RE: What about current vaccines and current diagnosis rates?

[Guest guest]

ok I wrote to my friend who had to special order a mulitdose vial of thimerosal free....

I asked her if she can contact the doc and get more info --brand lot# ex year.. etc..

I will let you know as soon as I know

jenny

What about current vaccines and current > diagnosis rates?> > > > > > I've got a child with an autism-spectrum disorder, and knowing > the> > true cause would certainly be a step forward, but now that > current> > vaccines are free of mercury, shouldn't we be seeing a > precipitous> > drop-off in rates of autism among the youngest cohorts? It > doesn't> > seem to be happening, according to the diagnosis rates reported > in> > California.> > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------> -----------> >

[Guest guest]

I saw a link on a post a while ago, maybe on Lenny's report, that was

the FDA's (I believe) response to Representative Weldon's request on

thimerosal in vaccines info. It said that the reason that the

inserts on vaccines say it still contained thimerosal was because

they did not change the insert yet, btu assured Rep. Weldon that the

vaccine did not contain more than a trace of thimerosal.

If you believe that, I have some swampland in Wisconsin to sell you.

Why in the world would they still keep the wording on the insert if

they did not have it in there, and why would the FDA accept a product

that was mislabeled?

I would appreciate it if anyone could locate it and post it again. I

will try Weldon's site to see if I can track it down.

> > > see the recent posts about the vaccines on the childhood

> schedule

> > STILL in docs offices STILL with thimerosal in them.

Rhogam

> and a

> > flu shot leaves a PG mom exposed to 80+micrograms before

the

> kid is

> > even born... mercury fillings, fish, coal buring plants...

> some

> > babies are born just on the edge. Give 'em a couple flu

shots

> and

> > SHOVE! right over the edge.

> > >

> > > Sad thing is while its out of SOME, its not out of all

AND

> trace

> > amounts are found in the thimerosal *FREE* shots b/c they

use

> it in

> > production.

> > > That is why we are trying to get the mercury banned

> nationally or

> > state by state. That is why it is so important to STILL

check

> > lables, vials, boxes and inserts AND request thimerosal

free

> vax

> > from you doc before you go.

> > >

> > > jenny#2

> > > What about current vaccines and

current

> > diagnosis rates?

> > >

> > >

> > > I've got a child with an autism-spectrum disorder, and

> knowing

> > the

> > > true cause would certainly be a step forward, but now

that

> > current

> > > vaccines are free of mercury, shouldn't we be seeing a

> > precipitous

> > > drop-off in rates of autism among the youngest cohorts?

It

> > doesn't

> > > seem to be happening, according to the diagnosis rates

> reported

> > in

> > > California.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ----------------------------------------------------------

---

> ------

> > -----------

> > >

[Guest guest]

I remember that story, too, but I did not keep it. I recall wondering if anything could get any more stupid...other than injecting mercury, of course.

Sylvia Kasemodel <tkasemodel@...> wrote:

I saw a link on a post a while ago, maybe on Lenny's report, that was the FDA's (I believe) response to Representative Weldon's request on thimerosal in vaccines info. It said that the reason that the inserts on vaccines say it still contained thimerosal was because they did not change the insert yet, btu assured Rep. Weldon that the vaccine did not contain more than a trace of thimerosal.If you believe that, I have some swampland in Wisconsin to sell you. Why in the world would they still keep the wording on the insert if they did not have it in there, and why would the FDA accept a product that was mislabeled? I would appreciate it if anyone could locate it and post it again. I will try Weldon's site to see if I can track it down.

[Guest guest]

Could someone please help me here...

I wish I could say I was the brightest light bulb in the box, but I am not.

Did I not hear Kirby say they put the Thimerosal in the vaccines to kill the bacteria then push it out with NAC to make them Thimerosal free.

Now I am no scholar but I am actively chelating my kid and regular confer with others also actively pushing Hg out of there kids.

If there is one thing I can say, it is that no one clears the Hg consistently in equal uniform amounts in any kind of systematic fashion.

How is it they have a manufacturing process that has this down to a science when none of us can clear it from our own kids systemantically using NAC and other state of the art chelators.

So the Hg just defies it's God given characteristics to imbed in cells and comes out on command?

I don't believe it.

I think they have a label and maybe a process but I don't think they have a Thimerosal Free product...chelation is just not that easy.

What they do have is no reprocussions for lying, accountabilty or threat of FDA pulling their product. One bottle of tainted tylenol and the shelves are clear, but vaccine manufacturers have no such worries. Like the Autismdiva they can be anything they want to be, no one polices them.

I think HAPI is right but they are no match for pharmco advertising.

They have legal, PR teams and probably even some neurodiverse working to dispell us.

Wonder what comes out to combat the Salon expose???

Why don't we challenge the media to purchase some shots and test them independently?

Infact...why don't we dare them.

UPI would be my first non-bias choice.

Kasemodel <tkasemodel@...> wrote:

I saw a link on a post a while ago, maybe on Lenny's report, that was the FDA's (I believe) response to Representative Weldon's request on thimerosal in vaccines info. It said that the reason that the inserts on vaccines say it still contained thimerosal was because they did not change the insert yet, btu assured Rep. Weldon that the vaccine did not contain more than a trace of thimerosal.If you believe that, I have some swampland in Wisconsin to sell you. Why in the world would they still keep the wording on the insert if they did not have it in there, and why would the FDA accept a product that was mislabeled? I would appreciate it if anyone could locate it and post it again. I will try Weldon's site to see if I can track it down.> > > see the recent posts about the vaccines on the childhood > schedule > > STILL in docs offices STILL with thimerosal in them. Rhogam > and a

> > flu shot leaves a PG mom exposed to 80+micrograms before the > kid is > > even born... mercury fillings, fish, coal buring plants... > some > > babies are born just on the edge. Give 'em a couple flu shots > and > > SHOVE! right over the edge.> > > > > > Sad thing is while its out of SOME, its not out of all AND > trace > > amounts are found in the thimerosal *FREE* shots b/c they use > it in > > production.> > > That is why we are trying to get the

mercury banned > nationally or > > state by state. That is why it is so important to STILL check > > lables, vials, boxes and inserts AND request thimerosal free > vax > > from you doc before you go.> > > > > > jenny#2> > > What about current vaccines

and current > > diagnosis rates?> > > > > > > > > I've got a child with an autism-spectrum disorder, and > knowing > > the> > > true cause would certainly be a step forward, but now that > > current> > > vaccines are free of mercury, shouldn't we be seeing a > > precipitous> > > drop-off in rates of autism among the youngest cohorts? It > > doesn't>

> > seem to be happening, according to the diagnosis rates > reported > > in> > > California.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------> ------> > -----------> > >

[Guest guest]

: Even the Fraud and Drug Administration knows that there are

currently 10 pediatric vaccines with trace mercury in them. But of

course the FDA has never said at what level ethymercury does cause

harm. Incredibly, from all that I can tell, they base their decision

on allowing mercury to remain in vaccines on the fact that they

DON'T know something.

Here's the chart that lists the 10 vaccines:

http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm

> > > > see the recent posts about the vaccines on the

childhood

> > schedule

> > > STILL in docs offices STILL with thimerosal in them.

> Rhogam

> > and a

> > > flu shot leaves a PG mom exposed to 80+micrograms before

> the

> > kid is

> > > even born... mercury fillings, fish, coal buring

plants...

> > some

> > > babies are born just on the edge. Give 'em a couple flu

> shots

> > and

> > > SHOVE! right over the edge.

> > > >

> > > > Sad thing is while its out of SOME, its not out of all

> AND

> > trace

> > > amounts are found in the thimerosal *FREE* shots b/c

they

> use

> > it in

> > > production.

> > > > That is why we are trying to get the mercury banned

> > nationally or

> > > state by state. That is why it is so important to STILL

> check

> > > lables, vials, boxes and inserts AND request thimerosal

> free

> > vax

> > > from you doc before you go.

> > > >

> > > > jenny#2

> > > > What about current vaccines and

> current

> > > diagnosis rates?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I've got a child with an autism-spectrum disorder,

and

> > knowing

> > > the

> > > > true cause would certainly be a step forward, but

now

> that

> > > current

> > > > vaccines are free of mercury, shouldn't we be seeing

a

> > > precipitous

> > > > drop-off in rates of autism among the youngest

cohorts?

> It

> > > doesn't

> > > > seem to be happening, according to the diagnosis

rates

> > reported

> > > in

> > > > California.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -------------------------------------------------------

---

> ---

> > ------

> > > -----------

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Aside from getting the VSD opened up, two things we need very badly. Vaccine vial testing rountinely done, and a dead serious brutal push to force the FDA to declare safe exposure levels of ethylmercury. The Brubacher study is proof enough that methyl and ethyl aren't even similar mercury compounds.

We know they know this stuff and yes they are hiding this information for a time they deem to be "appropriate". If this is untrue it's clear that the FDA is abusive of the American public and is working in concert with industry to conceal things. There's simply no excuse for not already having a ethylmercury safe exposure level.

What about current vaccines and > current > > > diagnosis rates?> > > > > > > > > > > > I've got a child with an autism-spectrum disorder, and > > knowing > > > the> > > > true cause would certainly be a step forward, but now > that > > > current> > > > vaccines are free of mercury, shouldn't we be seeing a > > > precipitous> > > > drop-off in rates of autism among the youngest cohorts? > It > > > doesn't> > > > seem to be happening, according to the diagnosis rates > > reported > > > in> > > > California.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------> ---> > ------> > > -----------> > > >

[Guest guest]

I think they are mini-vials in a box.....or it's a worse conspiracy

than I thought...

> > >

> > > HI

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Actually it has been quite rocky the past five quarters

> > >

> > > 2 drops

> > >

> > > 3 increases (I will verify my data and get back to you)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Or lenny can he's the man!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hugs

> > >

> > > A Jeff's mom

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ---------------------------------

> > >

> > >

> > > From: EOHarm

> [mailto:EOHarm ] On

> > Behalf Of brian@d...

> > > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 9:49 AM

> > > EOHarm

> > > Subject: Re: What about current vaccines and

> current

> > diagnosis rates?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Rates of new diagnoses in California have dropped over

> > > something like 5 of the last 6 quarters in California.

> > > There is documentation of similar decreases in Indiana as

> > > well.

> > >

> > > The CDC has the information to do nationwide surveillance

> > > but remains strangely silent on the subject.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ---- Original message ----

> > > >Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 16:46:09 -0000

> > > >From: " Craig Hansen " <craighansen@y...>

> > > >Subject: What about current vaccines and current

> > > diagnosis rates?

> > > >EOHarm

> > > >

> > > > I've got a child with an autism-spectrum disorder,

> > > > and knowing the

> > > > true cause would certainly be a step forward, but

> > > > now that current

> > > > vaccines are free of mercury, shouldn't we be seeing

> > > > a precipitous

> > > > drop-off in rates of autism among the youngest

> > > > cohorts? It doesn't

> > > > seem to be happening, according to the diagnosis

> > > > rates reported in

> > > > California.

> > > >

> > > > ----------------------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Kerbob -

Maybe they already know the safe exposure level is ZERO, and that is

why they do not want to publicly establish one?

K.

" Kerbob " wrote:

> Aside from getting the VSD opened up, two things we need very

badly. Vaccine vial testing rountinely done, and a dead serious

brutal push to force the FDA to declare safe exposure levels of

ethylmercury. The Brubacher study is proof enough that methyl and

ethyl aren't even similar mercury compounds.

>

> We know they know this stuff and yes they are hiding this

information for a time they deem to be " appropriate " . If this is

untrue it's clear that the FDA is abusive of the American public and

is working in concert with industry to conceal things. There's simply

no excuse for not already having a ethylmercury safe exposure level.

>

[Guest guest]

How is that not PROOF then?

Have you ever seen the mercury timeline at Leahy's web site.

http://www.senate.gov/member/vt/leahy/general/issues/environment/mercury/hg_time.html

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Reagan, Alzheimer's Victim

Re: What about current vaccines and current diagnosis rates?

Kerbob - Maybe they already know the safe exposure level is ZERO, and that is why they do not want to publicly establish one? K."Kerbob" wrote:> Aside from getting the VSD opened up, two things we need very badly. Vaccine vial testing rountinely done, and a dead serious brutal push to force the FDA to declare safe exposure levels of ethylmercury. The Brubacher study is proof enough that methyl and ethyl aren't even similar mercury compounds.> > We know they know this stuff and yes they are hiding this information for a time they deem to be "appropriate". If this is untrue it's clear that the FDA is abusive of the American public and is working in concert with industry to conceal things. There's simply no excuse for not already having a ethylmercury safe exposure level.>

[Guest guest]

Does anyone here remember Dr. Mark Geier's testimony at the last IOM

meeting when he said he was testing the vials that were supposedly

mercury free and he was finding the full amount in them, and it was

not listed in the PDR or or on the inserts. He even went so far as to

say that the reason they are doing this is because they know if they

take it all out at once and the autism rates drop it will be further

proof it was the thimerisol. If anyone hasn't listened I can send the

link. I think it was meeting number 9, Feb 2004.

Also, whats this about DT. Are you telling me you can't get a plain

tetnus booster now, you have to get it with Diptheria. My boyfriend

works on septic systems. He got a bad cut on his leg that needed

stitches. He went to the ER. They wanted to give him a tetnus

booster. He told them he did not want anything but a tetnus. They

lied to him. He got the bill and right on it it said DT. He was

bullshit. To make matters worse they gave him the shot and never

stitched him up. They left it open. One of the women I work with who

is 72yrs old cut herself. She went to the ER and they gave her a DPT.

She got really sick, she was out of work for two weeks. DPT is not

recommended for anyone over 7yrs old. The nurse at the hospital told

her they were all out of tetnus and the DPT was all they had. She

asked if giving her the DPT would cause a problem. Can you believe

the nurse said are you kidding I could give you five of these and it

wouldn't cause any problems. When she came back to work and told me

why she was out sick I told her the DPT is not recommended for anyone

over 7 because of the reaction. I even gave her the printout from the

pharmaceutical. I tried to convince her to call an attorney but that

age group thinks doctors are GOD. I would have done it in a second.

This is why I don't trust anyone in main stream medicine now.

Peggy

> > >

> > > HI

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Actually it has been quite rocky the past five quarters

> > >

> > > 2 drops

> > >

> > > 3 increases (I will verify my data and get back to you)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Or lenny can he's the man!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hugs

> > >

> > > A Jeff's mom

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ---------------------------------

> > >

> > >

> > > From: EOHarm

> [mailto:EOHarm ] On

> > Behalf Of brian@d...

> > > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 9:49 AM

> > > EOHarm

> > > Subject: Re: What about current vaccines and

> current

> > diagnosis rates?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Rates of new diagnoses in California have dropped over

> > > something like 5 of the last 6 quarters in California.

> > > There is documentation of similar decreases in Indiana as

> > > well.

> > >

> > > The CDC has the information to do nationwide surveillance

> > > but remains strangely silent on the subject.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ---- Original message ----

> > > >Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 16:46:09 -0000

> > > >From: " Craig Hansen " <craighansen@y...>

> > > >Subject: What about current vaccines and

current

> > > diagnosis rates?

> > > >EOHarm

> > > >

> > > > I've got a child with an autism-spectrum disorder,

> > > > and knowing the

> > > > true cause would certainly be a step forward, but

> > > > now that current

> > > > vaccines are free of mercury, shouldn't we be seeing

> > > > a precipitous

> > > > drop-off in rates of autism among the youngest

> > > > cohorts? It doesn't

> > > > seem to be happening, according to the diagnosis

> > > > rates reported in

> > > > California.

> > > >

> > > > ----------------------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

I had forgotten about Reagan and how she has been working on

alzheimers. Does anyone know how to get a book to her? I will send

it I just don't know how! My grandmother died with alzheimers and

now my dad is finally listening to me. She was toxic in the same

metals as my son and when I asked why my dad and his sisters didn't

chelate her, he said he didn't know. The doctors had told them

there was no use because she would still die of alzheimers either

way and they never got a second opinion.

> > Aside from getting the VSD opened up, two things we need very

> badly. Vaccine vial testing rountinely done, and a dead serious

> brutal push to force the FDA to declare safe exposure levels of

> ethylmercury. The Brubacher study is proof enough that methyl

and

> ethyl aren't even similar mercury compounds.

> >

> > We know they know this stuff and yes they are hiding this

> information for a time they deem to be " appropriate " . If this is

> untrue it's clear that the FDA is abusive of the American public

and

> is working in concert with industry to conceal things. There's

simply

> no excuse for not already having a ethylmercury safe exposure

level.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> -------------------------------------------------------------------

-----------

>

[Guest guest]

Question:What is the safe exposure level of Plutoium ?How are they suited up to deal with a coolant leak at 3 mile Island?I am a big believer in truth.I think it wins out...eventually.I have been chelating my child for a year. Talk about a bio-chemical clean-up task. Everything has to be right mineral levels, immunity, fungus control, diet(nutrition)to squeak this stuff out of him.The level at which it comes out is never consistant.I think our key is testing these Mercury Free shots in an independent public non-bias arena.Prove to me this comes out of tissues at a cellular level with the greatest of manufacturing ease. No disclaimers please. I just do not believe it I think Mercury is incidious.I think it's diabolic dangers date back to alchemy.I strongly suspect they are not producing Hg free shots.I will eat crow if they have found a way to get this stuff out of cells with

just NAC. One of our many chelators too.I think the Pharmcos are heavily protected at many levels, politically and with the media.

We need to relentlessly keep telling our story til there is public outcry for stringent accountabilty.If they want a vaccine program to fly, it they want herd immunity the trade off is consumer confidence.We most definitely have the Simpsonwood quotes to challenge that!

> Maybe they already know the safe exposure level is ZERO, and that is why they do not want to publicly establish one?> > K.__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Send one to Ron Jr. through his MSNBC show.

Re: What about current vaccines and current diagnosis rates?

I had forgotten about Reagan and how she has been working on alzheimers. Does anyone know how to get a book to her? I will send it I just don't know how! My grandmother died with alzheimers and now my dad is finally listening to me. She was toxic in the same metals as my son and when I asked why my dad and his sisters didn't chelate her, he said he didn't know. The doctors had told them there was no use because she would still die of alzheimers either way and they never got a second opinion.> > Aside from getting the VSD opened up, two things we need very > badly. Vaccine vial testing rountinely done, and a dead serious > brutal push to force the FDA to declare safe exposure levels of > ethylmercury. The Brubacher study is proof enough that methyl and > ethyl aren't even similar mercury compounds.> > > > We know they know this stuff and yes they are hiding this > information for a time they deem to be "appropriate". If this is > untrue it's clear that the FDA is abusive of the American public and > is working in concert with industry to conceal things. There's simply > no excuse for not already having a ethylmercury safe exposure level.> > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------>

[Guest guest]

> Does anyone here remember Dr. Mark Geier's testimony at the last IOM

> meeting when he said he was testing the vials that were supposedly

> mercury free and he was finding the full amount in them, and it was

> not listed in the PDR or or on the inserts. He even went so far as

to

> say that the reason they are doing this is because they know if they

> take it all out at once and the autism rates drop it will be further

> proof it was the thimerisol. If anyone hasn't listened I can send

> the link. I think it was meeting number 9, Feb 2004.

http://www.iom.edu/subpage.asp?id=18065

Dr. Mark Geier and Geier

February 9, 2004 presentation before IOM

20:39 in length

16:38 - Dr. Mark Geier saying that Thimerosal-bearing vaccines are

left out of the PDR (Physicians Desk Reference)

19:25 - Dr. Mark Geier: " What's occurring here is a coverup under the

guise of protecting the vaccine program... and I'm FOR the vaccine

program, and if you keep covering it up, you're not going to HAVE a

vaccine program. "

Also see:

http://www.universityofhealth.net/NAS/NAS%20Roster.htm

COPY & PASTE these links onto your computer for future reference, and

to send to media and legislators with bullet points.

Hokkanen

Minneapolis

[Guest guest]

These are great !! Now saved and tucked away on my computer...

> > Does anyone here remember Dr. Mark Geier's testimony at the last

IOM

> > meeting when he said he was testing the vials that were

supposedly

> > mercury free and he was finding the full amount in them, and it

was

> > not listed in the PDR or or on the inserts. He even went so far

as

> to

> > say that the reason they are doing this is because they know if

they

> > take it all out at once and the autism rates drop it will be

further

> > proof it was the thimerisol. If anyone hasn't listened I can

send

> > the link. I think it was meeting number 9, Feb 2004.

>

>

> http://www.iom.edu/subpage.asp?id=18065

> Dr. Mark Geier and Geier

> February 9, 2004 presentation before IOM

> 20:39 in length

>

> 16:38 - Dr. Mark Geier saying that Thimerosal-bearing vaccines are

> left out of the PDR (Physicians Desk Reference)

>

> 19:25 - Dr. Mark Geier: " What's occurring here is a coverup under

the

> guise of protecting the vaccine program... and I'm FOR the vaccine

> program, and if you keep covering it up, you're not going to HAVE

a

> vaccine program. "

>

> Also see:

> http://www.universityofhealth.net/NAS/NAS%20Roster.htm

>

> COPY & PASTE these links onto your computer for future reference,

and

> to send to media and legislators with bullet points.

>

> Hokkanen

> Minneapolis

[Guest guest]

I heard about it. Please post or send me the link!!

Thanks

Kathleen

> > > >

> > > > HI

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Actually it has been quite rocky the past five quarters

> > > >

> > > > 2 drops

> > > >

> > > > 3 increases (I will verify my data and get back to you)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Or lenny can he's the man!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hugs

> > > >

> > > > A Jeff's mom

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ---------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > From: EOHarm

> > [mailto:EOHarm ] On

> > > Behalf Of brian@d...

> > > > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 9:49 AM

> > > > EOHarm

> > > > Subject: Re: What about current vaccines and

> > current

> > > diagnosis rates?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Rates of new diagnoses in California have dropped over

> > > > something like 5 of the last 6 quarters in California.

> > > > There is documentation of similar decreases in Indiana

as

> > > > well.

> > > >

> > > > The CDC has the information to do nationwide

surveillance

> > > > but remains strangely silent on the subject.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ---- Original message ----

> > > > >Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 16:46:09 -0000

> > > > >From: " Craig Hansen " <craighansen@y...>

> > > > >Subject: What about current vaccines and

> current

> > > > diagnosis rates?

> > > > >EOHarm

> > > > >

> > > > > I've got a child with an autism-spectrum disorder,

> > > > > and knowing the

> > > > > true cause would certainly be a step forward, but

> > > > > now that current

> > > > > vaccines are free of mercury, shouldn't we be seeing

> > > > > a precipitous

> > > > > drop-off in rates of autism among the youngest

> > > > > cohorts? It doesn't

> > > > > seem to be happening, according to the diagnosis

> > > > > rates reported in

> > > > > California.

> > > > >

> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

thanks, I guess I will have to listen to the whole thing.. I went to the places you listed with those quotes and didn't hear the part where he tested vials that were supposed to have trace, and had full amounts instead.

I will listen to the whole thing tomorrow.

jenny

Re: What about current vaccines and current diagnosis rates?

> Does anyone here remember Dr. Mark Geier's testimony at the last IOM > meeting when he said he was testing the vials that were supposedly > mercury free and he was finding the full amount in them, and it was > not listed in the PDR or or on the inserts. He even went so far as to > say that the reason they are doing this is because they know if they > take it all out at once and the autism rates drop it will be further > proof it was the thimerisol. If anyone hasn't listened I can send > the link. I think it was meeting number 9, Feb 2004.http://www.iom.edu/subpage.asp?id=18065Dr. Mark Geier and GeierFebruary 9, 2004 presentation before IOM20:39 in length16:38 - Dr. Mark Geier saying that Thimerosal-bearing vaccines are left out of the PDR (Physicians Desk Reference)19:25 - Dr. Mark Geier: "What's occurring here is a coverup under the guise of protecting the vaccine program... and I'm FOR the vaccine program, and if you keep covering it up, you're not going to HAVE a vaccine program."Also see:http://www.universityofhealth.net/NAS/NAS%20Roster.htmCOPY & PASTE these links onto your computer for future reference, and to send to media and legislators with bullet points. HokkanenMinneapolis

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People can ask for tetanus immuno-globulin but I don't have all of the details as to whether ER's will have access to it. Anyone?

Heidi

Re: What about current vaccines and current diagnosis rates?

Does anyone here remember Dr. Mark Geier's testimony at the last IOM meeting when he said he was testing the vials that were supposedly mercury free and he was finding the full amount in them, and it was not listed in the PDR or or on the inserts. He even went so far as to say that the reason they are doing this is because they know if they take it all out at once and the autism rates drop it will be further proof it was the thimerisol. If anyone hasn't listened I can send the link. I think it was meeting number 9, Feb 2004.Also, whats this about DT. Are you telling me you can't get a plain tetnus booster now, you have to get it with Diptheria. My boyfriend works on septic systems. He got a bad cut on his leg that needed stitches. He went to the ER. They wanted to give him a tetnus booster. He told them he did not want anything but a tetnus. They lied to him. He got the bill and right on it it said DT. He was bullshit. To make matters worse they gave him the shot and never stitched him up. They left it open. One of the women I work with who is 72yrs old cut herself. She went to the ER and they gave her a DPT. She got really sick, she was out of work for two weeks. DPT is not recommended for anyone over 7yrs old. The nurse at the hospital told her they were all out of tetnus and the DPT was all they had. She asked if giving her the DPT would cause a problem. Can you believe the nurse said are you kidding I could give you five of these and it wouldn't cause any problems. When she came back to work and told me why she was out sick I told her the DPT is not recommended for anyone over 7 because of the reaction. I even gave her the printout from the pharmaceutical. I tried to convince her to call an attorney but that age group thinks doctors are GOD. I would have done it in a second. This is why I don't trust anyone in main stream medicine now.Peggy

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Heidi,

I think that also has thimerisol in it. Maybe I'm wrong.

Peggy

> People can ask for tetanus immuno-globulin but I don't have all of

the details as to whether ER's will have access to it. Anyone?

>

> Heidi

>

>

> Re: What about current vaccines and current

diagnosis rates?

>

>

> Does anyone here remember Dr. Mark Geier's testimony at the last

IOM

> meeting when he said he was testing the vials that were

supposedly

> mercury free and he was finding the full amount in them, and it

was

> not listed in the PDR or or on the inserts. He even went so far

as to

> say that the reason they are doing this is because they know if

they

> take it all out at once and the autism rates drop it will be

further

> proof it was the thimerisol. If anyone hasn't listened I can send

the

> link. I think it was meeting number 9, Feb 2004.

>

> Also, whats this about DT. Are you telling me you can't get a

plain

> tetnus booster now, you have to get it with Diptheria. My

boyfriend

> works on septic systems. He got a bad cut on his leg that needed

> stitches. He went to the ER. They wanted to give him a tetnus

> booster. He told them he did not want anything but a tetnus. They

> lied to him. He got the bill and right on it it said DT. He was

> bullshit. To make matters worse they gave him the shot and never

> stitched him up. They left it open. One of the women I work with

who

> is 72yrs old cut herself. She went to the ER and they gave her a

DPT.

> She got really sick, she was out of work for two weeks. DPT is

not

> recommended for anyone over 7yrs old. The nurse at the hospital

told

> her they were all out of tetnus and the DPT was all they had. She

> asked if giving her the DPT would cause a problem. Can you

believe

> the nurse said are you kidding I could give you five of these and

it

> wouldn't cause any problems. When she came back to work and told

me

> why she was out sick I told her the DPT is not recommended for

anyone

> over 7 because of the reaction. I even gave her the printout from

the

> pharmaceutical. I tried to convince her to call an attorney but

that

> age group thinks doctors are GOD. I would have done it in a

second.

> This is why I don't trust anyone in main stream medicine now.

>

> Peggy

[Guest guest]

tetanus;

http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=302864 & highlight=tetanus

--- elevatordance <elevatordance@...> wrote:

> People can ask for tetanus immuno-globulin but I

> don't have all of the details as to whether ER's

> will have access to it. Anyone?

>

> Heidi

>

>

> Re: What about current vaccines

> and current diagnosis rates?

>

>

> Does anyone here remember Dr. Mark Geier's

> testimony at the last IOM

> meeting when he said he was testing the vials that

> were supposedly

> mercury free and he was finding the full amount in

> them, and it was

> not listed in the PDR or or on the inserts. He

> even went so far as to

> say that the reason they are doing this is because

> they know if they

> take it all out at once and the autism rates drop

> it will be further

> proof it was the thimerisol. If anyone hasn't

> listened I can send the

> link. I think it was meeting number 9, Feb 2004.

>

> Also, whats this about DT. Are you telling me you

> can't get a plain

> tetnus booster now, you have to get it with

> Diptheria. My boyfriend

> works on septic systems. He got a bad cut on his

> leg that needed

> stitches. He went to the ER. They wanted to give

> him a tetnus

> booster. He told them he did not want anything but

> a tetnus. They

> lied to him. He got the bill and right on it it

> said DT. He was

> bullshit. To make matters worse they gave him the

> shot and never

> stitched him up. They left it open. One of the

> women I work with who

> is 72yrs old cut herself. She went to the ER and

> they gave her a DPT.

> She got really sick, she was out of work for two

> weeks. DPT is not

> recommended for anyone over 7yrs old. The nurse at

> the hospital told

> her they were all out of tetnus and the DPT was

> all they had. She

> asked if giving her the DPT would cause a problem.

> Can you believe

> the nurse said are you kidding I could give you

> five of these and it

> wouldn't cause any problems. When she came back to

> work and told me

> why she was out sick I told her the DPT is not

> recommended for anyone

> over 7 because of the reaction. I even gave her

> the printout from the

> pharmaceutical. I tried to convince her to call an

> attorney but that

> age group thinks doctors are GOD. I would have

> done it in a second.

> This is why I don't trust anyone in main stream

> medicine now.

>

> Peggy

>

>

>

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sorry, i posted the wrong link. but if you ask on the

mothering board, you should be able to get your

answer.

--- barb beaudot <mnkygrl9@...> wrote:

> tetanus;

>

>

http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=302864 & highlight=tetanus

>

> --- elevatordance <elevatordance@...>

> wrote:

>

> > People can ask for tetanus immuno-globulin but I

> > don't have all of the details as to whether ER's

> > will have access to it. Anyone?

> >

> > Heidi

> >

> >

> > Re: What about current

> vaccines

> > and current diagnosis rates?

> >

> >

> > Does anyone here remember Dr. Mark Geier's

> > testimony at the last IOM

> > meeting when he said he was testing the vials

> that

> > were supposedly

> > mercury free and he was finding the full amount

> in

> > them, and it was

> > not listed in the PDR or or on the inserts. He

> > even went so far as to

> > say that the reason they are doing this is

> because

> > they know if they

> > take it all out at once and the autism rates

> drop

> > it will be further

> > proof it was the thimerisol. If anyone hasn't

> > listened I can send the

> > link. I think it was meeting number 9, Feb 2004.

> >

> > Also, whats this about DT. Are you telling me

> you

> > can't get a plain

> > tetnus booster now, you have to get it with

> > Diptheria. My boyfriend

> > works on septic systems. He got a bad cut on his

> > leg that needed

> > stitches. He went to the ER. They wanted to give

> > him a tetnus

> > booster. He told them he did not want anything

> but

> > a tetnus. They

> > lied to him. He got the bill and right on it it

> > said DT. He was

> > bullshit. To make matters worse they gave him

> the

> > shot and never

> > stitched him up. They left it open. One of the

> > women I work with who

> > is 72yrs old cut herself. She went to the ER and

> > they gave her a DPT.

> > She got really sick, she was out of work for two

> > weeks. DPT is not

> > recommended for anyone over 7yrs old. The nurse

> at

> > the hospital told

> > her they were all out of tetnus and the DPT was

> > all they had. She

> > asked if giving her the DPT would cause a

> problem.

> > Can you believe

> > the nurse said are you kidding I could give you

> > five of these and it

> > wouldn't cause any problems. When she came back

> to

> > work and told me

> > why she was out sick I told her the DPT is not

> > recommended for anyone

> > over 7 because of the reaction. I even gave her

> > the printout from the

> > pharmaceutical. I tried to convince her to call

> an

> > attorney but that

> > age group thinks doctors are GOD. I would have

> > done it in a second.

> > This is why I don't trust anyone in main stream

> > medicine now.

> >

> > Peggy

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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