Guest guest Posted March 15, 2002 Report Share Posted March 15, 2002 Continuing with our discussion about the use and ability of steroids as a performance enhancer it seems that you have missed a point or two about what I said. A little flashback to our earlier discussion. I wrote earlier: <Secondly steroids isn't the magic bullet everyone believes them to be. Yes they can play a part in helping one reach the top but only a part. Genetics, neurogenic strength (basically the Power of the Mind), training system, diet, injury prevention, all need to be in order for steroids to work. I live in India the land where everything is expensive thanks to a high cost of living except Drugs. I can go to any pharmacy and purchase Stanazolol for Rupees 16 (approx 25 cents) without any medical prescription. Recombinant hGH? No problem! But I haven't done so simply because I recognize that my steroids is the very last aspect any lifter needs to bother about. Firstly one has to have 3 years of lifting experience under ones belt and a very sound training and diet in order for steroids to work. I have seen many lifters who have taken massive amounts of steroids and unfortunately the mythical gains steroids supposedly bestow have eluded them. Yet some experienced lifters know the uses and risks of steroids have employed their use in a very judicious manner and are now at the top level in Powerlifting.> To which Dr Siff said: <<Nobody has ever claimed that the inexpert use of large amounts of any drugs is automatically going to create a champion. Indeed, one also needs certain physical and mental attributes, plus a good knowledge of how to supplement efficiently and safely with drugs.>> **** Looks to me that you have agreed with me 100%. The whole point of my article was that: 1. Steroids work but in the right environment (genetics diet training, injury prevention taken care of). 2. Athletes at all levels have used them as a method of making gains. 3. All countries have athletes who use them but Americans are very naïve and still believe that their athletes are clean scrubbed heroes who reached where they are with just handwork and food. The whole point they miss is that America is the champion doper and if the Eastern Bloc countries have comprehensively been champions in the Iron Game for the past 40 years its not because they have cheated while the Americans played fair. To cut back to our earlier discussion: I wrote: <India has an uncontrolled drug market and yet not a Single Olympic Gold in any individual event. . With the amounts of drugs some Indian athletes consume some one should have lifted over 500 kilos in the Superheavy category by now. India lacks the facilities that athletes in the West have. Be it top professional doctors and trainers, video to analyse technique sponsors to take care of an expensive diet and also ensure that a lifter doesn't have to work 10 hours a day to make ends meet and can put in every minute into training eating and recovering. It's obvious that steroids aren't the only piece in the puzzle.> Dr Siff: <<Your remark also suggests that, despite its huge population of some 4 times that of the former USSR and over 90 times larger than that of Bulgaria or Eastern Germany, India has not yet found a single athlete with natural genetics to be able to achieve Olympic greatness, with or without drugs. This surely must tell you something about the entire training, talent identification and sporting development process in your country. Something must really be gravely amiss if this is what is to be inferred from your remarks.>> ****I firmly believe that India has the potential to be the World's greatest weightlifting country. We have some incredible talent who put in all the hand work that is needed. What they lack is a good nutritional setup, sponsors to back them (food and supplements cost a packet) and ensure that they can forget about working to make a living and concentrate on the sport. We haven't had many coaches who train athletes like their life depends on it. Overtraining is an epidemic here. Most athletes here think that the only reason they are not progressing is because they only squat 3 times a week with massive volume and high intensity. They feel they need 4-5 times weekly squat sessions. If any of you ever come to Bombay please visit the gym I train in. The address is Bandra Physical Culture Association Opposite Bandra Talao, Bandra West, Mumbai 400 054 When you are here you will be amazed when you see the kind of diets that the top state level lifters have and manage to do the things they do. Its quite amazing how these guys train 5 times a week for 3 hours each session and manage to draw sustenance from less than 100 grams of protein a day. The intensity they employ is frighteningly high and food is lacking. Consider this statistic. A dozen chicken eggs cost Rupees. 20 in India. The mean salary of these lifters is 4000-6000 Rupees a month. 1 Dozen eggs is between 1/200th to 1/300th of their monthly salary. I am guessing that a dozen eggs cost about 2 dollars in the US. And an average American makes $2000-3000 a month. Isn't that 1/1000th to 1/1500th of his salary? No wonder our lifters buy eggs as a supplement! I personally know the Number 1 ranked female 100 metres athlete in India and her personal diet and training isn't given the kind of state backing that top athletes had in the Eastern Bloc and definitely she doesn't have the backing that say a had n while she was just a National Champ in the US. I also know a top 5 ranked cyclist and we ate together a few days ago and the kind of food that we ate wouldn't be touched by a 12 foot barge pole by an cyclist from the US or other top ranked nations. And when you see that his training is all trial and error based and without an iota of scientific backing by a sports doctor, top cycling coaches or nutritionists it's a miracle that he is putting in times that would shame your cyclists in the West with immense money power. The State Record holder in weightlifting manges to eat eggs only 2 times a week cause they are cant be afforded as he has 2 younger brothers to educate. Give them a fraction of the funding any Bulgarian or Greek lifter gets and the Dimases and Chemerkins of the World will be from India. Just too bad our blind government doesn't see the potential we have and the people think sports is just a secondary passing hobby. [some of us would love to help our Indian colleagues to achieve their great potential - what a pity we all live so far apart! Anyway, our Supertraining list may be a start and personal contact between some of us may well follow in the future. Arjun, your obvious passion in this regard may well serve as a valuable catalyst in this process. Mel Siff] Regards, Arjun Kalbag Mumbai India Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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