Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Share Posted December 28, 2001 Mel wrote: <The interesting point also arises as to why " West Africans " excel in these specific running events, but their genetically related cousins from adjacent or distant parts of Africa do not. ..... > This is not a good criticism against Entine's arguments. If I recall, he mentions Kidd's work in a few of his articles. [Note that Entine in one breath compiles lists of what he considers to be " West African " athletes (without as much as a single reference as to the genetic proof thereof) and in the next breath reiterates what Kidd has stated about the huge degree of variation in Africa. His implications about some form of racial purity are questionable and the lumping together of so many West African tribes, when he acknowledges that there is huge variety of race in all parts of Africa. I will find his arguments more compelling when genuine genetic and kinathropometric profiles are constructed for all of those athletes whom he classifies as " West African " (note that he even classifies several " Afro-Americans " in this class, but he knows not a whit about their exact heritage). He has embroided such a crafty tapestry of genuine science and opinion that many people cannot easily distinguish between correlation, causation and association. As I wrote before, this is precisely what von Daniken and Hancock have done in their literary best-selling theories about man coming from outer space. Entine is to racial superiority what Hancock is to pyramidology. Fascinating theory, a jolly good, well referenced read, but very thin on definite proof! Mel Siff] For those not familiar, Kidd's work suggests that in general, there is more genetic diversity in africa than the rest of the world's populations. Some have used Kidd's research (wrongly or rightly) to argue that it may explain the high number of elite athletes that have African heritage. I'm kinda skeptical of this argument but here is one version of it: " Kidd and his colleagues have been taking DNA samples from two African Pygmy tribes in Zaire and the Central African Republic and comparing them with DNA samples taken from populations all over the world. What they have been looking for is variants-subtle differences between the DNA of one person and another-and what they have found is fascinating. " I would say, without a doubt, that in almost any single African population-a tribe or however you want to define it-there is more genetic variation than in all the rest of the world put together, " Kidd told me. In a sample of fifty Pygmies, for example, you might find nine variants in one stretch of DNA. In a sample of hundreds of people from around the rest of the world, you might find only a total of six variants in that same stretch of DNA-and probably every one of those six variants would also be found in the Pygmies. If everyone in the world was wiped out except Africans, in other words, almost all the human genetic diversity would be preserved… There is nothing particularly scary about this fact, and certainly nothing to warrant the kind of gag order on talk of racial differences which is now in place. What it means is that comparing élite athletes of different races tells you very little about the races themselves. A few years ago, for example, a prominent scientist argued for black athletic supremacy by pointing out that there had never been a white Jordan. True. But, as the Yale anthropologist Marks has noted, until recently there was no black Jordan, either. Jordan, like Tiger Woods or Wayne Gretzky or Cal Ripken, is one of the best players in his sport not because he's like the other members of his own ethnic group but precisely because he's not like them-or like anyone else, for that matter. Élite athletes are élite athletes because, in some sense, they are on the fringes of genetic variability. As it happens, African populations seem to create more of these genetic outliers than white populations do, and this is what underpins the claim that blacks are better athletes than whites. But that's all the claim amounts to. It doesn't say anything at all about the rest of us, of all races, muddling around in the genetic middle. http://www.gladwell.com/1997/1997_05_19_a_sports.htm Some references on Kidd's work: http://info.med.yale.edu/genetics/kkidd/point.html http://www.rps.psu.edu/0101/africa.html ----------------------------------------------------------------- Gene 1997 Dec 31;205(1-2):161-71 Nuclear DNA diversity in worldwide distributed human populations. Zietkiewicz E, Yotova V, Jarnik M, Korab-Laskowska M, Kidd KK, Modiano D, Scozzari R, Stoneking M, Tishkoff S, Batzer M, Labuda D. Nucleotide variation was examined in an 8 kb intronic DNA bordering exon 44 of the human dystrophin gene on Xp21. Thirty-six polymorphisms (substitutions, small insertions/deletions and one (T)n microsatellite) were found using SSCP/heteroduplex analysis of DNA samples from mixed Europeans, Papua New Guineans as well as from six African, three Asian and two Amerindian populations. In this way the European bias in the nuclear polymorphism ascertainment has been avoided. In a maximum likelihood tree constructed from the frequency data, Africans clustered separately from the non-African populations. Fifteen polymorphisms were shared among most of the populations compared, whereas 13 sites were found to be endemic to Africans and four to non-Africans. The common sites contributed most to the average heterozygosity (Hn=0.101%+/-0.023), whereas the endemic ones, being rare, had little effect on this estimate. The F(ST) values were lower for Africans (0.072) than for non-Africans (0.158), suggesting a higher level of gene exchange within Africa, corroborating the observation of a greater number of segregating sites on this continent than elsewhere. The data suggest a recent common origin of the African and non-African populations, where a greater geographical isolation of the latter resulted in a smaller number of newly acquired polymorphisms. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Nat Genet 1996 Jun;13(2):154-60 Minisatellite diversity supports a recent African origin for modern humans. Armour JA, Anttinen T, May CA, Vega EE, Sajantila A, Kidd JR, Kidd KK, Bertranpetit J, Paabo S, s AJ. Department of Genetics, University of Leicester, UK. In a study of human diversity at a highly variable locus, we have mapped the internal structures of tandem-repetitive alleles from different populations at the minisatellite MS205 (D16S309). The results give an unusually detailed view of the different allelic structures represented on modern human chromosomes, and of the ancestral relationships between them. There was a clear difference in allelic diversity between African and non-African populations. A restricted set of allele families was found in non-African populations, and formed a subset of the much greater diversity seen on African chromosomes. The data strongly support a recent African origin for modern human diversity at this locus. ----------------------------------------------- Gus Karageorgos Toronto, Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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