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In a message dated 10/22/2005 8:19:45 PM Central Daylight Time,

kristen@... writes:

It was interesting to see that those of our group who have SMA (and posted a

response) are positive about having your spouse as your primary caregiver.

My husband of 8 years is a 35 year old man with SMA. I am his primary care

giver and I honestly don't think he would respond as positively to the question,

" Does your spouse mind being your PCA? " There are days that I KNOW if I was a

paid employee, he would fire me, no questions asked.

Am I really the only person who sometimes resents being my spouse's primary

caregiver? Yeah, I knew when I agreed to marry him that was severely

disabled; I knew that life with him would be hard and I knew I may lose him

someday. However, I don't think I had any clue how hard it would truly be. Most

days, things are status quo and I don't even think of as disabled. Other

days I really wonder what life would be like with an ablebodied spouse.

Those of you out there, especially those of you who are married and have kids

(we have 3 y.o. twins), please respond! What is life like for you? Any other

wives or husbands that can relate to my situation??

Being one person who has recently been going through PA hell, I felt a

compelling urge to reply. Steve and I just celebrated our 7th wedding

anniversary,

and for all those years he has been my primary caretaker. I have worked with

numerous PAs in the past, however I have never felt comfortable enough with any

one of them to have them provide ALL of my care, including things like

cleaning/changing my trach, etc. Does he mind it, does it bother him? Sometimes

yes!

Nevertheless, he also knows that I often hate asking for help and would much

rather do things for myself, if possible. Life most people, SMA is something I

have grown to accept and live with, but there are aspects which I will never

like.

In addition to ourselves, we have two young daughters, two dogs, a rabbit, a

guinea pig, and four fish. We own a home, and I, up until about ten days ago,

had a PA coming in to help with a variety of things within our household.

However, she suddenly left her job with me without providing much explanation,

and

I am at a point now where I have had enough with outside help, have very

little faith and trust which is crucial to working with old or new PAs, and feel

it is best to have my hubby once again be my primary caretaker. Unfortunately,

he cannot get paid to do so where we live, so we are looking to relocate in

the near future since we cannot survive without him bringing in an income. Pros

and cons about him becoming my PA...he's more reliable than any PA I have ever

had, he'll show up for work when he's sick, he gets stuff done right the

first time around, he won't break my girls' hearts by simply stop showing for

work

after holding the position for a year or more, and yet I'll be far more

lenient with him than others because he's my husband. I will still hire other

help

on a part-time basis to give us both a break, but he will be doing the bulk of

my care and we both agree this will be best for our family. I think the

biggest factor we often remind ourselves of regularly is that I didn't ask for

this

and, if given a choice in the beginning of my life, I would have passed on

being so severely disabled. Now we are both committed to making the best of our

situations and will do everything we can to make our lives the best for our

kids.

Amy M. Marquez

Spinal Muscular Atrophy (SMA) - Type 1

Wife to Steve - Married October 17, 1998

Mom to le Coral - Born July 19, 1999

Mom to Harley Jasmine - Born March 9, 2004

Colette - Retired Deceased Service Dog

Ella - Retired Service Dog

Loved Family Pets - Scout, the Horse of a Golden; Nala, the Lovable Lab;

Dusty, the Snow-Gray Dwarf Bunny; Angel, the Angelic-White Guinea Pig

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Well,

I will ask my hubby what his thoughts are and get back to you later.

All I know is, for me and based on my personal experience, my husband wouldn't

or couldn't picture himself with any other woman, let alone an able bodied

one. Unless he just says this to keep him out of the " dog house " then I got

no reason to doubt his sincerity.

I suppose my parents were too supportative. They felt we should have a long

engagement to assure my fella and myself that we knew what we were heading

for. He was allowed to dress me, wash me (no body baths, but armpits)

including my hair plus he was allowed under a watchful eye to put me on the

bedpan. Yes he knew just how stinky and messy I can be, LOL. He ordained

himself as a PPP (Perfect Pad Placementman) as he actually changed my period

pads .... just how many other marriages (not SMA ones) have a husband that

would do that, hm?

So when I ask hubby, I will post later what he says.

Angie

On 2005.10.22 21:18, Tweed wrote:

> Hi everyone...I've been away from the group for a while. We moved

> during the summer and I am finally just getting my internet stuff

> updated. I read the posts about having your spouse as your primary

> caregiver and I just had to respond. It was interesting to see that

> those of our group who have SMA (and posted a response) are positive

> about having your spouse as your primary caregiver.

>

> My husband of 8 years is a 35 year old man with SMA. I am his

> primary care giver and I honestly don't think he would respond as

> positively to the question, " Does your spouse mind being your PCA? "

> There are days that I KNOW if I was a paid employee, he would fire

> me, no questions asked.

>

> Am I really the only person who sometimes resents being my spouse's

> primary caregiver? Yeah, I knew when I agreed to marry him that

> was severely disabled; I knew that life with him would be hard

> and I knew I may lose him someday. However, I don't think I had any

> clue how hard it would truly be. Most days, things are status quo

> and I don't even think of as disabled. Other days I really

> wonder what life would be like with an ablebodied spouse.

>

> Those of you out there, especially those of you who are married and

> have kids (we have 3 y.o. twins), please respond! What is life like

> for you? Any other wives or husbands that can relate to my

> situation??

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In a message dated 10/22/2005 9:19:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,

kristen@... writes:

Am I really the only person who sometimes resents being my spouse's

Primary caregiver? Yeah, I knew when I agreed to marry him that

was severely disabled; I knew that life with him would be hard

And I knew I may lose him someday. However, I don't think I had any

Clue how hard it would truly be. Most days, things are status quo

And I don't even think of as disabled. Other days I really

Wonder what life would be like with an able-bodied spouse.

Those of you out there, especially those of you who are married and

have kids (we have 3 y.o. twins), please respond! What is life like

for you? Any other wives or husbands that can relate to my

situation??

Well, now Amy and I have been together for 10 years married for 8. We met

when we were 16. We have basically grown up together. We have and lots of

experiences good and bad. The biggest change in our relationship was when we had

our daughter, Olivia two years ago. I am the abled bodied part of our

relationship. I do everything and I love it. And when I mean I do everything

from

bath and makeup to yard work and cooking. We don't have anyone to help and I

wouldn't like it any other way. I am a husband, a dad and a jack of all trades.

Some things I do good and some things I'm not too good at. Some days are good

and some days are bad. That's life though. But I don't resent anything, not

for one minute. Actually I feel blessed. My biggest concern now is Amy getting

through this pregnancy okay.(35 days left!) I knew what I was getting into

when I met Amy. We both knew what were getting ourselves into when I started

doing stuff for her. We also knew what it was going to be like when we found

out she was pregnant. I don't know what to say to you in regard to you being

resentful of your position in life. You both knew what it was going to be

like. Also a few weeks ago the question was posted about the magic pill. I

never

said it, but I wouldn't take Amy another way. No way no how!

Will

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In a message dated 10/23/2005 8:10:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

KingIbexx@... writes:

I am the abled bodied part of our

relationship. I do everything and I love it.

Will-

Your post gave me CHILLS! Thanks for your honesty!

My 20 year old daughter just married a 22 year old man with SMA-2.

~

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As I read these posts, I am amazed and in awe at all of you spouses being

the primary caregivers. I have SMA and I have never married. I can't imagine any

man taking care of me. It's not that I didn't desire marriage. I did more

than anything in the world. Unfortunately, it didn't happen for me. It really

takes a very special person and , you're one of them. I also feel that

you're very honest in admitting that sometimes it's very difficult. I'm sure

that it can be overwhelming and tiring. You are human. You probably need a

break now and then. Doesn't everyone? Personally, I think your husband needs a

health aide, at least a few hours a day. No one should be a 24-hour

caregiver. It's not fair to you. I know you love your husband and that's

wonderful,

but everyone needs some time off.

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In a message dated 10/23/2005 9:21:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Aunt617@... writes:

No one should be a 24-hour

caregiver. It's not fair to you. I know you love your husband and that's

wonderful,

but everyone needs some time off.

And no one should assume it's only the care giver that " needs a break "

sometimes. ;) It works for us 99.9% of the time and I know neither of us

could/want to picture our lives differently.

Amy

Wife to Will 11/3/95

Mama to Olivia Isabelle 9/18/03 - she's two!

http://www.babiesonline.com/babies/o/oliviathegreat/

A new addition to arrive November 28th, 2005- it's a boy!

http://babiesonline.com/babies/m/mama20305/

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In a message dated 10/23/2005 8:28:54 PM Central Daylight Time,

blueyedaze@... writes:

And no one should assume it's only the care giver that " needs a break "

sometimes. ;) It works for us 99.9% of the time and I know neither of us

could/want to picture our lives differently.

I will admit, having your spouse as your primary/only caretaker really sucks

when the two of you are fighting, but it also makes for very short-lived

arguments. I'm trying to get my hubby to post his feelings on this topic, but

his

initial reaction was " what human being doesn't picture him/herself with another

person at some point in time? " Yes, he's a pervert!!! ;-)~~ Seriously,

though, I think Amy brings up a great point...having another person to lend a

hand

even for a couple hours a week can benefit both to a great extent, but that

doesn't mean we'd change our primary caretaker if given the opportunity.

Amy M. Marquez

Spinal Muscular Atrophy (SMA) - Type 1

Wife to Steve - Married October 17, 1998

Mom to le Coral - Born July 19, 1999

Mom to Harley Jasmine - Born March 9, 2004

Colette - Retired Deceased Service Dog

Ella - Retired Service Dog

Loved Family Pets - Scout, the Horse of a Golden; Nala, the Lovable Lab;

Dusty, the Snow-Gray Dwarf Bunny; Angel, the Angelic-White Guinea Pig

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I'm sure there are times my husband gets totally fed up with taking care

of me *and* everyone else in the family. The biggest thing that seems

to drive him crazy is when I'm worried or depressed because *I'm*

thinking how much better he'd be off with an ablebodied wife. I feel

bad because *I* never knew just how hard it'd be on him. I used to be a

lot more healthy, independent and upbeat. Several life-or-death kind of

medical emergencies made me more cynical and hopeless. Psychologically

I'm a lot different than I was 14+ years ago.

But I'll ask him to see if he'll write up some sort of response...

Oh, and, , I'm glad you are back online!

Jenn

Tweed wrote:

>Those of you out there, especially those of you who are married and

>have kids (we have 3 y.o. twins), please respond! What is life like

>for you? Any other wives or husbands that can relate to my

>situation??

>

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In a message dated 10/23/2005 10:33:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Ames24@... writes:

I will admit, having your spouse as your primary/only caretaker really sucks

when the two of you are fighting, but it also makes for very short-lived

arguments. I'm trying to get my hubby to post his feelings on this topic,

but his

initial reaction was " what human being doesn't picture him/herself with

another

person at some point in time? " Yes, he's a pervert!!! ;-)~~ Seriously,

though, I think Amy brings up a great point...having another person to lend

a hand

even for a couple hours a week can benefit both to a great extent, but that

doesn't mean we'd change our primary caretaker if given the opportunity.

Exactly - that was my .1%. Heh.

Amy

Wife to Will 11/3/95

Mama to Olivia Isabelle 9/18/03 - she's two!

http://www.babiesonline.com/babies/o/oliviathegreat/

A new addition to arrive November 28th, 2005- it's a boy!

http://babiesonline.com/babies/m/mama20305/

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I was certainly Vickie's primary care giver for the last ten years. The only

time we were ever apart was back in '95 during our first six months married

when I went out of town for two nights. That wouldn't have been possible in

the most recent five years or so as she could not tolerate the pain of her aide

using the Hoyer lift to put her in her chair, nor could she ever get seated

comfortably. I lifted her and placed her in the chair or bed, etc. each time.

Her aide would get her dressed perhaps four days a week, but would not lift

her. During our first years together, I remember thinking that I needed a

break, but that feeling went away after a maybe 3 or 4 years, and I never felt

the need again. Taking care of her and all of her needs, including turning her

throughout each night was no different than taking care of myself - well,

that's not exactly true - I didn't feel that sense of love taking care of

myself. I mean, good-grief, how many AB guys married to AB females get to pick

them up and hold them in their arms several times each and every day. I was

married to AB women for 24 years before and never got to do that!

Vickie got her first aide (actually the only aide we ever had) only one year

before we met. This was after her first husband died at age 39. He was her

sole caregiver for 8 or 9 years before that. Before her marriage, it was only

members of her family - parents, or one or another of two sisters, and rarely

their husbands.

I broke my shoulder back in '96 and for a couple of months her 16 year old

niece had to help me with the lift, then it was almost six months before I

could actually pick her up in my arms again - damn shoulder took a year in all

to heal. Because of her pain, I did began to worry in the last year or so

about what would happen when I got too old to lift her comfortably.

I also did all lifting at doctor's appointments, hospitals, dentists, etc.,

- x-ray tables, CTs, surgical tables - she wouldn't have procedures without me

present - not my choice - hers - actually both my AB wives were also like

that! - go figure!

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Okay, i asked Doug, my husband, if he had any concerns, complaints, woes or

annoyances being my primary care giver. The one thing he truly hates doing is

wiping up after I do a bad dump (diaherrea). It just takes longer to clean me

up. Oh and he also says he hates it when I approach him in a cutesy way to

ask for help. He rather me just to spit it out, he will do it, no worries

there. He doesn't want me to be huffing and puffing or uncomfy if he can

help. All I gotta do is be direct and ask.

Otherwise, he said he has no problems taking care of me.

(No doghouse for him eh?)

Angie

On 2005.10.23 20:09, KingIbexx@... wrote:

> In a message dated 10/22/2005 9:19:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> kristen@... writes:

>

> Am I really the only person who sometimes resents being my spouse's

> Primary caregiver? Yeah, I knew when I agreed to marry him that

> was severely disabled; I knew that life with him would be hard

> And I knew I may lose him someday. However, I don't think I had any

> Clue how hard it would truly be. Most days, things are status quo

> And I don't even think of as disabled. Other days I really

> Wonder what life would be like with an able-bodied spouse.

>

> Those of you out there, especially those of you who are married and

> have kids (we have 3 y.o. twins), please respond! What is life like

> for you? Any other wives or husbands that can relate to my

> situation??

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Well, now Amy and I have been together for 10 years married for 8. We met

> when we were 16. We have basically grown up together. We have and lots of

> experiences good and bad. The biggest change in our relationship was when

> we had our daughter, Olivia two years ago. I am the abled bodied part of

> our relationship. I do everything and I love it. And when I mean I do

> everything from bath and makeup to yard work and cooking. We don't have

> anyone to help and I wouldn't like it any other way. I am a husband, a dad

> and a jack of all trades. Some things I do good and some things I'm not

> too good at. Some days are good and some days are bad. That's life though.

> But I don't resent anything, not for one minute. Actually I feel blessed.

> My biggest concern now is Amy getting through this pregnancy okay.(35 days

> left!) I knew what I was getting into when I met Amy. We both knew what

> were getting ourselves into when I started doing stuff for her. We also

> knew what it was going to be like when we found out she was pregnant. I

> don't know what to say to you in regard to you being resentful of your

> position in life. You both knew what it was going to be like. Also a few

> weeks ago the question was posted about the magic pill. I never said it,

> but I wouldn't take Amy another way. No way no how!

>

> Will

>

>

>

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I haven't got a response from Lee yet. Not sure I will. But I have a

sneaking suspicion that he'd label those two things as being near the

top of his " annoyance " list. He also doesn't like it when I yell from

one room to another, ask for non-urgent things at really inconvenient

times, request things in a whiney way or mumble. (The last thing

especially can be a problem because he is very hard-of hearing.)

Jenn

Angie wrote:

>Okay, i asked Doug, my husband, if he had any concerns, complaints, woes or

>annoyances being my primary care giver. The one thing he truly hates doing is

>wiping up after I do a bad dump (diaherrea). It just takes longer to clean me

>up. Oh and he also says he hates it when I approach him in a cutesy way to

>ask for help. He rather me just to spit it out, he will do it, no worries

>there. He doesn't want me to be huffing and puffing or uncomfy if he can

>help. All I gotta do is be direct and ask.

>

>Otherwise, he said he has no problems taking care of me.

>

>(No doghouse for him eh?)

>

>Angie

>

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>

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Angie,

I don't know if you could do this, but it has helped me to feel cleaner,

especially during our least fave time of the month. I have a hose hooked to the

sink which is next to the potty.

When I don't feel " fresh " I use that for extra cleanliness. Kinda like a bidet!

haha or maybe you can invest in a bidet?

Angie <angie@...> wrote:

Okay, i asked Doug, my husband, if he had any concerns, complaints, woes or

annoyances being my primary care giver. The one thing he truly hates doing is

wiping up after I do a bad dump (diaherrea). It just takes longer to clean me

up. Oh and he also says he hates it when I approach him in a cutesy way to

ask for help. He rather me just to spit it out, he will do it, no worries

there. He doesn't want me to be huffing and puffing or uncomfy if he can

help. All I gotta do is be direct and ask.

Otherwise, he said he has no problems taking care of me.

(No doghouse for him eh?)

Angie

On 2005.10.23 20:09, KingIbexx@... wrote:

> In a message dated 10/22/2005 9:19:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> kristen@... writes:

>

> Am I really the only person who sometimes resents being my spouse's

> Primary caregiver? Yeah, I knew when I agreed to marry him that

> was severely disabled; I knew that life with him would be hard

> And I knew I may lose him someday. However, I don't think I had any

> Clue how hard it would truly be. Most days, things are status quo

> And I don't even think of as disabled. Other days I really

> Wonder what life would be like with an able-bodied spouse.

>

> Those of you out there, especially those of you who are married and

> have kids (we have 3 y.o. twins), please respond! What is life like

> for you? Any other wives or husbands that can relate to my

> situation??

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Well, now Amy and I have been together for 10 years married for 8. We met

> when we were 16. We have basically grown up together. We have and lots of

> experiences good and bad. The biggest change in our relationship was when

> we had our daughter, Olivia two years ago. I am the abled bodied part of

> our relationship. I do everything and I love it. And when I mean I do

> everything from bath and makeup to yard work and cooking. We don't have

> anyone to help and I wouldn't like it any other way. I am a husband, a dad

> and a jack of all trades. Some things I do good and some things I'm not

> too good at. Some days are good and some days are bad. That's life though.

> But I don't resent anything, not for one minute. Actually I feel blessed.

> My biggest concern now is Amy getting through this pregnancy okay.(35 days

> left!) I knew what I was getting into when I met Amy. We both knew what

> were getting ourselves into when I started doing stuff for her. We also

> knew what it was going to be like when we found out she was pregnant. I

> don't know what to say to you in regard to you being resentful of your

> position in life. You both knew what it was going to be like. Also a few

> weeks ago the question was posted about the magic pill. I never said it,

> but I wouldn't take Amy another way. No way no how!

>

> Will

>

>

>

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A hose, huh? I'll try that one day. I'll probably end-up showering myself

all over. *LOL*

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But how you react to it...

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Subject: Re: Spouse as PCA

Angie,

I don't know if you could do this, but it has helped me to feel cleaner,

especially during our least fave time of the month. I have a hose hooked to

the sink which is next to the potty.

When I don't feel " fresh " I use that for extra cleanliness. Kinda like a

bidet! haha or maybe you can invest in a bidet?

Angie <angie@...> wrote:

Okay, i asked Doug, my husband, if he had any concerns, complaints, woes or

annoyances being my primary care giver. The one thing he truly hates doing

is

wiping up after I do a bad dump (diaherrea). It just takes longer to clean

me

up. Oh and he also says he hates it when I approach him in a cutesy way to

ask for help. He rather me just to spit it out, he will do it, no worries

there. He doesn't want me to be huffing and puffing or uncomfy if he can

help. All I gotta do is be direct and ask.

Otherwise, he said he has no problems taking care of me.

(No doghouse for him eh?)

Angie

On 2005.10.23 20:09, KingIbexx@... wrote:

> In a message dated 10/22/2005 9:19:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> kristen@... writes:

>

> Am I really the only person who sometimes resents being my spouse's

> Primary caregiver? Yeah, I knew when I agreed to marry him that

> was severely disabled; I knew that life with him would be hard

> And I knew I may lose him someday. However, I don't think I had any

> Clue how hard it would truly be. Most days, things are status quo

> And I don't even think of as disabled. Other days I really

> Wonder what life would be like with an able-bodied spouse.

>

> Those of you out there, especially those of you who are married and

> have kids (we have 3 y.o. twins), please respond! What is life like

> for you? Any other wives or husbands that can relate to my

> situation??

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Well, now Amy and I have been together for 10 years married for 8. We met

> when we were 16. We have basically grown up together. We have and lots of

> experiences good and bad. The biggest change in our relationship was when

> we had our daughter, Olivia two years ago. I am the abled bodied part of

> our relationship. I do everything and I love it. And when I mean I do

> everything from bath and makeup to yard work and cooking. We don't have

> anyone to help and I wouldn't like it any other way. I am a husband, a dad

> and a jack of all trades. Some things I do good and some things I'm not

> too good at. Some days are good and some days are bad. That's life though.

> But I don't resent anything, not for one minute. Actually I feel blessed.

> My biggest concern now is Amy getting through this pregnancy okay.(35 days

> left!) I knew what I was getting into when I met Amy. We both knew what

> were getting ourselves into when I started doing stuff for her. We also

> knew what it was going to be like when we found out she was pregnant. I

> don't know what to say to you in regard to you being resentful of your

> position in life. You both knew what it was going to be like. Also a few

> weeks ago the question was posted about the magic pill. I never said it,

> but I wouldn't take Amy another way. No way no how!

>

> Will

>

>

>

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Wow, thanks to all of you who responded to my post. It is so

interesting to read all the different points of view. In response to

some questions/comments I wanted to add a little bit more on the

topic. I am not a caregiver 24/7. I work full-time and am away from

the home approximately nine hours a day. For me, I enjoy working and

that is my " break " .

We have a full-time babysitter for our kids who also doubles as

's aide when he needs a drink, lunch or assistance with

anything else. Her interaction with him is fairly minimal and she

doesn't do any physical care.

My main gripe is not having the freedom to go on a girls' weekend to

the beach or spend a Saturday doing my own thing. is at a

point where he is not comfortable staying overnight with anyone

other than me. He will occasionally spend a day with his mom or

sister, but it takes a lot for him to agree to this and it is never

enthusiastic on his part.

I don't think it is wrong for me to want to spend time without my

spouse. I actually think it's healthy.

Jenn, please ask Lee to respond! I view your situation as very

similar to ours. I know that most of the time it doesn't pay to

think about things that can't change anyway, but it's nice to know

you are not alone!

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>I don't think it is wrong for me to want to spend time without my

>spouse. I actually think it's healthy.

>

I think so too. I would actually like for my husband to be able to go

on weekend trips by himself. Some of the guys we know are going on a

trip to a men's monastery, and I know he really, really wishes he could

go. And honestly, I'd like to be able to go alone on overnights with

girlfriends too. Tonight at dinner we were talking about this whole

discussion and we tried wracking our brains to think if we even knew

anyone that could both physically take care of me and would be OK with

all the other nitty-gritty stuff. We seriously could not think of one

single person! It also doesn't help that our house is small and kind of

set up for only Lee to take care of me. Our bed is up real high cuz

it's easier on his back, but it's too high to use a hoyer lift. In fact

I permanently lent my hoyer lift to Kris B because there is also no

extra space to keep it handy in our house.

So in otherwords, I'd have no problem being " on my own, " but I'm sure

how I'd make it work.

Jenn

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Hey Jenn,

Maybe y'all could compromise for the monastery trip. You and the girls go with

Lee. Then during the day, he and his male buddies could go off, and then he

could stay with you all at night. Then while he is gone, you and the girls

could just browse malls, etc. So you all get a little vacation? You're still

together technically, but not too much. Possibility?

Just brainstorming!

Blessings,

Holly

>

> From: Jenn Malatesta <nekrosys@...>

> Date: 2005/10/24 Mon PM 10:00:31 GST

>

> Subject: Re: Re: Spouse as PCA

>

> Tweed wrote:

>

> >I don't think it is wrong for me to want to spend time without my

> >spouse. I actually think it's healthy.

> >

> I think so too. I would actually like for my husband to be able to go

> on weekend trips by himself. Some of the guys we know are going on a

> trip to a men's monastery, and I know he really, really wishes he could

> go. And honestly, I'd like to be able to go alone on overnights with

> girlfriends too. Tonight at dinner we were talking about this whole

> discussion and we tried wracking our brains to think if we even knew

> anyone that could both physically take care of me and would be OK with

> all the other nitty-gritty stuff. We seriously could not think of one

> single person! It also doesn't help that our house is small and kind of

> set up for only Lee to take care of me. Our bed is up real high cuz

> it's easier on his back, but it's too high to use a hoyer lift. In fact

> I permanently lent my hoyer lift to Kris B because there is also no

> extra space to keep it handy in our house.

>

> So in otherwords, I'd have no problem being " on my own, " but I'm sure

> how I'd make it work.

>

> Jenn

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Thanks for the idea. I actually already suggested this as an option,

but Lee didn't think it'd work very well for some reason or another. I

thought it was a good idea too. Maybe he is afraid he'll spend too much

money at the mall?! We do definately get a lot of daytrips away from

one another, so at least there is that. :)

Jenn

hollyrp@... wrote:

>Hey Jenn,

>Maybe y'all could compromise for the monastery trip. You and the girls go with

Lee. Then during the day, he and his male buddies could go off, and then he

could stay with you all at night. Then while he is gone, you and the girls

could just browse malls, etc. So you all get a little vacation? You're still

together technically, but not too much. Possibility?

>Just brainstorming!

>Blessings,

>Holly

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Chuck does very little care for me and for our 1st 5 years together we didn't

live in the same house. There are definitely things he doesn't like doing, but

he's always been very willing, nonetheless. He and I do many things for each

other out of love and caring for each other's wellbeing. I glad we're also free

to say, " I don't like doing this " even though we're willing.

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This is sweet, Bob.

On 10/23/05 11:46 PM, " rcmjr@... " <rcmjr@...> wrote:

> I was certainly Vickie's primary care giver for the last ten years. The only

> time we were ever apart was back in '95 during our first six months married

> when I went out of town for two nights. That wouldn't have been possible in

> the most recent five years or so as she could not tolerate the pain of her

> aide

> using the Hoyer lift to put her in her chair, nor could she ever get seated

> comfortably. I lifted her and placed her in the chair or bed, etc. each time.

> Her aide would get her dressed perhaps four days a week, but would not lift

> her. During our first years together, I remember thinking that I needed a

> break, but that feeling went away after a maybe 3 or 4 years, and I never

> felt

> the need again. Taking care of her and all of her needs, including turning

> her

> throughout each night was no different than taking care of myself - well,

> that's not exactly true - I didn't feel that sense of love taking care of

> myself. I mean, good-grief, how many AB guys married to AB females get to

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> before we met. This was after her first husband died at age 39. He was her

> sole caregiver for 8 or 9 years before that. Before her marriage, it was only

> members of her family - parents, or one or another of two sisters, and rarely

> their husbands.

>

> I broke my shoulder back in '96 and for a couple of months her 16 year old

> niece had to help me with the lift, then it was almost six months before I

> could actually pick her up in my arms again - damn shoulder took a year in

> all

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> about what would happen when I got too old to lift her comfortably.

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I never read that anyone was " tired " of being the caregiver. I think you

missed the point. I think there are days the caregiver is just plain tired. So

what? That's being very honest and very human. Sometimes people need a break

or a little help. That's fine and no one should feel guilty for admitting

that. It's better than holding it in. That's when the resentment begins. I think

it's better to say, " I need a break. "

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Everyone needs occasional breaks, regardless of what we're doing. None of us

are machines. I'm sure your hubby loves you and loves what he's doing. That's

besides the point. Do you understand what I'm saying? Also, what does

gender have to do with anything?!!

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Resent, tired, who cares. Maybe she just typed the word wrong.

I've been in a relationship living with the same guy for 25 yrs and both of

us are disabled. I'm a SMA2/3 and he is a paraplegic. For several years now

I've been in charge of his care. He developed having seizures for some

unknown reason. He has short term memory and confusion and can't be left

alone.

I can't physically do everything for him but I am completely in charge of

his affairs. I have to make sure he has 24 hr caregivers, and that they show

up and do what they're supposed to do. Being in a confused state isn't always

easy, he'll keep asking the same question over and over, and please don't

say just walk away that don't work either. Even when he's in the hospital he

still requires my attention, not understanding why he's there, not being able

to talk with the Drs. At home when a caregiver don't show I must either find

a fill in or make sure things are in place where I need them before the

other 1 leaves. He spends that time in bed so he won't be able to roam. A lot

of times the caregivers don't show and then I got to go through the hiring and

interviewing again. It's hard to plan a day out because you don't know for

sure whether the caregiver is going to show. Yes sometimes I get tired and

maybe resent it a little that my life evoles around him so much. Sometimes

it's hard leaving him because he is more comfortable with my being around. You

can leave the house but yet you have to keep up with things at home with the

cell phone. It'd be great to get away for a girls weekend, I don't care how

old I am. Even though we aren't married I'm still in love with him, I

wouldn't leave him for anything. It maybe hard for some to understand what

we're

trying to say here, you need to be in our situation. Sure it's easy to say

i'm going out for the day but yet back in your mind they are still there. I

just don't get it some people think that us women shouldn't get tired being a

caregiver, why not. Just because we're women we're supposed to be more

caring, a relationship is between 2 people a man can get tired just as tired as

we do. I can relate with the lady who stated her husband felt more

comfortable with her care and not with others, mine the same way. I don't

believe

anybody would want to spend there every minute with their mate. Not going

anywhere or doing anything apart, if you do you must be newly wed. I'm sorry

if

i've rambelled on but I just wanted to give my thoughts about this.

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I don't want to start any fights or anything, but I'd like to say some comments.

First, I'm a little surprised that a " woman " is the one feeling a bit tired of

being the caregiver just because " typically " women are known to be the nurturing

type and all that junk. :)

I'm not putting any one down, I just found it surprising to me. :)

The other comment I want to make is that I feel that after marriage " girls

weekends out " are kind of over. I mean isn't that part of why we get married? So

we're not all giving our lives to our friends but rather to the one we chose to

spend our life with? Not sure if I am saying exactly what I am thinking, but I

hope it makes some kind of sense. That is not to say we can't hang out with our

friends, but spending a whole weekend away to me would totally suck...and my

hubby agrees. :) Sure there are things I can't do that he can, but we do all

kinds of fun stuff together that we both enjoy and no weekend away with the

girls can beat that for me! :)

Tweed <kristen@...> wrote:

Wow, thanks to all of you who responded to my post. It is so

interesting to read all the different points of view. In response to

some questions/comments I wanted to add a little bit more on the

topic. I am not a caregiver 24/7. I work full-time and am away from

the home approximately nine hours a day. For me, I enjoy working and

that is my " break " .

We have a full-time babysitter for our kids who also doubles as

's aide when he needs a drink, lunch or assistance with

anything else. Her interaction with him is fairly minimal and she

doesn't do any physical care.

My main gripe is not having the freedom to go on a girls' weekend to

the beach or spend a Saturday doing my own thing. is at a

point where he is not comfortable staying overnight with anyone

other than me. He will occasionally spend a day with his mom or

sister, but it takes a lot for him to agree to this and it is never

enthusiastic on his part.

I don't think it is wrong for me to want to spend time without my

spouse. I actually think it's healthy.

Jenn, please ask Lee to respond! I view your situation as very

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think about things that can't change anyway, but it's nice to know

you are not alone!

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Thanks . I don't think I missed the point. I don't even disagree that some

people may get " tired. " I was simply saying I'm surprised by it being a women.

That's just ME being surprised, not a big deal I thought. I don't think she

should feel guilty either. :) I just think not ALL people will need a break. I

used to think that and feel it when past ppl kind of got tired of helping

me...but some people can help us without thinking twice, as someone stated " as

caring for himself. " For some people they never think twice that we need the

help and its natural for them to just do it. I am so very thankful my hubby is

one of those people. :) I didn't believe they existed, but they do! :)

Aunt617@... wrote:

I never read that anyone was " tired " of being the caregiver. I think you

missed the point. I think there are days the caregiver is just plain tired. So

what? That's being very honest and very human. Sometimes people need a break

or a little help. That's fine and no one should feel guilty for admitting

that. It's better than holding it in. That's when the resentment begins. I think

it's better to say, " I need a break. "

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