Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Hi Mark! Excellent objective remarks regarding NAAR. Here in South Florida, NAAR is hugely supported with thousands attending the annual Walk Far for NAAR. I have constantly talked to local parents about NAAR and have urged them to support organizations like the NAA and SafeMinds. But I also believe we need to be overtly confrontational with this organization, or any organization, which does more harm than good to our kids. Putting my belief into action, I protested the last year's walk by carrying signs shaming NAAR and stating autism was caused by thimerosal mercury poisoning, etc. It was awful lonely with me on one side and 3000 supporters on the other. But I'll definitely be back again next year. And maybe I won't be so lonely. Charlie PS: I did have some parents give me the thumbs up and honk their horns in support of me. I think this speaks volumes that parents are increasingly disillusioned with NAAR's " it's genetic " stance. They are just trying to " help their kid " and NAAR Walking " is there " . And I did have someone heave an empty soda can at me over a hedge so they still have at least one ardent supporter who has my empathy. Of course this may not be true as Mr. London was there. > A few thoughts on NAAR. > > 1. There are clearly a few outspoken individuals who have contributed > to NAAR's external reputation. London stands out. As a fellow > parent, he deserves a measure of personal respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Charlie, Let us know when it is in advance. You need CK2 supporters. --- Charlie Hoover <.Hoover@...> wrote: > Hi Mark! > > Excellent objective remarks regarding NAAR. Here in > South Florida, > NAAR is hugely supported with thousands attending > the annual Walk > Far for NAAR. I have constantly talked to local > parents about NAAR > and have urged them to support organizations like > the NAA and > SafeMinds. But I also believe we need to be overtly > confrontational > with this organization, or any organization, which > does more harm > than good to our kids. Putting my belief into > action, I protested > the last year's walk by carrying signs shaming NAAR > and stating > autism was caused by thimerosal mercury poisoning, > etc. It was awful > lonely with me on one side and 3000 supporters on > the other. But > I'll definitely be back again next year. And maybe I > won't be so > lonely. > > Charlie > > PS: I did have some parents give me the thumbs up > and honk their > horns in support of me. I think this speaks volumes > that parents are > increasingly disillusioned with NAAR's " it's > genetic " stance. They > are just trying to " help their kid " and NAAR Walking > " is there " . And > I did have someone heave an empty soda can at me > over a hedge so > they still have at least one ardent supporter who > has my empathy. Of > course this may not be true as Mr. London was there. > > > > A few thoughts on NAAR. > > > > 1. There are clearly a few outspoken individuals > who have > contributed > > to NAAR's external reputation. London stands > out. As a fellow > > parent, he deserves a measure of personal respect. > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 WAY TO GO CHARLIE!!!!! wish i was there standing beside you. Well, in spirit we are all there with you. I read a post on an aspie website where an aspie from Long Island protested the NAAR walk here and got crap thrown at him too. He was holding signs that said things like " don't cure me " . I think someone even spit on him. He posted signs in the grass (with metal spikes) with his sayings on them. Although i don't agree with what he was saying- I admire people who will stand up to thousands.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 I think at the foundation of many of these "autism" organizations is Pharma. So it only makes perfect sense that they become angry since groups like NAA and Safe Minds appear to be moving in on their racket. Years ago, before the connection became public, drug companies sunk all sorts of money into "charities" with the idea of them becoming vehicles for their drug experimentation agenda. Perhaps many of us can attest to that fact that drug research is the basis of their existence. "A little Ritalin goes a long way" etc. You would think with the modern revelations of drug experimentation failures such as well....basically all SSRI-type drugs being coupled to suicidal tendencies in pre-schoolers mindful pediatricians would lay off. There is clearly something wrong here. It's interesting to note that school systems that require children with disabilities such as autism to be sedated are faced with all these teen Rambos shooting things up. The stat is something like 100% of them were on some anti-depressant drug at the time of their rampages. Alas, as one of Imus' Friday morning guest correctly stated something to the effect of all doctors accept nothing, but their own diagnosis of the situation. This is true in many cases. For example, try handing a doctor the study that concluded the flu shot is completely ineffective in preventing death. That study reviewed the flu shot going all the way back to 1968. Over that time the flu shot stats never expressed any sort of death-dissuading difference. Here's a sliver from the lead author: ''There is a sense that we're all going to die if we don't get the flu shot,'' said the study's lead author, Lone Simonsen, a senior epidemiologist at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. ''Maybe that's a little much.'' Well, the result of pointing things like the flu shot out o doctors is useless. Despite the fact that allopaths have very little understanding of what they are doing except from what they read in drug company propaganda they remain arrogant to anyone knowing more than they do. So what about NAAR? Perhaps the D.C. out in Nevada could extend his $20,000 to them as well? re: Not walking for NAAR Hi Mark! Excellent objective remarks regarding NAAR. Here in South Florida, NAAR is hugely supported with thousands attending the annual Walk Far for NAAR. I have constantly talked to local parents about NAAR and have urged them to support organizations like the NAA and SafeMinds. But I also believe we need to be overtly confrontational with this organization, or any organization, which does more harm than good to our kids. Putting my belief into action, I protested the last year's walk by carrying signs shaming NAAR and stating autism was caused by thimerosal mercury poisoning, etc. It was awful lonely with me on one side and 3000 supporters on the other. But I'll definitely be back again next year. And maybe I won't be so lonely.Charlie PS: I did have some parents give me the thumbs up and honk their horns in support of me. I think this speaks volumes that parents are increasingly disillusioned with NAAR's "it's genetic" stance. They are just trying to "help their kid" and NAAR Walking "is there". And I did have someone heave an empty soda can at me over a hedge so they still have at least one ardent supporter who has my empathy. Of course this may not be true as Mr. London was there.> A few thoughts on NAAR.> > 1. There are clearly a few outspoken individuals who have contributed > to NAAR's external reputation. London stands out. As a fellow > parent, he deserves a measure of personal respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 I took the medical reference class in library school. I did a practicum with the consumer health librarian at a hospital in Montreal. She was struggled with the question of links to " patient " organizations. Sometimes their sites had a lot of valuable info, but some of them also had ads from drug companies. She felt (rightly, I think) that any non-profit organization that was sponsored by a business had become corrupt and untrustworthy. The same topic was discussed in class. There are shadings. Some patient organizations are simply pharma fronts. Some are real organizations that have accepted money and slid down towards becoming pharma fronts. Some organizations put the patients first and never accept money that comes with strings or influence. The worst part is that the corrupt or fake organizations usually have plenty of money and staff, so they are visible to the public. The real organizations are scraping along on half of a shoestring, usually don't act or sound as professional as the fake ones...it is disgusting...but typical of our times that false fronts are more convincing that real folks talking about real problems! It isn't just a problem in autism. Same thing in diabetes, heart disease, etc., etc. Deborah > I think at the foundation of many of these " autism " organizations is Pharma. So it only makes perfect sense that they become angry since groups like NAA and Safe Minds appear to be moving in on their racket. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Thank you and . NAAR is just as culpable as the FDA & CDC for prolonging the autism epidemic through their " thimerosal vaccines and the MMR have nothing to do with autism " stance. This was their stance from the very beginning and long before any research on the vaccine-autism connection had even been considered. There is only one reason for taking this stance. They were seeking federal funds and research grants. Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 There is a special place in hell for every individual and institution that stuck their heads in the sand and intentionally allowed the epidemic of autism and other related damage to take place by injecting babies with mercury. Ricci > Thank you and . > > NAAR is just as culpable as the FDA & CDC for prolonging the autism > epidemic through their " thimerosal vaccines and the MMR have nothing > to do with autism " stance. This was their stance from the very > beginning and long before any research on the vaccine-autism > connection had even been considered. There is only one reason for > taking this stance. They were seeking federal funds and research > grants. > > Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 AMEN This fact gives me some solice The rest of my feelings fuel my actions You rock A Jeff's mom From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of wutsername Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 8:41 AM EOHarm Subject: Re: Not walking for NAAR There is a special place in hell for every individual and institution that stuck their heads in the sand and intentionally allowed the epidemic of autism and other related damage to take place by injecting babies with mercury. Ricci > Thank you and . > > NAAR is just as culpable as the FDA & CDC for prolonging the autism > epidemic through their " thimerosal vaccines and the MMR have nothing > to do with autism " stance. This was their stance from the very > beginning and long before any research on the vaccine-autism > connection had even been considered. There is only one reason for > taking this stance. They were seeking federal funds and research > grants. > > Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 What's that saying? --The greates evil done in the world comes from people standing by and watching it happen... > > Thank you and . > > > > NAAR is just as culpable as the FDA & CDC for prolonging the autism > > epidemic through their " thimerosal vaccines and the MMR have nothing > > to do with autism " stance. This was their stance from the very > > beginning and long before any research on the vaccine-autism > > connection had even been considered. There is only one reason for > > taking this stance. They were seeking federal funds and research > > grants. > > > > Charlie > > > > > > _____ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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