Guest guest Posted October 18, 2003 Report Share Posted October 18, 2003 I would try the good scents company. they have a website that has a really obvious name but i'm not exactly sure what it is. the owner there has set up data on A LOT of perfumery items and he is very knowledgeable. maybe it's goodscents.com . . . just put the whole name in your search engine and it will come up. you'll be on his site for hours! kim in pa amber/amber paste Hello Everyone. I hope all is well with everyone. I have an interesting question. Does anyone know where I can find info about amber/amber paste? I am trying to find out more about it and what can be done with it. TIA Clesha http://www.simplyclesha.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2003 Report Share Posted October 19, 2003 Hi Clesha: This is from: http://www.edenbotanicals.com/about_amber.html: About Amber, Amber Essence & Amber Resin Amber Essence is a rare, precious and highly sought after scent that is shrouded in mystery. No one really seems to know exactly what amber resin is. In order to help clear up the confusion surrounding amber essence, amber resin and amber oil, we offer this information. What is Amber? The term amber generally refers to either Baltic amber or to fragrant amber resin. Baltic amber is fossilized tree resin and is used primarily in jewelry. Although it is often called " Baltic " amber it actually is found in many parts of the world. It is found in colors ranging from pale yellow to reddish, brown and green. Although it is not thought of as being fragrant, it is! In order to experience its balsamic aroma, take a piece of pure amber (not reconstituted) and shave off small pieces with a knife. This will release a faint aroma. Next take some small pieces and place them on a lit piece of charcoal. The resin will burn and release the fragrant smoke. Be sure not to burn reconstituted amber, which contains plastic polymers or synthetic resins. The fragrant amber, such as Eden Botanicals' Amber Essence (Amber Essence is our trade name for our exclusive amber resin), is a semi-solid mass of tree resins or gums mixed with essential oils, bees wax and fragrant plant powders. Amber resin is not simply a resin that is tapped from a mysterious tree growing somewhere in the Himalayas! If it were there would be a pure amber essential oil or amber absolute. Amber resin is always a blend of different ingredients from many different sources. Every manufacturer of amber, or amber oil uses a different blend of ingredients, hence the consistency and aroma varies considerably. Each amber resin maker uses his or her own, unique and secret formula. The color of amber resin depends on the ingredients used to make it. Colors range from golden (called honey amber) to reddish, brown and near black. The consistency also varies from very soft to quite hard. Some ambers are waxier, while others contain more crystals. But perhaps it is the aroma that we are most interested in, and this varies greatly as well. There are sweet, flora ambers, and woody, musky ambers. There are also the animal ambers, meaning those which actually include animal scents or synthetic variants. At this point one may question, why is amber resin called amber. We believe it is because amber resins are attempting to imitate the scent of ambergris. Ambergris means gray (gris) amber. Ambergris is a gray, black or whitish colored substance that was originally collected from the surface of the ocean by fishermen or from pieces that have washed ashore. It is thought by many to be one of the most sensuous fragrances known, and has been used in perfumery for a long time. The ambergris comes from the sperm whale, which excretes the substance from its intestinal system. For the whale, it is a substance that helps to sooth the intestines after eating cuttlefish. Because ambergris has also been collected from sperm whales that have been intentionally killed, we do not use it in any of our products. Neither do we use synthetic ambergris. True ambergris is a very rare substance. Manufacturing Process for Amber Resin Amber resin is manufactured primarily in India, where it was created as an Ayurvedic formula for stress reduction. (Amber resins are also manufactured in the Middle East.) In India it is called amber dhoop and is sometimes burned in shrines or applied to the forehead for its calming and meditative qualities. As we mentioned, each amber maker uses a different (and highly guarded) formula and method of manufacture. For this reason we can not give you a recipe or an exact ingredient list. However, there are some basic ingredients that are commonly used. These include a resinous base of Styrax tree resin from the benzoin tree (Styrax benzion or Styrax tokinensis [which is the more fragrant and finer variety]). We have also come across several references to storax gum sometimes called sweetgum or Levant styrax being used in amber resin. It is a resin obtained from the liquidambar tree (Liquidambar orientalis), which is native to Asia Minor. It is an ancient incense substance which was used in the Middle East. However, after sampling two types of storax gum and storax essential oil, we feel that it is unlikely that this gum is used in amber resin. The samples that we have obtained all have a strong and unpleasant chemical aroma. It is probable that the styrax resin is refined prior to making the amber. We say this because amber is less sticky than raw styrax resin and contains a greater quantity of crystals. In addition to tree resin, bees wax is often added in the base to keep the resulting amber from crumbling. We have seen some ambers with few crystals and lots of wax, and visa versa. To the resin and wax base, the amber maker adds essential oils or fragrance oils or ambergris. The types of oils used will determine the final scent of the product. Fragrant plant powders such as sandalwood powder are also added to some ambers. The types of oils typically added include sandalwood and patchouli. Almost any other oils may be added to get the desired scent. A spicy amber may have cinnamon, cardamom or ginger added. A sweet flowery amber may have geranium, rose or a hint of ylang ylang added. Other oils that may be used in certain ambers include: vetiver (khus), spikenard (jatamansi), frankincense, myrrh, cedarwood, vanilla, ambrette musk, etc. I have also experimented with various mixtures of labdanum (cistus) and benzoin resins with small amounts of sandalwood, clary sage and balsam peru essential oils to replicate the paste, but the result (while similar in scent), is a sticky mess! :-Þ Cat > I hope all is well with everyone. I have an interesting question. > Does anyone know where I can find info about amber/amber paste? I > am trying to find out more about it and what can be done with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2003 Report Share Posted October 19, 2003 Hi all...I was given a small piece of Ambergris over 20 years ago. I keep it in a tiny leather pouch. Everytime I open it, the perfume is wonderful ! Still as strong as it ever was. Of course, I am hoping that it is a piece that was washed up on the beach and not stolen from the whale ! I wish we had smell-a-putor so all of you could smell just how wonderful it is..Hugs, . ----- Original Message ----- From: Cat>^-.-^< <catzilla@...> .. We believe it is because amber resins are attempting to imitate the scent of ambergris. Ambergris means gray (gris) amber. Ambergris is a gray, black or whitish colored substance that was originally collected from the surface of the ocean by fishermen or from pieces that have washed ashore. It is thought by many to be one of the most sensuous fragrances known, and has been used in perfumery for a long time. The ambergris comes from the sperm whale, which excretes the substance from its intestinal system. For the whale, it is a substance that helps to sooth the intestines after eating cuttlefish. Because ambergris has also been collected from sperm whales that have been intentionally killed, we do not use it in any of our products. Neither do we use synthetic ambergris. True ambergris is a very rare substance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2003 Report Share Posted October 20, 2003 Cat, I know I can't get Abergris anymore, but how about Civet? I've Googled and found some they say is Civet, but I have my doubts. Do you know of any place where you can purchase true Civet? Judy DIAMOND J FARM Log Cabin Rentals Great Smoky Mountains Waynesville, NC www.diamondjfarm.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2003 Report Share Posted October 20, 2003 Hi Judy: To be honest, no I don't. I had been on an elusive search for true musk and ambergris for some years now, but speaking with people who have access to the real thing in museums tell me of their tenacious and putrid odor (even after hundreds of years)! I had even toyed with the idea of using hunter's deer rut (highly diluted of course), but I can't get it past my nose (just the thought of trying to wash that stuff off my hands....)! :-Þ Musk and ambergris involve the slaughter of endangered species, which is why they are illegal in the United States. Harvesting civet does not involve killing, but in order for the animal to produce it (much like a skunk sprays in self-defense), it must be " agitated " (a nice word for tormented and tortured). This usually involves the animals being kept in cages small enough so it can't turn around while it is poked and prodded day after day. Commercial perfumers claim they haven't used the real thing for some time now. I have used a synthetic civet fragrance oil (the smell is " unique " , to put it nicely), but it definitely adds to delicate floral blends when used diluted in a base note. Sorry I couldn't be more of a help... Cat > I know I can't get Abergris anymore, but how about Civet? I've Googled and found some they say is Civet, but I have my doubts. Do you know of any place where you can purchase true Civet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2003 Report Share Posted October 20, 2003 Hi, This reminds me of the year my high school decided to consider guys going hunting with dads unexcused absences, even with parents' permission. School was closed from a Monday to a Wednesday right after season opening---seems somehow rut scent got all over the school, into the air ducts and everything. Ew...ew....ew...ew... Serra " Cat>^-.-^< " wrote: > Hi Judy: > <snip> > I had even toyed with the idea of using hunter's deer rut (highly diluted of > course), but I can't get it past my nose (just the thought of trying to wash > that stuff off my hands....)! :-Þ > <snip> > Sorry I couldn't be more of a help... > Cat > > > I know I can't get Abergris anymore, but how about Civet? I've Googled and > found some they say is Civet, but I have my doubts. Do you know of any place > where you can purchase true Civet? > > -- Come see us at http://www.angelicprovidence.com Bath Body and Home Scents Website grand opening coming soon, specials running now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2003 Report Share Posted October 20, 2003 For all of you--especially for Cat---skunks are considered " civet cats " ...civet for the malicious odor that they can produce, I suppose...the reason that, or hunting " rut " lasts for so long is the chemical formulations of the pheromones in the spray. They have something that is formulated to last long and smell strong in nature---Also it is extremely oily, and will permeate even the densest material... Last Christmas--a scant two days before a very important business trip, one of my friendly neighborhood skunks came into eat--thru the cat door, and not an unusual occurrence at my house. Well, this was the night that my cats were bored I guess, cuz they chased the little gal into my bedroom, and into my clothes closet...the rest of this nightmare I am sure that you know. I did a lot of research after that, and fond a great company in Georgia that sells a product that will get the smell of anything out of anything....it worked! But alas, it took over 5 months to wash all of my clothes by hand---and some were ruined beyond salvage--interestingly enuf, the cottons were all in pretty bad shape....and lest you think I feel sorry for myself: I get a bunch of new clothes!! Sharon Re: amber/amber paste Hi Judy: To be honest, no I don't. I had been on an elusive search for true musk and ambergris for some years now, but speaking with people who have access to the real thing in museums tell me of their tenacious and putrid odor (even after hundreds of years)! I had even toyed with the idea of using hunter's deer rut (highly diluted of course), but I can't get it past my nose (just the thought of trying to wash that stuff off my hands....)! :-Þ Musk and ambergris involve the slaughter of endangered species, which is why they are illegal in the United States. Harvesting civet does not involve killing, but in order for the animal to produce it (much like a skunk sprays in self-defense), it must be " agitated " (a nice word for tormented and tortured). This usually involves the animals being kept in cages small enough so it can't turn around while it is poked and prodded day after day. Commercial perfumers claim they haven't used the real thing for some time now. I have used a synthetic civet fragrance oil (the smell is " unique " , to put it nicely), but it definitely adds to delicate floral blends when used diluted in a base note. Sorry I couldn't be more of a help... Cat > I know I can't get Abergris anymore, but how about Civet? I've Googled > and found some they say is Civet, but I have my doubts. Do you know of any place where you can purchase true Civet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2003 Report Share Posted October 21, 2003 Thank you everyone for the help. Cat your information will help alot. I will read through everything and visit the website. I do have a friend that buys the amber paste from a Whole Foods store and she uses it in an oil blend for her hair. She loves the smell which got me curious. Thanks again for the help. Clesha > My condolences on the loss of your wardrobe! We also have a profusion of > skunks this time of year producing their delicate perfume.... > Skunk musk is some of the most concentrated in nature. There have even been > experiments using highly-diluted skunk musk (as an alternative to the > prohibitively-expensive tonquin musk) in perfumes, claiming that it produced > a pleasant odor! Thanks, but no thanks.... :-Þ > The trend away from heavy musk-based perfumes directly coincided with the > acceptance of bathing as being hygienic. Lighter, floral-based scents > became popular, although musk, ambergris and to a lesser extent, civet were > still used as " fixatives " (i.e. base notes) in scents. > Later on, as price increased and supply decreased, synthetic alternatives > were developed. These have been the backbone of the commercial perfume > industry ever since. > Recently, the trend seems to be reversing, as natural perfumes are becoming > the style once again using essential oils and absolutes to produce rich, > intense perfumes. Labdanum, benzoin, clary sage and patchouli are used in > place of the animal-based scents. > About 10 years ago, I tried replicating a perfume from the 1500's using only > synthetic fragrance oils. The musk and ambergris completely overpowered the > rose and benzoin, and it was strong enough to scent an entire room (as well > as give me an incredible headache)! Nowadays it hangs in a pomander in my > bedroom, still resonating it's scent, which has mellowed to the point of > being tolerable. > Cat > > > > Last Christmas--a scant two days before a very important business trip, > > one of my friendly neighborhood skunks came into eat--thru the cat door, > > and not an unusual occurrence at my house. Well, this was the night that > > my cats were bored I guess, cuz they chased the little gal into my > > bedroom, and into my clothes closet...the rest of this nightmare I am > > sure that you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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