Re: Beginners and supplements...(What Bill Reccomends)

[Guest guest]

OMG!! I just read this on the BFL Guestbook yesterday:

This is what was said:

On the topic of fat burners...I know many here take them and many

ask about them. I wanted to share what I read in a Bill

article today when two different people asked him about them:

: Here's the quick run-through on supplements that I would

recommend to someone who is trying to gain muscle while losing fat:

Creatine: Yes CLA: Yes ZMA: No Fat burners: No Antioxidants: Get

them from food Pyruvat: Are you kidding?

Member question: Why no to fat burners? My boyfriend is addicted to

them and he doesn't listen to me, perhaps if you mentioned it he'd

believe me. I worry.

: I certainly have not seen the thousands of people who

successfully transformed with Body for Life giving credit (honestly)

to any particular fat burner. Your body burns fat just fine on its

own. It's usually the mind that hangs on to it. And when you change

your mind, focus on what you want to look like, what you want to

feel like, and you allow exercise and proper nutrition you to get

there, you will succeed

http://www.bodyforlife.com/community/msg_read.asp

>

> I don't recommend anything manufactured to boost fat loss.

Consistent

> clean BFL will boost fat loss faster than anything on the market.

> Regarding muscle building, as long as you are taking in adequate

> protein--at least 1 gram per pound of lean bodyweight--you are

doing

> your best for that purpose. An added benefit of the protein is

that

> your metabolism kicks into gear just digesting it. This is the

thermic

> effect, and protein causes it more than any other food. There

aren't

> any other " magic bullets " out there. Shakes and flaxseed oil are

all I

> would recommend, and also creatine if you wish.

>

> Stasia

>

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Putting some thought to that I would actually have to agree. 80% of

my fat loss is from changing my diet. 25% from training. The other

5% would be the thermos. Different for muscle gain and changing my

body shape, but for fat loss this would be true.

And no I'm not recommending that you can achieve the same results

just doing the nutrition and NOT the training. It's a synergistic

combination. Can't have one without the other.

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> >

> > I don't recommend anything manufactured to boost fat loss.

> Consistent

> > clean BFL will boost fat loss faster than anything on the

market.

> > Regarding muscle building, as long as you are taking in adequate

> > protein--at least 1 gram per pound of lean bodyweight--you are

> doing

> > your best for that purpose. An added benefit of the protein is

> that

> > your metabolism kicks into gear just digesting it. This is the

> thermic

> > effect, and protein causes it more than any other food. There

> aren't

> > any other " magic bullets " out there. Shakes and flaxseed oil are

> all I

> > would recommend, and also creatine if you wish.

> >

> > Stasia

> >

>

[Guest guest]

oh what to do. he likes creatine while you are still losing fat. I hate

to see the scale go up. I'm at 20% fat. Should I try the creatine? I

have betagen in the cupboard and haven't opened it. I Would love to see

some strength gains. Maybe I could do a real pullup.

Diane

At 10:10 AM 2/23/2006, you wrote:

>Putting some thought to that I would actually have to agree. 80% of

>my fat loss is from changing my diet. 25% from training. The other

>5% would be the thermos. Different for muscle gain and changing my

>body shape, but for fat loss this would be true.

>

>And no I'm not recommending that you can achieve the same results

>just doing the nutrition and NOT the training. It's a synergistic

>combination. Can't have one without the other.

>

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Diane, I don¹t know if this is coincident or what but my scale has finally

gone down since I started using creatine! Go figure. I¹m at 29.5% bf from

31%. I thought for sure the scale would go up, but go figure the scale

fairies were on my side this week - I was beginning to wonder if they really

existed Seriously, I¹m sure it wasn¹t a direct result of the creatine,

but from the hard workouts and good eating I¹ve been doing for the past

month and a half. You can always give it a try and stop it if you aren't

getting the results you want. I can feel some improvement in strength which

can only help me reach my goal, and again my workouts are mostly getting

better because I'm doing them regularly.

One of my goals is also to do a pull up. I never passed the President's

Physical Fitness test because of that stupid pull up! I'm going to do it at

45!

My 2 cents,

Laurie - San Diego

[Guest guest]

the best thing i did was go on betagen. i love it! made a real impact on my

workouts. i can lift so much heavier. i feel like wonderwoman!

[Guest guest]

Thanks! I'm 45 too. Well in 2 months. I have started my pull up work

with a reverse pull up.. not the same of course. I do assisted pullups too

but haven't progressed in weeks. I'm thinking creatine might knock me over

that hump.

I need to stay off the scale LOL.

Diane

At 11:08 AM 2/23/2006, you wrote:

>Diane, I don¹t know if this is coincident or what but my scale has finally

>gone down since I started using creatine! Go figure. I¹m at 29.5% bf from

>31%. I thought for sure the scale would go up, but go figure the scale

>fairies were on my side this week - I was beginning to wonder if they really

>existed Seriously, I¹m sure it wasn¹t a direct result of the creatine,

>but from the hard workouts and good eating I¹ve been doing for the past

>month and a half. You can always give it a try and stop it if you aren't

>getting the results you want. I can feel some improvement in strength which

>can only help me reach my goal, and again my workouts are mostly getting

>better because I'm doing them regularly.

>

>One of my goals is also to do a pull up. I never passed the President's

>Physical Fitness test because of that stupid pull up! I'm going to do it at

>45!

>

>My 2 cents,

>

>Laurie - San Diego

>

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[Guest guest]

In my second challenge last year, I introduced creatine. All I can say is it

made a world of difference in getting me over the hump. Must of been that I

could lift heavier and put on muscle. A good idea is just to throw your scale

away before you go one then you'll never know about any added pounds. It's

really just about getting over the mind thing since the pounds are not fat

Re: Re: Beginners and supplements...(What

Bill Reccomends)

oh what to do. he likes creatine while you are still losing fat. I hate

to see the scale go up. I'm at 20% fat. Should I try the creatine? I

have betagen in the cupboard and haven't opened it. I Would love to see

some strength gains. Maybe I could do a real pullup.

Diane

At 10:10 AM 2/23/2006, you wrote:

>Putting some thought to that I would actually have to agree. 80% of

>my fat loss is from changing my diet. 25% from training. The other

>5% would be the thermos. Different for muscle gain and changing my

>body shape, but for fat loss this would be true.

>

>And no I'm not recommending that you can achieve the same results

>just doing the nutrition and NOT the training. It's a synergistic

>combination. Can't have one without the other.

>

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But did you all get really bloaty and yuck feeling and your pants

were too tight(heh, in technical terms)?

That is what I am really worried about.

BUT, if it helps you lose fat... that's a major plus.

>

> >Putting some thought to that I would actually have to agree. 80%

of

> >my fat loss is from changing my diet. 25% from training. The other

> >5% would be the thermos. Different for muscle gain and changing my

> >body shape, but for fat loss this would be true.

> >

> >And no I'm not recommending that you can achieve the same results

> >just doing the nutrition and NOT the training. It's a synergistic

> >combination. Can't have one without the other.

> >

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Alright thanks!, I'm going to crack open the Betagen. Thanks guys! I hope

to be able to do a full pull up or 2 before this challenge is over. I'm in

week 4.

Diane

off to take the batteries out of the scale.

At 11:49 AM 2/23/2006, you wrote:

>In my second challenge last year, I introduced creatine. All I can say is

>it made a world of difference in getting me over the hump. Must of been

>that I could lift heavier and put on muscle. A good idea is just to throw

>your scale away before you go one then you'll never know about any added

>pounds. It's really just about getting over the mind thing since the

>pounds are not fat

>

>

>

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>supplements...(What Bill Reccomends)

>

>

>oh what to do. he likes creatine while you are still losing fat. I hate

>to see the scale go up. I'm at 20% fat. Should I try the creatine? I

>have betagen in the cupboard and haven't opened it. I Would love to see

>some strength gains. Maybe I could do a real pullup.

>Diane

>

>

>

>At 10:10 AM 2/23/2006, you wrote:

>

> >Putting some thought to that I would actually have to agree. 80% of

> >my fat loss is from changing my diet. 25% from training. The other

> >5% would be the thermos. Different for muscle gain and changing my

> >body shape, but for fat loss this would be true.

> >

> >And no I'm not recommending that you can achieve the same results

> >just doing the nutrition and NOT the training. It's a synergistic

> >combination. Can't have one without the other.

> >

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I think you can take creatine if you think you are okay with not

seeing the scale go down. This might not happen in your case, but if

it does you have to understand that it's probably just water weight.

That being said, I took creatine the first 4 weeks of my challenge

but then I started freaking out about not loosing any scale weight.

I read alot about creatine before taking it so I thought I was

mentally prepared for not seeing the scale moved. But I wasn't. So I

went off it for 2 weeks, and I decided to go back on it this week. I

no longer weighing myself everyday, and even if I was I think I'm

stronger now not to really let the scale number affect me.... But, I

guess we will see..hopefully, I'm not posting a 10 week freakout

post.

>

> >Diane, I don¹t know if this is coincident or what but my scale

has finally

> >gone down since I started using creatine! Go figure. I¹m at 29.5%

bf from

> >31%. I thought for sure the scale would go up, but go figure the

scale

> >fairies were on my side this week - I was beginning to wonder if

they really

> >existed Seriously, I¹m sure it wasn¹t a direct result of the

creatine,

> >but from the hard workouts and good eating I¹ve been doing for

the past

> >month and a half. You can always give it a try and stop it if you

aren't

> >getting the results you want. I can feel some improvement in

strength which

> >can only help me reach my goal, and again my workouts are mostly

getting

> >better because I'm doing them regularly.

> >

> >One of my goals is also to do a pull up. I never passed the

President's

> >Physical Fitness test because of that stupid pull up! I'm going

to do it at

> >45!

> >

> >My 2 cents,

> >

> >Laurie - San Diego

> >

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What is the president's challenge?

> >

> > >Putting some thought to that I would actually have to agree.

80% of

> > >my fat loss is from changing my diet. 25% from training. The

other

> > >5% would be the thermos. Different for muscle gain and changing

my

> > >body shape, but for fat loss this would be true.

> > >

> > >And no I'm not recommending that you can achieve the same

results

> > >just doing the nutrition and NOT the training. It's a

synergistic

> > >combination. Can't have one without the other.

> > >

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Nope, I didn't bloat (well maybe my stomach did, but it's already

big).

> >

> > >Putting some thought to that I would actually have to agree.

80%

> of

> > >my fat loss is from changing my diet. 25% from training. The

other

> > >5% would be the thermos. Different for muscle gain and changing

my

> > >body shape, but for fat loss this would be true.

> > >

> > >And no I'm not recommending that you can achieve the same

results

> > >just doing the nutrition and NOT the training. It's a

synergistic

> > >combination. Can't have one without the other.

> > >

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Not really. Did cramp a little at first, but my experience with it showed the

benifits far out weighed the side effects.

Re: Beginners and supplements...(What Bill

Reccomends)

But did you all get really bloaty and yuck feeling and your pants

were too tight(heh, in technical terms)?

That is what I am really worried about.

BUT, if it helps you lose fat... that's a major plus.

>

> >Putting some thought to that I would actually have to agree. 80%

of

> >my fat loss is from changing my diet. 25% from training. The other

> >5% would be the thermos. Different for muscle gain and changing my

> >body shape, but for fat loss this would be true.

> >

> >And no I'm not recommending that you can achieve the same results

> >just doing the nutrition and NOT the training. It's a synergistic

> >combination. Can't have one without the other.

> >

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So, in your opinion... for someone who is at the 5-10lb mark from

goal weight (and struggling to drop the last bit) that this may

really help with the shove?

SO funny that I am paranoid to have my jeans get tight from this

stuff!

> > >

> > > >Putting some thought to that I would actually have to agree.

> 80%

> > of

> > > >my fat loss is from changing my diet. 25% from training. The

> other

> > > >5% would be the thermos. Different for muscle gain and

changing

> my

> > > >body shape, but for fat loss this would be true.

> > > >

> > > >And no I'm not recommending that you can achieve the same

> results

> > > >just doing the nutrition and NOT the training. It's a

> synergistic

> > > >combination. Can't have one without the other.

> > > >

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When I was in grade school there was a program called the President¹s

Physical Fitness Test which had a bunch of activities such as below a timed

100 yard dash, pull ups (1 for girls), sit ups, a longer run, the broad

jump...a whole group of measured fitness activities . If you passed you got

a patch.

[Guest guest]

remember the bloat from creatine will be temporary, whereas the fat is not!

Re: Beginners and supplements...(What Bill

Reccomends)

So, in your opinion... for someone who is at the 5-10lb mark from

goal weight (and struggling to drop the last bit) that this may

really help with the shove?

SO funny that I am paranoid to have my jeans get tight from this

stuff!

> > >

> > > >Putting some thought to that I would actually have to agree.

> 80%

> > of

> > > >my fat loss is from changing my diet. 25% from training. The

> other

> > > >5% would be the thermos. Different for muscle gain and

changing

> my

> > > >body shape, but for fat loss this would be true.

> > > >

> > > >And no I'm not recommending that you can achieve the same

> results

> > > >just doing the nutrition and NOT the training. It's a

> synergistic

> > > >combination. Can't have one without the other.

> > > >

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