Re: How old is the first group of autistic children?

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My son was born in 1998 and received Hep B at birth, even worse he was born 7 weeks early and he got that crap in his tiny 4 lb. 5oz. body!!

Sorry-got a little anger goin' today!

Becky

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If you mean in the generation of the epidemic numbers, those dxd since 1990

would be a round guess, given that the Hg vaccines started in earnest in

1988.

How old is the " first group " of autistic children?

Can anyone tell me the present age and what should be the appropriate

grade level of the children who were first classified as autistic?

I'm asking about the year it became obvious autism was growing rapidly

and that many children were being affected.

My example is my grandson, age 9, born 1996, and in third grade. Is he

among the first group? Thanks to chelation, he is functioning well

today, and his future looks brighter than it did when he was two and

lived in another world.

T

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really, the Hep b was added at birth in 1991... so probably those kids...

BUT my son was in born 1996 too, and in OUR school district... it appears

that he is the first one.

You would expect to see acouple ahead of him --there are a couple.. but hit

and miss.

kids younger than Gavin --those classes, have more and more autie kids

How old is the " first group " of autistic children?

> Can anyone tell me the present age ...

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My 1st was born in 1998 and my 2nd was born in 1999. Both got the Hep B within 1

hr of birth, but like you, my 2nd son came one month early with slight jaundice

and

they still gave it to him. He is more severely afflicted than my older son.

I can understand your anger!

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> Becky

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I don't remember my daughter born in '97 getting the hepb at birth. I

wonder if it was given in all 50 states at that time?

Debi

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That's an interesting question. Mine were born in Anchorage, Alaska. I know that

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common practice there for almost 10 years.

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Here in Toronto, Ontario, Canada, some children received the hep B vaccine shortly after birth, while others were not even offered it during the late 1980's and in the 1990's. My children's pediatrician never even mentioned that vaccine to me, and it was not given at birth right after my children were born. My 5 kids were born in 3 different hospitals in various parts of Toronto between 1988 and 1995. The latter 3 were all born in the same downtown hospital, near where I live and presently teach. It surprised me last year, to learn that between 2/3 to 3/4 of my Grade 1/2 students had received the hep B vaccines as infants. Some of them were born in other countries (some in China) but many of the kids who received these early hep B shots, were born right here in Toronto. I could not understand why these children were given the hep B shots, while my younger children, who were born around the same time, were not even offered these vaccines, and we all

lived in the same area. A few months ago, I learned from another teacher, that these children may have received hep B vaccines at such a young age as a precaution, because many people from Asia are carriers of hep B, even if they don't exhibit symptoms. I don't know whether or not this is true, but it left me wondering about the possible effects the hep B vaccine may have had on my students of that year, and even upon some of their older siblings. Last school year, I spent time digging through my students' school records, to look up their vaccine records (how many teachers feel compelled do that, I wonder?). It seemed that many of the kids who were having the most difficulty with school subjects (especially reading and writing) and with behavior, had had these hep B shots as infants (plus various other shots, like BCG, and others we don't usually mention here),

and/or were getting yearly flu shots, which still contain mercury here in Toronto. I found with my last year's Grade 1/2 class, that there was a small group who were reading above grade level, another even smaller group reading at grade level, and most (over 1/2) of the class were reading way below grade level, no matter how much extra help I tried to give or enlist for them, in the way of volunteers to read with them. Their current teachers are finding that these children are doing about the same, i.e., the ones who were struggling last year, are still struggling this year (and it turns out that they were also the ones who even had the most difficulty in Kindergarten). Most of this group of kids would have had their hep B shots in 1998 (or earlier, for the Grade 2's), before 1999, when thimerosal-free hep B shots supposedly became available in Canada and in the States (if they ever did). I also

dug through the vaccine records of some of the older siblings of my last year's students, and found out that a good many of them had also had hep B vaccines as infants. A good number of them also have various attentional and language/speech related problems. I have been teaching Grades SK (Senior Kindergarten)/1/2 at the same school for the past 6 1/2 years, and find that there seems to be a too high percentage of youngsters each year, who seem destined for special education services. I cannot help but wonder about what role the vaccinations my students had as youngsters, may play in the difficulties they are currently experiencing or may have experienced in the past. Aasa King <medfordkings1@...> wrote: That's an interesting question. Mine were born in Anchorage,

Alaska. I know that was common practice there for almost 10 years.>> I don't remember my daughter born in '97 getting the hepb at birth. I> wonder if it was given in all 50 states at that time?> > Debi>

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My kids, born in 1998, 1999, and 2001, didn't get the hep b at birth.

They were either 2 wks. old or 1 or 2 months old. We are in IL.

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My child born in NC, 1999 got hep. B at birth. AM

Re: How old is the " first group " of autistic children?

My kids, born in 1998, 1999, and 2001, didn't get the hep b at birth.

They were either 2 wks. old or 1 or 2 months old. We are in IL.

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Ya know, I think you've stumbled on to a fascinating study. You could

do a double-blind having teachers rate individual student's behavior,

then another person look up shot records and compare. Perhaps here is

where some more fantastic epidemiological evidence could come forth.

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I wish, Debi, I wish we could do that, would our school board allow such a study?.... It was freaky enough finding out that so many of these little kids had had hep B when they were even younger, when they were babies. AasaDebi <fightingautism@...> wrote: Ya know, I think you've stumbled on to a fascinating study. You coulddo a double-blind having teachers rate individual student's behavior,then another person look up shot records and compare. Perhaps here iswhere some more fantastic epidemiological evidence could come forth.Debi>

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in WA state all children that I know of were given Hep B in 1998...

my " informed consent " must have happened while I was recovering from

an emergency C-section for my transverse breech son?

I read it on the records after they did it. The nurse then spent the

next 24 hours trying to wake my floppy, sleepy baby- like she

thought he might stop breathing. I did not connect the dots then,

but they were very BIG dots to connect later on...for sure...

Tami

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Diagnosed in 1930. My son is 25.

Barb

How old is the " first group " of autistic children?

> Can anyone tell me the present age and what should be the appropriate

> grade level of the children who were first classified as autistic?

> I'm asking about the year it became obvious autism was growing rapidly

> and that many children were being affected.

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> My example is my grandson, age 9, born 1996, and in third grade. Is he

> among the first group? Thanks to chelation, he is functioning well

> today, and his future looks brighter than it did when he was two and

> lived in another world.

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It was the same situation here; both births were by emergency c-section because

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were breech. I chose to be awake during the surgery, but only got a glance at

them

before they were wisked away and I was pumped full of Demoral. When I woke up

they

had already been jabed. My younger son's problems were immediately apparent. It

was 2 months before he was able to have a BM on his own without a suppository

and

he cried incessantly. We thought it was colic, but now I believe it was due to

inflammation, etc. from the Hep B.

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I don't know exactly when they started recommending HepB and whether

or not it occurred in all states...I do remember that it was the 1996-

97 class (for 3 year old sped preschoolers) in our part of Washington

state that was the " burst " of autistic preschoolers. Prior to that

time I could recall maybe just a couple within the whole district and

then suddenly we had three in our preschool, in the morning class.

And the tide hasn't slowed down since then... So these were kids born

in 1993. I am sure one of them was a rhogam baby, whether or not he

had hepB at birth or during the first six months, I'm not sure--I'd

have to ask his mom.

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> Can anyone tell me the present age and what should be the

appropriate

> grade level of the children who were first classified as autistic?

> I'm asking about the year it became obvious autism was growing

rapidly

> and that many children were being affected.

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> My example is my grandson, age 9, born 1996, and in third grade. Is

he

> among the first group? Thanks to chelation, he is functioning well

> today, and his future looks brighter than it did when he was two and

> lived in another world.

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> T

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My son was born in 1991. He recieved the HepB shot on the first day of his life. I have since met relatives of four different boys born at that Ontario community hospital within the a year of my son's birth. I also found out that there were a total of 313 births that year at that hospital. Hmmm- 4 out of 313 births....that is one in 78.25 children -- and those four boys are just the children that I know of -- there may be more as I have only a few of the parents of people with children born that year there. Of note -- my son was "stiff" as a newborn -- didn't have the fluid movement that my other children had as newborns -- even his face was "stiff." He made a terrible noise when he nursed as well. None of my other kids did that - and they don;t have autism, and they didn't get the HepB shot. Anyone else see this in their babies? King <medfordkings1@...> wrote: That's an interesting question. Mine were born in Anchorage, Alaska. I know that was common practice there for almost 10 years. > > I don't remember my daughter born in '97 getting the hepb at birth. I > wonder if it was given in all 50 states at that time? > > Debi >

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I think that was the year in Ontario they started using the hepB shot on newborns. I will check into this unless any already knows the answer to this. ~nm nwvwm <nwvwm@...> wrote:My son was born in 1991. He recieved the HepB shot on the first day of his life. I have since met relatives of four different boys born at that Ontario community hospital within the a year of my son's birth. I also found out that there were a total of 313 births that year at that hospital. Hmmm- 4 out of 313 births....that is one in 78.25 children -- and those four boys are just the children that I know of -- there may be more as I have only a few of the parents of people with children born that year there. Of note -- my son was "stiff" as a newborn -- didn't have the fluid movement that my other children

had as newborns -- even his face was "stiff." He made a terrible noise when he nursed as well. None of my other kids did that - and they don;t have autism, and they didn't get the HepB shot. Anyone else see this in their babies? King <medfordkings1@...> wrote: That's an interesting question. Mine were born in Anchorage, Alaska. I know that was common practice there for almost 10 years. > > I don't remember my daughter born in '97 getting the hepb at birth. I > wonder if it was given in all 50 states at that time? > > Debi > Enrich your life

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My son was born in 1991 in NH. He rec'd some immunizations there. I breastfed for six weeks and moved to another state. Upon doing so I had to stop breastfeeding. I noticed there had been a change in his behavior but couldn't put my finger on exactly when. He couldn't bear to be held. It was so bad that we couldn't snuggle him while bottle feeding him and often had to prop the bottle because it was necessary to get him to eat. He would do that stiff as a board, back arched, rigid stance and fuss up a storm. At the time I blamed the transition from breast to bottle and the upheaval in our lives brought by the move cross country. But later I questioned if it wasn't related to his vaccinations. this was reinforced when when I later found out the hospital ran blood tests on all newborns born at that time, my son included, to see what percentage were born HIV+. These tests were performed without consent, and

the parents were never informed of the results. Even when they were positive. It was strictly for statistical purposes. Learning that made it even easier to accept that the vaccines could have caused harm. If a government can order tests on your child without your permission - in the name of public health - then they are certainly capable of poisoning them with mercury for the same reason.nwvwm <nwvwm@...> wrote: My son was born in 1991. He recieved the HepB shot on the first day of his life. I have since met relatives of four different boys born at that Ontario community hospital within the a year of my son's birth. I also found out that there were a total of 313 births that year at that hospital. Hmmm- 4 out of 313 births....that is one in 78.25 children -- and those four boys are just

the children that I know of -- there may be more as I have only a few of the parents of people with children born that year there. Of note -- my son was "stiff" as a newborn -- didn't have the fluid movement that my other children had as newborns -- even his face was "stiff." He made a terrible noise when he nursed as well. None of my other kids did that - and they don;t have autism, and they didn't get the HepB shot. Anyone else see this in their babies? King <medfordkings1@...> wrote: That's an interesting question. Mine were born in Anchorage, Alaska. I know that was common practice there for almost 10 years. > > I don't remember my daughter born in

'97 getting the hepb at birth. I > wonder if it was given in all 50 states at that time? > > Debi > Enrich your life at Canada Finance

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You know I had forgotten about the here's your hat, what's your hurry push from the hospitals back then, My son was born in 1994. I wonder how many doctors vaccinated a baby who was born in distress or early etc. right away because the child was being sent home vs where they would have waited a day or so if not so rushed. I had my son after two days of labor at 5:20 pm. because it was before 6pm the medical insurance considered that the first day and I was supposed to be discharged by 1pm the following day not even 24 hours after birth.. I couldn't believe it, that was such an assine policy. Fortunately I had a doctor who knew what to do to keep me there a day or so longer and my son developed jaundice by 4pm that day. He had to be under the bili lights for two days. If not for my doctor, I would have been home with the baby and wouldn't have had a clue he was jaundice.

In a message dated 3/14/2006 11:25:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, EOHarm writes:

My daughter born in 1995 the year of the drive by deliveries 94/95, when a mom only got 24 hours total in the hospital, I believe those two years have the highest amount of special ed kids, nearly all were vaccinated with hep b within hours of birth, (thankfully my doc said no, but if one was unlucky enough to not have a ped to say no, your child was the sacrificial lamb) and got the first dose of merc coursing thru their little bodies. Her class, and the one above her now so 5th and 6th grade children, have more kids with learning issues than the school district has ever witnessed. My daughter is in a class of 22 of "NT" kids and they need 1 teacher and 2 assistants, and two kids with shadows. So that is 5 adults/teachers for 22 kids. These kids are supposedly NT but by far now way are they NT by any stretch of the imagination.

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for member from Ontario.

I had 1 hr radio in terview with Toronto Star's radio subsidiary in oct.2004.

subject, vaccines, mercury,

meuologic diseases including autism. I KMOW THEY TAPED it, and would probably give you a copy if

asked.

Sincerely,

H.H. Fudenberg, M.D., D.D.G., I.O.M.

226 Edgewater Road

Inman, SC 29349

864-592-8076

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From: nwvwm <nwvwm@...>Reply-EOHarm To: EOHarm Subject: Re: Re: How old is the "first group" of autistic children?Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 23:07:58 -0500 (EST)I think that was the year in Ontario they started using the hepB shot on newborns.I will check into this unless any already knows the answer to this.~nmnwvwm <nwvwm@...> wrote:

My son was born in 1991. He recieved the HepB shot on the first day of his life. I have since met relatives of four different boys born at that Ontario community hospital within the a year of my son's birth. I also found out that there were a total of 313 births that year at that hospital.Hmmm- 4 out of 313 births....that is one in 78.25 children -- and those four boys are just the children that I know of -- there may be more as I have only a few of the parents of people with children born that year there.Of note -- my son was "stiff" as a newborn -- didn't have the fluid movement that my other children had as newborns -- even his face was "stiff." He made a terrible noise when he nursed as well. None of my other kids did that - and they don;t have autism, and they didn't get the HepB shot.Anyone else see this in their babies? King <medfordkings1@...> wrote:

That's an interesting question. Mine were born in Anchorage, Alaska. I know that was common practice there for almost 10 years.>> I don't remember my daughter born in '97 getting the hepb at birth. I> wonder if it was given in all 50 states at that time?> > Debi>

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My daughter born in 1995 the year of the drive by deliveries 94/95,

when a mom only got 24 hours total in the hospital, I believe those

two years have the highest amount of special ed kids, nearly all were

vaccinated with hep b within hours of birth, (thankfully my doc said

no, but if one was unlucky enough to not have a ped to say no, your

child was the sacrificial lamb) and got the first dose of merc

coursing thru their little bodies. Her class, and the one above her

now so 5th and 6th grade children, have more kids with learning

issues than the school district has ever witnessed. My daughter is in

a class of 22 of " NT " kids and they need 1 teacher and 2 assistants,

and two kids with shadows. So that is 5 adults/teachers for 22 kids.

These kids are supposedly NT but by far now way are they NT by any

stretch of the imagination.

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dangers of hep. B vaccine see Internat.J. Clin. Imvest 13, Dec 2005

incerely,

H.H. Fudenberg, M.D., D.D.G., I.O.M.

226 Edgewater Road

Inman, SC 29349

864-592-8076

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From: "deverelementary" <kearneysix@...>Reply-EOHarm To: EOHarm Subject: Re: How old is the "first group" of autistic children?Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:00:36 -0000My daughter born in 1995 the year of the drive by deliveries 94/95, when a mom only got 24 hours total in the hospital, I believe those two years have the highest amount of special ed kids, nearly all were vaccinated with hep b within hours of birth, (thankfully my doc said no, but if one was unlucky enough to not have a ped to say no, your child was the sacrificial lamb) and got the first dose of merc coursing thru their little bodies. Her class, and the one above her now so 5th and 6th grade children, have more kids with learning issues than the school district has ever witnessed. My daughter is in a class of 22 of "NT" kids and they need 1 teacher and 2 assistants, and two kids with shadows. So that is 5 adults/teachers for 22 kids. These kids are supposedly NT but by far now way are they NT by any stretch of the imagination.> >> > I don't remember my daughter born in '97 getting the hepb at birth. I> > wonder if it was given in all 50 states at that time?> > > > Debi> >> > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Enrich your life at Canada Finance > >

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My son was born in 1980.

Barb

Re: Re: How old is the "first group" of autistic children?

I think that was the year in Ontario they started using the hepB shot on newborns.I will check into this unless any already knows the answer to this.~nmnwvwm <nwvwm@...> wrote:

My son was born in 1991. He recieved the HepB shot on the first day of his life. I have since met relatives of four different boys born at that Ontario community hospital within the a year of my son's birth. I also found out that there were a total of 313 births that year at that hospital.Hmmm- 4 out of 313 births....that is one in 78.25 children -- and those four boys are just the children that I know of -- there may be more as I have only a few of the parents of people with children born that year there.Of note -- my son was "stiff" as a newborn -- didn't have the fluid movement that my other children had as newborns -- even his face was "stiff." He made a terrible noise when he nursed as well. None of my other kids did that - and they don;t have autism, and they didn't get the HepB shot.Anyone else see this in their babies? King <medfordkings1@...> wrote:

That's an interesting question. Mine were born in Anchorage, Alaska. I know that was common practice there for almost 10 years.>> I don't remember my daughter born in '97 getting the hepb at birth. I> wonder if it was given in all 50 states at that time?> > Debi>

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Did you perhaps get Rhogam or vaccines prior to his birth. If so, did you nurse him?

From: "jromkema" <jromkema@...>Reply-EOHarm To: <EOHarm >Subject: Re: Re: How old is the "first group" of autistic children?Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:43:31 -0600

My son was born in 1980.

Barb

Re: Re: How old is the "first group" of autistic children?

I think that was the year in Ontario they started using the hepB shot on newborns.I will check into this unless any already knows the answer to this.~nmnwvwm <nwvwm@...> wrote:

My son was born in 1991. He recieved the HepB shot on the first day of his life. I have since met relatives of four different boys born at that Ontario community hospital within the a year of my son's birth. I also found out that there were a total of 313 births that year at that hospital.Hmmm- 4 out of 313 births....that is one in 78.25 children -- and those four boys are just the children that I know of -- there may be more as I have only a few of the parents of people with children born that year there.Of note -- my son was "stiff" as a newborn -- didn't have the fluid movement that my other children had as newborns -- even his face was "stiff." He made a terrible noise when he nursed as well. None of my other kids did that - and they don;t have autism, and they didn't get the HepB shot.Anyone else see this in their babies? King <medfordkings1@...> wrote:

That's an interesting question. Mine were born in Anchorage, Alaska. I know that was common practice there for almost 10 years.>> I don't remember my daughter born in '97 getting the hepb at birth. I> wonder if it was given in all 50 states at that time?> > Debi>

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