Re: Animal rights verses Human rights

December 25, 2005

Good points, but i beiliev wholeheartedly that animals are just as important as

people in this world. I mean you never ask a heart surgeon why he's not a brain

surgeon. If these people chose to help animals, all the power to them, money

goes to waste so much, at least that money was put toward good.

Love, Peace and Green Day,

Ali +

Animal rights verses Human rights

I was just watching a deal on animal planet channel and they were

talking about how they spent $230,000 to save a 3 strike elderly bear

up in New Jersy area. Since he was old and having trouble finding

food hes been going into housing areas and hitting trash cans. He was

nonviolant, and been relocated twice, so on his 3rd strike he was set

to be destroyed. These people bann together to save him and raise

230k for a bear habitate to be built at a local zoo. The zoo admitted

that in 5 years was going to add a bear exibit anyways, but they let

these people pay for it so they could save this old guy and of course

the zoo can save 200 grand.

I am all for not hurting animals etc, but it just rubs me wrong that

people will care so much for an old dying bear when there is people

in their own town they probally step over in the streets and wouldnt

ever think of helping them. If we as a nation cant put helping our

own fellow man over a few critters how can we ever become a " whole

nation " ? I just cant see us " policing " the world when we cant even

take care of our own at home first...

Just imagine what $230,000 could have ment to the right people. How

many people reading this have been denied medical equipment etc

because it wasnt in their policy etc. this could have ment that over

100 people got vans they needed. Or 500+ people to get ramps and

other accibility issues fixed. Maybe I shouldnt be typing this, its

been a long and rough night. I am going to go back to bed, thanks for

listening.

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December 25, 2005

I dont understand what you mean by, " I mean you never ask a heart

surgeon why he's not a brain surgeon. "

>

> Good points, but i beiliev wholeheartedly that animals are just as

important as people in this world. I mean you never ask a heart

surgeon why he's not a brain surgeon. If these people chose to help

animals, all the power to them, money goes to waste so much, at least

that money was put toward good.

>

> Love, Peace and Green Day,

> Ali +

>

> Animal rights verses Human rights

>

> I was just watching a deal on animal planet channel and they were

> talking about how they spent $230,000 to save a 3 strike elderly

bear

> up in New Jersy area. Since he was old and having trouble finding

> food hes been going into housing areas and hitting trash cans. He

was

> nonviolant, and been relocated twice, so on his 3rd strike he was

set

> to be destroyed. These people bann together to save him and raise

> 230k for a bear habitate to be built at a local zoo. The zoo

admitted

> that in 5 years was going to add a bear exibit anyways, but they

let

> these people pay for it so they could save this old guy and of

course

> the zoo can save 200 grand.

>

> I am all for not hurting animals etc, but it just rubs me wrong

that

> people will care so much for an old dying bear when there is people

> in their own town they probally step over in the streets and

wouldnt

> ever think of helping them. If we as a nation cant put helping our

> own fellow man over a few critters how can we ever become a " whole

> nation " ? I just cant see us " policing " the world when we cant even

> take care of our own at home first...

>

> Just imagine what $230,000 could have ment to the right people. How

> many people reading this have been denied medical equipment etc

> because it wasnt in their policy etc. this could have ment that

over

> 100 people got vans they needed. Or 500+ people to get ramps and

> other accibility issues fixed. Maybe I shouldnt be typing this, its

> been a long and rough night. I am going to go back to bed, thanks

for

> listening.

>

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December 25, 2005

*waving madly hoping you will notice me*

are you john?

Animal rights verses Human rights

>

> I was just watching a deal on animal planet channel and they were

> talking about how they spent $230,000 to save a 3 strike elderly

bear

> up in New Jersy area. Since he was old and having trouble finding

> food hes been going into housing areas and hitting trash cans. He

was

> nonviolant, and been relocated twice, so on his 3rd strike he was

set

> to be destroyed. These people bann together to save him and raise

> 230k for a bear habitate to be built at a local zoo. The zoo

admitted

> that in 5 years was going to add a bear exibit anyways, but they

let

> these people pay for it so they could save this old guy and of

course

> the zoo can save 200 grand.

>

> I am all for not hurting animals etc, but it just rubs me wrong

that

> people will care so much for an old dying bear when there is people

> in their own town they probally step over in the streets and

wouldnt

> ever think of helping them. If we as a nation cant put helping our

> own fellow man over a few critters how can we ever become a " whole

> nation " ? I just cant see us " policing " the world when we cant even

> take care of our own at home first...

>

> Just imagine what $230,000 could have ment to the right people. How

> many people reading this have been denied medical equipment etc

> because it wasnt in their policy etc. this could have ment that

over

> 100 people got vans they needed. Or 500+ people to get ramps and

> other accibility issues fixed. Maybe I shouldnt be typing this, its

> been a long and rough night. I am going to go back to bed, thanks

for

> listening.

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December 25, 2005

sorry sorry guess i should have explained. I once read on PETA how to answer

the question " Why do you do so much for animals when people need help. " there

responce was " People never ask a brain surgeon why he isnt also a heart

surgeon. " You cant fix everything in the world.

Love, Peace and Green Day,

Ali +

Animal rights verses Human rights

>

> I was just watching a deal on animal planet channel and they were

> talking about how they spent $230,000 to save a 3 strike elderly

bear

> up in New Jersy area. Since he was old and having trouble finding

> food hes been going into housing areas and hitting trash cans. He

was

> nonviolant, and been relocated twice, so on his 3rd strike he was

set

> to be destroyed. These people bann together to save him and raise

> 230k for a bear habitate to be built at a local zoo. The zoo

admitted

> that in 5 years was going to add a bear exibit anyways, but they

let

> these people pay for it so they could save this old guy and of

course

> the zoo can save 200 grand.

>

> I am all for not hurting animals etc, but it just rubs me wrong

that

> people will care so much for an old dying bear when there is people

> in their own town they probally step over in the streets and

wouldnt

> ever think of helping them. If we as a nation cant put helping our

> own fellow man over a few critters how can we ever become a " whole

> nation " ? I just cant see us " policing " the world when we cant even

> take care of our own at home first...

>

> Just imagine what $230,000 could have ment to the right people. How

> many people reading this have been denied medical equipment etc

> because it wasnt in their policy etc. this could have ment that

over

> 100 people got vans they needed. Or 500+ people to get ramps and

> other accibility issues fixed. Maybe I shouldnt be typing this, its

> been a long and rough night. I am going to go back to bed, thanks

for

> listening.

>

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December 25, 2005

ah...ok,,,yea this is one of those things thats going to vary alot

from person to person. The age old question of, " Where do you draw

the line? "

We all have our favorite animals and reasons for it all. I just feel

we shouldnt spead so much monies at times on a few single individual

animals when theres bigger causes that could be address. Like that

230 grand, they could have purchased land for a natural refuge, or it

been used to improve an area thats already around. That away it would

have been an ongoing help instead of a last stop jail before death. I

am not one for putting wild animals into little cages for people to

look at. Sure we need zoos for different reasons, and I am sure most

animals that are raised in there are happy, but a wild free roaming

animal now caged up will just end up in the corner with a broken

spirit, and see an animal suffering like that is worth than deathe to

me.

Last month they had a deal about a smaller oil spoil that killed like

12,000 animals, birds, fish etc. They had like 300 that they tried to

save and only 12% of those lived and only 2 of those were released

back into the wild. They said it cost on average $700 an animal to

try to save them. But they were just so sick & died slow long deathes

it just broke me up that they didnt just put the poor things too

sleep. Granted some of them did look good, but they had injested the

oils and/or were soaked to the skin and died of fluid in the lungs.

But its one of those things, where do you draw the line. Its the same

with people too, when is enough enough? When does quanity out weigh

quality?

Gosh is my stomache still getting really sea sick from just sitting

up right in a chair...I am starting to think the pain killers are

causing it to happen.

> >

> > Good points, but i beiliev wholeheartedly that animals are just

as

> important as people in this world. I mean you never ask a heart

> surgeon why he's not a brain surgeon. If these people chose to help

> animals, all the power to them, money goes to waste so much, at

least

> that money was put toward good.

> >

> > Love, Peace and Green Day,

> > Ali +

> >

> > Animal rights verses Human rights

> >

> > I was just watching a deal on animal planet channel and they were

> > talking about how they spent $230,000 to save a 3 strike elderly

> bear

> > up in New Jersy area. Since he was old and having trouble finding

> > food hes been going into housing areas and hitting trash cans. He

> was

> > nonviolant, and been relocated twice, so on his 3rd strike he was

> set

> > to be destroyed. These people bann together to save him and raise

> > 230k for a bear habitate to be built at a local zoo. The zoo

> admitted

> > that in 5 years was going to add a bear exibit anyways, but they

> let

> > these people pay for it so they could save this old guy and of

> course

> > the zoo can save 200 grand.

> >

> > I am all for not hurting animals etc, but it just rubs me wrong

> that

> > people will care so much for an old dying bear when there is

people

> > in their own town they probally step over in the streets and

> wouldnt

> > ever think of helping them. If we as a nation cant put helping

our

> > own fellow man over a few critters how can we ever become

a " whole

> > nation " ? I just cant see us " policing " the world when we cant

even

> > take care of our own at home first...

> >

> > Just imagine what $230,000 could have ment to the right people.

How

> > many people reading this have been denied medical equipment etc

> > because it wasnt in their policy etc. this could have ment that

> over

> > 100 people got vans they needed. Or 500+ people to get ramps and

> > other accibility issues fixed. Maybe I shouldnt be typing this,

its

> > been a long and rough night. I am going to go back to bed, thanks

> for

> > listening.

> >

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> >

> > * The list members come from many backgrounds, ages and beliefs

So

> all

> > members most be tolerant and respectful to all members.

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December 26, 2005

Just a reminder...this kind of discussion should be listed as " Off

Topic " in the Subject Line.

L

ipmoc wrote:

> ah...ok,,,yea this is one of those things thats going to vary alot

> from person to person. The age old question of, " Where do you draw

> the line? "

December 26, 2005

I dont understand what you mean by, " this kind of discussion should

be listed as " Off Topic " in the Subject Line. "

Please explain...

>

> > ah...ok,,,yea this is one of those things thats going to vary alot

> > from person to person. The age old question of, " Where do you draw

> > the line? "

>

December 26, 2005

This group is for sma-related topics. " Animal rights verses Human

rights " is a rather broad topic not directly related to sma.

Interesting topic for some but not what our group is for. The group

owner has asked in the past that these un-related posts be labeled as

" Off Topics " if posted. You just need to pick " OT " in the subject line

to indicate it is not related to sma so people not interested can move on.

Not picking on you...just a reminder.

L

ipmoc wrote:

> I dont understand what you mean by, " this kind of discussion should

> be listed as " Off Topic " in the Subject Line. "

>

> Please explain...

>

> >

> > Just a reminder...this kind of discussion should be listed as " Off

> > Topic " in the Subject Line.

> >

> > L

January 3, 2006

Sorry, but I disagree. I definitely care about animals. However,

people are definitely more important than animals. We obviously are not

the same, and were not created for the same purposes. That doesn't mean

I support being cruel to animals, but I certainly don't see how they

could be placed them on the same platform as people.