Re: Dangerous Witchdoctoring...Really?

[Guest guest]

Oh, so many things to say...so obviously written by a mother of a child who hasn't been harmed by vaccines. I used to be one of them. I remember how it felt to be so self-righteous. Life is funny that way.

1. To begin, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

I brought my daughter in for her vaccinations, and she kept getting progressively sicker, mentally, and physically, all the while being told by her "medically literate" doctors it was making her healthier. So I did it...over and over and over...expecting a different result. That was insane, albeit "responsible" by this mother's definition.

2. If I am "medically illiterate", then why did it took hours of my own personal research to figure out what was wrong with my child? Something three pediatricians, two neurologists, an ENT, a developmental therapist, and three speech therapists couldn't figure out? Why was it me questioning whether or not vaccinating a child on antibiotics and a nebulizer was a good idea if I'm so "medically illiterate"?

3. I guess I'm not sure what this mom defines as "miniscule risk". Encephalitis and death are two of the documented and known risks just of the DTaP shot. 6 children will die A YEAR from these shots. (I just found the sheet that was given to us in our packet on the way home from the hospital. This was on the information they handed out.) Irreversible brain damage and death don't sound that miniscule to me, even if it is "only" 6 children. That's a pretty convenient position to have when one of those 6 dead babies isn't yours.

Add to that the fact that there is no research being done on who may be suceptible to those consequences. You cross your fingers and hold your breath that it isn't your child. And God forbid anything does happen to your child, well darn it, it was all for the greater good. You were being a "responsible" parent and citizen of the world. Your child was a noble casualty who served us all in the war on disease, even though you didn't realize they had been drafted.

4. At a minimum, will this mom give us (those of us who have lost a child to the damages done by a vaccine) a "thank you"? Would she regard the vaccine injured children of the world as "heroes"? If so, where is all the attention they deserve? Where's my daughter's metal? Where is our reward for being such a self-sacrificing family? As far as I know, we haven't gotten one. There's no plaque on our wall...no check coming in the mail...no monument in the park. Such a self-sacrificing, "responsible" mother as myself at least deserves a little acknowledgment, right? I did the world a favor, right? My daughter's brain damage and pain filled life is all for everyone's benefit, right? I mean, at a minimum, some six month old baby might not contract Hepatitis B because of her, right? Phew. At least it was worth it.

5. My oldest child is fully vaccinated. As far as we know now, he is fine. But seeing as vaccines are not being studied for any long-term affects they might have, we may never know if that is true.

I suppose four years ago before my vaccine-damaged daughter was born (the second child), I might have had the luxury of such a position as this mother. It's easy to criticize when it has not affected you personally. How I long for the time when life was that black and white.

But I now have another child. A second daughter. And I'll be damned if I ever let a vaccination near her body. That would be insane. Does that mean I am a "responsible" mother to only my eldest child and an irresponsible mother to my youngest? Perhaps to some, yes.

But I am not the mother to those people. I am the mother to the children God gave me. And I have seen what vaccinations can do to my children, particularily my girls. To enlist my newest daughter in the war on the disease with a weapon this woman even admits "(isn't) 100% effective" and may very likely back-fire on her is something I just won't do.

So for now, we're done with this war. We've served and we've lost. And we're defecting.

Let this "responsible" mom sacrifice her child for mine now if she so chooses. I already sacrifcied one for hers.

-------------- Original message -------------- Dangerous Witchdoctoring One mother and bad trends. "And yet even now, too many selfish and medically illiterate parents are sending children to school unimmunized against basic childhood diseases like measles and mumps.They refuse to expose their children to the miniscule risks of vaccination, gambling that the herd immunity of other, vaccinated children will keep them safe. Most of the time it will: responsible families assume all the risks, while irresponsible ones benefit. But it’s a narrow margin of safety, and if enough children in a community are unvaccinated, herd immunity disappears and everyone is in more danger, because vaccinations aren't 100-percent effective."

[Guest guest]

Wow...this note by should really be in a book somewhere! this was powerful, great and passionate.... I am saving it to read over a couple of times....My thoughts exactly but I could never be so articulate.......you really have a gift with expressing yourself and to the point...thanks for this great note..

Kathleen

Re: Dangerous Witchdoctoring...Really?

Oh, so many things to say...so obviously written by a mother of a child who hasn't been harmed by vaccines. I used to be one of them. I remember how it felt to be so self-righteous. Life is funny that way.

1. To begin, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

I brought my daughter in for her vaccinations, and she kept getting progressively sicker, mentally, and physically, all the while being told by her "medically literate" doctors it was making her healthier. So I did it...over and over and over...expecting a different result. That was insane, albeit "responsible" by this mother's definition.

2. If I am "medically illiterate", then why did it took hours of my own personal research to figure out what was wrong with my child? Something three pediatricians, two neurologists, an ENT, a developmental therapist, and three speech therapists couldn't figure out? Why was it me questioning whether or not vaccinating a child on antibiotics and a nebulizer was a good idea if I'm so "medically illiterate"?

3. I guess I'm not sure what this mom defines as "miniscule risk". Encephalitis and death are two of the documented and known risks just of the DTaP shot. 6 children will die A YEAR from these shots. (I just found the sheet that was given to us in our packet on the way home from the hospital. This was on the information they handed out.) Irreversible brain damage and death don't sound that miniscule to me, even if it is "only" 6 children. That's a pretty convenient position to have when one of those 6 dead babies isn't yours.

Add to that the fact that there is no research being done on who may be suceptible to those consequences. You cross your fingers and hold your breath that it isn't your child. And God forbid anything does happen to your child, well darn it, it was all for the greater good. You were being a "responsible" parent and citizen of the world. Your child was a noble casualty who served us all in the war on disease, even though you didn't realize they had been drafted.

4. At a minimum, will this mom give us (those of us who have lost a child to the damages done by a vaccine) a "thank you"? Would she regard the vaccine injured children of the world as "heroes"? If so, where is all the attention they deserve? Where's my daughter's metal? Where is our reward for being such a self-sacrificing family? As far as I know, we haven't gotten one. There's no plaque on our wall...no check coming in the mail...no monument in the park. Such a self-sacrificing, "responsible" mother as myself at least deserves a little acknowledgment, right? I did the world a favor, right? My daughter's brain damage and pain filled life is all for everyone's benefit, right? I mean, at a minimum, some six month old baby might not contract Hepatitis B because of her, right? Phew. At least it was worth it.

5. My oldest child is fully vaccinated. As far as we know now, he is fine. But seeing as vaccines are not being studied for any long-term affects they might have, we may never know if that is true.

I suppose four years ago before my vaccine-damaged daughter was born (the second child), I might have had the luxury of such a position as this mother. It's easy to criticize when it has not affected you personally. How I long for the time when life was that black and white.

But I now have another child. A second daughter. And I'll be damned if I ever let a vaccination near her body. That would be insane. Does that mean I am a "responsible" mother to only my eldest child and an irresponsible mother to my youngest? Perhaps to some, yes.

But I am not the mother to those people. I am the mother to the children God gave me. And I have seen what vaccinations can do to my children, particularily my girls. To enlist my newest daughter in the war on the disease with a weapon this woman even admits "(isn't) 100% effective" and may very likely back-fire on her is something I just won't do.

So for now, we're done with this war. We've served and we've lost. And we're defecting.

Let this "responsible" mom sacrifice her child for mine now if she so chooses. I already sacrifcied one for hers.

-------------- Original message -------------- Dangerous Witchdoctoring One mother and bad trends. "And yet even now, too many selfish and medically illiterate parents are sending children to school unimmunized against basic childhood diseases like measles and mumps.They refuse to expose their children to the miniscule risks of vaccination, gambling that the herd immunity of other, vaccinated children will keep them safe. Most of the time it will: responsible families assume all the risks, while irresponsible ones benefit. But it’s a narrow margin of safety, and if enough children in a community are unvaccinated, herd immunity disappears and everyone is in more danger, because vaccinations aren't 100-percent effective."