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If your vendor is a certified Invacare vendor should be able to do a

simple adjustment.

Lori

> Hi everyone

> I just got an invacare Arrow wheelchair. However, the joystick is

so stiff

> that I cant use it :(

> Has anyone else had this problem?? Any ideas what I can do??

> Thanks

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Yes, ask for a softer joystick boot cover.

Don't remember it's part number, else remove it and do your best to keep it

dry ... risky or see if someone can get some stretchy material to replace the

cover (I've a friend who did this ... material is like the kind use on roho

cushions.

Good luck.

Angie

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> Has anyone else had this problem?? Any ideas what I can do??

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Hi Lori

Thanks for your email. My vendor is certified by Invacare but has no idea

what to do. What kind of simple adjustment do you mean?

Thanks

Re: stiff joystick

If your vendor is a certified Invacare vendor should be able to do a

simple adjustment.

Lori

> Hi everyone

> I just got an invacare Arrow wheelchair. However, the joystick is

so stiff

> that I cant use it :(

> Has anyone else had this problem?? Any ideas what I can do??

> Thanks

>

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Hi ,

Of course I am no expert in this area. I will call my vendor in the

morning and let you know what they say (when I get home from work).

My guy is great.

Lori

> > Hi everyone

> > I just got an invacare Arrow wheelchair. However, the joystick

is

> so stiff

> > that I cant use it :(

> > Has anyone else had this problem?? Any ideas what I can do??

> > Thanks

> >

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, Yes, the boot is the rubber cover that covers the joystick. If it is

way too old it tends to dry up and become extremely stiff. The cost, in

Canada, is $12.00 for a new boot and it is very soft, but if it doesn't help

then you may need to have a technician come out and adjust the internal

spring of the joystick. Some of my friends had it removed and with the

standard boot cover it held it in place and was a lot easier to push/pull.

The only other idea I have besides changing the boot or do some mechanical

adjustments is to put a taller joystick knob on. You may need to lower the

control box to accomodate for the joystick's extra height, but you'll have to

make that call yourself as it depends upon your reach and strength.

Good luck.

Angie

On 2005.03.27 23:16, Taleporos wrote:

> Thanks Angie. Are you referring to the rubber that covers the joystiick?

> Can you get softer ones? Can you get any more details from your friend?

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But I also thought there was like a sensitivity setting in the " computer "

part of the chair, where like u could control speed and things like that.

Kimi

In a message dated 3/28/2005 2:28:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,

alrt@... writes:

yes. my mechanic just snipped the spring inside the joystick so it's a

little shorter. it definitely loosened the throw, though, some of the

finer adjustablility is now decreased. going in and actually cutting parts

is the last step i would do on a new chair.

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Oh ok, then disregard my last post if that is not what the problem is.

Kimi

In a message dated 3/28/2005 2:36:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, angie@...

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Hey Kimi, Lori may have been referring to the programming side aka

sensitivity

settings, but if is having a hard time pushing the actual joystick

then the sensitivity setting won't solve it. It is like telling the motors to

activate at a certain speed or respond to slow or sudden hand movements, but

if the joystick can't be budged a smidgen / tad / a wee bit then the chair

doesn't respond regardless of its sensitivity.

If is pushing the joystick and the chair isn't moving as he is

expecting it to then yes he should have his chairs settings looked at.

So what is it ? Are you unable to move the joystick or is the chair not

moving in the way you're expecting it to when you push the joystick?

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Hey Kimi, Lori may have been referring to the programming side aka sensitivity

settings, but if is having a hard time pushing the actual joystick

then the sensitivity setting won't solve it. It is like telling the motors to

activate at a certain speed or respond to slow or sudden hand movements, but

if the joystick can't be budged a smidgen / tad / a wee bit then the chair

doesn't respond regardless of its sensitivity.

If is pushing the joystick and the chair isn't moving as he is

expecting it to then yes he should have his chairs settings looked at.

So what is it ? Are you unable to move the joystick or is the chair not

moving in the way you're expecting it to when you push the joystick?

On 2005.03.28 12:00, Ksmile96@... wrote:

> I'm not sure if this is what Lori was talking about, but isn't there a way

> to control the sensitivity of the joystick to make it easier to use?? Kimi

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yes. my mechanic just snipped the spring inside the joystick so it's a

little shorter. it definitely loosened the throw, though, some of the

finer adjustablility is now decreased. going in and actually cutting parts

is the last step i would do on a new chair.

At 09:00 AM 3/28/2005, you wrote:

>I'm not sure if this is what Lori was talking about, but isn't there a way to

>control the sensitivity of the joystick to make it easier to use??

>Kimi

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i have the ability to adjust it electronically, too, but the resistance i

was experiencing was mechanical. i didn't want the controls to be touchier

than they already are.

i have an E & J P300 with a Dufco joystick conversion - old school.

At 01:56 PM 3/28/2005, you wrote:

>But I also thought there was like a sensitivity setting in the " computer "

>part of the chair, where like u could control speed and things like that.

>Kimi

>

>

>

>

>

>In a message dated 3/28/2005 2:28:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,

>alrt@... writes:

>yes. my mechanic just snipped the spring inside the joystick so it's a

>little shorter. it definitely loosened the throw, though, some of the

>finer adjustablility is now decreased. going in and actually cutting parts

>is the last step i would do on a new chair.

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I spoke with my w/chair guy. He said that there wasn't an internal

adjustment that could be made but had some other suggestions. First,

sliding the joystick back enough so that gravity can help when you

rest your hand on it. Another idea is to add an extension to the

joystick like a t-bar for instance as many quads use. I used to

have a long (~6 " ) handle to help me steer better. A last resort and

one the vendor would probable try to resist is to switch it out for

another type of control (examples are touch pad-that's what I have,

chin control, head control).

I found these sites to give you some ideas:

http://www.edmond-wheelchair.com/joystick_extensions.htm

http://www.therafin.com/joystex.htm

I hope this helps. Please let us know how things go.

Lori

> > > Hi everyone

> > > I just got an invacare Arrow wheelchair. However, the

joystick

> is

> > so stiff

> > > that I cant use it :(

> > > Has anyone else had this problem?? Any ideas what I can do??

> > > Thanks

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Thanks Angie, id luv to loosen the springs but Ive been told by my provider

that the electronics are too complicated.

Re: stiff joystick

, Yes, the boot is the rubber cover that covers the joystick. If it is

way too old it tends to dry up and become extremely stiff. The cost, in

Canada, is $12.00 for a new boot and it is very soft, but if it doesn't help

then you may need to have a technician come out and adjust the internal

spring of the joystick. Some of my friends had it removed and with the

standard boot cover it held it in place and was a lot easier to push/pull.

The only other idea I have besides changing the boot or do some mechanical

adjustments is to put a taller joystick knob on. You may need to lower the

control box to accomodate for the joystick's extra height, but you'll have

to

make that call yourself as it depends upon your reach and strength.

Good luck.

Angie

On 2005.03.27 23:16, Taleporos wrote:

> Thanks Angie. Are you referring to the rubber that covers the joystiick?

> Can you get softer ones? Can you get any more details from your friend?

>

>

>

>

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I cant push it. Increasing the sensitivity makes it way too jumpy.

Can you buy softer joysticks? The one that I have on my current chair is

much softer because i had the springs adjusted, but they wouldnt touch my

new joysttick because of liability issues.

Re: stiff joystick

Hey Kimi, Lori may have been referring to the programming side aka

sensitivity

settings, but if is having a hard time pushing the actual joystick

then the sensitivity setting won't solve it. It is like telling the motors

to

activate at a certain speed or respond to slow or sudden hand movements, but

if the joystick can't be budged a smidgen / tad / a wee bit then the chair

doesn't respond regardless of its sensitivity.

If is pushing the joystick and the chair isn't moving as he is

expecting it to then yes he should have his chairs settings looked at.

So what is it ? Are you unable to move the joystick or is the chair

not

moving in the way you're expecting it to when you push the joystick?

On 2005.03.28 12:00, Ksmile96@... wrote:

> I'm not sure if this is what Lori was talking about, but isn't there a way

> to control the sensitivity of the joystick to make it easier to use?? Kimi

A FEW RULES

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If that was me, I'd be telling them do it or else I will find someplace else

the next time I need to buy something (of course if you have the good fortune

of doing so).

If it's too complicated for them then they're idiots or in the wrong business.

Angie.

On 2005.03.29 05:30, Taleporos wrote:

> Thanks Angie, id luv to loosen the springs but Ive been told by my provider

> that the electronics are too complicated.

>

> Re: stiff joystick

>

>

>

> , Yes, the boot is the rubber cover that covers the joystick. If it

> is way too old it tends to dry up and become extremely stiff. The cost, in

> Canada, is $12.00 for a new boot and it is very soft, but if it doesn't

> help then you may need to have a technician come out and adjust the

> internal spring of the joystick. Some of my friends had it removed and with

> the standard boot cover it held it in place and was a lot easier to

> push/pull. The only other idea I have besides changing the boot or do some

> mechanical adjustments is to put a taller joystick knob on. You may need to

> lower the control box to accomodate for the joystick's extra height, but

> you'll have to

> make that call yourself as it depends upon your reach and strength.

> Good luck.

> Angie

>

> On 2005.03.27 23:16, Taleporos wrote:

> > Thanks Angie. Are you referring to the rubber that covers the joystiick?

> > Can you get softer ones? Can you get any more details from your friend?

> >

> >

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Thanks Lori, its very sweet of you to find those sites for me :)

Re: stiff joystick

I spoke with my w/chair guy. He said that there wasn't an internal

adjustment that could be made but had some other suggestions. First,

sliding the joystick back enough so that gravity can help when you

rest your hand on it. Another idea is to add an extension to the

joystick like a t-bar for instance as many quads use. I used to

have a long (~6 " ) handle to help me steer better. A last resort and

one the vendor would probable try to resist is to switch it out for

another type of control (examples are touch pad-that's what I have,

chin control, head control).

I found these sites to give you some ideas:

http://www.edmond-wheelchair.com/joystick_extensions.htm

http://www.therafin.com/joystex.htm

I hope this helps. Please let us know how things go.

Lori

> > > Hi everyone

> > > I just got an invacare Arrow wheelchair. However, the

joystick

> is

> > so stiff

> > > that I cant use it :(

> > > Has anyone else had this problem?? Any ideas what I can do??

> > > Thanks

> > >

> >

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> >

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Hi Angie, I emailed Invacare and they refered me back to my local provider

Re: stiff joystick

, to play it even safer, call Invacare directly and ask them what your

options are. I got lots of help from their Canadian division, tech support.

Angie

On 2005.03.29 05:30, Taleporos wrote:

> Thanks Angie, id luv to loosen the springs but Ive been told by my

provider

> that the electronics are too complicated.

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, to play it even safer, call Invacare directly and ask them what your

options are. I got lots of help from their Canadian division, tech support.

Angie

On 2005.03.29 05:30, Taleporos wrote:

> Thanks Angie, id luv to loosen the springs but Ive been told by my provider

> that the electronics are too complicated.

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Hi ,

Thank for asking about this. I just got a new invacare chair too and an

having the same problem with the stiff joystick. One thing that helped some

is to reconfigure the ³throw² so that you don¹t have to push it as far to

get a response, but this is not my ideal solution.

On 3/29/05 6:18 PM, " Taleporos " <gtdeakin@...> wrote:

> Thanks Lori, its very sweet of you to find those sites for me :)

>

>

> Re: stiff joystick

>

>

>

>

> I spoke with my w/chair guy. He said that there wasn't an internal

> adjustment that could be made but had some other suggestions. First,

> sliding the joystick back enough so that gravity can help when you

> rest your hand on it. Another idea is to add an extension to the

> joystick like a t-bar for instance as many quads use. I used to

> have a long (~6 " ) handle to help me steer better. A last resort and

> one the vendor would probable try to resist is to switch it out for

> another type of control (examples are touch pad-that's what I have,

> chin control, head control).

>

> I found these sites to give you some ideas:

>

> http://www.edmond-wheelchair.com/joystick_extensions.htm

>

> http://www.therafin.com/joystex.htm

>

> I hope this helps. Please let us know how things go.

>

> Lori

>

>

>>>> > > > Hi everyone

>>>> > > > I just got an invacare Arrow wheelchair. However, the

> joystick

>> > is

>>> > > so stiff

>>>> > > > that I cant use it :(

>>>> > > > Has anyone else had this problem?? Any ideas what I can do??

>>>> > > > Thanks

>>>> > > >

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I just had the same problem with a new Invacare. The company should

catch on to the trend!

I kept trying different size tops on the joystick. The T is ok, but

the best for me is a larger size ball. Also, adjusting the THROW,

not the SPEED, helped.

Using gravity with your hand on it is a bad idea. Too easy to lose

control. (Had a few accidents )

And threatening to use a different company doesn't help - they don't

care.

Just be the " squeaky wheel " until you get what you need.

CJ

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CJ, I see THROW and SENSITIVITY as the same thing, are they not?

I am gonna call my Invacare tech support fella and see what he says.

I'll keep ya posted.

Angie

On 2005.03.30 18:59, cenlared wrote:

> I just had the same problem with a new Invacare. The company should

> catch on to the trend!

> I kept trying different size tops on the joystick. The T is ok, but

> the best for me is a larger size ball. Also, adjusting the THROW,

> not the SPEED, helped.

> Using gravity with your hand on it is a bad idea. Too easy to lose

> control. (Had a few accidents )

> And threatening to use a different company doesn't help - they don't

> care.

> Just be the " squeaky wheel " until you get what you need.

> CJ

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My friend works in the medical supply industry. He recommends two things. If

you can move the joystick just a little bit, the electronics can be reprogrammed

to adjust to the minimal movement to give you full range with the wheelchair.

If that doesn't work, your supplier should be able to offer you a number of

after market joysticks that would work with the Arrow.

stiff joystick

Hi everyone

I just got an invacare Arrow wheelchair. However, the joystick is so stiff

that I cant use it :(

Has anyone else had this problem?? Any ideas what I can do??

Thanks

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Thanks

any ideas where i find these after market joysticks?

Re: stiff joystick

My friend works in the medical supply industry. He recommends two things.

If you can move the joystick just a little bit, the electronics can be

reprogrammed to adjust to the minimal movement to give you full range with

the wheelchair. If that doesn't work, your supplier should be able to offer

you a number of after market joysticks that would work with the Arrow.

stiff joystick

Hi everyone

I just got an invacare Arrow wheelchair. However, the joystick is so

stiff

that I cant use it :(

Has anyone else had this problem?? Any ideas what I can do??

Thanks

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