RE: Re: bus ordeal/ Everyone

October 21, 2005

Okay, I am tired of this " bus ordeal " crap. It wasn't an assault, nor a

rape, as some of you put it. That is just insane.

Now, for all of you, here is some info on me. I am 28, single, have a BS

(honors) and an MA (honors) and 2 yrs of doctorate work finished in clinical

psychology. Currently I am on a medical leave until next summer due to

tendonitis. My MDA doctor told me I need to take it easy, but when you're

doing a PhD program, you need to be a part-time or full-time student and

finish the program in 7 years, max. I have an extra year, since my MA

courses qualified as doctorate-level, so I went straight to the 2nd yr

doctorate program. My family and I are about to move, and I am looking for

work in the new area, which is over 30 miles from where I live now, Chicago.

I did my internship, 1,000 hours, in a hospice. I cared for dying patients,

helping them have a peaceful death, I helped the families during that

terrible time and I conducted grief counseling with family members, and

children, who had trouble dealing with the death.

I care deeply for people, and even though I am disabled and live with a

terrible disease, I am aware that there are people out there far worse and

those whose suffering is much greater than mine. So I see these people,

their horrid pain, and I thank God for what I have. I don't consider myself

a saint, or a genius, or a great psychologist. But I do consider myself as

a mature woman, who deserves respect, and I treat others with respect.

However, if I am being attacked, I will fight back and I can be a wicked

bitch too! :-)

I don't consider my wheelchair an extension of my body. I know who I am and

the wheelchair is a necessary piece of equipment to help me be more

independent. I have my own distinct personality, I identify with women,

with human beings, not with machinery. I have my own identity and

self-respect, and I never use my disability to get special treatment.

This friendship group is not friendly at all, especially to people who may

voice a different opinion on certain topics. Then the insults begin to fly

out. If any of you think I am a bitch, thanks! :-) I'll take that as a

compliment. :-)

~Meg.

( My Blog = <http://meg77.blogspot.com/> http://meg77.blogspot.com )

" Life is not what happens to you,

But how you react to it...

For what caused you react will surely pass,

But how you continue to react,

Can only be passed by you. "

_____

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Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 7:02 PM

Subject: Re: Re: bus ordeal/ Kendra

Meg,

So tell us more. Are you looking for a job? Taking some time off?

How's your love life? What do you do for fun? What transportation do

you have? You live up north, right? (I think) Does the winter weather

put a damper on your social life? I didn't have a social life when I

lived up north. I moved to Houston from N.Y. when I was 20 y/o and

never looked back. The severe weather had me sick much of the time. My

little sister still hasn't forgiven me for leaving her.

Was your undergraduate degree in psychology? Mine was and I loved it.

I went on to complete a master's in social work as some of our fellow

list members (a is a master's level SW and is in second

year of grad school).

Lori

Pink-Tulip wrote:

>

> I'm just a 28 yr old unemployed psychologist, so I'm just sharing my

> opinion. Not professional. I've got plenty of issues I can't deal

> with on

> my own.

>

> ~Meg.

>

> ( My Blog = <http://meg77.blogspot.com/> http://meg77.blogspot.com )

>

> " Life is not what happens to you,

>

> But how you react to it...

>

> For what caused you react will surely pass,

>

> But how you continue to react,

>

> Can only be passed by you. "

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October 21, 2005

many of us would regard it as a traumatic violation. you dont. why show such

disrespect for the feelings of others by calling it crap and insane when others

could equally escallate this by using similar insulting language about your

views?

good to read your intro. maybe i have missed something in this thread as i dont

recall people insulting you. will look back through the thread.

anyways i have often expressed diffferent opinions here and felt it was ok as

long as it did not get personal.

cheers

linda

Re: Re: bus ordeal/ Kendra

Meg,

So tell us more. Are you looking for a job? Taking some time off?

How's your love life? What do you do for fun? What transportation do

you have? You live up north, right? (I think) Does the winter weather

put a damper on your social life? I didn't have a social life when I

lived up north. I moved to Houston from N.Y. when I was 20 y/o and

never looked back. The severe weather had me sick much of the time. My

little sister still hasn't forgiven me for leaving her.

Was your undergraduate degree in psychology? Mine was and I loved it.

I went on to complete a master's in social work as some of our fellow

list members (a is a master's level SW and is in second

year of grad school).

Lori

Pink-Tulip wrote:

>

> I'm just a 28 yr old unemployed psychologist, so I'm just sharing my

> opinion. Not professional. I've got plenty of issues I can't deal

> with on

> my own.

>

> ~Meg.

>

> ( My Blog = <http://meg77.blogspot.com/> http://meg77.blogspot.com )

>

> " Life is not what happens to you,

>

> But how you react to it...

>

> For what caused you react will surely pass,

>

> But how you continue to react,

>

> Can only be passed by you. "

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* The list members come from many backgrounds, ages and beliefs So all

members most be tolerant and respectful to all members.

* Some adult language and topics (like sexual health, swearing..) may

occur occasionally in emails. Over use of inappropriate language will

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October 21, 2005

I have been insulted, but a couple of people. I was supportive, until this

whole issue got out of hand. I really got pissed when my views didn't go

over well with some members and they made it personal. I treat people with

respect, but I don't let people walk all over me.

I am new to this group and I didn't expect to be attacked for my opinion,

which differed. When I say " Drop it " in my posts, I mean the stupid back

and forth arguments over how insensitive I am, or how bitchy.

I've met a couple of friends on here, thank God. This constant bickering

isn't helping anyone, and I wish it would just stop. But I will defend

myself. I have that human right. As we all do.

I hope you have a good experience on here. :-)

~Meg.

( My Blog = <http://meg77.blogspot.com/> http://meg77.blogspot.com )

" Life is not what happens to you,

But how you react to it...

For what caused you react will surely pass,

But how you continue to react,

Can only be passed by you. "

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Lind@

Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 12:27 PM

Subject: Re: Re: bus ordeal/ Everyone

many of us would regard it as a traumatic violation. you dont. why show such

disrespect for the feelings of others by calling it crap and insane when

others could equally escallate this by using similar insulting language

about your views?

good to read your intro. maybe i have missed something in this thread as i

dont recall people insulting you. will look back through the thread.

anyways i have often expressed diffferent opinions here and felt it was ok

as long as it did not get personal.

cheers

linda

Re: Re: bus ordeal/ Kendra

Meg,

So tell us more. Are you looking for a job? Taking some time off?

How's your love life? What do you do for fun? What transportation do

you have? You live up north, right? (I think) Does the winter weather

put a damper on your social life? I didn't have a social life when I

lived up north. I moved to Houston from N.Y. when I was 20 y/o and

never looked back. The severe weather had me sick much of the time. My

little sister still hasn't forgiven me for leaving her.

Was your undergraduate degree in psychology? Mine was and I loved it.

I went on to complete a master's in social work as some of our fellow

list members (a is a master's level SW and is in second

year of grad school).

Lori

Pink-Tulip wrote:

>

> I'm just a 28 yr old unemployed psychologist, so I'm just sharing my

> opinion. Not professional. I've got plenty of issues I can't deal

> with on

> my own.

>

> ~Meg.

>

> ( My Blog = <http://meg77.blogspot.com/> http://meg77.blogspot.com )

>

> " Life is not what happens to you,

>

> But how you react to it...

>

> For what caused you react will surely pass,

>

> But how you continue to react,

>

> Can only be passed by you. "

A FEW RULES

* The list members come from many backgrounds, ages and beliefs So all

members most be tolerant and respectful to all members.

* Some adult language and topics (like sexual health, swearing..) may

occur occasionally in emails. Over use of inappropriate language will

not be allowed. If your under 16 ask your parents/gaurdian before you

join the list.

* No SPAMMING or sending numerous emails unrelated to the topics of

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October 21, 2005

Meg,

If you want to throw out credentials, I graduated Summa Cum Laude w/a degree

in Bio/Chem (pre-med). I too am on medical leave from an ivy league school

where I am almost finished my masters in Bio/Med Ethics. As for the personal

information I am 27 and engaged. You say, " I do consider myself as a mature

woman, who deserves respect, and I treat others with respect. " Are you

treating Kendra w/respect here? It's fine and dandy to say you care for others

and " I am aware that there are people out there far worse and those whose

suffering is much greater than mine. " How do you define someone who is

suffering

more than you? You say it is insane to think of her ordeal as a rape? I

doubt the person meant sexual rape, but emotional rape. She was physically

moved (assaulted) against her will, giving her no control of her own physical

space. She was stripped of her basic right of autonomy. Is someone dealing

w/emotional rape suffering more than you? For her this has caused emotional

trauma, as many people w/disabilities experience usually through lack of

control issues in their lives. I do not think your clinical experience

includes

this type of case. You stated all of your experience as a psychologist have

been w/dying patients in a hospice. True, it may seem that the cases you

treated had more dire needs than Kendra's bus ordeal. BUT, as I have been

taught

all cases are different. You cannot treat and compare one clinical case to

another when dealing w/a person's feelings. Comparing consoling families of

dying people to a traumatizing event in someone's life is irrational to me.

As a psychologist, it seems wrong that you are belittling someone's emotions

towards a situation she deems traumatizing. Isn't it your job to offer

support, understanding, and help to those in emotional distress? In medical

ethics we have what is called the Hippocratic Oath, which psychiatrists take.

Is

there not such a morale for non-medical clinicians in your field? I am not

trying to attack you, but pose some questions and points of view it seems you

have not considered. This group is a friendly supportive environment. This

may be why you see more posts supporting her rather than saying " get over

it. " I think you are taking the support as attacks against your opinion too

personally.

Kimi

In a message dated 10/21/2005 12:45:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

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