RE: legal/employement/vaccine Q...need help

[Guest guest]

I don't think they make a Hg free monovalent tetanus.

What state are you in? Contact NVIC at www.909shots.com, they will probably know what to do in your state.

Heidi

From: " M. Webster" <jwebs94@...>Reply-EOHarm To: "ASD Solutions" <asd_solutions >,"EOH List" <EOHarm >Subject: legal/employement/vaccine Q...need helpDate: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:19:33 -0500

I am supposed to go to my work physical Friday at 230.

They tell me I have to get a tetnus booster (last was '93) as a condition of my employement.

I said I would ONLY consider it if it is thimerosal free --the nurse assured me it will be b/c they stopped making those (lol, so I educated her a bit) She says she will make a note --but I told her not even a "trace"

ANYWAY... the point it,

I do not want any shot. mercury free or not.

FIRST: if I go ahead and get it, how does that look for the religious exemptions I have for my boys? Won't that weaken my position

SECOND: is this legal? CAN THEY bar me from employement if I refuse? Can I use a religious exemption too?

My plan is --since I know damn well they do not have any Hg free, I will hand a letter explaining my exemption, and type up my own sort of disclaimer taking responsibilty should I suffer for my choice and something stating that I will not get a Td shot UNLESS exposed to tetnus.

That could buy me some time, but I doubt they will bend. There were other applicants.

So what are my LEGAL rights on this?

anyone know or know who I could contact.

Any other time I wouldn't think twice about turning down the job, but its quite a salary jump and I really SHOULD take the job to help pay for Gavin's therapies.

thanks,

[Guest guest]

I have had a few tetanus vaccinations as an adult (and also an "unscheduled" one when I was in grade 7 or 8, many moons ago, when I was bitten by a mouse which I tried to rescue from a cat...God knows why I attempted that??). Anyway, I believe that at least one of the last 2 tetanus shots which I received, one in 1984 and another in 1997 also contained the Diptheria vaccine. I do vaguely recall one of those doctors telling me that the only tetanus vaccine they had came combined with diptheria vaccine. I had forgotten all about the vaccination I had received in 1997, until a few weeks ago, when I came upon a little yellow folded vaccination record in my drawer. I thought it was one of my children's vaccination records but was surprised to find my own name on it! At first, I couldn't recall why I would have been getting any vaccine back then, but then remembered that it was likely around the

time I got a nasty infection in my leg after having an accident in the kitchen when a casserole dish fell out of the fridge and pieces of it lodged in my leg.(P.S., It is not a good idea to stack corning ware cookware covered with plastic wrap one on top of another...if you try to remove the dish at the top, the others may follow, in quick succession, if one does not lift the top dish high enough to separate it from the others). I have no idea how much thimerosal may have been in those vaccines. When I found my latest vaccination record, I felt surprised and taken aback, thinking that there was no way I would have agreed to having that vaccine if I had known then what I know now. Aasa (P.S., My experience with this was years ago...hopefully, now, more of these vaccines are available in monovalent form and without thimerosal, if people need to take them for whatever reason. Just for the record, I did

come down with all sorts of allergies and/or chemical sensitivities, and unexplained problems after receiving travel vaccinations for going to Peru back in 1984. I was fine when I was there, but after I returned to Alberta, Canada, my health sufferred and I could no longer tolerate chemicals which I had been working with for years as a bookbinder. Obviously, I cannot prove anything, but I can't help but wonder how much the vaccines I received prior to my trip to Peru made life more difficult for me healthwise, after I returned from my short trip. Later, I realized that I did not really need to get the vaccines I did to visit Peru. They may have been recommended but they were not compulsory. Aasa elevatordance <elevatordance@...> wrote: I don't think they make a Hg free monovalent tetanus. What state are you in? Contact NVIC at www.909shots.com, they will probably know what to do in your state. Heidi From: " M. Webster" <jwebs94@...>Reply-EOHarm To: "ASD Solutions" <asd_solutions >,"EOH List" <EOHarm >Subject: legal/employement/vaccine Q...need helpDate: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:19:33 -0500 I am supposed to go to my work physical Friday at 230. They tell me I have to get a tetnus booster (last was '93) as a condition of my employement. I said I would ONLY consider it if it is thimerosal free --the nurse assured me it will be b/c they stopped making those (lol, so I educated her a bit) She says she will make a note --but I told her not even a "trace" ANYWAY... the point it, I do not want any shot. mercury free or not. FIRST: if I go ahead and get it, how does that look for the religious exemptions I have for my boys? Won't that weaken my position SECOND: is this legal? CAN THEY bar me from employement if I refuse? Can I use a religious exemption

too? My plan is --since I know damn well they do not have any Hg free, I will hand a letter explaining my exemption, and type up my own sort of disclaimer taking responsibilty should I suffer for my choice and something stating that I will not get a Td shot UNLESS exposed to tetnus. That could buy me some time, but I doubt they will bend. There were other applicants. So what are my LEGAL rights on this? anyone know or know who I could contact. Any other time I wouldn't think twice about turning down the job, but its quite a salary jump and I really SHOULD take the

job to help pay for Gavin's therapies. thanks,

[Guest guest]

If it is true that there is no thimerosal free version of tetanus

then it SHOULD be easy. Couldn't you just tell them that you

are " allergic " to thimerosal? Personally, I wouldn't consider that

lying at all. Also, I don't see why the same religious exemption idea

couldn't work for you... Religious beliefs are religious beliefs,

right?

- Sue M.

[Guest guest]

Even the CDC lists only two vaccine sheets. Tetanus-diphtheria(Td) and

DtaP. No monovalent tetanus.

Sanofi Pasteur site says they make one, but I know someone who called them

last week and they had NO stock and none in production.

http://www.vaccineplace.com/products

GSK site says they only make a combo vaccine.

Isn't it against your religion to get a vaccine that you don't need?????

[Guest guest]

Correct, Tetnus comes package with Diphteria.

But thimerosal or not, T or Td...

either way, I don't want it.

It is most certainly against my " religion "

But I need to know if I have any standing here to refuse it and still be

allowed to work there.

Specifically are there any laws protecting me? It is a private hospital --if

they want to demand all their workers be up to date on vaccines, is the

answer, " To bad, so sad... you either vax or we take back our offer to hire

you " and I am out of options.

OR Am I looking at some sort of employement right violation.

I don't get it you know... They do not make us get a flu vax... why the big

deal over tetnus...

I still do not know what I plan to do yet.

But I just want all the info so I am armed!

----- Original Message -----

> Even the CDC lists only two vaccine sheets. Tetanus-diphtheria(Td) and

> DtaP. No monovalent tetanus.

>

[Guest guest]

I am no expert by any means, and

of all vaccines, it would seem that tetanus would definitely be one I would

take (as an adult).

That said, if I were going to refuse,

I might use an argument based on the premise that while many vaccines (e.g.,

chicken pox, flu, Hep B etc.) can be " justified " by their (at

least theoretical) protection of others from a contagion that an non-immunized

later infected person could transmit to others. That is not the case

with tetanus. Its protection is only to the recipient. Don't

know if that helps...

Best wishes.

Alice

" M. Webster "

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Q...need help

Correct, Tetnus comes package with Diphteria.

But thimerosal or not, T or Td...

either way, I don't want it.

It is most certainly against my " religion "

But I need to know if I have any standing here to refuse it and still be

allowed to work there.

Specifically are there any laws protecting me? It is a private hospital

--if

they want to demand all their workers be up to date on vaccines, is the

answer, " To bad, so sad... you either vax or we take back our offer

to hire

you " and I am out of options.

OR Am I looking at some sort of employement right violation.

I don't get it you know... They do not make us get a flu vax... why the

big

deal over tetnus...

I still do not know what I plan to do yet.

But I just want all the info so I am armed!

----- Original Message -----

> Even the CDC lists only two vaccine sheets. Tetanus-diphtheria(Td)

and

> DtaP. No monovalent tetanus.

>

[Guest guest]

I have worked for a hospital also. Not an infection control person, but

I don't believe you could be considered to be putting patients at risk

by not getting a tetanus shot. It seems they would have a better leg to

stand on if they required flu or Hep B vax, in terms of patient safety.

Who told you that it was a requirement of employment? The people who

give the physicals, or HR? I'd just put it off, until you can't any

longer. I don't remember getting any vaccines at my physical. Once I

started work the IC nurse tracked me down and tested my titers and

started that beauteous Hep B series on me. Also got the MMR because I

wasn't immume to the Rubella and Rubeola (does that sound right?) Still

wasn't immume to ANY of them after the shots. By then I was preggo with

my ASD son, so I refused more Hep B. Of course they couldn't give the

MMR, but actually said it would be perfectly fine to do pregnant, but

they didn't push it. Uggh

Becky

[Guest guest]

As far as tetanus vaccines go, I think I would decline any other offerings. Here's my posting to an earlier message. Aasa I have had a few tetanus vaccinations as an adult (and also an "unscheduled" one when I was in grade 7 or 8, many moons ago, when I was bitten by a mouse which I tried to rescue from a cat...God knows why I attempted that??). Anyway, I believe that at least one of the last 2 tetanus shots which I received, one in 1984 and another in 1997 also contained the Diptheria vaccine. I do vaguely recall one of those doctors telling me that the only tetanus vaccine they had came combined with diptheria vaccine. I had forgotten all about the vaccination I had received in 1997, until a few weeks ago, when I came upon a little yellow folded vaccination record in my drawer. I thought it was one of my children's vaccination records but was surprised to find my own name on it! At first, I couldn't recall why I would have been getting any vaccine back then, but then remembered that it was likely around the time I got a nasty infection in my leg after having an accident in the kitchen when a casserole dish fell out of the fridge and pieces of it lodged in my leg.(P.S., It is not a good idea to stack corning ware cookware covered with plastic wrap one on top of another...if you try to remove the dish at the top, the others may follow, in quick succession, if one does not lift the top dish high enough to separate it from the others). I have no idea how much thimerosal may have been in those vaccines. When I found my latest vaccination record, I felt surprised and taken aback, thinking that there was no way I would have agreed to having that vaccine if I had known then what I know now. Aasa (P.S., My experience with this was years ago...hopefully,

now, more of these vaccines are available in monovalent form and without thimerosal, if people need to take them for whatever reason. Just for the record, I did come down with all sorts of allergies and/or chemical sensitivities, and unexplained problems after receiving travel vaccinations for going to Peru back in 1984. I was fine when I was there, but after I returned to Alberta, Canada, my health sufferred and I could no longer tolerate chemicals which I had been working with for years as a bookbinder. Obviously, I cannot prove anything, but I can't help but wonder how much the vaccines I received prior to my trip to Peru made life more difficult for me healthwise, after I returned from my short trip. Later, I realized that I did not really need to get the vaccines I did to visit Peru. They may have been recommended but they were not compulsory. Aasa Alice sen <alice.petersen@...> wrote: I am no expert by any means, and of all vaccines, it would seem that tetanus would definitely be one I would take (as an adult). That said, if I were going to refuse, I might use an argument based on the premise that while many vaccines (e.g., chicken pox, flu, Hep B etc.) can be "justified" by their (at least theoretical) protection of others from a contagion that an non-immunized later infected person could transmit to others. That is not the case with tetanus. Its protection is only to the recipient. Don't know if that helps... Best wishes. Alice " M. Webster"

<jwebs94@...> Sent by: EOHarm 02/15/2006 10:17 PM Please respond toEOHarm To <EOHarm > cc Subject Re: Re: legal/employement/vaccine Q...need help Correct, Tetnus comes package with Diphteria.But thimerosal or not, T or Td...either way, I don't want it.It is most certainly against my "religion"But I need to know if I have any standing here to refuse it and still be allowed to work there.Specifically are there any laws protecting me? It is a private hospital --if they want to demand all their workers be up to date on vaccines, is the answer, "To bad, so sad... you either vax or we take back our offer to hire you" and I am out of options.OR Am I looking at some sort of employement right violation.I don't get it you know... They do not make us get a flu vax... why the big deal over tetnus...I still do not know what I plan to do yet.But I just want all the info so I am armed!----- Original Message ----- > Even the CDC lists only two vaccine sheets.

Tetanus-diphtheria(Td) and> DtaP. No monovalent tetanus.>

[Guest guest]

I think it is more of a liability issue for them in case you step on

a rusty nail..stitches, etc. I would think signing a waiver, seeing

if you have immunity still, or looking up adverse

contraindications/allergies (and having one) may help you.

>

> I have worked for a hospital also. Not an infection control

person, but

> I don't believe you could be considered to be putting patients at

risk

> by not getting a tetanus shot. It seems they would have a better

leg to

> stand on if they required flu or Hep B vax, in terms of patient

safety.

>

> Who told you that it was a requirement of employment? The people

who

> give the physicals, or HR? I'd just put it off, until you can't any

> longer. I don't remember getting any vaccines at my physical. Once

I

> started work the IC nurse tracked me down and tested my titers and

> started that beauteous Hep B series on me. Also got the MMR

because I

> wasn't immume to the Rubella and Rubeola (does that sound right?)

Still

> wasn't immume to ANY of them after the shots. By then I was preggo

with

> my ASD son, so I refused more Hep B. Of course they couldn't give

the

> MMR, but actually said it would be perfectly fine to do pregnant,

but

> they didn't push it. Uggh

>

> Becky

>

[Guest guest]

http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#t3

, any chance of you having a significant allergy to a vaccine

component? <wink> Also, let me know what happens, I'm about to start

nursing school and they're gonna try to make me do hepB. I'm hoping I

can talk doc into writing me an exemption, but doubt he will. I'm

gonna go for a nurse practitioner MS to be a DAN! practitioner but the

school of nursing is gonna be the one to argue with.

debi

[Guest guest]

You guys all gave such good ideas!!

I will say the big problem is they have all my past health info, as I temp'd

at this hospital a couple times, they all know me very well in the dept..

lol that baby thing wouldn't fly.... I am not above lying about trying to

concieve though AND Idid already think about making them sign a paper

that says they will take full responsibility if anything should happen to

me, who the heck would sign that? NOT ME!

They also know my only allergy is to penicillan... etc etc...

I could be a total butt and say I suddenly developed an allergy tosomething

in the shot.. I could also try the " Why, yes I am allergic to

thimerosal " --isnt everyone BUT THEN, if they turn around and find me a

thimerosal free version, then I am a jerk for refusing that too.

I really do not want to be a pain in the butt, BUT I also know how I feel

about the vaccines.

I looked over PA law, Jeff sent it to me too --and he points out it only

discusses " children " .

I think my best bet is to write up the religious exemption and use that. If

they force the issue I will point out their " Equal Opportunity Employer "

thingy.... and I do believe THAT will get my point across (the " I will go to

court over this " point).

I just hate being THAT employee, you know?

Anyway, it was the infection control nurse who told me this --and time will

tell, b/c they did my MMR titers and HepB also --and I never show immunity

to MMR, no matter how many I get --so this could get more interesting.

I will let you know how it goes.

--My PPD test is lighting up nice! I never react as if exposed to TB, my

reaction comes from the solution injected under the skin --the actual

solution. Everytime I have a reaction to it --I am extremely sensitive to

everything, and this is a big reason for me wanting to refuse any more

vaccines.

I remember one cocktail of vaccines I was given by the army, I remember

trying to xray a 1 pound premie baby that night and my arm was so dead I

couldn't even lift the 1 pound baby. I remember having a high fever and

sweating and just dying on the couch that night. But I am better for now...

right??? When Yellow Fever and Typhoid Fever hit Pennsylvania... I'll be

ready!!!

*sigh*

----- Original Message -----

From: " Debi " <fightingautism@...>

>

[Guest guest]

,

People develop allergies and sensitivities all the time--especially after

getting vaccines, or RhoGAM shots, or taking antibiotics, etc.,

etc. There's always a disclaimer on hair color boxes, for example,

stating that a strand test should be done to check for

allergies.

At 12:29 AM 2/16/2006 -0500, you wrote:

You guys all gave such

good ideas!!

I will say the big problem is they have all my past health info, as I

temp'd

at this hospital a couple times, they all know me very well in the dept..

lol that baby thing wouldn't fly.... I am not above lying about trying

to

concieve though AND Idid already think about making them sign a paper

that says they will take full responsibility if anything should happen to

me, who the heck would sign that? NOT ME!

They also know my only allergy is to penicillan... etc etc...

I could be a total butt and say I suddenly developed an allergy

tosomething

in the shot.. I could also try the " Why, yes I am allergic to

thimerosal " --isnt everyone BUT THEN, if they turn around and

find me a

thimerosal free version, then I am a jerk for refusing that too.

I really do not want to be a pain in the butt, BUT I also know how I feel

about the vaccines.

I looked over PA law, Jeff sent it to me too --and he points out it only

discusses " children " .

I think my best bet is to write up the religious exemption and use

that. If

they force the issue I will point out their " Equal Opportunity

Employer "

thingy.... and I do believe THAT will get my point across (the " I

will go to

court over this " point).

I just hate being THAT employee, you know?

Anyway, it was the infection control nurse who told me this --and time

will

tell, b/c they did my MMR titers and HepB also --and I never show

immunity

to MMR, no matter how many I get --so this could get more

interesting.

I will let you know how it goes.

--My PPD test is lighting up nice! I never react as if exposed to TB, my

reaction comes from the solution injected under the skin --the actual

solution. Everytime I have a reaction to it --I am extremely sensitive to

everything, and this is a big reason for me wanting to refuse any more

vaccines.

I remember one cocktail of vaccines I was given by the army, I remember

trying to xray a 1 pound premie baby that night and my arm was so dead I

couldn't even lift the 1 pound baby. I remember having a high fever and

sweating and just dying on the couch that night. But I am better for

now...

right??? When Yellow Fever and Typhoid Fever hit Pennsylvania... I'll be

ready!!!

*sigh*

----- Original Message -----

From: " Debi " <fightingautism@...>

>

[Guest guest]

Find a doctor (DAN! ?) who will assert that the shot is not medically indicated for you. H/she shouldn't have to give a reason and should they ask, just say "preventive medicine, I guess". Maybe you can sign a waiver?

Lenny

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of M. WebsterSent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 4:20 PMASD Solutions; EOH ListSubject: legal/employement/vaccine Q...need help

I am supposed to go to my work physical Friday at 230.

They tell me I have to get a tetnus booster (last was '93) as a condition of my employement.

I said I would ONLY consider it if it is thimerosal free --the nurse assured me it will be b/c they stopped making those (lol, so I educated her a bit) She says she will make a note --but I told her not even a "trace"

ANYWAY... the point it,

I do not want any shot. mercury free or not.

FIRST: if I go ahead and get it, how does that look for the religious exemptions I have for my boys? Won't that weaken my position

SECOND: is this legal? CAN THEY bar me from employement if I refuse? Can I use a religious exemption too?

My plan is --since I know damn well they do not have any Hg free, I will hand a letter explaining my exemption, and type up my own sort of disclaimer taking responsibilty should I suffer for my choice and something stating that I will not get a Td shot UNLESS exposed to tetnus.

That could buy me some time, but I doubt they will bend. There were other applicants.

So what are my LEGAL rights on this?

anyone know or know who I could contact.

Any other time I wouldn't think twice about turning down the job, but its quite a salary jump and I really SHOULD take the job to help pay for Gavin's therapies.

thanks,

[Guest guest]

Does your state have philosophical exemption? You should still at least

be able to do a religious one. I'm been looking into college exemptions

myself. I'm trying to decide where to go to finish what I'd started

before my son was Dx'd, an MPH. Though I'm so disgusted with public

health, don't know if I can stomach it.

Becky

Also, let me know what happens, I'm about to start

> nursing school and they're gonna try to make me do hepB. I'm hoping I

> can talk doc into writing me an exemption, but doubt he will.

[Guest guest]

Why would you take Tetanus over other vaccines? What is the incident rate of Tetanus in the United States? does anyone know? I bet it is almost non existant. It was a danger when everyone rode horses and they pooped all over the place. Animal poop may carry tetanus. Very unlikely that a puncture wound today will carry tetanus.

From: Alice sen alice.petersen@...Reply-EOHarm To: jwebs94@...CC: EOHarm Subject: Re: Re: legal/employement/vaccine Q...need helpDate: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:24:45 -0500 I am no expert by any means, and of all vaccines, it would seem that tetanus would definitely be one I would take (as an adult). That said, if I were going to refuse, I might use an argument based on the premise that while many vaccines (e.g., chicken pox, flu, Hep B etc.) can be "justified" by their (at least theoretical) protection of others from a contagion that an non-immunized later infected person could transmit to others. That is not the case with tetanus. Its protection is only to the recipient. Don't know if that helps... Best wishes. Alice

" M. Webster" <jwebs94@...> Sent by: EOHarm

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Correct, Tetnus comes package with Diphteria.But thimerosal or not, T or Td...either way, I don't want it.It is most certainly against my "religion"But I need to know if I have any standing here to refuse it and still be allowed to work there.Specifically are there any laws protecting me? It is a private hospital --if they want to demand all their workers be up to date on vaccines, is the answer, "To bad, so sad... you either vax or we take back our offer to hire you" and I am out of options.OR Am I looking at some sort of employement right violation.I don't get it you know... They do not make us get a flu vax... why the big deal over tetnus...I still do not know what I plan to do yet.But I just want all the info so I am armed!----- Original Message ----- > Even the CDC lists only two vaccine sheets. Tetanus-diphtheria(Td) and> DtaP. No monovalent tetanus.>

[Guest guest]

Get a red cell mercury level; if it is high, anything containing mercury is contra-indicated, unless it's a matter of life and death. If any questions call me

Sincerely H.H. Fudenberg, M.D., D.D.G., I.O.M.

864-592-8076

From: "schafer" <schafer@...>Reply-EOHarm To: <EOHarm >Subject: RE: legal/employement/vaccine Q...need helpDate: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:37:39 -0800

Find a doctor (DAN! ?) who will assert that the shot is not medically indicated for you. H/she shouldn't have to give a reason and should they ask, just say "preventive medicine, I guess". Maybe you can sign a waiver?

Lenny

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of M. WebsterSent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 4:20 PMASD Solutions; EOH ListSubject: legal/employement/vaccine Q...need help

I am supposed to go to my work physical Friday at 230.

They tell me I have to get a tetnus booster (last was '93) as a condition of my employement.

I said I would ONLY consider it if it is thimerosal free --the nurse assured me it will be b/c they stopped making those (lol, so I educated her a bit) She says she will make a note --but I told her not even a "trace"

ANYWAY... the point it,

I do not want any shot. mercury free or not.

FIRST: if I go ahead and get it, how does that look for the religious exemptions I have for my boys? Won't that weaken my position

SECOND: is this legal? CAN THEY bar me from employement if I refuse? Can I use a religious exemption too?

My plan is --since I know damn well they do not have any Hg free, I will hand a letter explaining my exemption, and type up my own sort of disclaimer taking responsibilty should I suffer for my choice and something stating that I will not get a Td shot UNLESS exposed to tetnus.

That could buy me some time, but I doubt they will bend. There were other applicants.

So what are my LEGAL rights on this?

anyone know or know who I could contact.

Any other time I wouldn't think twice about turning down the job, but its quite a salary jump and I really SHOULD take the job to help pay for Gavin's therapies.

thanks,

[Guest guest]

Get a red cell mercury level;

if it is high, administration of anything containing mercury is malpractice, unless it's a matter of life and death.

Sincerely H.H. Fudenberg, M.D., D.D.G., I.O.M.

864-592-8076

From: "max walker" <max.walker@...>Reply-EOHarm To: <EOHarm >Subject: Re: legal/employement/vaccine Q...need helpDate: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:53:26 -0800

Get a form for them to sign saying that if anything should happen that they will take responsibility and pay all your costs. Also include on the form that there is no mercury at all in the shot. Have it signed by a notary.

Or try the religious exemption.

I do not see why people should be bullied into these things. It is not as if Tetanus is infectious anyway they cannot use the herd immunity argument there. It is your risk that you will take why should it matter to them? Other than having total compliance of the masses. It should do some good to bring this issue up as the 'jobsworths' will possibly actually think about why they are required to do this etc.You may raise awareness.

[Norton AntiSpam] legal/employement/vaccine Q...need help

I am supposed to go to my work physical Friday at 230.

They tell me I have to get a tetnus booster (last was '93) as a condition of my employement.

I said I would ONLY consider it if it is thimerosal free --the nurse assured me it will be b/c they stopped making those (lol, so I educated her a bit) She says she will make a note --but I told her not even a "trace"

ANYWAY... the point it,

I do not want any shot. mercury free or not.

FIRST: if I go ahead and get it, how does that look for the religious exemptions I have for my boys? Won't that weaken my position

SECOND: is this legal? CAN THEY bar me from employement if I refuse? Can I use a religious exemption too?

My plan is --since I know damn well they do not have any Hg free, I will hand a letter explaining my exemption, and type up my own sort of disclaimer taking responsibilty should I suffer for my choice and something stating that I will not get a Td shot UNLESS exposed to tetnus.

That could buy me some time, but I doubt they will bend. There were other applicants.

So what are my LEGAL rights on this?

anyone know or know who I could contact.

Any other time I wouldn't think twice about turning down the job, but its quite a salary jump and I really SHOULD take the job to help pay for Gavin's therapies.

thanks,

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I'm barefoot nearly all of the time...for

me personally I think the risk:benefit ratio is acceptable.

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Why would you take Tetanus over other vaccines? What

is the incident rate of Tetanus in the United States? does anyone

know? I bet it is almost non existant. It was a danger when

everyone rode horses and they pooped all over the place. Animal poop

may carry tetanus. Very unlikely that a puncture wound today will

carry tetanus.

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Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:24:45 -0500

I am no expert by any means, and of all vaccines, it would seem that tetanus

would definitely be one I would take (as an adult).

That said, if I were going

to refuse, I might use an argument based on the premise that while many

vaccines (e.g., chicken pox, flu, Hep B etc.) can be " justified "

by their (at least theoretical) protection of others from a contagion that

an non-immunized later infected person could transmit to others. That

is not the case with tetanus. Its protection is only to the recipient.

Don't know if that helps...

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Alice

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Correct, Tetnus comes package with Diphteria.

But thimerosal or not, T or Td...

either way, I don't want it.

It is most certainly against my " religion "

But I need to know if I have any standing here to refuse it and still be

allowed to work there.

Specifically are there any laws protecting me? It is a private hospital

--if

they want to demand all their workers be up to date on vaccines, is the

answer, " To bad, so sad... you either vax or we take back our offer

to hire

you " and I am out of options.

OR Am I looking at some sort of employement right violation.

I don't get it you know... They do not make us get a flu vax... why the

big

deal over tetnus...

I still do not know what I plan to do yet.

But I just want all the info so I am armed!

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> Even the CDC lists only two vaccine sheets. Tetanus-diphtheria(Td)

and

> DtaP. No monovalent tetanus.

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Get a form for them to sign saying that if anything should happen that they will take responsibility and pay all your costs. Also include on the form that there is no mercury at all in the shot. Have it signed by a notary.

Or try the religious exemption.

I do not see why people should be bullied into these things. It is not as if Tetanus is infectious anyway they cannot use the herd immunity argument there. It is your risk that you will take why should it matter to them? Other than having total compliance of the masses. It should do some good to bring this issue up as the 'jobsworths' will possibly actually think about why they are required to do this etc.You may raise awareness.

[Norton AntiSpam] legal/employement/vaccine Q...need help

I am supposed to go to my work physical Friday at 230.

They tell me I have to get a tetnus booster (last was '93) as a condition of my employement.

I said I would ONLY consider it if it is thimerosal free --the nurse assured me it will be b/c they stopped making those (lol, so I educated her a bit) She says she will make a note --but I told her not even a "trace"

ANYWAY... the point it,

I do not want any shot. mercury free or not.

FIRST: if I go ahead and get it, how does that look for the religious exemptions I have for my boys? Won't that weaken my position

SECOND: is this legal? CAN THEY bar me from employement if I refuse? Can I use a religious exemption too?

My plan is --since I know damn well they do not have any Hg free, I will hand a letter explaining my exemption, and type up my own sort of disclaimer taking responsibilty should I suffer for my choice and something stating that I will not get a Td shot UNLESS exposed to tetnus.

That could buy me some time, but I doubt they will bend. There were other applicants.

So what are my LEGAL rights on this?

anyone know or know who I could contact.

Any other time I wouldn't think twice about turning down the job, but its quite a salary jump and I really SHOULD take the job to help pay for Gavin's therapies.

thanks,