says its because Segways > can > > go > > as fast as 12 mph. I know power wheelchairs that can go that fast. > IMHO > > > > The lawsuit isn't obviously ridiculous. > > > > -- > > > > Guy W. > > San Leandro, CA > > http://www.xango. org http://stonebender. livejournal. com/ > > > > " I have no discernible guilt about having het privilege. I have it, > but > > > > it's not my fault that I do. It is, however, my perception that I'm > > responsible for trying to spread the privilege around a bit. " > > — Serene Vannoy, on being out as bi, poly and atheist > > > > > > > > > > A FEW RULES > > > > * The list members come from many backgrounds, ages and beliefs So > all > > members most be tolerant and respectful to all members. > > > > * Some adult language and topics (like sexual health, swearing..) > may > > occur occasionally in emails. Over use of inappropriate language > will > > not be allowed. If your under 16 ask your parents/gaurdian before > you > > join the list. > > > > * No SPAMMING or sending numerous emails unrelated to the topics of > > spinal muscular atrophy, health, and the daily issues of the > disabled. > > > > Post message: @gro ups.com > > Subscribe: -subscrib egroups (DOT) com > > Unsubscribe: -unsubscr ibegroups (DOT) com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 You misunderstand me. I said you have obviously chosen to be an ally to your daughter. You're a great advocate. I'm hoping you take the next step and be an ally to the larger disability community. Doing this will promote a more tolerant society and better opportunities for your daughter in her future. The large disability includes people who can stand fine but cannot walk far for any number of reasons, including SMA III, back injuries, chronic illnesses, and yes, being fat. A disability is defined as being a physical and/or mental condition which restricts one or more daily activities. Walking is one of those activities. Yes, we have an epidemic of obesity, but denying access to an amusemement park because some think fat people should be working out instead of enjoying a day out with family and friends is wrong to me. Encourage people to eat well, exercise, and work with their health care providers on their weight problems as they choose. Don't deny access. Alana > > This is just a low blow and I won't respond except to say that I know, and everyone who really knows me knows that I have never been anything BUT an advocate for my child. It is NOT right to question my level of advocacy for her. Leave my child out of this. > > Love and Hugs > Jeni > > > > > Re: Disney being sued > > And, I personally know more than a dozen people who can stand fine but > have difficulty walking. The only reason they don't have Segways is > because insurance companies don't pay for mobility devices unless they > manufactured, marketed, and over-priced as " medical. " One of my most > useful adaptive devices is a bamboo backscratcher. Good thing it was > only a $1.79. If Blue Cross had any say they'd buy me a $400 > prosthetic device that wouldn't work for me. Let us disabled people > ourselves decide what works best for us please. Your child needs that > same latitude. We're all in this together, even if were fat. As a non- > disabled parent you're either an ally to the disability > community/movement, or only one to your kid while their a kid (it > doesn't help so much if you're not an ally to the movement once they're > adults and can't get a job). > > Alana > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 all " motorized conveyance " which some places have tried to do. Do you not think that there has to be some limit on what people can choose to call an assistive device? What about 4-wheelers or golf carts? Should those be allowed? No, I don't think what people choose to use as assistive devices should be limited. Golf carts are regularly used to transport seniors and people with disabilities in airports and amusement parks. People's behavior should be monitored. I've been injured 3 ties at amusemet arks by baby strollers...And they weren't being pushed by obnoxious teenagers, but oblivious or impatient parents. I wouldn't suggest banning strollers. Anyone who's seen or used a 21st Century wheelchair conversion knows they go upwards of 18 mph. On campus and in the cities around here people who have used their wheelchairs recklessly have indeed been charged appropriately. A client of mine was charged with assault for rmming a woman with his chair. A Segway is bout as fst as my chair. And it's smaller and more manoeuvrable. Bust the kids who are acting up. By the way, arguments using " the greater good " almost always exclude people with disabilities. This is how more costly health care for people with disabilities is denied when many Medicaid policies are debated. Disabled children should be allowed to die for the greater good so they are not a burden on society. It's a slippery slope. I'm sorry you feel picked on, and I apologize for my tone, though, not my content. I think you're a brilliant and generous woman and I'm glad to know you. I want you to know I feel very picked on when rights and access I've been fighting for over the last 25 years are misunderstood,under valued, or casully dismissed. While obesity itself may not be a disability, many obese people have disabilities. My friend Pandora had crushed vertebrae and permanent nerve damage from a fall. She could walk, but not far. I'd never deny her admission because she was on a Segway unless she was being reckless. And yes, I'd deny access to a wheelchair user if they were being reckless. Alana Alana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 I totally agree with you. I am Type III and I have a Segway. I use it often. I saw this question " Am I incorrect in thinking that you have to stand > to use those? How much can you really " need " it if you can stand for > hours at a time? " Well i don't stand for hours. You take breaks when needed. I have limited space in my car and can fit my segway very well. I don't qualify to have a wheelchair and a lift bought for me so this is what I use. it is fair that you may get these items paid for and I can't so I have to use something different. I can stand and I can walk. I do need help when i go to a big park though and just bc your in a wheel chair that you need doesn't mean you should decide what I need or don't need. I got a little strong worded there but it is hard to believe a disabled person would question ME if I need something. > > > > > > > > These kind of lawsuits are getting ridiculous. > > > > > > > _http://www.gadling. com/2007/ 11/12/disabled- guests-sue- disney- > on- > > segway-ban/_ > > > > > > > <http://www.gadling. com/2007/ 11/12/disabled- guests-sue- disney- > on- > > segway-ban/_ > > > > > > > Why do you say that? From what I read in the article, I don't see > > > what's > > > ridiculous. If a person person with a disability needs and uses a > > > Segway > > > to cover long distances. Which seems particularly likely at an > > > amusement > > > park like Disney World. Why shouldn't they be allowed to use > their > > > chosen assistive device? Not everyone wants to use a wheelchair, > > > especially if they can walk some. Disney says its because Segways > > can > > > go > > > as fast as 12 mph. I know power wheelchairs that can go that > fast. > > IMHO > > > > > > The lawsuit isn't obviously ridiculous. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Guy W. > > > San Leandro, CA > > > http://www.xango. org http://stonebender. livejournal. com/ > > > > > > " I have no discernible guilt about having het privilege. I have > it, > > but > > > > > > it's not my fault that I do. It is, however, my perception that > I'm > > > responsible for trying to spread the privilege around a bit. " > > > †" Serene Vannoy, on being out as bi, poly and atheist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A FEW RULES > > > > > > * The list members come from many backgrounds, ages and beliefs > So > > all > > > members most be tolerant and respectful to all members. > > > > > > * Some adult language and topics (like sexual health, swearing..) > > may > > > occur occasionally in emails. Over use of inappropriate language > > will > > > not be allowed. If your under 16 ask your parents/gaurdian before > > you > > > join the list. > > > > > > * No SPAMMING or sending numerous emails unrelated to the topics > of > > > spinal muscular atrophy, health, and the daily issues of the > > disabled. > > > > > > Post message: @gro ups.com > > > Subscribe: -subscrib egroups (DOT) com > > > Unsubscribe: -unsubscr ibegroups (DOT) com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 I was agreeing with Mitch that the segway would be great for Bryce. I also agree tat you should have some proof to offer when needed. If you were to see me out in public you would never know I have a disability. I look like a thin guy nothing more. I do have a parking permit that I rarely use but when I need it I use it. If you knew how many times I have been yelled at by people for Taking and H/C parking spot. This has happened from people quick to judge who don't know what there talking about. Yes it angers me and I sure don't expect to hear it from someone who has a disabled child. I have type III and am not as severally disabled as most with SMA but I have one just the same. When I go to private property like Disney I have no problem " proving " I need this to enjoy the park. They have huge liabilities involved. But they don't have a right to tell me what I can use to walk or charge me 30.00 extra to use there scooter. > > > > > > > > > > > > These kind of lawsuits are getting ridiculous. > > > > > > > > > > > _http://www.gadling. com/2007/ 11/12/disabled- guests-sue- > > disney- > > > on- > > > > segway-ban/_ > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.gadling. com/2007/ 11/12/disabled- guests-sue- > > disney- > > > on- > > > > segway-ban/_ > > > > > > > > > > > Why do you say that? From what I read in the article, I don't > > see > > > > > what's > > > > > ridiculous. If a person person with a disability needs and uses > > a > > > > > Segway > > > > > to cover long distances. Which seems particularly likely at an > > > > > amusement > > > > > park like Disney World. Why shouldn't they be allowed to use > > > their > > > > > chosen assistive device? Not everyone wants to use a > > wheelchair, > > > > > especially if they can walk some. Disney says its because > > Segways > > > > can > > > > > go > > > > > as fast as 12 mph. I know power wheelchairs that can go that > > > fast. > > > > IMHO > > > > > > > > > > The lawsuit isn't obviously ridiculous. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > Guy W. > > > > > San Leandro, CA > > > > > http://www.xango. org http://stonebender. livejournal. com/ > > > > > > > > > > " I have no discernible guilt about having het privilege. I have > > > it, > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > it's not my fault that I do. It is, however, my perception that > > > I'm > > > > > responsible for trying to spread the privilege around a bit. " > > > > > ⤠" Serene Vannoy, on being out as bi, poly and atheist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A FEW RULES > > > > > > > > > > * The list members come from many backgrounds, ages and beliefs > > > So > > > > all > > > > > members most be tolerant and respectful to all members. > > > > > > > > > > * Some adult language and topics (like sexual health, > > swearing..) > > > > may > > > > > occur occasionally in emails. Over use of inappropriate > > language > > > > will > > > > > not be allowed. If your under 16 ask your parents/gaurdian > > before > > > > you > > > > > join the list. > > > > > > > > > > * No SPAMMING or sending numerous emails unrelated to the > > topics > > > of > > > > > spinal muscular atrophy, health, and the daily issues of the > > > > disabled. > > > > > > > > > > Post message: @gro ups.com > > > > > Subscribe: -subscrib egroups (DOT) com > > > > > Unsubscribe: -unsubscr ibegroups (DOT) com > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Beth, Filing lawsuits under the ADA is indeed one of the few recourses that people with disabilities have to ensure access. Fortunately, about 90% of ADA suits are settled out of court...this means that solutions that were relatively agreeable to both parties were used. Filing a lawsuit isn't " nice, " but historically the greater business community has blatantly defied the ADA because the private sector does not want the government to mandate how and who they serve if that mandates that they spend private sector money to provide that sevice. KMART and UPS had to be sued to force them to provide sign language interpreters at staff meetings and trainings. But I think your post was more concerned about the tone f the posts between me, Jeni and Guy. This list is mostly very friendly and polite. That makes it difficult when we misinterpret what someone said or when we don't carefully write what we mean. It's even more difficult when we fundamentally disagree about something for which we feel a great deal of passion. Hense, people n this list are careful, polite, and minimalist when discussing religion and partisan politics. Guy & I and a handful of others on this list have been deeply involved in disability civil rights politics since the passages and implementation of our first U.S. disability civil rights laws, section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act and the Education of All Handicapped Children Act (now called Individuals with Disabilities Education Act), passed in the 70's. We are vehemently passionate about preserving and strenghtening these laws and the laws that have followed. I apologize again to Jenifer for my tone. I was too aggressive for the nature of this list. I realized something when reading one of Guy's most recent posts; we may indeed fundamentally disagree about what (I think) is the heart of this discussion. I believe that in order to prevent disability discrimination in the public, we cannot empower laypersons to determine whether or not a person is entitled to an accommodation in order to achieve equal (not special) access. As soon as we require proof of disability, discrimination is inevitable. Presently, the law agrees with me. Not all people with disabilities will have access to or need the service of an entity providing said certification. This doesn't only protect the individual, it also protects the business by disallowing that business from turning away a patron with a disability for simply not having the right card verifying the disability. (This of course does not apply to schools and employers which all have different laws specifying what types of proof can be required in order to provide an accommodation.) I would rather let a few fakers use their Segways at Disney World, than deny access to Bryce and Tom or anyone with a hidden disability who decided a Segway (or whatever device) worked best for them. I know a few people who have used wheelchairs who don't need them to cheat a system. True access requires an honor code. Some will cheat, but more will benefit. I will work harder at being more kind about my stong beliefs. I will not accept that my stong beliefs are simply " political correctness. " Alana > > Derar Jenifer, > Thank you for your reasonable and common sense approach to this discussion. > As I read along the various entries, it seems to me those in opposition to > your view are upset and looking for an outlet. I'm sorry you were the > outlet. I am disabled and have been for some time. However, I resent it > when others who are disabled are looking for an injustice to dwell on. I'm > not saying there are not injustices. I am saying let's not be so dead set > on finding them. Let's spend our effort and energy finding solutions. > Thank you. > Beth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Please don't think I am mad at you, I'm not. I know segway doesn't seem like disability EQ. I found it helps me, is easy to transport and works for me. I do think it would be easy to look at me and think there is nothing wrong. I have had to explain why I walk funny and am so weak and have only known for 4 years. There are people who are going to cheat everywhere. Although I don't appear to need help I do and it doesn't appear I take 5 pain pills a day to function but I do. My appearance can make it difficult to understand why I need them. I got yelled at and cursed at a few weeks ago for " parking " in a H/C parking spot. The lady was extremely mad at me. It was a WalMart and i would have had to park way away and I was having a real hard day and was getting a hair cut at the shop in the front. She was going to the store and using a scooter. She was over weight a lot overweight. she took a look at me and explained how she needed the spot due to her disability and if I hadn't parked there she may have been able to. she told me how lazy i was. I didn't feel the need to tell her why I had a placard but being yelled at and cursed at in front of my kids caused me to talk to her about her disability. She was able to call the police and wait for them at my car and I got my hair cut and was gone for 30 min and the police were there with her when I came out. I had to show the police my id and was asked by the lady to explain why I had a placard. I wouldn't tell Her or the police why I was issued it. That Is my business. It was a embarrassing ordeal bc I don't look disabled. She did tell me her weight was her disability. She didn't care if I had a disease. She didn't have one. It was just my appearance. That is something I wish people didn't have to deal with either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These kind of lawsuits are getting ridiculous. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _http://www.gadling. com/2007/ 11/12/disabled- guests-sue- > > > > disney- > > > > > on- > > > > > > segway-ban/_ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.gadling. com/2007/ 11/12/disabled- guests-sue- > > > > disney- > > > > > on- > > > > > > segway-ban/_ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do you say that? From what I read in the article, I don't > > > > see > > > > > > > what's > > > > > > > ridiculous. If a person person with a disability needs and > uses > > > > a > > > > > > > Segway > > > > > > > to cover long distances. Which seems particularly likely at an > > > > > > > amusement > > > > > > > park like Disney World. Why shouldn't they be allowed to use > > > > > their > > > > > > > chosen assistive device? Not everyone wants to use a > > > > wheelchair, > > > > > > > especially if they can walk some. Disney says its because > > > > Segways > > > > > > can > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > as fast as 12 mph. I know power wheelchairs that can go that > > > > > fast. > > > > > > IMHO > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The lawsuit isn't obviously ridiculous. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guy W. > > > > > > > San Leandro, CA > > > > > > > http://www.xango. org http://stonebender. livejournal. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I have no discernible guilt about having het privilege. I > have > > > > > it, > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's not my fault that I do. It is, however, my perception > that > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > responsible for trying to spread the privilege around a bit. " > > > > > > > ⤠" Serene Vannoy, on being out as bi, poly and atheist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A FEW RULES > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * The list members come from many backgrounds, ages and > beliefs > > > > > So > > > > > > all > > > > > > > members most be tolerant and respectful to all members. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Some adult language and topics (like sexual health, > > > > swearing..) > > > > > > may > > > > > > > occur occasionally in emails. Over use of inappropriate > > > > language > > > > > > will > > > > > > > not be allowed. If your under 16 ask your parents/gaurdian > > > > before > > > > > > you > > > > > > > join the list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * No SPAMMING or sending numerous emails unrelated to the > > > > topics > > > > > of > > > > > > > spinal muscular atrophy, health, and the daily issues of the > > > > > > disabled. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Post message: @gro ups.com > > > > > > > Subscribe: -subscrib egroups (DOT) com > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: -unsubscr ibegroups (DOT) com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Actually on my cruise last month there was a guy with an amputated leg who used a segway to get around and he carried his crutches along for the ride... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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