Re: I wouldn't call ADD a milder form of autism.

[Guest guest]

For the group - there is a book called the Autism-ADHD Connection that is

available in the bookstore - it must be at least 4 years old now and does not

even mention the mercury connection at all.

Dr. Joan Fallon had applied for patent for finding the biomarker between

autism and adhd - I know know if she got it but I did talk to her about 3 years

back and at that time she felt strongly in the overuse of antibiotics that might

be contributing to the rise. I do not agree with her but I applaud her

researching because you never know how something will later on be connected.

Dr. Megson in the literature she gives out to her patients (and we are one of

her patients) shows that they are connected on the spectrum.

My son is autistic but can talk - he is too severe to be thought of as ADHD.

Kathy Hybl

[Guest guest]

Okay, I have stayed out of this because I didn't want to start a "flamefest" but I must point out that the DSM-IV does not say ADHD is a form of autism and this is the standard for diagnosis.

In addition, there are lots of 40 and 50 year old people diagnosed with ADHD, so the link to increased ADHD diagnosis and mercury in vaccines is much more tenuous that the increase in mercury load in the 90's and the epidemic of new autism cases.

Finally, the research being done now on ADHD is focusing on a genetic component as ADHD runs in families. I am not expert in autism but I do not believe autism runs in families. The focus of one study now is on identical twins only one of which has ADHD.

Do you have some overlap of symptoms? Yes but those very comorbidities may not be what you think. For example, the processing problems with some ADHD kids is more likely due to CAPD, then autism. Again, just my experience. CAPD is often comorbid with ADHD, as is ODD.

Kathy C

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/8/2005 2:04:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, redhead60707@... writes:

---I know plenty of kids and adults who have symptoms of add/adhd w/o

defiant features.

Comorbid means that the disorders frequently occur together not that every adhd person also has ODD. That explains why you know plenty of people who are ADHD w/o being ODD. Also, ODD doesn't usually occur in adults- but that time it gets to that point it is considered a conduct disorder and is a much more serious issue.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

It's all a spectrum, or if you don't prefer that analogy, then think

of these disorders as shotgun blasts against a blank wall...

whatever. I consider ADD to be on the spectrum, part of the blast,

etc. They talk, but so do kids with Aspergers. ADD kids can have

language skills that are normal, but they can also have significant

difficulty with language processing and so when you talk with them,

they " don't make sense " . It's a range for ADD and ADHD of course,

the same as how you can have kids with autism that are talkers, and

some that are nonverbal. I don't know if anyone is watching Brat

Pack on abc, but last week the one boy with ADHD, you could really

see the overlap with some autistic traits in how he has difficulty

answering simple questions when he is on sensory overload, and how he

doesn't really " read " people very well. I definitely

consider " autism " mercury poisoning to be the most severe form, but I

definitely consider ADD to be a product of hg and metal tox, too. A

milder form, a different form...

W

> I wouldn't call ADD " a milder form of autism " . Those with ADD can

talk. msherrett.

[Guest guest]

-well my son, I was gearing up for a future AD/ADHD diagnosis saw it in

the wind, then he got his booster shots, BAM he was losing speech,

stopped answering to his name, spinning, fixating, walking impaired, so

it is in my opinion a milder spectrum disorder, but whose to say

crossing over can not happen it happened in this house,, and I have

about 7 e friends same exact thing happened to them at the age of 4-5

so it does happen. -- In EOHarm , virri345@a... wrote:

> Those with ADD can talk. msherrett.

[Guest guest]

MSHerrett and Interested Readers,

Since all these " neurodevelopmental disorders "

that have " no proven cause " are probably different

symptom-set manifestations caused by or triggered

by the mercury poisoning the " diagnosed " person

received from the Thimerosal (49.55% mercury)

in the Thimerosal-containing vaccines they

received.

Thus, though all are " forms of mercury poisoning, "

it is NOT appropriate to characterize one as some

form of another.

Properly each should be treated in the manner

appropriate for the " form of mercury poisoning "

that these " causeless " neurodevelopmental disorders

most probably are.

Respectfully,

Dr. King

http://www.dr-king.com

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At 12:06 8/8/05 -0400, virri345@... wrote:

>Those with ADD can talk. msherrett.

>

>

[Guest guest]

---Yes, but so can many autistics. Remember, we are talking spectrum

of injury, neurologically. My daughter is very inpaired,

non-verbal..it would be interesting to see what types/manuf., age,

year of vaccines, antibiotic use at time of exposure, Rhogam, timing

of MMR..etc among a group of autistics/add to see what comes up. This

would be similar to the hair/mercury study but with more factors to

look at...and that study showed that the more severely impaired showed

less/excreted less mercury than those who were higher functioning,

excreted more.

In EOHarm , virri345@a... wrote:

> Those with ADD can talk. msherrett.

[Guest guest]

Kathy Hybl,

Since dosing with many antibiotics has

been shown to " interfere " with the

body's ability to " excrete " mercury and

other heavy metals, Dr. Fallon, tough

missing the mercury connection, was right

when " she felt strongly in the overuse of

antibiotics that might be contributing to

the rise " in a " book called the Autism-ADHD

Connection. "

Thus, Dr. Fallon is partially correct --

antibiotic use is a " contributing " factor

-- one that may, in many cases, temporarily

effectively shutdown given person's ability

to " excrete " mercury and other heavy metals.

Thus, unless the antibiotic being used has

been proven NOT to interfere with a body's

ability to " excrete " heavy metals, no

Thimerosal-containing vaccine should be

administered to a patient taking an

antibiotic.

In general, vaccines should be administered,

as intended, to " HEALTHY " people and NOT to

ones that are currently in the process of

fighting off some transitory disease.

Hopefully, this information, OFFERED ONLY

for general information and NOT for MEDICAL

ADVICE, will help the readers understand

the " contributory factor " truth contained

in Dr. Fallon's view.

Respectfully,

Dr. King

http://www.dr-king.com

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At 13:08 8/8/05 EDT, you wrote:

>For the group - there is a book called the

>Autism-ADHD Connection that is available

>in the bookstore - it must be at least 4

>years old now and does not even mention

>the mercury connection at all.

>

>Dr. Joan Fallon had applied for patent for

>finding the biomarker between autism and

>adhd - I know know if she got it but I did

>talk to her about 3 years back and at that

>time she felt strongly in the overuse of

>antibiotics that might be contributing to

>the rise. I do not agree with her but I

>applaud her researching because you never

>know how something will later on be

>connected.

>

>Dr. Megson in the literature she gives out

> to her patients (and we are one of her

>patients) shows that they are connected on

>the spectrum.

>

>My son is autistic but can talk - he is too

>severe to be thought of as ADHD.

>

>

>Kathy Hybl

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

---I know plenty of kids and adults who have symptoms of add/adhd w/o

defiant features. The DSM is a list of symptoms..not cause..and

remember that autism also has a genetic component..one being the

inability to excrete heavy metals properly. I also know twins where

one is autistic and the other is not. If you looked at their medical

charts, there probably would be differences in antibiotic use, timing

of vaccines (one twin missed a vaccine due to illness so his mercury

burden was spread out), testosterone vs estrogen, etc. True add/adhd

is neurological and not psychological...which is what the DSM is all

about...Are kids have medical issues that the DSM does not really

address...which is why most treating docs do not use an autism

diagnosis but instead medical codes...Also, IMHO adult ADD/ADHD can be

psych/emotional/addiction issues or neuro..depends, but the big push

for diagnosing this has been MEDS..and the pharm companies are the

pushers..

http://www.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/07/18/adult.add/

In EOHarm , billsreef@a... wrote:

> Okay, I have stayed out of this because I didn't want to start a

" flamefest "

> but I must point out that the DSM-IV does not say ADHD is a form of

autism and

> this is the standard for diagnosis.

>

> In addition, there are lots of 40 and 50 year old people diagnosed

with ADHD,

> so the link to increased ADHD diagnosis and mercury in vaccines is

much more

> tenuous that the increase in mercury load in the 90's and the

epidemic of new

> autism cases.

>

> Finally, the research being done now on ADHD is focusing on a genetic

> component as ADHD runs in families. I am not expert in autism but I

do not believe

> autism runs in families. The focus of one study now is on identical

twins only

> one of which has ADHD.

>

> Do you have some overlap of symptoms? Yes but those very

comorbidities may

> not be what you think. For example, the processing problems with

some ADHD kids

> is more likely due to CAPD, then autism. Again, just my experience.

CAPD is

> often comorbid with ADHD, as is ODD.

>

>

> Kathy C