RE: Re: Vaxed vs Unvaxed Autistics; autism hereditary?

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As far as a diagnosis, for a mildly affected child that needs resources, I often suggest going to a developmental pshycologist for a diagnosis; that keeps it off the medical records and removes any chance of pre-existing conditions later. You can use it for the school or state, but those records are sealed (except for abuse allegations).

And BTW for "my study" when I looked at the families, I only included ones with two or more kids -- the oldest one vaxed and the younger one un-vaxed (a had to settle on under vaxed). I include Rh shots as vaccinated.

I know that there are many unvaccinated children with ASD -- and we know that there are many sources of mercury and other toxins. As far as Lyme disease, ASD kids have weakened autoimmune systems -- so they are going to be more likely to be more susceptible to everything. Many symptoms of autism have been attributed to severe vitamin and mineral imbalances -- could these imbalnces be caused by other things -- like lyme disease -- I would say yes --- but I am sooooo far out of my league I am going to stop. After the introduction of US old vaccines (and the explosion of mercury belching power plants), China's autism rate went from virtually zero to over 2,000,000.

The school psychologist confided to me that the ASD epidemic was caused from too many nerds getting together and having babies -- and then politely added -- well, not you of course. For years, the "in crowd" in autism thought it was mothers who were good in math that was the contributing factor -- and pointed to the Silicon Valley in California which is home to the "tech boom" of the 1980s and 1990s. Now it turns out the Silicon Valley is on top of the one of the country's largest closed mercury mines.

Obviously, I am in the mercury camp. But I know that there are kids who do not neatly fit in that camp (including my son) that we may never understand. We thought all ASD kids had low glutathione -- my son does not (at least that is what the first round of tests said). He also made a 90% recovery without bio med -- and we will use bio-med to try to heal him the rest of the way. We had two huge surges -- the first after an ear-nose and throat specialist told us to take him off milk and the second was when our DAN put him on cod liver oil. But he is no way recovered -- he is socially awkward and still shouts out inappropriate phrases. Like everyone, we will do everything we can and pray for the best.

Best wishes

Verarobinsnd <Jill@...> wrote:

Hi Vera,My unvaxed only child likely has Asperger's, though I have not received, nor do I plan to, a diagnosis. He just turned 3. I ate no fish while pregnant, or for 2 years prior. My amalgams were removed 18 years ago. I have not had a vaccination for 30 years.It has been a mystery to me, how to proceed with his detox/healing. We are doing the DAN thing, slowly...about to start chelation, but still wondering if that is the issue. We are even considering seeing a metabolic geneticist at Stanford in August, to hopefully rule out the genetic issue.I just found out that I tested highly positive for lyme disease from two separate labs. One test suggests that I have had lyme for at least a year, possibly longterm. I only recently got the classic symptoms, which is what led to my Alternative

MD's office. There is the possibility that my son has congenital lyme. He however tested negative for lyme. I have been told that with congenital lyme, unless the child is given antibiotics first, they will often test negative...that the antibiotics work to provoke/activate the lyme.DAN dr. Stepahanie Cave has told Dr. J. McCandless that she is finding lyme in the majority of her ASD patients, that it is an epidemic. There is another list, lyme-autism, and the majority of those list-ers believe that it is the lyme that is the underlying cause of much of the autism. Lyme supposedly impedes the body's ability to detoxify metals, etc. Enter the vaxes on an already compromised system, etc.I'm not sure if Lyme, which has supposedly been around for millenia, can cause an epidemic (that was my recent question to the list), but perhaps it is a cofactor in the development of some of the

cases of autism.Anyway, I don't know how the hell to proceed with my high functioning, but quirky son. His tests look like a lot of the ASD population. CDSA shows gut dysbiosis; there are many food sensitivities, red cheeks with certain foods, some stims, a lot of meltdowns and obsessions, advanced language with Asperger's qualities, repetitive behaviors blah blah. I don't exactly want to give him abx, but what if that would help cure him? On this lyme-autism list, I have "met" 2 moms whose sons were cured of Asperger's through abx.So, FWIW, another theory...and one that is showing up increasingly on all the lists I'm lurking around on.Whatever,JillPS Hi to DK if you're reading this!!! You are the pips! I sent a copy of EOH to Oprah! > Does anyone know if there have been any studies done comparing the>

two? I'm wondering if unvaxed autistics have fewer health issues.> > > > > --------------------------------->

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I have a question to which this mail may have the answer .. my son is 5 times better/cognitive when on antibiotics - I have spoken to GP an Specialists but they all give me that irritating smile like I'm an idiot - is it possible that the antibiotics in my (vax damaged) son are causing a mild chelation?

Simon(Rians Dad)

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of robinsndSent: 12 June 2005 05:13EOHarm Subject: Re: Vaxed vs Unvaxed Autistics; autism hereditary?

Hi Vera,My unvaxed only child likely has Asperger's, though I have not received, nor do I plan to, a diagnosis. He just turned 3. I ate no fish while pregnant, or for 2 years prior. My amalgams were removed 18 years ago. I have not had a vaccination for 30 years.It has been a mystery to me, how to proceed with his detox/healing. We are doing the DAN thing, slowly...about to start chelation, but still wondering if that is the issue. We are even considering seeing a metabolic geneticist at Stanford in August, to hopefully rule out the genetic issue.I just found out that I tested highly positive for lyme disease from two separate labs. One test suggests that I have had lyme for at least a year, possibly longterm. I only recently got the classic symptoms, which is what led to my Alternative MD's office. There is the possibility that my son has congenital lyme. He however tested negative for lyme. I have been told that with congenital lyme, unless the child is given antibiotics first, they will often test negative...that the antibiotics work to provoke/activate the lyme.DAN dr. Stepahanie Cave has told Dr. J. McCandless that she is finding lyme in the majority of her ASD patients, that it is an epidemic. There is another list, lyme-autism, and the majority of those list-ers believe that it is the lyme that is the underlying cause of much of the autism. Lyme supposedly impedes the body's ability to detoxify metals, etc. Enter the vaxes on an already compromised system, etc.I'm not sure if Lyme, which has supposedly been around for millenia, can cause an epidemic (that was my recent question to the list), but perhaps it is a cofactor in the development of some of the cases of autism.Anyway, I don't know how the hell to proceed with my high functioning, but quirky son. His tests look like a lot of the ASD population. CDSA shows gut dysbiosis; there are many food sensitivities, red cheeks with certain foods, some stims, a lot of meltdowns and obsessions, advanced language with Asperger's qualities, repetitive behaviors blah blah. I don't exactly want to give him abx, but what if that would help cure him? On this lyme-autism list, I have "met" 2 moms whose sons were cured of Asperger's through abx.So, FWIW, another theory...and one that is showing up increasingly on all the lists I'm lurking around on.Whatever,JillPS Hi to DK if you're reading this!!! You are the pips! I sent a copy of EOH to Oprah! > Does anyone know if there have been any studies done comparing the> two? I'm wondering if unvaxed autistics have fewer health issues.> > > > > --------------------------------->

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Jill-

what is abx?

Cathie

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Simon,

Many parents have noted the same thing. I believe the thinking is that the antibiotics are killing strep or clostridia or some other bacteria which your child's immune system may not be able to handle on his own with a high metal load. Unfortunately usually after removing the antibiotics many parents note problems again, possibly due to yeast overgrowth following the antibiotic. Vicious cycle.

Michele"Simon Power (sipower)" <sipower@...> wrote:

I have a question to which this mail may have the answer .. my son is 5 times better/cognitive when on antibiotics - I have spoken to GP an Specialists but they all give me that irritating smile like I'm an idiot - is it possible that the antibiotics in my (vax damaged) son are causing a mild chelation?

Simon(Rians Dad)

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of robinsndSent: 12 June 2005 05:13EOHarm Subject: Re: Vaxed vs Unvaxed Autistics; autism hereditary?

Hi Vera,My unvaxed only child likely has Asperger's, though I have not received, nor do I plan to, a diagnosis. He just turned 3. I ate no fish while pregnant, or for 2 years prior. My amalgams were removed 18 years ago. I have not had a vaccination for 30 years.It has been a mystery to me, how to proceed with his detox/healing. We are doing the DAN thing, slowly...about to start chelation, but still wondering if that is the issue. We are even considering seeing a metabolic geneticist at Stanford in August, to hopefully rule out the genetic issue.I just found out that I tested highly positive for lyme disease from two separate labs. One test suggests that I have had lyme for at least a year, possibly longterm. I only recently got the classic symptoms, which is what led to my Alternative MD's office. There is the possibility that my son has congenital lyme. He

however tested negative for lyme. I have been told that with congenital lyme, unless the child is given antibiotics first, they will often test negative...that the antibiotics work to provoke/activate the lyme.DAN dr. Stepahanie Cave has told Dr. J. McCandless that she is finding lyme in the majority of her ASD patients, that it is an epidemic. There is another list, lyme-autism, and the majority of those list-ers believe that it is the lyme that is the underlying cause of much of the autism. Lyme supposedly impedes the body's ability to detoxify metals, etc. Enter the vaxes on an already compromised system, etc.I'm not sure if Lyme, which has supposedly been around for millenia, can cause an epidemic (that was my recent question to the list), but perhaps it is a cofactor in the development of some of the cases of autism.Anyway, I don't know how the hell to proceed with my high functioning,

but quirky son. His tests look like a lot of the ASD population. CDSA shows gut dysbiosis; there are many food sensitivities, red cheeks with certain foods, some stims, a lot of meltdowns and obsessions, advanced language with Asperger's qualities, repetitive behaviors blah blah. I don't exactly want to give him abx, but what if that would help cure him? On this lyme-autism list, I have "met" 2 moms whose sons were cured of Asperger's through abx.So, FWIW, another theory...and one that is showing up increasingly on all the lists I'm lurking around on.Whatever,JillPS Hi to DK if you're reading this!!! You are the pips! I sent a copy of EOH to Oprah! > Does anyone know if there have been any studies done comparing the> two? I'm wondering if unvaxed autistics have fewer health issues.> > >

> > --------------------------------->

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The "nerd theory" reminds me of what "Dr." Simon Baron-Cohen came up with. I remember reading that part in EOH while waitng for my NT daughter to complete her Kdg. screening. I was hysterical laughing! Who could really take that seriously? Our children are autistic because of the airplane! Maybe when my son (71/2) wants to go on Spring Break in college, I'll arrange an ASD Spring Break trip to Brazil! Maybe MTV will cover it! LOL

Cathie

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According to Dr. Boyd Haley, certain antibiotics would intensify the damaging or toxic effects of mercury. See paragraph 9, at the link below. This is a presentation Dr. Haley made regarding mercury in dental amalgams before the House Government Reform Committee in 2002. Aasa

http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/burtonhaley.htm"Simon Power (sipower)" <sipower@...> wrote:

I have a question to which this mail may have the answer .. my son is 5 times better/cognitive when on antibiotics - I have spoken to GP an Specialists but they all give me that irritating smile like I'm an idiot - is it possible that the antibiotics in my (vax damaged) son are causing a mild chelation?

Simon(Rians Dad)

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of robinsndSent: 12 June 2005 05:13EOHarm Subject: Re: Vaxed vs Unvaxed Autistics; autism hereditary?

Hi Vera,My unvaxed only child likely has Asperger's, though I have not received, nor do I plan to, a diagnosis. He just turned 3. I ate no fish while pregnant, or for 2 years prior. My amalgams were removed 18 years ago. I have not had a vaccination for 30 years.It has been a mystery to me, how to proceed with his detox/healing. We are doing the DAN thing, slowly...about to start chelation, but still wondering if that is the issue. We are even considering seeing a metabolic geneticist at Stanford in August, to hopefully rule out the genetic issue.I just found out that I tested highly positive for lyme disease from two separate labs. One test suggests that I have had lyme for at least a year, possibly longterm. I only recently got the classic symptoms, which is what led to my Alternative MD's office. There is the possibility that my son has congenital lyme. He

however tested negative for lyme. I have been told that with congenital lyme, unless the child is given antibiotics first, they will often test negative...that the antibiotics work to provoke/activate the lyme.DAN dr. Stepahanie Cave has told Dr. J. McCandless that she is finding lyme in the majority of her ASD patients, that it is an epidemic. There is another list, lyme-autism, and the majority of those list-ers believe that it is the lyme that is the underlying cause of much of the autism. Lyme supposedly impedes the body's ability to detoxify metals, etc. Enter the vaxes on an already compromised system, etc.I'm not sure if Lyme, which has supposedly been around for millenia, can cause an epidemic (that was my recent question to the list), but perhaps it is a cofactor in the development of some of the cases of autism.Anyway, I don't know how the hell to proceed with my high functioning,

but quirky son. His tests look like a lot of the ASD population. CDSA shows gut dysbiosis; there are many food sensitivities, red cheeks with certain foods, some stims, a lot of meltdowns and obsessions, advanced language with Asperger's qualities, repetitive behaviors blah blah. I don't exactly want to give him abx, but what if that would help cure him? On this lyme-autism list, I have "met" 2 moms whose sons were cured of Asperger's through abx.So, FWIW, another theory...and one that is showing up increasingly on all the lists I'm lurking around on.Whatever,JillPS Hi to DK if you're reading this!!! You are the pips! I sent a copy of EOH to Oprah! > Does anyone know if there have been any studies done comparing the> two? I'm wondering if unvaxed autistics have fewer health issues.> > >

> > --------------------------------->

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Wait - I have a cold feeling in my stomach here ... this is the para

"Studies on the toxicity of mercury to mammalian neurons in culture demonstrate that low nanomolar levels can have lethal effects. Experiments using this system have also demonstrated, ....., that many antibiotics, ... increase the toxicity of mercury and thimerosal (ethyl mercury).

And my son had a reaction within 24 hours of hib, men c .. was hospitalised and received intravenous antibiotics? Which agitated the thimerosal?

F* & & .... now I really want to hit something.

Simon

Rians Dad

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of AasaSent: 12 June 2005 16:44EOHarm Subject: RE: Re: Vaxed vs Unvaxed Autistics; autism hereditary?

According to Dr. Boyd Haley, certain antibiotics would intensify the damaging or toxic effects of mercury. See paragraph 9, at the link below. This is a presentation Dr. Haley made regarding mercury in dental amalgams before the House Government Reform Committee in 2002. Aasa

http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/burtonhaley.htm"Simon Power (sipower)" <sipower@...> wrote:

I have a question to which this mail may have the answer .. my son is 5 times better/cognitive when on antibiotics - I have spoken to GP an Specialists but they all give me that irritating smile like I'm an idiot - is it possible that the antibiotics in my (vax damaged) son are causing a mild chelation?

Simon(Rians Dad)

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of robinsndSent: 12 June 2005 05:13EOHarm Subject: Re: Vaxed vs Unvaxed Autistics; autism hereditary?

Hi Vera,My unvaxed only child likely has Asperger's, though I have not received, nor do I plan to, a diagnosis. He just turned 3. I ate no fish while pregnant, or for 2 years prior. My amalgams were removed 18 years ago. I have not had a vaccination for 30 years.It has been a mystery to me, how to proceed with his detox/healing. We are doing the DAN thing, slowly...about to start chelation, but still wondering if that is the issue. We are even considering seeing a metabolic geneticist at Stanford in August, to hopefully rule out the genetic issue.I just found out that I tested highly positive for lyme disease from two separate labs. One test suggests that I have had lyme for at least a year, possibly longterm. I only recently got the classic symptoms, which is what led to my Alternative MD's office. There is the possibility that my son has congenital lyme. He however tested negative for lyme. I have been told that with congenital lyme, unless the child is given antibiotics first, they will often test negative...that the antibiotics work to provoke/activate the lyme.DAN dr. Stepahanie Cave has told Dr. J. McCandless that she is finding lyme in the majority of her ASD patients, that it is an epidemic. There is another list, lyme-autism, and the majority of those list-ers believe that it is the lyme that is the underlying cause of much of the autism. Lyme supposedly impedes the body's ability to detoxify metals, etc. Enter the vaxes on an already compromised system, etc.I'm not sure if Lyme, which has supposedly been around for millenia, can cause an epidemic (that was my recent question to the list), but perhaps it is a cofactor in the development of some of the cases of autism.Anyway, I don't know how the hell to proceed with my high functioning, but quirky son. His tests look like a lot of the ASD population. CDSA shows gut dysbiosis; there are many food sensitivities, red cheeks with certain foods, some stims, a lot of meltdowns and obsessions, advanced language with Asperger's qualities, repetitive behaviors blah blah. I don't exactly want to give him abx, but what if that would help cure him? On this lyme-autism list, I have "met" 2 moms whose sons were cured of Asperger's through abx.So, FWIW, another theory...and one that is showing up increasingly on all the lists I'm lurking around on.Whatever,JillPS Hi to DK if you're reading this!!! You are the pips! I sent a copy of EOH to Oprah! > Does anyone know if there have been any studies done comparing the> two? I'm wondering if unvaxed autistics have fewer health issues.> > > > > --------------------------------->

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Wait - wait - so they gave him a known accelerant to thimerosal after a jab reaction? Whatever about mercury poisoning they KNEW mercury was in the shots (safe dose accoring to them) but when he reacted they give him a f* & king ACCELERANT? I cant believe it ...

I feel sick ...

From: Simon Power (sipower) Sent: 12 June 2005 18:34'EOHarm 'Subject: RE: Re: Vaxed vs Unvaxed Autistics; autism hereditary?

Wait - I have a cold feeling in my stomach here ... this is the para

"Studies on the toxicity of mercury to mammalian neurons in culture demonstrate that low nanomolar levels can have lethal effects. Experiments using this system have also demonstrated, ....., that many antibiotics, ... increase the toxicity of mercury and thimerosal (ethyl mercury).

And my son had a reaction within 24 hours of hib, men c .. was hospitalised and received intravenous antibiotics? Which agitated the thimerosal?

F* & & .... now I really want to hit something.

Simon

Rians Dad

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of AasaSent: 12 June 2005 16:44EOHarm Subject: RE: Re: Vaxed vs Unvaxed Autistics; autism hereditary?

According to Dr. Boyd Haley, certain antibiotics would intensify the damaging or toxic effects of mercury. See paragraph 9, at the link below. This is a presentation Dr. Haley made regarding mercury in dental amalgams before the House Government Reform Committee in 2002. Aasa

http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/burtonhaley.htm"Simon Power (sipower)" <sipower@...> wrote:

I have a question to which this mail may have the answer .. my son is 5 times better/cognitive when on antibiotics - I have spoken to GP an Specialists but they all give me that irritating smile like I'm an idiot - is it possible that the antibiotics in my (vax damaged) son are causing a mild chelation?

Simon(Rians Dad)

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of robinsndSent: 12 June 2005 05:13EOHarm Subject: Re: Vaxed vs Unvaxed Autistics; autism hereditary?

Hi Vera,My unvaxed only child likely has Asperger's, though I have not received, nor do I plan to, a diagnosis. He just turned 3. I ate no fish while pregnant, or for 2 years prior. My amalgams were removed 18 years ago. I have not had a vaccination for 30 years.It has been a mystery to me, how to proceed with his detox/healing. We are doing the DAN thing, slowly...about to start chelation, but still wondering if that is the issue. We are even considering seeing a metabolic geneticist at Stanford in August, to hopefully rule out the genetic issue.I just found out that I tested highly positive for lyme disease from two separate labs. One test suggests that I have had lyme for at least a year, possibly longterm. I only recently got the classic symptoms, which is what led to my Alternative MD's office. There is the possibility that my son has congenital lyme. He however tested negative for lyme. I have been told that with congenital lyme, unless the child is given antibiotics first, they will often test negative...that the antibiotics work to provoke/activate the lyme.DAN dr. Stepahanie Cave has told Dr. J. McCandless that she is finding lyme in the majority of her ASD patients, that it is an epidemic. There is another list, lyme-autism, and the majority of those list-ers believe that it is the lyme that is the underlying cause of much of the autism. Lyme supposedly impedes the body's ability to detoxify metals, etc. Enter the vaxes on an already compromised system, etc.I'm not sure if Lyme, which has supposedly been around for millenia, can cause an epidemic (that was my recent question to the list), but perhaps it is a cofactor in the development of some of the cases of autism.Anyway, I don't know how the hell to proceed with my high functioning, but quirky son. His tests look like a lot of the ASD population. CDSA shows gut dysbiosis; there are many food sensitivities, red cheeks with certain foods, some stims, a lot of meltdowns and obsessions, advanced language with Asperger's qualities, repetitive behaviors blah blah. I don't exactly want to give him abx, but what if that would help cure him? On this lyme-autism list, I have "met" 2 moms whose sons were cured of Asperger's through abx.So, FWIW, another theory...and one that is showing up increasingly on all the lists I'm lurking around on.Whatever,JillPS Hi to DK if you're reading this!!! You are the pips! I sent a copy of EOH to Oprah! > Does anyone know if there have been any studies done comparing the> two? I'm wondering if unvaxed autistics have fewer health issues.> > > > > --------------------------------->

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Someone just sent me these two links. The first is quotes from Simpsonwood the second is the actual minutes.

Jaw on floor.

http://www.nationalautismassociation.org/library/IOM%20Simpsonwood%20in%20bold.pdf

(please read page 6 Dr. comment scarrrrry.)

http://www.nationalautismassociation.org/pdf/simpsonwood.pdf (200 plus pages)

Oddly enough the Simpsonwood retreat center is where many churches have retreats here, if they only knew it was the secret meeting place for the CDC's diabolical cover-up to damage children I'm sure they would be aghast.

pphawkins@... wrote:

Laurie, we didn't discover and start until age 19! I believe there is always hope! Keep up the good fight.

patti

On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 18:18:41 -0000 "nevergiveup883" <ynot2@...> writes:

Sorry Simon, my post was a little depressing :(Just want to let you know that my son is doing much better. We didn't discover and start biomed until he was 14yo. He's 17yo now and has come so far!!You're starting earlier, your son will improve a lot!!!Laurie> > > Does anyone know if there have been any studies done comparing> > the> > > two? I'm wondering if unvaxed autistics have fewer health> > issues.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > >