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Stem cells may be harvested from umbilical cords after birth takes place. So

the " Pro-Lifers " need to get a grip on reality. Many of us Texans think Bush

is an idiot. Hope he never develops Parkinson's disease!

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You said you would donate your embryos, but the difference is that you can't

donate your embryos...unless you're pregnant. An embryo is a fertilized egg, so

it's a baby, regardless of how it was fertilized or how old it is. As hard as

it might be, here's the definition:

Human Definition: A fertilized egg that has begun cell division, often called a

pre-embryo (for pre-implantation embryo). An embryo is now defined as a later

stage, i.e. at the completion of " the pre-embryonic stage, which is considered

to end at about day 14. The term, embryo, is used to describe the early stages

of fetal growth, from conception to the eighth week of pregnancy.

Bush vetoes stem cell bill as promised

Does anyone else think this is bad? I hate our joke of a president

mainly because of this! I know alot of people don't feel that way and

I'm not trying to start a political argument or debate on this. I'm not

political in any way. Call me cruel but there are so many kids that

need adopting in the world and he has a fit about using embryos to help

find cures for illnesses. I know I would give up my embryos for

research and I know of a few other people to do the same. I know I

haven't been on here in a really long time but I do still read most of

the emails and Mathieu is doing great. He's getting his Kidster Dani in

about 3-4 weeks. We wanted it by the time he turned 4 and its close

enough. He will be 4 on Friday. Ok Im done expressing myself. Sorry

if I offended anyone. Bush vetoes stem cell bill as promised

AP - 2 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - President Bush cast the first veto of his 5 1/2-year

presidency Wednesday, rejecting legislation to ease limits on federal

funding for research on stem cells obtained from embryos. " This bill

would support the taking of innocent human life of the hope of finding

medical benefits for others. It crosses a moral boundary that our

society needs to respect, so I vetoed it, " Bush said at a White House

event where he was surrounded by 18 families who " adopted " frozen

embryos that were not used by other couples, and then used those

leftover embryos to have children. Neeka

http://www.caringbr idge.org/ visit/mathieu

<http://www.caringbr idge.org/ visit/mathieu>

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I agree, Bush is a joke and he just keeps making himself look worse ... with

the stem cell bill, and keeping our troops over seas when we need to worry

about our country and our Troops .. we will not have any troops left if this

keeps up!

Bush will never have my vote!

Until he has or know someone close to him or any other higher power has a

child with a life threanting illness he/they are just never going to get it!

He needs to think out of his box! But I doubt that will ever happen

A Disapointed Mom

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I just have to say that definition doesn't say anywhere that it is a baby.

Jay Ondus wrote:

>

> You said you would donate your embryos, but the difference is that you

> can't donate your embryos...unless you're pregnant. An embryo is a

> fertilized egg, so it's a baby, regardless of how it was fertilized or

> how old it is. As hard as it might be, here's the definition:

>

> Human Definition: A fertilized egg that has begun cell division, often

> called a pre-embryo (for pre-implantation embryo). An embryo is now

> defined as a later stage, i.e. at the completion of " the pre-embryonic

> stage, which is considered to end at about day 14. The term, embryo,

> is used to describe the early stages of fetal growth, from conception

> to the eighth week of pregnancy.

>

> Bush vetoes stem cell bill as promised

>

> Does anyone else think this is bad? I hate our joke of a president

> mainly because of this! I know alot of people don't feel that way and

> I'm not trying to start a political argument or debate on this. I'm not

> political in any way. Call me cruel but there are so many kids that

> need adopting in the world and he has a fit about using embryos to help

> find cures for illnesses. I know I would give up my embryos for

> research and I know of a few other people to do the same. I know I

> haven't been on here in a really long time but I do still read most of

> the emails and Mathieu is doing great. He's getting his Kidster Dani in

> about 3-4 weeks. We wanted it by the time he turned 4 and its close

> enough. He will be 4 on Friday. Ok Im done expressing myself. Sorry

> if I offended anyone. Bush vetoes stem cell bill as promised

> AP - 2 minutes ago

> WASHINGTON - President Bush cast the first veto of his 5 1/2-year

> presidency Wednesday, rejecting legislation to ease limits on federal

> funding for research on stem cells obtained from embryos. " This bill

> would support the taking of innocent human life of the hope of finding

> medical benefits for others. It crosses a moral boundary that our

> society needs to respect, so I vetoed it, " Bush said at a White House

> event where he was surrounded by 18 families who " adopted " frozen

> embryos that were not used by other couples, and then used those

> leftover embryos to have children. Neeka

> http://www.caringbr idge.org/ visit/mathieu

> <http://www.caringbr idge.org/ visit/mathieu>

>

>

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I would like to encourage people to have this potentially volatile

conversation off-list. No one is likely to change his or her mind on

such issues.

Let's keep the peace.

Thanks,

Alana

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I would still donate my embryos. I have 2 kids and am very blessed

with them.

>

> You said you would donate your embryos, but the difference is that

you can't donate your embryos...unless you're pregnant. An embryo is

a fertilized egg, so it's a baby, regardless of how it was fertilized

or how old it is. As hard as it might be, here's the definition:

>

> Human Definition: A fertilized egg that has begun cell division,

often called a pre-embryo (for pre-implantation embryo). An embryo is

now defined as a later stage, i.e. at the completion of " the pre-

embryonic stage, which is considered to end at about day 14. The

term, embryo, is used to describe the early stages of fetal growth,

from conception to the eighth week of pregnancy.

>

>

> Bush vetoes stem cell bill as promised

>

>

> Does anyone else think this is bad? I hate our joke of a president

> mainly because of this! I know alot of people don't feel that way

and

> I'm not trying to start a political argument or debate on this. I'm

not

> political in any way. Call me cruel but there are so many kids that

> need adopting in the world and he has a fit about using embryos to

help

> find cures for illnesses. I know I would give up my embryos for

> research and I know of a few other people to do the same. I know I

> haven't been on here in a really long time but I do still read most

of

> the emails and Mathieu is doing great. He's getting his Kidster

Dani in

> about 3-4 weeks. We wanted it by the time he turned 4 and its close

> enough. He will be 4 on Friday. Ok Im done expressing myself. Sorry

> if I offended anyone. Bush vetoes stem cell bill as promised

> AP - 2 minutes ago

> WASHINGTON - President Bush cast the first veto of his 5 1/2-year

> presidency Wednesday, rejecting legislation to ease limits on

federal

> funding for research on stem cells obtained from embryos. " This bill

> would support the taking of innocent human life of the hope of

finding

> medical benefits for others. It crosses a moral boundary that our

> society needs to respect, so I vetoed it, " Bush said at a White

House

> event where he was surrounded by 18 families who " adopted " frozen

> embryos that were not used by other couples, and then used those

> leftover embryos to have children. Neeka

> http://www.caringbr idge.org/ visit/mathieu

> <http://www.caringbr idge.org/ visit/mathieu>

>

>

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I understand what you are saying but there is nothing wrong with this

topic. This is concerning ourselfs and our kids and grandkids.

Everyone is entittled to an opinion and is free to discuss about this

matter. If I didnt write about it someone else would have. No

disrespect but if you dont like the topic ignore it and let others that

would like to talk about it do so.

>

> I would like to encourage people to have this potentially volatile

> conversation off-list. No one is likely to change his or her mind on

> such issues.

>

> Let's keep the peace.

>

> Thanks,

> Alana

>

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Amen .... until they have to suffer and deal with themselves having a

disease or watching someone close to them have something wrong ..... they will

NEVER understand

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I agree! Bush's veto of stem cell research is a very sad day for sure. As you

probably saw, many Republicans did vote for this bill. Obviously, they disagree

with their president. The reason so many republicans voted for this bill is

because it just makes sense. I also don't want to appear radical but in my view

President Bush lives in a very narrow minded world. He has a difficult time

seeing the big picture. I believe his veto will hurt him politically. I hope

so.

Beth

Bush vetoes stem cell bill as promised

Does anyone else think this is bad? I hate our joke of a president

mainly because of this! I know alot of people don't feel that way and

I'm not trying to start a political argument or debate on this. I'm not

political in any way. Call me cruel but there are so many kids that

need adopting in the world and he has a fit about using embryos to help

find cures for illnesses. I know I would give up my embryos for

research and I know of a few other people to do the same. I know I

haven't been on here in a really long time but I do still read most of

the emails and Mathieu is doing great. He's getting his Kidster Dani in

about 3-4 weeks. We wanted it by the time he turned 4 and its close

enough. He will be 4 on Friday. Ok Im done expressing myself. Sorry

if I offended anyone. Bush vetoes stem cell bill as promised

AP - 2 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - President Bush cast the first veto of his 5 1/2-year

presidency Wednesday, rejecting legislation to ease limits on federal

funding for research on stem cells obtained from embryos. " This bill

would support the taking of innocent human life of the hope of finding

medical benefits for others. It crosses a moral boundary that our

society needs to respect, so I vetoed it, " Bush said at a White House

event where he was surrounded by 18 families who " adopted " frozen

embryos that were not used by other couples, and then used those

leftover embryos to have children. Neeka

http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/mathieu

<http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/mathieu>

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He definately doesn't seem to be in kilter with the views of the American

public. People want this to happen so we can eradicate many of the diseases

and conditions that are currently uncurable, untreatable, or have treatments

that are not ideal.

On 7/19/06, Beth Carollo <mbc543@...> wrote:

>

> I agree! Bush's veto of stem cell research is a very sad day for sure.

> As you probably saw, many Republicans did vote for this bill. Obviously,

> they disagree with their president. The reason so many republicans voted for

> this bill is because it just makes sense. I also don't want to appear

> radical but in my view President Bush lives in a very narrow minded world.

> He has a difficult time seeing the big picture. I believe his veto will hurt

> him politically. I hope so.

> Beth

>

> Bush vetoes stem cell bill as promised

>

> Does anyone else think this is bad? I hate our joke of a president

> mainly because of this! I know alot of people don't feel that way and

> I'm not trying to start a political argument or debate on this. I'm not

> political in any way. Call me cruel but there are so many kids that

> need adopting in the world and he has a fit about using embryos to help

> find cures for illnesses. I know I would give up my embryos for

> research and I know of a few other people to do the same. I know I

> haven't been on here in a really long time but I do still read most of

> the emails and Mathieu is doing great. He's getting his Kidster Dani in

> about 3-4 weeks. We wanted it by the time he turned 4 and its close

> enough. He will be 4 on Friday. Ok Im done expressing myself. Sorry

> if I offended anyone. Bush vetoes stem cell bill as promised

> AP - 2 minutes ago

> WASHINGTON - President Bush cast the first veto of his 5 1/2-year

> presidency Wednesday, rejecting legislation to ease limits on federal

> funding for research on stem cells obtained from embryos. " This bill

> would support the taking of innocent human life of the hope of finding

> medical benefits for others. It crosses a moral boundary that our

> society needs to respect, so I vetoed it, " Bush said at a White House

> event where he was surrounded by 18 families who " adopted " frozen

> embryos that were not used by other couples, and then used those

> leftover embryos to have children. Neeka

> http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/mathieu

> <http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/mathieu>

>

>

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Yes, he blows along with ALL of his policies.

L

njmd2324 wrote:

> Does anyone else think this is bad? I hate our joke of a president

> mainly because of this! I know alot of people don't feel that way and

> I'm not trying to start a political argument or debate on this. I'm not

> political in any way. Call me cruel but there are so many kids that

> need adopting in the world and he has a fit about using embryos to help

> find cures for illnesses. I know I would give up my embryos for

> research and I know of a few other people to do the same. I know I

> haven't been on here in a really long time but I do still read most of

> the emails and Mathieu is doing great. He's getting his Kidster Dani in

> about 3-4 weeks. We wanted it by the time he turned 4 and its close

> enough. He will be 4 on Friday. Ok Im done expressing myself. Sorry

> if I offended anyone. Bush vetoes stem cell bill as promised

> AP - 2 minutes ago

> WASHINGTON - President Bush cast the first veto of his 5 1/2-year

> presidency Wednesday, rejecting legislation to ease limits on federal

> funding for research on stem cells obtained from embryos. " This bill

> would support the taking of innocent human life of the hope of finding

> medical benefits for others. It crosses a moral boundary that our

> society needs to respect, so I vetoed it, " Bush said at a White House

> event where he was surrounded by 18 families who " adopted " frozen

> embryos that were not used by other couples, and then used those

> leftover embryos to have children. Neeka

> http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/mathieu

> <http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/mathieu>

> <http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/mathieu

> <http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/mathieu>>

>

>

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P.S. Unlike njmd, I am not sorry if I offended anyone.

Those Two wrote:

> Yes, he blows along with ALL of his policies.

>

> L

>

> njmd2324 wrote:

>

>> Does anyone else think this is bad? I hate our joke of a president

>> mainly because of this! I know alot of people don't feel that way and

>> I'm not trying to start a political argument or debate on this. I'm not

>> political in any way. Call me cruel but there are so many kids that

>> need adopting in the world and he has a fit about using embryos to help

>> find cures for illnesses. I know I would give up my embryos for

>> research and I know of a few other people to do the same. I know I

>> haven't been on here in a really long time but I do still read most of

>> the emails and Mathieu is doing great. He's getting his Kidster Dani in

>> about 3-4 weeks. We wanted it by the time he turned 4 and its close

>> enough. He will be 4 on Friday. Ok Im done expressing myself. Sorry

>> if I offended anyone. Bush vetoes stem cell bill as promised

>> AP - 2 minutes ago

>> WASHINGTON - President Bush cast the first veto of his 5 1/2-year

>> presidency Wednesday, rejecting legislation to ease limits on federal

>> funding for research on stem cells obtained from embryos. " This bill

>> would support the taking of innocent human life of the hope of finding

>> medical benefits for others. It crosses a moral boundary that our

>> society needs to respect, so I vetoed it, " Bush said at a White House

>> event where he was surrounded by 18 families who " adopted " frozen

>> embryos that were not used by other couples, and then used those

>> leftover embryos to have children. Neeka

>> http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/mathieu

>> <http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/mathieu>

>> <http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/mathieu

>> <http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/mathieu>>

>>

>>

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Vicki wrote: Hope he never develops Parkinson's disease!

Lori replies: I hope he does and a severe case at that!

VickiLJurney@... wrote:

> Stem cells may be harvested from umbilical cords after birth takes

> place. So

> the " Pro-Lifers " need to get a grip on reality. Many of us Texans

> think Bush

> is an idiot. Hope he never develops Parkinson's disease!

>

> Vicki

>

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Ok, sorry for another P.S. but I didn't think of it until I pressed send.

P.S. I hope his wife gets it too so he can know how it feels to see you

loved one suffer .....and then know that he had the power to fund

research that could have found a significant treatment.

Those Two wrote:

> Vicki wrote: Hope he never develops Parkinson's disease!

>

> Lori replies: I hope he does and a severe case at that!

>

> VickiLJurney@... wrote:

>

>> Stem cells may be harvested from umbilical cords after birth takes

>> place. So

>> the " Pro-Lifers " need to get a grip on reality. Many of us Texans

>> think Bush

>> is an idiot. Hope he never develops Parkinson's disease!

>>

>> Vicki

>>

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Oh, did you think he is there to represent what the American people want?

L

Buck wrote:

> He definately doesn't seem to be in kilter with the views of the American

> public. People want this to happen so we can eradicate many of the

> diseases

> and conditions that are currently uncurable, untreatable, or have

> treatments

> that are not ideal.

>

> On 7/19/06, Beth Carollo <mbc543@...

> <mailto:mbc543%40qwest.net>> wrote:

> >

> > I agree! Bush's veto of stem cell research is a very sad day for sure.

> > As you probably saw, many Republicans did vote for this bill. Obviously,

> > they disagree with their president. The reason so many republicans

> voted for

> > this bill is because it just makes sense. I also don't want to appear

> > radical but in my view President Bush lives in a very narrow minded

> world.

> > He has a difficult time seeing the big picture. I believe his veto

> will hurt

> > him politically. I hope so.

> > Beth

> >

> > Bush vetoes stem cell bill as promised

> >

> > Does anyone else think this is bad? I hate our joke of a president

> > mainly because of this! I know alot of people don't feel that way and

> > I'm not trying to start a political argument or debate on this. I'm not

> > political in any way. Call me cruel but there are so many kids that

> > need adopting in the world and he has a fit about using embryos to help

> > find cures for illnesses. I know I would give up my embryos for

> > research and I know of a few other people to do the same. I know I

> > haven't been on here in a really long time but I do still read most of

> > the emails and Mathieu is doing great. He's getting his Kidster Dani in

> > about 3-4 weeks. We wanted it by the time he turned 4 and its close

> > enough. He will be 4 on Friday. Ok Im done expressing myself. Sorry

> > if I offended anyone. Bush vetoes stem cell bill as promised

> > AP - 2 minutes ago

> > WASHINGTON - President Bush cast the first veto of his 5 1/2-year

> > presidency Wednesday, rejecting legislation to ease limits on federal

> > funding for research on stem cells obtained from embryos. " This bill

> > would support the taking of innocent human life of the hope of finding

> > medical benefits for others. It crosses a moral boundary that our

> > society needs to respect, so I vetoed it, " Bush said at a White House

> > event where he was surrounded by 18 families who " adopted " frozen

> > embryos that were not used by other couples, and then used those

> > leftover embryos to have children. Neeka

> > http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/mathieu

> <http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/mathieu>

> > <http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/mathieu

> <http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/mathieu>>

> >

> >

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We didn't vote for the " shrub " or his Daddy when he was president We

made the right decision...Someday he and/or his family may/might need

help...I feel sorry when that may/might come.. All he's good for doing

is making a fool out of himself just like he did yesterday at the Summit

sitting there feeding his face talking to Vice Minister Tony Blair and

then " with the microphone open on the table " cusses ( and it doesn't

matter if he didn't know there was an open mic or not) ..... sad to say

that he is the President of the United States and............that's not

the 1st time he's done something stupid. he's done that before....lol..

God Bless those who are over there protecting us....God Bless those who

are/will be getting deployed...and Rest in Peace to those who have lost

their lives...and God Bless all of the families especially those who

MUST go on without there loved ones :(

Everyone is entitled to his/own opinion :)

>

> I agree, Bush is a joke and he just keeps making himself look worse

.... with

> the stem cell bill, and keeping our troops over seas when we need to

worry

> about our country and our Troops .. we will not have any troops left

if this

> keeps up!

> Bush will never have my vote!

>

> Until he has or know someone close to him or any other higher power

has a

> child with a life threanting illness he/they are just never going to

get it!

>

> He needs to think out of his box! But I doubt that will ever happen

>

> A Disapointed Mom

>

>

>

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I changed my mind on embryonic stem cell research about 4 years ago.

I have SMA Type II and my niece had SMA type I and died when she was

only 10 months old.

What changed my mind was having a child. My wife and I used invitro

fertilization to get pregnant. I have a picture of my son when he

was a 6 cell embyro. Going through that process convinced me

forever that life starts at conception.

There's other ways to extract stem cells. But in my opinion,

destroying a life for this particular type of research is wrong.

>

> Does anyone else think this is bad? I hate our joke of a president

> mainly because of this! I know alot of people don't feel that way

and

> I'm not trying to start a political argument or debate on this.

I'm not

> political in any way. Call me cruel but there are so many kids

that

> need adopting in the world and he has a fit about using embryos to

help

> find cures for illnesses. I know I would give up my embryos for

> research and I know of a few other people to do the same. I know I

> haven't been on here in a really long time but I do still read

most of

> the emails and Mathieu is doing great. He's getting his Kidster

Dani in

> about 3-4 weeks. We wanted it by the time he turned 4 and its

close

> enough. He will be 4 on Friday. Ok Im done expressing myself.

Sorry

> if I offended anyone. Bush vetoes stem cell bill as promised

> AP - 2 minutes ago

> WASHINGTON - President Bush cast the first veto of his 5 1/2-year

> presidency Wednesday, rejecting legislation to ease limits on

federal

> funding for research on stem cells obtained from embryos. " This

bill

> would support the taking of innocent human life of the hope of

finding

> medical benefits for others. It crosses a moral boundary that our

> society needs to respect, so I vetoed it, " Bush said at a White

House

> event where he was surrounded by 18 families who " adopted " frozen

> embryos that were not used by other couples, and then used those

> leftover embryos to have children. Neeka

> http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/mathieu

> <http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/mathieu>

>

>

>

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I've never understood the almost visceral hatred of President Bush

by the disability community. I am not a fan of any particular

politician, but it's quite clear that the Republicans and the Bush

family in particular have done more for disabled people than any

Democrat. Let's not forget who signed the ADA (the first President

Bush!!) The current President proposed No Child Left Behind and has

proposed fully funding IDEA, which would both give huge

opportunities to disabled children in school. Meanwhile, the

Democrats in Congress have obstructed funding of either program.

Why? Simply because they don't want a Republican President to get

the credit for helping out their traditional constituency. When

Bill Clinton was in office, he did NOTHING for disabled children and

even rolled back spending on ADA enforcement and limited NIH

funding. He got away with this by blaming the Republican-controlled

Congress, and everyone gave him a pass. Now, under the current

President Bush, programs for disabled children have increased and

Federal funding for research on crippling diseases has increased

threefold. However, the so-called disability activists protest

President Bush like he's the devil himself.

Again, I am not a fan of President Bush or the Republicans for a lot

of different reasons. But, I know on which side my bread is buttered.

Respectfully,

>

> Yes, he blows along with ALL of his policies.

>

> L

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Im usually not one to say sorry if I offend anyone but in this I

didnt want to start anything. I hate the man and hope he is blessed

one day with a family member that is special like our kids or

ourselves. Maybe than he will relize how important it is too many

people.

> >

> >> Does anyone else think this is bad? I hate our joke of a

president

> >> mainly because of this! I know alot of people don't feel that

way and

> >> I'm not trying to start a political argument or debate on this.

I'm not

> >> political in any way. Call me cruel but there are so many kids

that

> >> need adopting in the world and he has a fit about using embryos

to help

> >> find cures for illnesses. I know I would give up my embryos for

> >> research and I know of a few other people to do the same. I know

I

> >> haven't been on here in a really long time but I do still read

most of

> >> the emails and Mathieu is doing great. He's getting his Kidster

Dani in

> >> about 3-4 weeks. We wanted it by the time he turned 4 and its

close

> >> enough. He will be 4 on Friday. Ok Im done expressing myself.

Sorry

> >> if I offended anyone. Bush vetoes stem cell bill as promised

> >> AP - 2 minutes ago

> >> WASHINGTON - President Bush cast the first veto of his 5 1/2-year

> >> presidency Wednesday, rejecting legislation to ease limits on

federal

> >> funding for research on stem cells obtained from embryos. " This

bill

> >> would support the taking of innocent human life of the hope of

finding

> >> medical benefits for others. It crosses a moral boundary that our

> >> society needs to respect, so I vetoed it, " Bush said at a White

House

> >> event where he was surrounded by 18 families who " adopted " frozen

> >> embryos that were not used by other couples, and then used those

> >> leftover embryos to have children. Neeka

> >> http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/mathieu

> >> <http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/mathieu>

> >> <http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/mathieu

> >> <http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/mathieu>>

> >>

> >>

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