Re: Ammonyx cetac Jane

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Jane,

Ammonyx Cetac = Surfactant with generic name = Cetrimonium Chloride

All I found was the above. but...pamingle@... on

TFOcrafters

said the below...and you may be able to gleen some info from it...

Laurie H. From MN

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E-wax is short for emulsifying wax, and is known in the trade as " self

emulsifiers " . Many manufacturers of this type of product have monagraphed

it under

the INCI name as Emulsifying Wax NF (National Formulary), which is what may

be used in your ingredient declaration. Many use a proprietarial blend of

emulsifying agents, with varying ingredients that combined according to

their HLB

(water/lipid balance). For example Glyceryl Stearate, with a low HLB (below

5), may be blended with PEG 100 Stearate, which has a high HLB (above 13)

to

produce a balance. Although the ingredient may be labeled correctly under

INCI

declaration as simply " Emulsifying Wax NF " , and are collectively known as

e-wax, they are not necessarily made from the same ingredients. For

example,

Polawax, the trade name of one " self emulsifier/ewax, is manufactured by

Croda,

and is widely available. Please keep in mind that not all products sold as

" ewax " are the same, and will produce varying results.

Then again, many are simply labeled by what ingredients are used to make

them. Many of the leading cosmetic manufacturers will combine two or more

individual raw ingredients (surfactants, fatty alcohols, esters, ethers,

etc.) to

produce their own emulsfying system. Most home crafters are using vegetable

based

oils, rather than mineral oil, which generally have a required HLB about 7.

I would recommend that one just getting started in making lotions start with

a self emulsifier, such as Polawax (available from and others),

and avoid using proteins or extracts that might introduce bacterial, etc.

Further, LiquaPar PE is an excellent preservative, and may be used in a

variety of

products, including anhydrous (water free) as well as lotions and cremes.

(Judy at To Die For Soap supplies this). I generally make a 1/2 to 1

gallon

batch of lotion, but scent it as I bottle. For a 8 oz bottle (about 225 g),

I

generally use 1% FO for lotion, which is about 1/2 teaspoon or 2 to 3 ml

(about

what one of the 3 ml pipettes will hold.

Another approach for the beginner, would be to use a liquid polymer

(available from The Buying Group), which allows you to adjust the vicosity

quite easily

by adding more polymer to thicken it at the end. The downside, though, is

that it does contain some mineral oil, which you may not want to incorporate

into

your products. It is so easy to use, and feels wonderful. Fanning Corp

(FANCOR) manufactures one that does not have mineral oil.

Sorry to be so longwinded, but happy to chat lotion stuff anytime!

Pam

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From: <nameismj@...>

Ammonyx cetac

> I have a bottle of ammonyx cetac I purchased but I can't remember

> what the heck it is! I've asked around and have gotten lots of

> different answers - that it is a wetting and anti-static agent for

> hair conditioners, that it's an emulsifier, and that it's a " co-

> emulsifier. "

>

> What is a " co-emulsifier " anyway? If it is an emulsifier, what is

> its required HLB?

>

> Hope someone can give me some info on this stuff!

>

> Happy New Year everyone ~

>

> Jane

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