offit

[Guest guest]

He seems so angry, its hard to understand him. He is stammering. Why

is he so angry?? Hee Hee.

[Guest guest]

on 6/23/05 5:28 PM, schaferatsprynet at schafer@... wrote:

> He seems so angry, its hard to understand him. He is stammering. Why

> is he so angry?? Hee Hee.

Hey, he's just a nice guy only trying to do his job. Please, get

off it.

are you serious? -

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

I know I may get flamed for this **zipping up asbestos suit** but...

I have spoken with Dr. Offit on this subject (as well as and my own pediatrician and a highly regarded geneticist at NIH and anyone else that lets me talk about it.)

My own conclusion is that these folks cannot even remotely consider a world where an entire generation of children could be poisoned by the very thing *they* have been promoting to save lives.

Most of Dr. Offit's career has been dedicated to developing a vaccine for rotavirus. Something that he appears to care deeply about -- I mean to improve the health of children (not to profit financially). I truly do not believe that his opposition to the possible mercury connection is financially motivated. He struck me as passionate and deeply concerned -- he reached out to me when I expressed my fears about thimerosal. I think it would devastate him to ever find irrefutable proof that he was "part of" the problem.

I am not very articulate and I apologize.

I am just trying to say that I don't think the AAP is evil either. I don't think they are part of the "conspiracy". For one thing, I don't believe you could contain a "conspiracy" if that many folks were in on it. Somebody somewhere would have to have a conscience sooner or later, right?? right? (please tell me I'm right.)

My own pediatrician speaks just as fervently about the safety of vaccines as Dr. Offit -- he could go on for hours and hours citing all of the studies -- does this mean that he is somehow corrupted by financial ties to the pharmaceutical industry?? NO... not any more than it would mean that any one of you are "in this for the liability pay-off."

I know we are all hurt and angry -- but, please, let's try not to paint everyone who cannot yet allow themselves to think such a horrific thing could happen -- as some monster who would put the financial interests of an industry above our children.

I, for one, have a hard time wrapping my brain around that concept.

P.S. I've told my friends that Kirby's book is a terrific read if you aren't connected to this issue. If you have a loved one with autism, it keeps you up at night.

~Dawn

Mom to a 6-year-old dx w/Asperger's and the neice of a 54-year-old man severely affected by autism

[Guest guest]

Dawn wrote:

//someone would have a conscience sooner or later, right?

Please tell me I'm right.//

You're right Dawn.

Start with the Evidence of Harm index. Look under "whistleblowers, 282-83, 343-44, 361, 367-68, and 395"

Those are just a few of the highly credentialed insiders,

with long histories of globally acclaimed work, with absolutely no vested interest in anything except saving our children from being poisoned.

There are also others...internal memos, etc for decades.

Then there are the 'invisible' whistleblowers like the local pharmacist who told me (when picking up our vaccines),"you'd better read the insert carefully. Children are being damaged by these vaccines. My son's a pediatrician and he won't give them anymore".

I wish I had listened to him. My daughter might have a had

a life worth living.

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Hi all,

I know I may get flamed for this **zipping up asbestos suit** but...

I have spoken with Dr. Offit on this subject (as well as and my own pediatrician and a highly regarded geneticist at NIH and anyone else that lets me talk about it.)

My own conclusion is that these folks cannot even remotely consider a world where an entire generation of children could be poisoned by the very thing *they* have been promoting to save lives.

Most of Dr. Offit's career has been dedicated to developing a vaccine for rotavirus. Something that he appears to care deeply about -- I mean to improve the health of children (not to profit financially). I truly do not believe that his opposition to the possible mercury connection is financially motivated. He struck me as passionate and deeply concerned -- he reached out to me when I expressed my fears about thimerosal. I think it would devastate him to ever find irrefutable proof that he was "part of" the problem.

I am not very articulate and I apologize.

I am just trying to say that I don't think the AAP is evil either. I don't think they are part of the "conspiracy". For one thing, I don't believe you could contain a "conspiracy" if that many folks were in on it. Somebody somewhere would have to have a conscience sooner or later, right?? right? (please tell me I'm right.)

My own pediatrician speaks just as fervently about the safety of vaccines as Dr. Offit -- he could go on for hours and hours citing all of the studies -- does this mean that he is somehow corrupted by financial ties to the pharmaceutical industry?? NO... not any more than it would mean that any one of you are "in this for the liability pay-off."

I know we are all hurt and angry -- but, please, let's try not to paint everyone who cannot yet allow themselves to think such a horrific thing could happen -- as some monster who would put the financial interests of an industry above our children.

I, for one, have a hard time wrapping my brain around that concept.

P.S. I've told my friends that Kirby's book is a terrific read if you aren't connected to this issue. If you have a loved one with autism, it keeps you up at night.

~Dawn

Mom to a 6-year-old dx w/Asperger's and the neice of a 54-year-old man severely affected by autism

[Guest guest]

Hi. This concept has been brought up before by Mark Blaxill and

DK..that they (Offit, AAP,CDC etc) believe in what they do..and that

vaccines are for the good..not bad. Which is why we fight to not be

ANTI-VACCINE, as this issue deals with thimerosal exposure.

The problem(s) lies in their *belief system*..1-I believe vaccines are

safe 2-studies show me that *belief*, therefore, I believe those

studies 3-studies that disprove *my belief* make me uncomfortable,

and I will fight them 4-the good of vaccines outweigh any bad 5-

keeping all people healthy requires herd immunity, therefore

vaccination rates need to be high -6 the vaccine program is " holy "

and is untouchable 7- people who interfere with that process need to

be dealt with and their research/studies/lectures/books/organizations

are ANTI-VACCINE and I will attack it/them with studies that prove *my

belief*. This is called denial...

Then there are those who truly see the evidence and are not in denial,

and they're the one scrambling to minimize/deny " the blunder " of

injecting thimerosal...they would be the " cover-up " group. Who/what

falls into each group...hard to tell sometimes.

We use facts to back up our *belief*...that thimerosal is a toxic

substance. The research continues to show this..and how our children

were/are injured by it. Either group..denial or " cover-up " , continues

to injure our kids...and society.

In EOHarm , " D Koplos " <dkoplos@e...> wrote:

> Hi all,

>

> I know I may get flamed for this **zipping up asbestos suit** but...

>

>

[Guest guest]

REgarding your comment about containing a conspiracy if somany people are in on it...

The conspiracy lies in the drug companies nad govt...they KNOW...the docs that argue that vaccines are safe are the products of the conspiracy as they really just believe what they are told and do not look at other fACTS...they read wha tthe drug companies give them and trust it as fact...without considering other options...of course not froma parent...i bet half of them don't even know abou tthe deaths from vaccines and would argue with those numbers too not just the autism connection...these guys are not very bright either...i think people in our public school and medical institutions are taught to think was is taught to them instead of taught to think ...

"The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education>' Einstein

Kathleen

Re: Offit

Hi all,

I know I may get flamed for this **zipping up asbestos suit** but...

I have spoken with Dr. Offit on this subject (as well as and my own pediatrician and a highly regarded geneticist at NIH and anyone else that lets me talk about it.)

My own conclusion is that these folks cannot even remotely consider a world where an entire generation of children could be poisoned by the very thing *they* have been promoting to save lives.

Most of Dr. Offit's career has been dedicated to developing a vaccine for rotavirus. Something that he appears to care deeply about -- I mean to improve the health of children (not to profit financially). I truly do not believe that his opposition to the possible mercury connection is financially motivated. He struck me as passionate and deeply concerned -- he reached out to me when I expressed my fears about thimerosal. I think it would devastate him to ever find irrefutable proof that he was "part of" the problem.

I am not very articulate and I apologize.

I am just trying to say that I don't think the AAP is evil either. I don't think they are part of the "conspiracy". For one thing, I don't believe you could contain a "conspiracy" if that many folks were in on it. Somebody somewhere would have to have a conscience sooner or later, right?? right? (please tell me I'm right.)

My own pediatrician speaks just as fervently about the safety of vaccines as Dr. Offit -- he could go on for hours and hours citing all of the studies -- does this mean that he is somehow corrupted by financial ties to the pharmaceutical industry?? NO... not any more than it would mean that any one of you are "in this for the liability pay-off."

I know we are all hurt and angry -- but, please, let's try not to paint everyone who cannot yet allow themselves to think such a horrific thing could happen -- as some monster who would put the financial interests of an industry above our children.

I, for one, have a hard time wrapping my brain around that concept.

P.S. I've told my friends that Kirby's book is a terrific read if you aren't connected to this issue. If you have a loved one with autism, it keeps you up at night.

~Dawn

Mom to a 6-year-old dx w/Asperger's and the neice of a 54-year-old man severely affected by autism

[Guest guest]

Dr. Offit, Chief, Section of Infectious Diseases and the Henle Professor of Immunologic and Infectious Diseases at The Children's Hospital of Philadelphia is a HOLDER OF A ROTAVIRUS VACCINE PATENT who was part of the team who mandated rotavirus vaccine - you remember that dangerous vaccine that was taken off the market AFTER it had damaged children, NOT before even though they had the information it was dangerous.Dr. Offit lists that he is a consultant to Merck on an attachment to his OGE 450, but does not disclose whether or not he received any remuneration for his services.Dr. Offit was a member of the CDC advisory committee and disclosed that he received $350,000 grant money from Merck to develop the rotavirus vaccine, in which he shares the patent, which was pulled 6 months after is was licensed because of severe problems. He gets paid to go around the country teaching doctors that vaccines are safe. (Wall Street Journal). Dr. Offit began his tenure on ACIP in October of 1998. Out of four votes pertaining to the ACIP's rotavirus statement he voted "yes" three times, including, voting for the inclusion of the rotavirus vaccine in the VFC program.Dr. Offit abstained from voting only once. Dr. Offit abstained from voting on the ACIP's rescission of the recommendation of the rotavirus vaccine for routine use. He stated at the meeting, "I'm not conflicted with Wyeth, but because I consult with Merck on the development of rotavirus vaccine, I would still prefer to abstain because it creates a perception of conflict." (Excerpted From the House of Representatives Gov't Reform Committee Staff Report) http://www.whale.to/v/staff.html

Application to the FDA December 9, 1994 Fred , Offit, Stanley Plotkin (Inventors); Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology and Children's Hospital of Pennsylvania (Assignees)Filed U.S. Patent for Rotavirus reassortant vaccine. Application number 353547

This does not make Mr. Offit a doctor ("first do no harm")...it makes him a businessman.

"Cowardice asks the question, 'Is it safe?'Expediency asks the question, 'Is it politic?'Vanity asks the question, 'Is it popular?'But, conscience asks the question, 'Is it right?'And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular,

but one must take it because one's conscience tells one that it is right."

-----Dr. Luther King, Jr.

The conspiracy lies in distribution...

-----Original Message-----From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ]On Behalf Of redhead60707Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 12:44 AMEOHarm Subject: Re: OffitHi. This concept has been brought up before by Mark Blaxill andDK..that they (Offit, AAP,CDC etc) believe in what they do..and thatvaccines are for the good..not bad. Which is why we fight to not beANTI-VACCINE, as this issue deals with thimerosal exposure.The problem(s) lies in their *belief system*..1-I believe vaccines aresafe 2-studies show me that *belief*, therefore, I believe thosestudies 3-studies that disprove *my belief* make me uncomfortable,and I will fight them 4-the good of vaccines outweigh any bad 5-keeping all people healthy requires herd immunity, thereforevaccination rates need to be high -6 the vaccine program is "holy"and is untouchable 7- people who interfere with that process need tobe dealt with and their research/studies/lectures/books/organizationsare ANTI-VACCINE and I will attack it/them with studies that prove *mybelief*. This is called denial...Then there are those who truly see the evidence and are not in denial,and they're the one scrambling to minimize/deny "the blunder" ofinjecting thimerosal...they would be the "cover-up" group. Who/whatfalls into each group...hard to tell sometimes.We use facts to back up our *belief*...that thimerosal is a toxicsubstance. The research continues to show this..and how our childrenwere/are injured by it. Either group..denial or "cover-up", continuesto injure our kids...and society. In EOHarm , "D Koplos" <dkoplos@e...> wrote:> Hi all,> > I know I may get flamed for this **zipping up asbestos suit** but...> >

[Guest guest]

>Most of Dr. Offit's career has been dedicated to developing a vaccine for rotavirus. Something that he appears to care deeply about -- I mean to improve the health of children (not to profit financially). I truly do not believe that his opposition to the possible mercury connection is financially motivated. He struck me as passionate and deeply concerned -- he reached out to me when I expressed my fears about thimerosal. I think it would devastate him to ever find irrefutable proof that he was "part of" the problem<

I think he has you fooled. He puts to much effort into countering us and the evidence that backs up our position to have totally benevolent motivations. Our opposition is very good at disinformation and interference. They are also backed by powerful lobbies, and the media.

C.

[Guest guest]

I have been posting much less lately, but couldn't pass this one by.

One question for y. Why does he refuse to debate anyone from our

side? I know he'll do responses, but he always refuses to debate

anyone who's highly informed on this issue, from our side.

Always!

> >Most of Dr. Offit's career has been dedicated to developing a

vaccine for rotavirus. Something that he appears to care deeply about

-- I mean to improve the health of children (not to profit

financially). I truly do not believe that his opposition to the

possible mercury connection is financially motivated. He struck me as

passionate and deeply concerned -- he reached out to me when I

expressed my fears about thimerosal. I think it would devastate him to

ever find irrefutable proof that he was " part of " the problem<

>

> I think he has you fooled. He puts to much effort into countering

us and the evidence that backs up our position to have totally

benevolent motivations. Our opposition is very good at disinformation

and interference. They are also backed by powerful lobbies, and the

media.

>

> C.

[Guest guest]

Here is a link from last year...I did not see the Burbacher

study...Offit needs to get a copy at the AAP Conference from GR.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/eletters/112/6/1394

In EOHarm , " McCarthy " <john-mccarthy@u...>

wrote:

> I have been posting much less lately, but couldn't pass this one

by.

>

> One question for y. Why does he refuse to debate anyone from

our

> side? I know he'll do responses, but he always refuses to debate

> anyone who's highly informed on this issue, from our side.

>

> Always!

>

>

>

> > >Most of Dr. Offit's career has been dedicated to developing a

> vaccine for rotavirus. Something that he appears to care deeply

about

> -- I mean to improve the health of children (not to profit

> financially). I truly do not believe that his opposition to the

> possible mercury connection is financially motivated. He struck

me as

> passionate and deeply concerned -- he reached out to me when I

> expressed my fears about thimerosal. I think it would devastate

him to

> ever find irrefutable proof that he was " part of " the problem<

> >

> > I think he has you fooled. He puts to much effort into

countering

> us and the evidence that backs up our position to have totally

> benevolent motivations. Our opposition is very good at

disinformation

> and interference. They are also backed by powerful lobbies, and

the

> media.

> >

> > C.

[Guest guest]

Offit can get both the Burbacher study and Weldon's 2004 Autism One

speech at the GR booth. http://www.generationrescue.org/pdf/weldon.pdf

KB

> > > >Most of Dr. Offit's career has been dedicated to developing a

> > vaccine for rotavirus. Something that he appears to care deeply

> about

> > -- I mean to improve the health of children (not to profit

> > financially). I truly do not believe that his opposition to the

> > possible mercury connection is financially motivated. He struck

> me as

> > passionate and deeply concerned -- he reached out to me when I

> > expressed my fears about thimerosal. I think it would devastate

> him to

> > ever find irrefutable proof that he was " part of " the problem<

> > >

> > > I think he has you fooled. He puts to much effort into

> countering

> > us and the evidence that backs up our position to have totally

> > benevolent motivations. Our opposition is very good at

> disinformation

> > and interference. They are also backed by powerful lobbies, and

> the

> > media.

> > >

> > > C.

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately, the Action Alert issued by the NY chapter of the AAP

regarding pending legislation to ban thimerosal was the final straw,

I believe, for many of us.

> Hi all,

>

> I know I may get flamed for this **zipping up asbestos suit**

but...

>

> I have spoken with Dr. Offit on this subject (as well as and my

own pediatrician and a highly regarded geneticist at NIH and anyone

else that lets me talk about it.)

>

> My own conclusion is that these folks cannot even remotely

consider a world where an entire generation of children could be

poisoned by the very thing *they* have been promoting to save lives.

>

> Most of Dr. Offit's career has been dedicated to developing a

vaccine for rotavirus. Something that he appears to care deeply

about -- I mean to improve the health of children (not to profit

financially). I truly do not believe that his opposition to the

possible mercury connection is financially motivated. He struck me

as passionate and deeply concerned -- he reached out to me when I

expressed my fears about thimerosal. I think it would devastate him

to ever find irrefutable proof that he was " part of " the problem.

>

> I am not very articulate and I apologize.

>

> I am just trying to say that I don't think the AAP is evil either.

I don't think they are part of the " conspiracy " . For one thing, I

don't believe you could contain a " conspiracy " if that many folks

were in on it. Somebody somewhere would have to have a conscience

sooner or later, right?? right? (please tell me I'm right.)

>

> My own pediatrician speaks just as fervently about the safety of

vaccines as Dr. Offit -- he could go on for hours and hours citing

all of the studies -- does this mean that he is somehow corrupted by

financial ties to the pharmaceutical industry?? NO... not any more

than it would mean that any one of you are " in this for the

liability pay-off. "

>

> I know we are all hurt and angry -- but, please, let's try not to

paint everyone who cannot yet allow themselves to think such a

horrific thing could happen -- as some monster who would put the

financial interests of an industry above our children.

>

> I, for one, have a hard time wrapping my brain around that concept.

>

> P.S. I've told my friends that Kirby's book is a terrific

read if you aren't connected to this issue. If you have a loved one

with autism, it keeps you up at night.

>

> ~Dawn

> Mom to a 6-year-old dx w/Asperger's and the neice of a 54-year-old

man severely affected by autism

[Guest guest]

Hi

Yes, I do have the cite for declining rates. I am running really late but I will post it when I return this afternoon.

I also have advisories from the CDC which state that Aventis Pasteur was having trouble converting from 10 dose vials (containing thimerasol) to single dose vials in 2001. That means that huge amounts (probably more than half) of the DTaP / HIB supply contained the full amonts of thimerasol in 2001.

2002 was the first real year of declining rates. That winter, they started a horrific push of one of the most evil campaigns of all time -- in spite of mounting piles of biolgical evidence against thimerasol == they started urging pregnant women to get flu shots.

Gotta run but if someone has not already done so, I will post the declining CA stats this PM.

Veraoplos <dkoplos@...> wrote:

I revisited the index and pages you mention and I fail to see how you can say "highly credentialed insiders with long histories of globally acclaimed work..." -- unless you have more information than is revealed in these pages.

Upon reflection, I am sickened to think there are at least FIVE individuals out there who supposedly have information that could save millions of children world-wide (it is my understanding that WHO continues to promote the use of thimerosal even today)... FIVE people who have "insider information" and refuse to come forward because -- WHY???With all due respect to those who have been "working" on this for years and Mr. Kirby -- to claim that there are whistle-blowers who do not want to be identified because of their careers???? -- smacks of sensationalism or creative license trying to beef up the suspense/credibility.

Perhaps I am too naieve, but, I find it nearly IMPOSSIBLE to believe that someone (more than ONE someone??) could sit on that kind of information and still get up, kiss their families good-bye and report for duty day after day...

IF THESE WHISTLEBLOWERS exist (and, again, my apologies for sounding so skeptical ... see paragraph above) -- let's invite them to our homes to play with our children -- take them to a contained special education class -- show them the numbers of how many children will be leaving the education system at the age of 21 with NOTHING to support them --

But, most important, DO NOT ALLOW THEM TO BELIEVE that because *most* of the thimerosal has been removed, they are off the hook to come forward...

Show them the numbers of children who continue to be vaccinated every day in other countries with our generous donation of mercury-laced products.

P.S. Can someone please direct me to the links that show the numbers (in California, and elsewhere?) of cases of autism declining?THANKS!~Dawn

Re: Offit

Dawn wrote:

//someone would have a conscience sooner or later, right?

Please tell me I'm right.//

You're right Dawn.

Start with the Evidence of Harm index. Look under "whistleblowers, 282-83, 343-44, 361, 367-68, and 395"

Those are just a few of the highly credentialed insiders,

with long histories of globally acclaimed work, with absolutely no vested interest in anything except saving our children from being poisoned.

There are also others...internal memos, etc for decades.

Then there are the 'invisible' whistleblowers like the local pharmacist who told me (when picking up our vaccines),"you'd better read the insert carefully. Children are being damaged by these vaccines. My son's a pediatrician and he won't give them anymore".

I wish I had listened to him. My daughter might have a had

a life worth living.

[Guest guest]

Dawn:

Have you not heard of the Simpsonwood meeting in Georgia? There, cerca 50 plus doctors, researchers, reps from pharmaceutical companies got together to discuss Verstraeten's data and results from a study which he did while in the employ of the CDC, regarding the neurological effects of thimerosal in vaccines. He initially found an association/correlation between the amount of thimerosal children received via vaccines and the neurological damage they sustained afterwards, ranging from attention problems, to speech and language, tic disorders, to finally autistic spectrum disorders. However, at that meeting, the folks in attendance decided to embargo this information from the public. The transcript of the meeting should be relatively easy to find on the Internet, if you google some of the keywords. This info was only released thanks to the Freedom of Information Act, after certain groups actively sought this information.

I don't know about any current potential "whistleblowers" who may be covering up, however, back then in 2000, there were at least 50 or more people who could have alerted the public to potential problems with thimerosal in vaccines but instead, chose to keep "mum" about it, fearing potential consequences for themselves and their vaccine programs/industries.

A year ago, when I informed my childrens' pediatrician about this meeting and what was discussed there, he too was incredulous and found it difficult to believe that if anyone found certain vaccine ingredients to be harmful, that they would hide this from the public. Well, the folks in attendance at the Simpsonwood meeting did do just that, apparently. I wonder how enough info about this meeting leaked out, so others became aware of what was discussed there and were able to obtain their transcript under the FOI Act. I think we have the people at SafeMinds to thank for making the Simpsonwood transcript more widely accessible. If I am wrong about this or missed anyone else or another group, please let me know.

In any case, there were over 50 people present at the Simpsonwood meeting, who could have aired their concerns about thimerosal in vaccines with the public, but it seems that none of them did that. Some years later, in 2003, a reworked version of Verstraeten's study was published in Journal Pediatrics and the data in this study had been massaged/"doctored" enough to make it look like thimerosal had no/or very little association with neurological problems. That kind of stuff/garbage is unacceptable, yet they expect the public to buy into that. I guess a lot of people did, because I did not see/read about many people questioning that study, sadly to say. Aasa D Koplos <dkoplos@...> wrote:

I revisited the index and pages you mention and I fail to see how you can say "highly credentialed insiders with long histories of globally acclaimed work..." -- unless you have more information than is revealed in these pages.

Upon reflection, I am sickened to think there are at least FIVE individuals out there who supposedly have information that could save millions of children world-wide (it is my understanding that WHO continues to promote the use of thimerosal even today)... FIVE people who have "insider information" and refuse to come forward because -- WHY???With all due respect to those who have been "working" on this for years and Mr. Kirby -- to claim that there are whistle-blowers who do not want to be identified because of their careers???? -- smacks of sensationalism or creative license trying to beef up the suspense/credibility.

Perhaps I am too naieve, but, I find it nearly IMPOSSIBLE to believe that someone (more than ONE someone??) could sit on that kind of information and still get up, kiss their families good-bye and report for duty day after day...

IF THESE WHISTLEBLOWERS exist (and, again, my apologies for sounding so skeptical ... see paragraph above) -- let's invite them to our homes to play with our children -- take them to a contained special education class -- show them the numbers of how many children will be leaving the education system at the age of 21 with NOTHING to support them --

But, most important, DO NOT ALLOW THEM TO BELIEVE that because *most* of the thimerosal has been removed, they are off the hook to come forward...

Show them the numbers of children who continue to be vaccinated every day in other countries with our generous donation of mercury-laced products.

P.S. Can someone please direct me to the links that show the numbers (in California, and elsewhere?) of cases of autism declining?THANKS!~Dawn

Re: Offit

Dawn wrote:

//someone would have a conscience sooner or later, right?

Please tell me I'm right.//

You're right Dawn.

Start with the Evidence of Harm index. Look under "whistleblowers, 282-83, 343-44, 361, 367-68, and 395"

Those are just a few of the highly credentialed insiders,

with long histories of globally acclaimed work, with absolutely no vested interest in anything except saving our children from being poisoned.

There are also others...internal memos, etc for decades.

Then there are the 'invisible' whistleblowers like the local pharmacist who told me (when picking up our vaccines),"you'd better read the insert carefully. Children are being damaged by these vaccines. My son's a pediatrician and he won't give them anymore".

I wish I had listened to him. My daughter might have a had

a life worth living.

[Guest guest]

I think some clarification is needed. The Offit presentation is a panel

discussion not a program that will take calls, at least I don't think it

will.

The only way to make our points is to call in to Washington Journal and ask

why Offit is being given this forum, why do they cut people off that call in

and question vaccine safety.

Ask the host why they have guests on to talk about the possible bird flu

epidemic but they screen and dump callers who want to talk about the autism

epidemic.

A few years back there was a small group of us who would call Washington

Journal on a regular basis and get past the screeners. It drove them crazy

and made the guests squirm

when we talked about our kids getting poisoned and the government doing

nothing about it. I remember getting a call into Newt Gingrich and watching

the smile vanish from his face

the more I talked. We blindsided Christie Todd Whitman, Arianna Huffington,

Ralph Nadar and numerous members of congress. The challenge of getting

through was as gratifying

as knowing that millions of people were going to hear you talk about mercury

containing vaccines causing autism, ADHD and Alzheimer's. Sometimes callers

would call in after one

of our calls and agree with what we said.

Washington Journal is a great way to reach the masses with our message if

you have the time to sit and hit redial, cleaver enough to get past the

screeners and then quick enough to

deliver your points. Unfortunately it is on at the same time that we are

getting our kids ready for school so it takes some planning.

Offit

>I would like to first challenge his credibility, then explain the bird

> flu has not affected one american. Yet we will earmark a few billion

> every year. I am disturbed that c-span would give him this forum at

> this time in the debate. I am disgusted and will make my points known

> to c-span after this interview, especially if it is a one sided pro-

> profit debate.

>

>

>

> P.S. If you get through please have a alternative point to your original

> in case someone on our side makes it. I hope everyone calls in and

> embarasses him and makes him look like the evil crook he is!

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

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Offit

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>> >I would like to first challenge his credibility, then explain the bird

>> > flu has not affected one american. Yet we will earmark a few billion

>> > every year. I am disturbed that c-span would give him this forum at

>> > this time in the debate. I am disgusted and will make my points known

>> > to c-span after this interview, especially if it is a one sided pro-

>> > profit debate.

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>> > P.S. If you get through please have a alternative point to your

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>> > in case someone on our side makes it. I hope everyone calls in and

>> > embarasses him and makes him look like the evil crook he is!

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Will Offit get more viewers on C-Span than the Eisner show?

Offit

I would like to first challenge his credibility, then explain the bird flu has not affected one american. Yet we will earmark a few billion every year. I am disturbed that c-span would give him this forum at this time in the debate. I am disgusted and will make my points known to c-span after this interview, especially if it is a one sided pro-profit debate. P.S. If you get through please have a alternative point to your originalin case someone on our side makes it. I hope everyone calls in and embarasses him and makes him look like the evil crook he is!>>

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All about liability so far. "Vaccines are the first product eliminated by litigation."

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on 4/14/06 10:20 AM, bobbie manning at bmanning83@... wrote:

All about liability so far. " Vaccines are the first product eliminated by litigation. "

Good luck everyone getting through!

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" thimerosal was taken out of all vaccines except flu "

here we go.....

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Talking about thimerosal now. You can't call in. This is a presentation.

Re: Offit

on 4/14/06 10:20 AM, bobbie manning at bmanning83@... wrote:

All about liability so far. "Vaccines are the first product eliminated by litigation."Good luck everyone getting through!

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omg- he is showing the USA Ad

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HA! He just showed the GR ad!

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of christine zichittella-heerenSent: Friday, April 14, 2006 10:24 AMEOHarm Subject: Re: Offit

on 4/14/06 10:20 AM, bobbie manning at bmanning83@... wrote:

All about liability so far. "Vaccines are the first product eliminated by litigation."Good luck everyone getting through!

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He just held up JB's USA Today ad!!!

Re: Offit

on 4/14/06 10:20 AM, bobbie manning at bmanning83@... wrote:

All about liability so far. "Vaccines are the first product eliminated by litigation."Good luck everyone getting through!

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on 4/14/06 10:26 AM, christine zichittella-heeren at

christine@... wrote:

> omg- he is showing the USA Ad

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i meant USA Today Ad....

He talked about our group. He called us " sinister "