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In a message dated 4/3/2003 3:18:35 PM Central Standard Time,

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> Did ya'll

> forget about 9/11? Bin Laden wasn't the only bonehead involved in that

No we haven't. But the Bin Laden and Hussein thing are mutually exclusive

according to the Pentagon.

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In a message dated 4/3/2003 1:17:53 PM Pacific Standard Time,

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> Hello. I'm starting to think this country has a short memory. Did ya'll

> forget about 9/11? Bin Laden wasn't the only bonehead involved in that. I

> hope our people don't actually believe this is for oil and money. We've

> stayed out of those other countries because they haven't attacked us

> (innocent civilians). But Iraq has.

Okay, I was going to keep my thoughts to myself because, well, I get called

" unpatriotic " but I'm going to share anyway. First of all, even though I'm

from the Middle East (my parents are from Palestine and Jordan), I was born

in this country and consider it my home. So, I kinda think I have a unique

perspective because I straddle both sides of the fence (or world) so to

speak. I make an effort to watch both CNN and Al-Jazeera to get the well

rounded view as to what's happening. Yes, there is propaganda on Arabic TV

but let's not forget that it exists here in the States too. I believe Bush

claiming that this war is about the Iraqi people is propaganda. It's to gain

everyone's support. If he stated his real reasons (least not we forget that

Bush and Chaney have made millions off oil), how many would support this war?

I doubt very many. Yes, I dislike Sadaam just as much as the next person, and

contrary to popular believe, so does my family in the Middle East. He needs

to be dealt with but is this the best way? I haven't forgotten about Sept 11

but I also haven't forgotten why we were attacked. We were seen as the big

bad bully who was in everyone's business. Just look at how many countries

we're in right now or are planning to meddling with. " Fixing " the

Israeli/Palestinian conflict is next on our list. And we wonder where all

this anti-American settiment comes from? Waging a war and killing innocent

people (the same ones we supposedly are trying to help) is just drawing an

even bigger target on our backs. The U.N. was trying to come up with ways to

deal with Sadaam but no, we had to go and do it our way. It just seems so

hypocritical to me. Here's a quote from Bush himself... " We expect nations to

oppose all terrorists, not just some of them. No political cause can justify

the deliberate murder of civilians. " I don't see how what we're doing is any

different. It just seems like our foreign policy has turned into " Do as we

say, not as we do. "

And Jeni, no one ever said that we didn't support the troops. We understand

they're innocent pawns in all this. Wanting them to come home now so not one

more gets hurt is as patriotic as it gets. And I have watched the news.

Wasn't Sadaam complying with our orders by disarming before we decided to

attack? Yeah, he was.

~Deena~

" We live in the time where we have fictitious election results that elect a

fictitious president. We live in a time where we have a man who's sending us

to war for fictitious reasons, whether it's the fiction of duct tape or the

fiction of orange alerts. We are against this war, Mr. Bush. Shame on you,

Mr. Bush! And any time you've got the pope and the Dixie Chicks against you,

your time is up. " -Micheal .

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Stacey -

I totally and 100% agree with you. This Saddam thing has been going

on forever & I truely believe we are only getting involved with the

whole thing because of money & oil, and the fact that Bush Jr is

pissed because of a past assasination plot of Hussein's against his

father. There are so many countries run by evil dictators, but we

don't involve ourselves with their rights because they don't have oil

or other lucrative resources. I feel bad for our troops, fighting

because of some personal vindeta Bush has against Hussein & to fill

our coffers with oil. The only thing I can do is speak up against it,

and pray for the people of Iraq, the soldiers (yes, on both sides),

and the leaders, that they state making right decisions.

Jenn

> OKay, here is my opinion of the war and I'm sure it

> will tick some people off but here goes. I don't

> understand that with ALL the money being spent and ALL

> the intelligence we claim we have and ALL of our

> problems are with Saddam Hussein & family and NOT the

> Iraqi people, why is it with ALL of this we couldn't

> just pinpoint and snipe Saddam out of the way? It did

> not have to come to this point. 1 evil man's life is

> not worth thousands of innocent ones. These people

> have done nothing wrong other than be born in the

> wrong place at the wrong time and under the leadership

> of a crazed man. We have family in Pakistan and I'm

> scared everyday knowing the fear my sister in law

> feels when she puts her 4 innocent children to bed

> telling them it's ok and knowing it's not. And she

> considers them blessed, they haven't had to go through

> the hunger or the direct fighting. I do feel something

> needed to be done but I think our reasons were not

> true. This is more of a war about money and oil, the

> problems with the Iraqi people are nothing

> new...neither are the secrets, lies, or treachory of

> Saddam. Why now? Where have we been all along? Why are

> we so concerned now? Because of the allmighty $$.

> Don't you think the timing is coincidental though?

> We're tapping our oil reserves....they have

> oil....hmmmmm...ol W. feels he needs to finish

> what ol dad started? we have the excuse " oh the Iraqi

> people are suffering...WE'LL save them " smells fishy

> to me. I still think if someone offerred someone the

> right price Saddam could have been " handled " somewhere

> along the way. 1 life for all of the lives lost in

> this war as well as past wars there as well as the

> life he himself has shed of his own people?

> Anyway....I guess those are my views. I don't support

> the war, I do however support our troops as they are

> just pawns on some fat men's chessboards. I pray for

> them and for their families.

> Well hope I didn't tick anyone off...those are just my

> humble opinions

> Stacey

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Hello. I'm starting to think this country has a short memory. Did ya'll

forget about 9/11? Bin Laden wasn't the only bonehead involved in that. I

hope our people don't actually believe this is for oil and money. We've

stayed out of those other countries because they haven't attacked us

(innocent civilians). But Iraq has.

Re: PEACE and HUMANITARIAN PLEDGE--OT

Stacey -

I totally and 100% agree with you. This Saddam thing has been going

on forever & I truely believe we are only getting involved with the

whole thing because of money & oil, and the fact that Bush Jr is

pissed because of a past assasination plot of Hussein's against his

father. There are so many countries run by evil dictators, but we

don't involve ourselves with their rights because they don't have oil

or other lucrative resources. I feel bad for our troops, fighting

because of some personal vindeta Bush has against Hussein & to fill

our coffers with oil. The only thing I can do is speak up against it,

and pray for the people of Iraq, the soldiers (yes, on both sides),

and the leaders, that they state making right decisions.

Jenn

> OKay, here is my opinion of the war and I'm sure it

> will tick some people off but here goes. I don't

> understand that with ALL the money being spent and ALL

> the intelligence we claim we have and ALL of our

> problems are with Saddam Hussein & family and NOT the

> Iraqi people, why is it with ALL of this we couldn't

> just pinpoint and snipe Saddam out of the way? It did

> not have to come to this point. 1 evil man's life is

> not worth thousands of innocent ones. These people

> have done nothing wrong other than be born in the

> wrong place at the wrong time and under the leadership

> of a crazed man. We have family in Pakistan and I'm

> scared everyday knowing the fear my sister in law

> feels when she puts her 4 innocent children to bed

> telling them it's ok and knowing it's not. And she

> considers them blessed, they haven't had to go through

> the hunger or the direct fighting. I do feel something

> needed to be done but I think our reasons were not

> true. This is more of a war about money and oil, the

> problems with the Iraqi people are nothing

> new...neither are the secrets, lies, or treachory of

> Saddam. Why now? Where have we been all along? Why are

> we so concerned now? Because of the allmighty $$.

> Don't you think the timing is coincidental though?

> We're tapping our oil reserves....they have

> oil....hmmmmm...ol W. feels he needs to finish

> what ol dad started? we have the excuse " oh the Iraqi

> people are suffering...WE'LL save them " smells fishy

> to me. I still think if someone offerred someone the

> right price Saddam could have been " handled " somewhere

> along the way. 1 life for all of the lives lost in

> this war as well as past wars there as well as the

> life he himself has shed of his own people?

> Anyway....I guess those are my views. I don't support

> the war, I do however support our troops as they are

> just pawns on some fat men's chessboards. I pray for

> them and for their families.

> Well hope I didn't tick anyone off...those are just my

> humble opinions

> Stacey

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I have no doubt about the US governments lust for oil, and my own country

desperately trying being the 51st state, however, there is a humanitarian

issue there - it just takes greed to make people bother to do something

about it. When 911 happened, its been well documented that the powers that

be (Chaney) suggested to Bush that they attack Iraq immediately after the

incident, using the tradegy as a smoke screen to launch a $ driven war for

oil - America is after all a country with a massive energy crisis.

Having said all that, there is a serious problem with Hussein. Despite

rules set to the contrary Saddan has continued his weapon research program

(the Al Samude missile is a classic example of this) developing things to

the limit of the rules and in some cases pushing them further. He has

demonstrated his willingness to use Chemical Weapons and Im sure given the

chance he will develop and use a Nuclear threat. These are not the actions

of someone openly obeying sanctions placed on him by the UN as a result of

his previous failed act of war - remember he did aggressively invade Kuwait

in his own little oil war.

As for " pinpoint and snipe " , dont you thing the US has been trying to do

this since 81? This is a man who has at least 3 body doubles and is never

seen in public. Trying to assassinate a ghost is a little difficult,

although you can bet they've tried. Military Intelligence aint exactly the

fastest or brightest thing on this earth.

Sadman will never be found at the end of this war - nor will his corpse. He

will have slipped away quietly in disguise weeks before the first bomb

landed. At the end of the day, when you are the dictator of your own

country, with a personal wealth of $7 billion, how difficult do you think it

is to falsify a passport, history and papers and flee to another Arab

nation?

As for speaking up, Im afraid its all too late. This action will be all

over before a public voice is listened to. After all America can't afford

another Vietnam.

Lets just hope they can get it over with, with the minimum of casualties.

Kev

> Re: PEACE and HUMANITARIAN PLEDGE--OT

>

>

> Stacey -

>

> I totally and 100% agree with you. This Saddam thing has been going

> on forever & I truely believe we are only getting involved with the

> whole thing because of money & oil, and the fact that Bush Jr is

> pissed because of a past assasination plot of Hussein's against his

> father. There are so many countries run by evil dictators, but we

> don't involve ourselves with their rights because they don't have oil

> or other lucrative resources. I feel bad for our troops, fighting

> because of some personal vindeta Bush has against Hussein & to fill

> our coffers with oil. The only thing I can do is speak up against it,

> and pray for the people of Iraq, the soldiers (yes, on both sides),

> and the leaders, that they state making right decisions.

>

> Jenn

>

>

> > OKay, here is my opinion of the war and I'm sure it

> > will tick some people off but here goes. I don't

> > understand that with ALL the money being spent and ALL

> > the intelligence we claim we have and ALL of our

> > problems are with Saddam Hussein & family and NOT the

> > Iraqi people, why is it with ALL of this we couldn't

> > just pinpoint and snipe Saddam out of the way? It did

> > not have to come to this point. 1 evil man's life is

> > not worth thousands of innocent ones. These people

> > have done nothing wrong other than be born in the

> > wrong place at the wrong time and under the leadership

> > of a crazed man. We have family in Pakistan and I'm

> > scared everyday knowing the fear my sister in law

> > feels when she puts her 4 innocent children to bed

> > telling them it's ok and knowing it's not. And she

> > considers them blessed, they haven't had to go through

> > the hunger or the direct fighting. I do feel something

> > needed to be done but I think our reasons were not

> > true. This is more of a war about money and oil, the

> > problems with the Iraqi people are nothing

> > new...neither are the secrets, lies, or treachory of

> > Saddam. Why now? Where have we been all along? Why are

> > we so concerned now? Because of the allmighty $$.

> > Don't you think the timing is coincidental though?

> > We're tapping our oil reserves....they have

> > oil....hmmmmm...ol W. feels he needs to finish

> > what ol dad started? we have the excuse " oh the Iraqi

> > people are suffering...WE'LL save them " smells fishy

> > to me. I still think if someone offerred someone the

> > right price Saddam could have been " handled " somewhere

> > along the way. 1 life for all of the lives lost in

> > this war as well as past wars there as well as the

> > life he himself has shed of his own people?

> > Anyway....I guess those are my views. I don't support

> > the war, I do however support our troops as they are

> > just pawns on some fat men's chessboards. I pray for

> > them and for their families.

> > Well hope I didn't tick anyone off...those are just my

> > humble opinions

> > Stacey

>

>

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When you talk about short memory, stretch it a little longer. We armed Iraq and

Saddam Hussien in the 80s. Also, this year our own CIA issued an official

report declaring that they could not link Saddam to Bin Laden or 9/11. There is

noevidence against Iraq according to our own intelligence.

They can link Saudi Arabi to both Bin Laden and 9/11, so I can only assume the

US is bombing Iraq instead of Saudi Arabi for reasons other than to prevent

terrorism. And if it's to save the people of Iraq from tyranny, than why aren't

we bombing 1/2 of Africa's bloody dictators?

And to bomb Iraq for not complying with U.N. resolutions while ignoring that

Isreal is also not complying with U.N. resolutions smacks of how self-serving

our international policy is.

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> Hello. I'm starting to think this country has a short memory. Did ya'll

forget about 9/11? Bin Laden wasn't the only bonehead involved in that. I hope

our people don't actually believe this is for oil and money. We've stayed out

of those other countries because they haven't attacked us (innocent civilians).

But Iraq has.

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> Oil or no oil, we would still be at war. I havent read of

> anyone mentioning Britain. Do they want oil too? " lol "

> Anyway, I just wanted to voice my opinion real quick. I

> hope everyone is staying well. God Bless!!

I am British and I have expressed my opinion. England want oil - England

also want to maintain ties with the most powerful country - as I said, we

are the 51st state.

Kev

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